posted August 26, 2012 07:41 PM            

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Originally posted by ShadowLeo:
"Aspects in Astrology" by Sue Tompkins... One of the books closest to my heart, LOL.
Venus is at 19 degrees 14 minutes Leo; Neptune is at 17 degrees 47 minutes Sagittarius.

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I am absolutely in love with that book! How wonderful that you have found it! Revealed so many things about myself and my upbringing and helped to me to see how exactly my personality was created by all the events in my life. I've always recommended this book. It's one of the best imo.

posted August 26, 2012 07:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
@ras
I'm not sure if u remember, I have most of that with fishy..
It's so hard to deal with...
It's still not easy, yet the desire is so strong..
It's very hard to let go, even though I know it's for the best.

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Lioness, I know, I do remember actually. I'm sorry honey...

posted August 26, 2012 08:01 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Violet, the second composite looks lovely. Love stellium with sun opposite pluto fits the pattern.

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Thanks for your input RAS. You might have more knowledge synastry wise, what does a composite sun opposite pluto imply about the two people? And only if you do not mind, do you see any major obstacles in that compo? or moreover, whats would say these two peoples relationship is like?

posted August 26, 2012 08:08 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Lioness, I know, I do remember actually. I'm sorry honey...

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posted August 26, 2012 08:12 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
For your second longest relationship, you mightve had composite sun semisextile, semisquare or sesquiquadrate venus to make the love stellium

None of those fit the pattern i described for long-term relationships, though. If pluto squares the entire stellium, like i described in my post, it can go good, it can go bad. Moon square saturn AND uranus is certainly not good. If you had one of the pluto aspects or moon/venus squares i described it wouldve lasted longer i think. [b]And, DW moon/mars is never a good thing. Strong sexual attraction, but many arguments, and very painful, even though it's so passionate. Think of the aries and cancer relationship.

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Exactly. Even with a "love stellium", strong synastry aspects are not trumped.

posted August 26, 2012 08:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
[b] Lioness, I know, I do remember actually. I'm sorry honey...

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I wonder how he would take you for granted knowing how much you loved each other.

posted August 26, 2012 08:15 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Exactly. Even with a "love stellium", strong synastry aspects are not trumped.

And even with a "love stellium," some stuff just doesn't work out.

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yeah just having the love stellium wont fix everything. i never said it would. you need to have some of the other stuff going on that i mentioned in the second half of my post

posted August 26, 2012 08:21 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
I wonder how he would take you for granted knowing how much you loved each other.

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posted August 26, 2012 08:22 PM            

Moon square uranus...on and off relationship. You dont keep in contact as much as you should.

Sun square pluto is extremely powerful...
in certain cases with bad synastry it can indicate an unsavory relationship with power struggles and emotional abuse. but most of the time it is very strongly felt and will touch your depths. your eye contact, for one, speaks volumes, and is very powerful!

However, this doesnt look like a relationship where u think the other is the one. Not with the love stellium being afflicted by saturn. However, because of pluto it is still transforming and a very important relationship

posted August 26, 2012 08:26 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
violet, the stellium is opposite saturn. Awkward silences...you guys can also be too serious together.

Moon square uranus...on and off relationship. You dont keep in contact as much as you should.

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Thank you RAS, you are very right with some of that.

posted August 27, 2012 06:21 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
violet, the stellium is opposite saturn. Awkward silences...you guys can also be too serious together.

Moon square uranus...on and off relationship. You dont keep in contact as much as you should.

Sun square pluto is extremely powerful...
in certain cases with bad synastry it can indicate an unsavory relationship with power struggles and emotional abuse. but most of the time it is very strongly felt and will touch your depths. your eye contact, for one, speaks volumes, and is very powerful!

However, this doesnt look like a relationship where u think the other is the one. Not with the love stellium being afflicted by saturn. However, because of pluto it is still transforming and a very important relationship

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RAS,

we have these two things for sure. That there is a seriousness and a very evident, powerful intensity.

The seriousness is felt in the way that (at least for me) if we are going to be, we are going to be the best we can be. As if there is anything i would put my best all in, it would be this. Which makes me look at him or what ever we have between us in a very respectful way. Like it is sacred.

