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Ceridwen
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posted August 16, 2012 06:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it got such a bad rap, that house, but I was surprised to find it quite often,s o I thought I`d look at more couples with 12th house composite placements.

This is what I found


My eldest friend and me:
Moon in Pisces in 12th house
(Moon rules 5th house)

her husband and her:
Moon in Pisces in 12th house
(Moon rulers IC)

another friend and me:
Jupiter, ruler of MC and ASC, in Pisces in 12th house

my parents:
Moon in Cancer in 12th house
(Moon rules 12th house)

some celebrity composites:

Antonio Banderas - Melanie Griffith
Moon in Pisces in 12th house
(Moon rules IC)

Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett Browning:
NN in Scorpio in 12th (conjunct ASC)

Paul Mc Cartney - Linda Mc Cartney:
Moon in Libra in 12th house conjunct Neptune in Virgo in 12th house
(Moon rules MC)

Pierre and Marie Curie:
Moon in Capricorn in 12th house
(Moon rules DESC )

Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson
Neptune in 12th house (but conj. ASC), - Neptune rules 5th house)


Sri Aurobindo - Mira Richard:
Sun, Venus, Mars in 12th house
(Venus rules 5th and 12th)


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vickymadness
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posted August 16, 2012 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vickymadness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a composite venus in 12H with someone ... the love runs deep but it's very clouded and vague. we weren't fully aware of each others' love, we just felt it ... by time it gets very frustrating

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Ceridwen
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posted August 16, 2012 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I could imagine that.

What aspects did Venus have, and in what houses (Placidus) did the aspecting planets fall?

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posted August 16, 2012 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vickymadness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
venus in pisces 12H, trine pluto ,and sextile neptune/uranus
(all orbits are less than 5)

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posted August 16, 2012 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
12th house positions with aspects:

My eldest friend and me:
Moon in Pisces in 12th house
(Moon rules 5th house)

- square Neptune in 9th (6)
- square MC (4)
- sesisquare Saturn in 5th (2)
- sesisquare uranus in 8th (2)
- trine Venus and NN in Scorpio in 9th (6-7)
- trine Mercury in Scorpio in 8th exact

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her husband and her:
Moon in Pisces in 12th house
(Moon rulers IC)

- square Neptune in 8th (4)
- trine IC (5)
- trine Sun in Scorpio in 8th exact
- trine NN in Scorpio in 7th (3)


another friend and me:
Jupiter, ruler of MC and ASC, in Pisces in 12th house

- semisquare MOon in Aries in 2nd (1)
- sextile Mercury in Cap in 11th (5)
- square MC (6)


my parents:
Moon in Cancer in 12th house
(Moon rules 12th house)

- sesisquare Venus in Sag in 4th/ 5th (1)
- trine Jupiter in Pisces in 8th (6)
- conjunct Uranus in 11th (7) - very wide
- square Neptune in 3rd (4)

you would think they constantly misunderstood each other and were communicating vaguely, confusingly or not at all, right?
Not so.
I have never seen any other couple who is enjoying talking to eadch other so much and doing it all the time. lol


some celebrity composites:

Antonio Banderas - Melanie Griffith
Moon in Pisces in 12th house
(Moon rules IC)
- opposite Venus in Virgo in 6th (1)
- trine Mars in Cancer in 4th (7)
- trine Jupiter in Scorpio in 7th (1)
- trine IC in Cancer

Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett Browning:
NN in Scorpio in 12th (conjunct ASC)
- sextile Moon in Cap in 2nd (3)
- conjunct Uranus on the ASC (3)


Paul Mc Cartney - Linda Mc Cartney:
Moon in Libra in 12th house conjunct Neptune in Virgo in 12th house
(Moon rules MC)

- semisquare Venus in Leo in 10th (2)
- trine Saturn and Uranus in Gem in 8th (1)
- conjunczt Neptune in 12th
- sextile Pluto in Leo in 10th


Pierre and Marie Curie:
Moon in Capricorn in 12th house
(Moon rules DESC )
- trine Mars in Virgo in 8th (2)
- square Saturn in Libra in 8th (7)
- square Neptune in Aries in 3rd (4)
- trine Pluto in Taurus in 4th (3)
- trine IC in TZaurus (4)


Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson
Neptune in 12th house (but conj. ASC), - Neptune rules 5th house)


Sri Aurobindo - Mira Richard:
Sun, Venus, Mars in 12th house
(Venus rules 5th and 12th)
Sun-VEnus opposite Moon-Mercury
Sun conjunct Pluto
Venus-Pluto is out of orb with 9 degrees

Venus semisquare NN in Aries in 10th exact


Mars sesisquare Jupiter in SCorpio in 5th (1)
Mars trine Saturn in 8th (2)
Mars sextile Uranus in 2nd (5)
Mars square Pisces MC (1)


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posted August 16, 2012 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vickymadness:
venus in pisces 12H, trine pluto ,and sextile neptune/uranus
(all orbits are less than 5)

Maybe a 12th house planet needs more connections to personal planets or the angles, to come to awareness?

Though the aspects you had look so beautiful in a spiritual sense.

