posted August 15, 2012 11:53 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
not sure if my chiron is retro but i do have 6 retro planets.

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posted August 16, 2012 11:58 AM            

I tend to think that retrogrades are more expressed "inwardly" like an inner understanding/strength with that planet. Unlike normal planets that express themselves outwardly.

posted August 16, 2012 01:04 PM            

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For a person with Saturn retrograde in the natal chart, intimacy fears are enormous. They may have an easy time connecting with others (depending on other factors in their chart) and could be very friendly and seemingly outgoing, but if you take a closer look you will soon realize that the Saturn retrograde person gets along fabulously with strangers or ‘new’ friends but tends to shut off - castrate - those who grow to love him or her or anyone who gets close enough to notice the fine cracks in the façade the native presents to others. There is a very tender and vulnerable emotional infant lurking within the Saturn retrograde native…this may be a very small aspect of the soul, or it could be a huge part of the personality, but beneath the strongly contained ego that appears to have it all together, there is a child wanting to be loved for who he or she is… an infant wanting to be nurtured and cherished and most of all, understood and appreciated. The fear of not being good enough, not being what is expected, of being weak and vulnerable to others or worse, superseded or totally unneeded by anyone, drives the Soul with Saturn retrograde deeper and deeper into a cocoon of their own making…an isolated and lonely place to be, a stranger in the shadows watching others and wondering why he (or she) feels so horribly alone.

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posted August 16, 2012 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Junethird:
Thats good food for thought. Thank you!!

Yes venus in aries is great to lure and catch your prey lol we go after the apple of our eye without hesitation... I have no problem asking a guy out or dropping obvious clues about coffee/dinner etc iam very bad at playing hard to get when iam interested in someone lol but once i have him in my clutches i crumble... I guess sabotage is a better word. Having it fall in my 12H paralyzes me going forward to cement a relationship... Most of my bfs have not labeled our relationship and gone with the flow. The official labelling, defining a relationship/status is my achilles heal ... This is all very interesting. I was just telling my mother how i was so surprised that i was the one that got cold feet... When i thought it would be more him than i. Mmmm... Its interesting that all my marriage predictions are later in life... 36/38. Lots to think about!!!

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posted August 16, 2012 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I forgot. I have Chiron Retro, too.

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@Ami,

What sign and house is your chiron in? And how do you feel it manifesting in your life?

I have my chiron direct in Taurus conjnct my ASC and i was reading that:

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Chiron in the 1st house: Chiron here can make you like a knight in shining armor, always ready to fight for the underdog. Usually, while you are doing this, you are neglecting yourself. You could also be a wise councilor (especially in health matters) but you seem to have trouble taking your own advice. A 1st house Chiron can be a gifted teacher, and, of course, you can teach others how to do something better than you can do it yourself. A neat trick to get around this: Give yourself advice as if you were someone else. Then maybe you will take it...

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posted August 16, 2012 02:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
JuneThird, this is my first time coming across this interpretation of natal Saturn retro, and I have to say that it fits perfectly a couple of people that I know who have this aspect.

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posted August 16, 2012 02:42 PM            

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Originally posted by TheManticore:
I have 3 planets in retrograde, Saturn, Neptune, and Uranus. They are all also conjunct in Capricorn 11th house.

I tend to think that retrogrades are more expressed "inwardly" like an inner understanding/strength with that planet. Unlike normal planets that express themselves outwardly.

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@Manticore,

I have neptune and uranus retro aswell...

How do you feel your retro planets in your personality/life?

posted August 16, 2012 02:48 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Saturn Rx in Pisces, H3. Trine two of my personal planets, square my ASC/Descendant.

Saturn always makes me disciplined and thoughtful. But since it's in the 3rd house, in areas like academics and getting good grades, I am INCREDIBLY hard on myself. Sometimes the pain of imagining failing is so great, I often give up before I even try or start something... since it's just easier in my head, to not try than to be failed. I absolutely hate how seriously I take school and the anxiety it causes me has made me very tempted to drop out numerous times. It's that horrible for me.

