posted August 30, 2012 12:05 PM            

I am fascinated with attraction and passion in the natal chart and with synastry. I know there are several factors, but I'm studying at the moment the affects of Venus Pluto both natally and with synastry.

1. I want to know how having it natally has played out in your life if you have this aspect.

2. If you have it with others, what has it felt like?

And of course rulers of the Venus (taurus/libra) and Pluto(scorpio) in aspect to eachother could cause the same dynamic I believe??? (Still learning! )

I'll go first...I have Venus semisquare Pluto (1 degree orb) and know I can have the fear of losing the person I am with - really I'm just talking about my husband. So in my mind, I will sometimes "try" to gain control (Pluto) over the romantic feelings (Venus) and passion that I have for the person. It doesn't always feel good to feel so much for someone. And this can be in friendships too. I have "fear" that they might disappear. And sometimes, I will use my sexuality with my partner to "woo" them back in if I think they may not be giving me the attention I need. What I often find though is that this is all in my head. The person is quite present to me and my fear is causing me to "think" things are off when they are not.

My husband has Venus sextile Pluto (6 degree orb) and this aspect being so much softer and playful for him.

Together we have Venus sextile Pluto...Softer easier aspect and helps out our relationship with passion, but I think my aspect gets caught up in the mix a lot and makes it less easy going than it could be.

posted August 30, 2012 12:42 PM            

I have Venus conjunct Pluto natally in Scorpio, 8th house. I have an extremely hard time with it sometimes, sometimes it's easier. I find that although I am a heavy, secretive, sexual person upon first meeting someone I am interested in, it gets worse the longer a relationship lasts and the stronger the bond gets. The more insecure I get. The more worried, jealous, obsessive, paranoid that things won't work out between us, that my partner is cheating although everything points to the contrary. I can make myself sick with imaginary worry. I don't usually play games to "test," but I have been there in the past. I just obsess in my own head. Occasionally I let my boyfriend know what I'm feeling, but I try not to do it often because I know it's not healthy for a strong relationship. I'm looking for advice, really, on how to manifest this energy in a more positive way.

I also think that this aspect makes you attracted to really getting to know people and have relationships that are genuine, deeeeep, not superficial. I can have superficial relationships but I prefer ones that are emotionally potent and psychologically fulfilling. I have darker interests, too. I like the darker side of things. I hate things that are cutesy.

In synastry I've this aspect in almost all of my serious relationships. Venus quincunx my V/P, Venus square my V/P, and right now it's Venus conjunct my V/P. Similar themes play out, although with Venus square my V/P I was apt to play games and manipulate my ex, even when I was seriously done with him I strung him along. We expressed affection and love in different ways and it frustrated me. He still can't get over me years later. Now we are friends, but he still is obviously attracted, if not still in some sort of lust/love with me. I think V/P relationships are not the kind that are easily forgotten.

With my current bf, his Venus in Scorpio conjuncts my V/P. Natally, he has Venus conjunct uranus and I don't know if he's used to this dynamic (pluto). Although his Venus depositer is Pluto, it's in Libra, which maybe makes the Pluto a bit less intense than your typical Venus in Scorpio. His Venus is also in the 11th house. I think he has Scorpio-Venus tendencies that he hasn't had to deal until he met me. He has told me multiple times the kinds of emotions he feels for me border on obsession. he finds it frightening. I am used to it, because I have it so potently in the natal, but that doesn't mean I like it. I am not playing games with him or anything, but like I said earlier, I obsess about the potential of him betraying me, or losing this relationship. And I don't know how to stop it!

posted August 30, 2012 01:29 PM            

I have (Sun and) Venus square Pluto natally and I can definitely relate to most of what has been written here. What I've found after many years of experiencing it, working on it, being frustrated by it, etc. etc. is that when it comes to the internal issues of control (feeling either in control or out of control) and power (feeling that you have it or that you don't have it) it boils down to you (and me )

All the worry and the fear equates to giving your power away, if that makes sense. It means someone else's feelings, or your perceptions of their feelings, are controlling you. In essence, your fears are controlling you and have power over you. It's often not about the other person at all, they are just the trigger.

If the other person also has a Venus/Pluto aspect natally then it's an opportunity to grow for both people. In this case you are the trigger and the receiver. In my case, my first two boyfriends (#1 was for 3 years and #2 was for 6.5 years) had soft Venus/Pluto aspects. BF #1 had the sextile and BF #2 had the trine. So I learned from them what the aspect felt like when it was soft and harmonious.

All my subsequent relationships were with men who have the hard aspect >>> two men who had Venus conjunct Pluto and my last boyfriend had Venus opposite Pluto. So I've been around Pluto's block more than a few times and gotten to experience pretty much all the aspects, as well as how they felt with my own Venus. Generally speaking, I am more attracted to the hard aspect which tells me that there is healing to be done in that area of my life.

In a nutshell, working on your issues of power, control and fear to create rather than destroy is how I try to look at it. Pluto wants to destroy and deconstruct so putting those energies to work in regards to things which actually *need* to be dismantled is a healthier use for all that powerful energy. Destroying old worn-out beliefs, sexual hang-ups, romantic ideals which no longer serve you, etc. is a good way to use the powerful Venus/Pluto energy as a tool and own it instead of allowing it to own you.

This is just my experience and my opinion, but I do understand how powerful this aspect can be in a person's life and really, it's all in how you direct it.

posted August 30, 2012 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:

In a nutshell, working on your issues of power, control and fear to create rather than destroy is how I try to look at it. Pluto wants to destroy and deconstruct so putting those energies to work in regards to things which actually *need* to be dismantled is a healthier use for all that powerful energy. Destroying old worn-out beliefs, sexual hang-ups, romantic ideals which no longer serve you, etc. is a good way to use the powerful Venus/Pluto energy as a tool and own it instead of allowing it to own you.

This is just my experience and my opinion, but I do understand how powerful this aspect can be in a person's life and really, it's all in how you direct it.

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posted August 30, 2012 04:40 PM            

I feel like he transformed my destiny [Pluto on the NN] in terms of socialization and opening myself up to new social experiences after feeling isolated for over a year. [11th house is groups, socializing, etc.]

Through the Pluto-Venus conjunction I feel something similar. I think he transforms the way I have looked at love so cynically, yet he also makes me feel controlled when I would rather dissolve and break free once and for all in the partnership. He always has some little string to reel me back in.... we always seem to try to play it cool with each other but constant meetings with each other seem to be vital to the partnership or else we feel deprived. He tries to act distant but contacts me often, opens up to me frequently, can have a controlling attitude in a very subtle way, etc. He has serious intimate issues from a bad past relationship and is reluctant to fully start one with me yet we both became emotionally immersed in each other so quickly.

posted August 30, 2012 05:05 PM            

Well I think it will be different for everyone. I personally found a lot of strength in dance. It channels all that intense energy outwardly and is a positive and creative expression for it. For women (and don't laugh) pole dancing classes are also a way to express the inherent intensity and sexuality of the energy ( and will give you muscles in places you didn't know you had muscles )

Meditation is also good. You are owning and claiming your power in a more internal way. I also love photography as well because it helps me to express that energy in a way which can capture the feelings visually.

Basically, you're trying to find a channel for the energy in a healthy, positive way.

On the other side of the coin, therapy itself is a good way to look more deeply at the underlying issues of the energy. Basically, an aspect is an energy in your chart which you manifest in some way but from my study of astrology, I've found that there is a reason why that energy exists. Figuring out what that is can be the first step to confronting it and thus owning it.