And the intensity on the energy flow between is as you say. Eye contact is enough to understand each other always.

posted September 09, 2012 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
In the Composite: (1-5)

1. ALL PLANETS CONJUNCT with LOVE STELLIUM in composite --ideal ideal ideal. A feeling of being one person. soulmates! (IDEAL)

2. ALL PLANETS CONJUNCT in composite, NO love stellium. Still a strong soulmate feeling. but with the love stellium there it would be nicer (2nd BEST)

3. love stellium (sun conjunct mercury conjunct venus) even 12 degrees apart is ok, also sun opposite mercury, sun opposite venus, sun semisextile/semisquare venus is the same as conjunction. (THIRD BEST)

4. sun (conjunct/opposite/semisextile/semisquare/sesquiquadrate) venus in composite (RELATIVELY STRONG) <--reason is b/c when it comes to composite sun-venus and sun-mercury all those aspects are interpreted the same as the conjunction.

5. sun conjunct jupiter in composite (RELATIVELY STRONG)

ONE or ALL of the above with a combination of one or all of the following (ONE of the below MUST be present for the realationship to last imo):

1. moon square/opp/sesquiquadrate/semisquare venus in either synastry OR composite with venus aspecting pluto in the composite. (Venus trine pluto is ideal for the least power games). Both aspects must be present, for the strong feelings, though.

2. Either the above setup, or sun conjunct/square/opp/sesquiquadrate/semisquare (all the hard aspects) pluto with moon in negative aspect to venus in synastry or composite being optional (will make feelings stronger if the love stellium is lacking)

3. This one is an alternative to number 2. The moon aspecting pluto in composite is described to cause very strong feelings. It's true in my experience and from looking at charts. Even the sextile will be felt very strongly. It is a very favorable thing to have. Any of the components listed above will only be enhanced by this in the composite.

4. Double whammies. Double whammies, otherwise referred to as DW or mutual aspects, will describe the general theme of the relationship singlehandedly, and can only occur in synastry. The important double whammies from my experience, are Sun-Neptune, Sun-Moon, Mars-Pluto, Mercury-Pluto, Moon (square or other hard aspect) Venus, Sun-Pluto, Sun-Jupiter, Venus-Jupiter, Sun-Venus, Venus-Pluto (MOST LIFECHANGING), Moon-Pluto, Moon-Neptune, and any planet mutually aspecting the ascendant (SECOND-MOST LIFECHANGING). Saturn Double Whammies and Uranus Double Whammies are not favorable, ever. Moon-Jupiter DW are also not very favorable since it causes wasteful risk-taking behavior and disorganized plans. I will list some Double Whammy descriptions from Grupovenus.com's compatibility reports at the bottom of this post.

On top of all of this, I would add lots of composite trines or sextiles of the moon with neptune, saturn, and uranus.

The first five configurations give a sense of purpose to the sun which is the identity of the relationship. It will keep the relationship strong. Jupiter and Venus are the feel good planets of astrology. The second group are the intense pluto aspects which give intensity and depth. It would be hard to let go of that person. Moon in negative aspect to venus whether in composite or synastry always seems to give the same effect: a tremendous feeling of tenderness, and an urge to get together immediately. The square would be most potent, since squares cause obsession. The trines of the moon to the outer planets are because the moon is the emotional needs of both people in the relationship. If the moon is well aspected, there is a strong feeling of security and trust that is hard to let go of. That's why it is very important the moon is not afflicted. Also neptune in good aspect to the moon means you feel you can communicate without words, and it's a connection of body movements and facial expressions first and foremost, which is very romantic and ideal. Too much neptune is not good because the relationship will become platonic instead of sexual. Too much saturn is not good (even trines), because the relationship will feel dry and all work and no play.

Afflictions of the moon to outer planets (other than pluto) come out in the long run... but they usually lead to a break up. It is very hard. Sun afflicted by saturn is not as terrible as having it afflicted by all three other planets (except pluto..imo sun sq pluto is good). It is still not great, but passable. When the sun is afflicted by all three outer planets, there will be many arguments. Maybe even abuse. It will be hard to be happy together. Having a stellium of planets all afflicted by pluto I am not positive about yet. It could go okay, it could go bad..but always one person will end up feeling used by the other. It will be intense and there could be abuse.

LOOK IN MY SIGNATURE FOR CHART EXAMPLES OF REAL RELATIONSHIPS AND THE PATTERNS I NOTED ABOVE Click 'Past Readings'

Oh, I forgot. This doesn't fit into the equation/formula described above, but ideally, ideally, I would have Mutual Venus-pluto aspects in synastry, no more than 2'45 degrees wide, with the love stellium in composite and with composite planets all conjunct. Mutual venus-pluto aspects in synastry with the love stellium...is..the one true love of your life, most likely. Unfortunately certain synastry must also be present. Too detailed to go into here and I've already posted enough .

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I just found this thread and I am really impressed by this !!!
I never paid too much attention to composite charts mainly because I remembered reading that composite chart aspects didn't matter a lot and that house placements wee more important (thus it requires the time of birth, which I don't have in most case).