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posted August 16, 2012 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Checking Davison:

Aurobindo- Richard:
Mercury in Gemini in 12th


me and my eldest friend:
no 12th house planets


her and her husband:
no 12th houe planets


me and the other friend:
Sun in 12th house

her and her man:
uranus, Pluto in 12th (but no personals)


Banderas - Griffith:
exact Moon-Venus-conjunction on 11 Pisces in 12th house.


the Brownings:
NN and Uranus in 12th house, though Uranus conjunct ASC


Newman:
Mercury and Pluto in 12th house


Olivier - Leigh:
Saturn and NN in 12th


Mc Cartney:
Moon-Neptune conjunction exact on 29 Virgo in 12th house


Curie:
Sun in 12th but conjunct ASC

Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson:
Leo Venus in 12th


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posted August 16, 2012 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vickymadness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Maybe a 12th house planet needs more connections to personal planets or the angles, to come to awareness?

Though the aspects you had look so beautiful in a spiritual sense.


the Venus conjuncts sun as well, I overlooked that.

There wasn't a time when our relationship was official, we never talked about it.

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posted August 16, 2012 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vickymadness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as for the moon , don't you think 12H is a good place to be in ?

what's your favorite composite house for the moon ?

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posted August 16, 2012 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixFire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What energies do you think a 12 th house c Saturn would have as ruler of the 4th?


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posted August 17, 2012 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vickymadness:
as for the moon , don't you think 12H is a good place to be in ?

what's your favorite composite house for the moon ?


I never thought about a favourite placement for composite Moon. but I guess in 7th or 1st house could be nice, given the Moon is unafflicted.
Of course then you will always have the emotions on the surface (not in superficial, but in: they are triggered all the time).

Anyway, most astrologers seem to think Moon in 12th house is a REAL bad placement, though some of the couples I mentioned seemed to have made the best of it.


Personally I think that a water planet in a water house might not really be that bad in general. BUT the emotions might reach very very deep, and in the 12th house maybe you can choose to ignore them, not even being aware of HOW deeply involved you are emotionally, UNTIL that fateful day some of the biggie transits passes by and said: Hey, look there, there is a Moon hiding in the shadows, big and round, and yet these two people somehow manage to not even notice her existnce. Shall we give it a little push?
Let`s see how they are going to deal with THAT, considering they always thought all they ever had was a friendship-vibe or work relationship.

But no matter if aware or not, the emotions are right there, with Moon or even Venus in 12th house, or ruler of 4th or 8th in 12th house.
Seeing that the 12th house relates to past lives (as it is the pre-natal house, as we are being born on the ASC), it might also have some karmic implications; maybe pointing to an emotional connection from the past.

Actually I recently started thinking about comparing the Draco composite to the tropical composite, for the spots where either past life stuff comes up, or a deeper spiritual soullevel is triggered.

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posted August 17, 2012 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It depends of course what Satur is doing in the chart, in which sign it falls and which aspects it has.

But generally speaking, it speaks of a deep spiritual serious connection.
SAturn usually tries to keep boundaries intact, but he might have some difficulties to do that in the 12th house. There might be an inherent conflict between simply flowing into and with the spiritual/ emotional connection and trying to maintain a bit of boundaries at least.

Maybe the participants are not really sure about their commitment and responsibility for this relationship. As sometimes 12th house planets seem to disappear, but they are there and they make themselves felt, just sometimes people are not so aware, until something triggers it.
they might be surprised if they realize how committed they really are to each other and how hard it is to let go, even though consciously they maybe thought it would be easier.

Also, SAturn in 12th house could denote something karmic, as the karmic planet is in the house of past lives and subconscious processes.


But of course you have to take the whole chart into account. This is just one little piece, and what I described here, is just a basic composing of two or three puzzle-pieces.

EDIT:
Also, conjunctions/ oppositions of composite planets (especially in the 12th house) to natal planets (within 3 or 4 degrees) are very important, and can show who or how people are aware of what is hapening "behind the scenes".

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posted August 20, 2012 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All the planets between me and my kids father fall in the 12th house except the moon (10th house), jupiter (2nd house), pluto (11th house) , and Saturn is in the 11th house, however it's conjunct mercury, which is in the 12th.

7 years and 2 kids. We were serious and together since months after we met. We moved in together and even though right now we are "fighting" we are still living together. He's a wonderful father and very, very loyal. He's Pisces and I'm Virgo. We were never unfaithful in real life, but we did give each other room and freedom (online flirting, etc..it was a mutual and open thing).

I have no regrets or complaints about him because even after I do whatever I do, he forgets about it and we're back like best of friends and just taking care of our responsibilities. He's very responsible, but his head is in the clouds when it comes to romance and feelings of love (typical Pisces).

The bad thing is that I pick up on his emotions. Often when we are together and he's just around (after years) I start feeling down, depressed, it's a draaaggg , but I have always suffered from depression. In fact when we first met I was on heavy medication and had just gotten out of the hospital.

I don't know, but our feelings are too intertwined. I feel like his emotions stick to me, well to each other and it's miserable..it's a miserable feeling. We both feel caged, trapped, but we want to be together..we need lots of space..time out..etc..

It's heavy. A lot of sacrifices and hard work is required along with maturity. I will be back on my meds soon and we are on a break, but we still live together. He takes care of everything..It's too much for him because it seems like he shoulders everthing due to my horrible depression and overall problems. I honestly don't know why he still sticks with me because I don't think anyone can deal with this! It's no fun for him for the most part. I feel horirible, but I will get the help needed and hopefully I will be back on track.

That's my honest insight

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