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Topic: 9th Harmonic, Ive read this chart is your soul, or show soulmate? Whats ur opinion?
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Ceridwen
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posted September 18, 2012 04:21 AM
  
Vedic astrology uses different zodiac (sidereal), different aspects (only whole sign aspects) and even different symbolism (esp. for houses). It is a completely different branch of astrology.however, I still find the 9th harmonic chart interesting and intriguing. Also the 9th harmonic chart highlights the natal aspects of the 9th harmonic (novile-binovile-trinovile or trine), which appear as conjunctions with an orb of 9 degree (relating to a one degree orb in the natal).
But all these technicalities aside, keeping in mind that of course the 9th harmonics and especially the signplacements are completely symbolic and not an astronomical chart of a given moment in time, I still find these very very intriguing.
But have been confused howe to apply them compared to the Draconic charts, though nowadays I think that the Draconic will highlight the PATH (as they relate to the nodal axis), whereas the 9th harmonic charts might be more indicative of a CONDITION.
I read somewhere, that if their tropical planets trigger your 9th harmonic charts, you will feel more soulfully bonded and vice versa.
The 9th to 9th of course would be the shared soul connection, but I believe it would be preferable to have strong links to the natal, to bring it into consciousness and into manifestation (i view the tropical natal chart as the chart of the "manifestation" plane. And whatever will manifest in physical dimension, has to go through there.).
BTW I am mainly looking for conjunctions/ oppositions between 9th harmonic placements and natal ones, as these may represent where the soul and the body interlink and merge.
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Ceridwen
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posted September 18, 2012 06:12 AM
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Gabby
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posted September 18, 2012 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
My 9th harmonic chart
We'd get along!! LOL IP: Logged |
sand
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posted September 18, 2012 10:48 AM
ceri,your harmonic sun on my natal mars. your venus on my natal sun. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted September 18, 2012 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Vedic astrology uses different zodiac (sidereal), different aspects (only whole sign aspects) and even different symbolism (esp. for houses). It is a completely different branch of astrology.however, I still find the 9th harmonic chart interesting and intriguing. Also the 9th harmonic chart highlights the natal aspects of the 9th harmonic (novile-binovile-trinovile or trine), which appear as conjunctions with an orb of 9 degree (relating to a one degree orb in the natal).
But all these technicalities aside, keeping in mind that of course the 9th harmonics and especially the signplacements are completely symbolic and not an astronomical chart of a given moment in time, I still find these very very intriguing.
But have been confused howe to apply them compared to the Draconic charts, though nowadays I think that the Draconic will highlight the PATH (as they relate to the nodal axis), whereas the 9th harmonic charts might be more indicative of a CONDITION.
I read somewhere, that if their tropical planets trigger your 9th harmonic charts, you will feel more soulfully bonded and vice versa.
The 9th to 9th of course would be the shared soul connection, but I believe it would be preferable to have strong links to the natal, to bring it into consciousness and into manifestation (i view the tropical natal chart as the chart of the "manifestation" plane. And whatever will manifest in physical dimension, has to go through there.).
BTW I am mainly looking for conjunctions/ oppositions between 9th harmonic placements and natal ones, as these may represent where the soul and the body interlink and merge.
I agree...when i look at 9th chart, to natal in synastry, i also just look at conjunction/oppositions, but i also try to look a lot of the energy of the planets in aspect to each other, and how the natal house of the planet has directed the energy in the souls development!
It seems soulfully we feel the energy of the planet's aspects and the direction of the house, more than the actual sign the planet falls under.....i think at first, vulnerabilty allows us to be directed by the sign, but once we begin maturing and making decisions through experience/lessons learned that maybe is different than our knee jerk reactions, we start seeing the deeper level of our birth chart.
The planets energy's as they come together, and meld into one creates our charts depth. As life forces us to dig deeper...we go into the planets energy's and how they are working together, or not working together, to show how our soul develops. So looking at the planets aspect to each other becomes a major part of how your soul developes...as an example with me
my neptune trines my venus...so in my 9th harmonic having a pisces venus fits...because as i've matured that neptune energy has married my love nature.