Thank you a lot for this post. I find it very enlightening.

I have some questions though, if you don't mind, would you consider venus semisextile sun with mercury on the sun/venus midpoint to be a love stellium? Also are there any orbs to be applied to those ? I guess the tighter the better, but for venus trine pluto or moon square venus, which orb would you allow?

And finally, this is one question I've always been wondering, do two people have to be in a relationship for the composite o manifest itself, or is it at work for example between two people that just know each other but don't interact a lot?

posted September 09, 2012 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Lazyscarecrow:
I know everybody does not like the same stuff. Thanks guys.

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And this is the point right here. Because some will say that a chart full of trines is horrible and that a chart full of hard aspects will make things exciting - then you'll have the ones who like the all-trine charts and clutch the pearls at one full of squares...

Then you'll get the people who get all worked up about which houses are tenanted in the composite...and either wax rhapsodic or tell you it's doomed based on their own personal biases...

The simple fact of the matter is that you never know how two people are going to respond to and interact with one another. I think that's one of those few areas where astrology is useless, because I've seen people with great composites who hate each other, people with horrible ones who will make you puke because they're all over each other...people with good composites that do great together; people with crappy ones who hate each other.

posted September 09, 2012 06:58 PM            

For the person who asked, Look at the Q&A link in my signature, it should answer your question. Yes to the question about that being a love stellium, And also the composite is felt just like synastry, but it seems to show more your feelings about a person rather than your actual chemistry perhaps. How well you MERGE together, and feel complete with each other, is a good way to put it. But that idea about the composite only being felt later is a myth. It's felt right away just like synastry and it is well known that it is, as written in various astrology report sites. Don't be surprised to find yourself feeling love at first sight if you have a good composite with someone, especially a love stellium with some pluto.

posted September 09, 2012 07:42 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:

For the person who asked, Look at the Q&A link in my signature, it should answer your question. Yes to the question about that being a love stellium, And also the composite is felt just like synastry, but it seems to show more your feelings about a person rather than your actual chemistry perhaps. How well you MERGE together, and feel complete with each other, is a good way to put it. But that idea about the composite only being felt later is a myth. It's felt right away just like synastry and it is well known that it is, as written in various astrology report sites. Don't be surprised to find yourself feeling love at first sight if you have a good composite with someone, especially a love stellium with some pluto.

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Thanks, this is really enlightening to me. I had been head over heels for the past years and I couldn't figure out why my feelings towards him were so strong (which just drove me even more insane) There was some aspects in synastry such as saturn aspects, nodes aspects and venus-pluto, moon- pluto that could explain to an extent but I had a hard time accepting it was only this (especially because he has the venus-moon-pluto natally) and especially the synastry has no personal to personal significant aspects except for sun-sun square and mercury-mercury square. Yet with your explanation it just makes perfect sense, since in the composite chart venus semisextile sun with mercury sitting on their midpoint, moon square venus (and square mars), venus trine pluto and sun square pluto. The orbs are rather wide but still I felt it.

posted September 09, 2012 09:36 PM            

I just finished doing 4 readings in this thread, and 2 out of four had the love stellium, the other two had a combination of the aspects I mentioned in the thread (which were not sufficient, because the synastry was bad or they were afflicted in the composite)
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/004168.html

posted September 10, 2012 04:33 PM            

I also say this a lot--->composite trumps synastry.
It's what holds the relationship together and shows whether it will last. Despite terrible synastry or even having only 2 or 3 synastry aspects, a solid composite will make a relationship, and most importantly, your feelings last. Indeed, it lasts, because a solid composite means your feelings about each other aren't going to go away. Many people say saturn is what makes relationships last but not in my opinion. Saturn gives trust. But what shows whether two people will stay in touch is the composite.

posted September 10, 2012 10:48 PM            

I like Sun/moon trine Pluto in composite.
My close friends or meaningful relationship usually have a significant pluto in our composite chart.

However, I don't like sun-pluto hard aspect in composite!!
Yes it is intense, indeed. But full of too much manipulation, I doubt if people with composite sun-pluto hard aspect mistake obsession or control as some kind of love. Eachtime I have a composite sun-pluto square, it started with passion pretty soon, then suspicious, manipulation, then I am sick of it. It's disgusting and I just ignored the relationship. That is NOT love/hate thing.
A composite sun-pluto trine will still give me the deep touched ,inspired, transformation feeling within a decent, comfortable distance which may keep our relationship longer and healthier. Trine is mild though, if Sun or Pluto in water house or conj. axis would be better.