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@sweet scorpion,

Ouch that really bites what sign is your saturn in? Mercury? School wise, Ive never been hard on myself and other than that dreaded math class, the horror, my mercury in gemini trines my retro saturn in libra... School always came easy for me and i was on auto pilot all thru uni.

posted August 16, 2012 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by crissyx89:
Yes Aries are very aggressive my ASC is Aries so I can Kinda relate.Sometimes I guess its easier to catch a guy than keep em in your case.I think your saturn/venus is causing this making you feel unworthy of love.So you pull away and crumble under pressure.36/38 oh well if that's the age your ready for marriage ain't nothing wrong with that.With most marriages ending in divorce nowadays gotta make sure you marry the one.

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posted August 16, 2012 03:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Junethird:
@everyone,

If saturn retrograde means instability, insecurities of ones decisions/ability/resources etc working against you... does saturn direct mean the opposite? Stability? Working for you?

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Saturn is hard in that it is discipline, persistence and working slowly toward goals.

Direct makes it easier and more straight forward.
Retro makes you have to go deeply into the understanding of the planet before you can learn it's lessons. However, I think you will be rewarded with MORE maturity and depth, as a result of any of the Retros.

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posted August 16, 2012 04:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Saturn is hard in that it is discipline, persistence and working slowly toward goals.

Direct makes it easier and more straight forward.
Retro makes you have to go deeply into the understanding of the planet before you can learn it's lessons. However, I think you will be rewarded with MORE maturity and depth, as a result of any of the Retros.

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posted August 16, 2012 04:23 PM            

Retro merc makes you think really deeply about things. Then, you can come to unusual and unique conclusions.

Retro Neptune makes you search for God in a deep way.

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posted August 16, 2012 04:34 PM            

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June
I actually like my retro Merc and Neptune. Chiron and Saturn, I could do without

Retro merc makes you think really deeply about things. Then, you can come to unusual and unique conclusions.

Retro Neptune makes you search for God in a deep way.

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@Ami,

Thank you for the feedback.. Always so helpful and clear

I havent delved much into my retro neptune yet, but i can def see in myself looking for a higher meaning purpose to life....

And retro mercury yes, i try to look things from def perspectivves... Having it in gemini helps with mental blocks and closed minded ideas/thoughts.

posted August 16, 2012 06:30 PM            

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@sweet scorpion,

Ouch that really bites what sign is your saturn in? Mercury? School wise, Ive never been hard on myself and other than that dreaded math class, the horror, my mercury in gemini trines my retro saturn in libra... School always came easy for me and i was on auto pilot all thru uni.

Dont drop out tho. Its worth it to stick by it...

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No, it's in Pisces... but lo and behold, trines my Scorp Mercury in the 11th. UGH UGH UGH

I just get frustrated with myself easily. I was bullied a lot in school too, and my anxiety became so horrible I had to be home schooled at one point. I just don't see the point of going to school anymore... but I force myself to since I know my family is counting on me. The only reason why I even consider not going is because I'm a very talented writer and I'm working on getting an agent for a book deal in the future right now, so I have a very good sense that my natural talent can support me in some way. It's very tempting to give into the urge but I'll probably go onto learn something like foreign affairs in college since that's something I can actually benefit from....

posted August 16, 2012 06:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Junethird:
@everyone,

If saturn retrograde means instability, insecurities of ones decisions/ability/resources etc working against you... does saturn direct mean the opposite? Stability? Working for you?

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posted August 16, 2012 06:38 PM            

Well for starters they do create for quite a confusing equation in my 11th house...

I would describe them like this...

With uranus in the 11th I feel a very inner urge to be different and rebel from groups/society, and maintain my independence, but I don't actually come out externally and tell people that.

With neptune in the 11th I have a lot of ideals/dreams of what kind of friends/humanity structure I want or could create in my life. I don't actually tend to bring them out or discuss them though.

I believe they are just difficult to manifest in an outward fashion because they are working so internally, maybe in such an unconscious kind of way that it may be difficult to identify the behaviors tangibly.

I personally don't believe any placement is just ALL BAD, there has to be an up side to it. Nothing can exist without a contrast.

Also, with your chiron in the 1st... Interesting placement, would you say that trying to do things yourself is painful? But you encourage and can help others to be independent?