Also my saggy sun/merc is a trine by 2 degrees to my leo saturn
and i've had to work hard on being more responsible, being more aware of how my behavior affects my future, thinking ahead and planning...this isnt a natural tendency of a saggy, but ive overcome my saggy traits of irresponsibility and instead adopted my saturn responsibility nature...so in my 9th harmonic i have a taurus sun... IP: Logged |
ueharaa
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posted September 18, 2012 12:04 PM
It's really interesting. Thank you for those information!I have a question though, do you draw the 9th harmonic chart of your tropical chart or do you use the sidereal system for the 9th harmonic, since it is mostly associated with vedic astrology and vedic astrology uses a sidereal chart ? IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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posted September 18, 2012 02:36 PM
This is such a cool concept. I've explored harmonic charts a bit in the past put never the 9th harmonic. So the general consensus is that, this one can represent soulful qualities we would appreciate in a partner, or our spiritual identities at a higher level? Perhaps both?  I have Moon-Pluto in this chart, which definitely relates to how I can be quite deep feeling and thinking. It also seems to relate to why I have such an attraction to Scorpio Moon men. Saturn trines my Capricorn Sun which seems to reassert that inside, I am both quite serious and capable of working well in the business world but a bit too mature and stern at times. Also could point to why I prefer older guys, and guys who work in practical fields versus being the artistic one in the relationship [that's my role, hehe]. Pluto squares Scorpio Venus, so true to how I often end up in power games with people I'm romantically involved with. Also shows how I can be quite domineering in love. I also now have Mars in Pisces which is interesting since I have many Piscean influences on my natal Neptune... this seems to be the dreamy Mars, who is very good with music, art and fantasies, which is true of me, especially concerning romance - I prefer to fantasize a little and can be quite emotional about it. Mars squares my Moon here which probably speaks of my hidden volatile nature. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted September 18, 2012 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by ueharaa:
It's really interesting. Thank you for those information!I have a question though, do you draw the 9th harmonic chart of your tropical chart or do you use the sidereal system for the 9th harmonic, since it is mostly associated with vedic astrology and vedic astrology uses a sidereal chart ?
Ive been looking at it according to my tropical birth chart...even though it has been more commonly used in Vedic, as its been explored they have seen the value in using it in both Vedic and Western/Tropical astrology! The aspects that go along with each of the Harmonic charts have been used in both Vedic and Tropical so it makes sense these charts would also hold value in both. I don't know why it isnt something used more...but i know the 9th represents the 2nd part of your life...i was reading about how the formations, like a kite including the Mc in your 9th shows someone whos career path doesn't show up until late in life, and it shows definite success in your career....I think it was Michelle Pfiffers 9th harmonic chart who has a kite including her MC. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted September 18, 2012 08:52 PM
Humm interesting...
I checked out my 9th... I still have a Leo Stellium, my venus stays in Cancer also in the 9th Harm. Not much changes, except
my Mars goes from Leo to Scorpio
my Asc goes from Pis to Scorpio... A few different aspects.. The thing that really stood out was Uranus moves from Lib to Aqua which is opps my Leo stellium..
That fits me.. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted September 18, 2012 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by Lioness:
Humm interesting...
I checked out my 9th... I still have a Leo Stellium, my venus stays in Cancer also in the 9th Harm. Not much changes, except
my Mars goes from Leo to Scorpio
my Asc goes from Pis to Scorpio... A few different aspects.. The thing that really stood out was Uranus moves from Lib to Aqua which is opps my Leo stellium..
That fits me..
Hmmm, A fixed stellium...i wonder if the quality of your signs(fixed, mutable, cardinal) gives a clue of how much your going to change, maybe some are not here to change on the inside they are here to give stability and be a support system in this life?
Do you find yourself attracted to or attracting people that need you, end up being a grounding force for them? IP: Logged |
DeathIsanIllusion
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posted September 18, 2012 09:15 PM
What's the difference between an Eros-Psyche conjunction in synastry between 9th Harmonic charts vs one in Natals? How does it manifest? ------------------
Been studying Astrology since 2002; posted on LL between 2006 and 2008; extremely rabid 24/7 forum lurker & big fan since then until 2012. LL is completely amazing!! We are all writing here Astrology history!! IP: Logged |
peachbeigeblue
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posted September 18, 2012 09:39 PM
My ninth harmonic is pretty close to the guy I can't get over. Except my moon is in Aries and his is Taurus conjunct my natal moon. Our 9th suns are conjunct. His 9th venus is conjunct my natal vertex exact as welll mu natal venus and 9th venus. We both have 9th air ascendants that trine. My 9th asc is conjunct his natal asc. and our north nodes are both at 10 degrees scorpio I got kind of sad when I saw it. But anyway. This is really cool. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. My 9th harmonic chart is Cancer Sun, Aries moon, Gemini Venus and Mars (1 degree apart) My mercury is in Leo conjunct my natal merc n sun I have two tsquares in it (one mutable and one cardinal) natally I have a fixed tsquare. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted September 18, 2012 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Hmmm, A fixed stellium...i wonder if the quality of your signs(fixed, mutable, cardinal) gives a clue of how much your going to change, maybe some are not here to change on the inside they are here to give stability and be a support system in this life?
Do you find yourself attracted to or attracting people that need you, end up being a grounding force for them?
Yes I would say I'm a support system to a certain point... I want the support back, but I never get it...
I do change only it's through some very tough lessons.. Im seem to go from one lesson to another..
My lessons keep coming at me until I get it.... Which can be years...lol maybe one day I will get it sooner.... Nahhhhhhhh I doubt it....
I'm having one of my hardest lessons now, abt relationships... I have been going through it for 3 years now...
I know what I should do... But I'm finding it very hard.. I know it's meant still, I guess I still have some lessons abt it, before I can let it go...same with him.. It seems like we are each others relationship guides, so to speakI sometime feel like I'm meant to guide people away from me, so they can get better than me.. I'm not meant for long term relationships...imo....
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posted September 18, 2012 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by DeathIsanIllusion:
What's the difference between an Eros-Psyche conjunction in synastry between 9th Harmonic charts vs one in Natals? How does it manifest?
Eros would be the sexuality, your deepest needs as youve matured and overcome...while psyche would be your soul but how its expressed mentally, psyche can show your deepest fears, desires, needs and in the 9th Harmonic it would show how your needs have changed through lifes lessons. So, if you were terrified of commitment but then met someone who made you feel you never wanted to be without them, life has changed you! My eros birth chart is square my venus...i never felt i was loved, i felt i was more controlled for sex...
but ive stop allowing myself to get into relationships that don't prove they love me!! And i don't even want sex unless theres love involved...in my 9th harmonic my eros is conjunct my venus under a degree! My birth chart psyche is in gemini and as i child i wasn't allowed to express myself so i learned to denied who i was, i tried to be who they wanted to me. I barely knew myself and gemini is a skim the surface sign.
but in 9th its in aqua...and as i've grown i rebelled against what i was taught and have really come to understand myself and now im very creative in the ways i express whats in my soul. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted September 18, 2012 10:32 PM
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My ninth harmonic is pretty close to the guy I can't get over. Except my moon is in Aries and his is Taurus conjunct my natal moon. Our 9th suns are conjunct. His 9th venus is conjunct my natal vertex exact as welll mu natal venus and 9th venus. We both have 9th air ascendants that trine. My 9th asc is conjunct his natal asc. [b]and our north nodes are both at 10 degrees scorpio I got kind of sad when I saw it. But anyway. This is really cool. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. My 9th harmonic chart is Cancer Sun, Aries moon, Gemini Venus and Mars (1 degree apart) My mercury is in Leo conjunct my natal merc n sun I have two tsquares in it (one mutable and one cardinal) natally I have a fixed tsquare. [/B]
Look at the quality of his placements in his 9th, is he growing in the same directions as you? Like look at the way his planets are developing are his air signs turning into water signs? is he going from mutable to a stubborn fixed sign? Then compare that to you....are you becoming more flexible, emotional, less emotional and more about peace? you just to see the themes of how your both growing...to see if your growing together or apart! IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted September 18, 2012 10:45 PM
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posted September 18, 2012 11:16 PM
@LionessAwe, your not meant to guide people away from you!!
But your 9th is giving you notice...you are becoming more stubborn and its not good for you...its creating frustration within you! Nataly you had some fixed but you cardinal signs also...but your life has caused pain and now you feel more resentful of always being there, and you've grown stubborn in the places you used to be willing to be a leader.
Being stubborn isnt going to bring you happiness!
You can redirect your energy...9th is showing you the way you will naturally go, without any concentrated thought and effort.
You need to go out and find ways to lead others but at the same time it feeds you and gives you the chance to shine!!
Is there something you could do that would be teaching a group? Art, poetry, dancing, etc... something that makes you feel good about yourself and lets people admire you so you shine...you need to be adored while your guiding them so you get your zeal back for guiding others! You need to be appreciated The reason your so focused on others is you've lost knowledge of how to make yourself happy! You've focused so much on others that you forgot what you loved! The fun in being a leader has been lost because you didnt feel appreciated, and you never got back what you needed out of it.
Now your just upset...kinda like the kid on the playground refusing to pay with anyone because nobody is playing the way you want.
AND THATS OK!!!
Theres nothing wrong with being like this, this is the natural way anybody would go after being let down so much! But, it's not accomplishing anything either!
Your point is to be happy, what your doing isn't going to make you happy!