BTW My mercury is also trine my retro saturn/neptune, as well as my mars trine my retro uranus .

posted August 16, 2012 06:39 PM            

I hate Chiron Rettro
I suppose one has to stew in pain. Chiron allows us to use our pain to heal others, although we can never really heal in the house in which Chiron resides imo

I am forced to understand the inner workings of pain. However, I am able to bring a soothing touch to many people, as they do say this to me.

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posted August 16, 2012 06:41 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
No, it's in Pisces... but lo and behold, trines my Scorp Mercury in the 11th. UGH UGH UGH

I just get frustrated with myself easily. I was bullied a lot in school too, and my anxiety became so horrible I had to be home schooled at one point. I just don't see the point of going to school anymore... but I force myself to since I know my family is counting on me. The only reason why I even consider not going is because I'm a very talented writer and I'm working on getting an agent for a book deal in the future right now, so I have a very good sense that my natural talent can support me in some way. It's very tempting to give into the urge but I'll probably go onto learn something like foreign affairs in college since that's something I can actually benefit from....

Anyway, I'm glad you did OK with school despite having Saturn-Mercury too.

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University/college is so much better than highschool... With the help of you academic advisor you can create a balanced semester. I loved uni so much better. Loved the freedom to let my mind explore and focus on courses i really enjoyed. Good luck with your writting. If anything you can always go the self publishing route.

posted August 16, 2012 07:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Junethird:
We tie for the most retros i have six too. Not including a few key asteroids like retrograde juno in capricorn.

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posted August 16, 2012 07:15 PM            

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@Junethird

Well for starters they do create for quite a confusing equation in my 11th house...

I would describe them like this...

With uranus in the 11th I feel a very inner urge to be different and rebel from groups/society, and maintain my independence, but I don't actually come out externally and tell people that.

With neptune in the 11th I have a lot of ideals/dreams of what kind of friends/humanity structure I want or could create in my life. I don't actually tend to bring them out or discuss them though.

I believe they are just difficult to manifest in an outward fashion because they are working so internally, maybe in such an unconscious kind of way that it may be difficult to identify the behaviors tangibly.

I personally don't believe any placement is just ALL BAD, there has to be an up side to it. Nothing can exist without a contrast.

Also, with your chiron in the 1st... Interesting placement, would you say that trying to do things yourself is painful? But you encourage and can help others to be independent?

BTW My mercury is also trine my retro saturn/neptune, as well as my mars trine my retro uranus .

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@Manticore,

Very interesting... My retro uranus and neptune are in sag 8/7H... Still trying to find the common ground with my life/personality...

But retro neptune sag7H maybe looking for a spiritual meaning bond with my partner?

As for my direct chiron on my taurus ASC iam not sure either. Iam very independant. I prefer to do things for myself, that way its done right and in a timely fashion maybe chiron's lessson is to let others help me more?

But you are right that i like to pep and encourage people along in their dreams/journey. Iam a great cheerleader /sponsor but wouldnt that correspond better to chiron 3H?

posted August 16, 2012 08:37 PM            

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@crissyx89,

Aries is headstrong, the muscle lol... Ive been trying to dissect my relationship with my ex vs my "current" love... My ex and i had some good aspects. His sun conjunct my sun and trined my mars, His asc conjunct my moon, his mars conjunct my sun. his moon trined my moon. His asc/venus trined my venus... but it still flopped. I wonder if astrologically it was due to his retro saturn and 5 retro planets aswell.. How do you see your aries asc play out for you in love?

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sun conjunct sun moon conjunct asc sounds like soulmate aspects.Whoa you and your ex's relationship sounded intense.Have you pulled up your composite?Because me and my ex also had amazing synastry but then our composite chart kinda not so good.

posted August 17, 2012 10:48 AM            

With Chiron it really depends how "far along" the person is in the process of coping with it in determining their behavior and manifestation of it. Like if they are more in the early stages and they are focusing on being wounded, or the later stages where they are kind of "owning" it and begin using it to heal others. Of course it is also possible to be somewhere in the middle where I think most people are, doing both . I agree with Ami Anne that you can never fully "heal" your Chiron wound, but you wouldn't want to as then you would lose all that healing power .

You may not give yourself enough credit for your actions, especially in the area of Taurus things. So yeah it is very likely that you won't let others "help" you or maybe even give you credit? Whereas you easily give others credit and acknowledge their deeds?

Sorry about your friend .