Who cares what anybody else is/isn't doing...there loss...you go out and find ways to fill your own needs!
Don't do anything to get back at them, do things that get you back to you!!
Life is about you not them, if they see your not all caught up in them, they might decide they will have to try to do something, to get your attention. They might have to put some effort into making you want to spend time with them..
Go find things that fit in with who you are, that make you happy, and help you let go! You'll find once you step out of the battle...and your not locked horns any more, you can see clearer. Then you need to start looking for who you are as an individual, not a couple! You need to do for yourself what they arent doing for you! IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted September 18, 2012 11:51 PM
Thanks hon.. You know what u said fits my natal nn which is in cap in h11..
I'm trying to find my thing... Only idk what that is..
I'm just not that into anything... I haven't found that thing..
I'm looking though..
You know u really hit on a lot of things, which also reflect in my natal...
In natal I have 4 leo planets in h6.. I've spent most of my life working, and doing everything for others, that I never really got a chance to do anything for me..
So I don't really know how to do things...I'm trying though... I've done a few things from that meet up website.. But still haven't found anything that really keeps my attention...
Plus I'm introverted so doing some of this is a challenge...IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted September 19, 2012 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by Lioness:
Thanks hon.. You know what u said fits my natal nn which is in cap in h11..
I'm trying to find my thing... Only idk what that is..
I'm just not that into anything... I haven't found that thing..
I'm looking though..
You know u really hit on a lot of things, which also reflect in my natal...
In natal I have 4 leo planets in h6.. I've spent most of my life working, and doing everything for others, that I never really got a chance to do anything for me..
So I don't really know how to do things...I'm trying though... I've done a few things from that meet up website.. But still haven't found anything that really keeps my attention...
Plus I'm introverted so doing some of this is a challenge...
Hmmm...do you mind telling me whats in your 2nd house, sign/planets, aspects? IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted September 19, 2012 12:12 AM
In natal ?Aries rules my h2.. No planets in h2...Mars aspects
Mars in leo
Mars in h6
Mars wide conjunct sun 9 orbs
Mars sq neptune. ( out of sign sq ) That's it IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted September 19, 2012 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by Lioness:
In natal ?Aries rules my h2.. No planets in h2...Mars aspects
Mars in leo
Mars in h6
Mars wide conjunct sun 9 orbs
Mars sq neptune. ( out of sign sq ) That's it
Your very nurturing, you naturally want to give...you love spreading joy, you get more joy from making others happy, than making yourself happy....but your so burnt out! Your quiet and keep to yourself, so nobody knows or has ever had to learn to pay attention to your needs because you rarely express needing anything....it seems like you've trained everyone around you that your the giver and they are the taker...is that right? IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted September 19, 2012 12:37 AM
Yes... Only lately I'm feeling taken advantage of...
Or taken for granted... I have cut just abt everyone out of my life... I'm starting new...
I recently stopped speaking with a 20 yr friend cuz was only taken advantage of me..IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted September 19, 2012 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by Lioness:
Yes... Only lately I'm feeling taken advantage of...
Or taken for granted... I have cut just abt everyone out of my life... I'm starting new...
I recently stopped speaking with a 20 yr friend cuz was only taken advantage of me..
I have to say, it sound like your starting to expect someone to give back or your done, your standing up for your needs...and thats wonderful!! Sometimes when you give and give and give...you just think others will naturally give back, because if someone was giving to you like that, you would give it back. But you can't base others off you...most dont have the same heart as you! Unfortunately...your big heart hasnt made sure you were protected! You would assume that they appreciate love as much as you...but they take it for granted, you've never had enough to take it for granted! That makes a huge difference in the way you handle relationships compared to others!
1st thing you must know is you can't think others are like you, few are! 2nd you can't wait for someone else to see what you need...yes you are intuitive and pay close attention to their needs, they can't return that, because they don't feel as deeply as you. 3rd you must become what you are for others for yourself!
Do you know if you have any unaspected planets...moon, venus...or in 12th house? IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted September 19, 2012 01:19 AM
Thanks hon.. Your hitting a spot.. Just yesterday I told fishy, if u want us to continue on, then I need this and this from u... It was a big step... He listened and said ok yes I want to continue, and I understand... How awesome was that!!Anyways.. No planets in h12
I have an earth void
Air is only generational planets
Saturn gem conjunct ic
Uranus/pluto in libra in h7
Water venus cancer a singleton, asc in water though..
I would post my chart but I'm on the cell.. U can look at my chart if u like.. I find it interesting not alot changed from natal to 9th harm.
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