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Desiring Shadows
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posted October 29, 2015 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^idk but this post is funny! Lol

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Originally posted by Sven555:
I've got a really good idea guys, let's just post all my own placements, signs and aspects on the topic and then say how good I am without actually giving an objectively point of what is more favourable for intelligence.

Not really that intelligent now, are you all.


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posted October 29, 2015 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most of this thread is 3 years old.

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posted October 29, 2015 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for socialgraffiti     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sven555:
I've got a really good idea guys, let's just post all my own placements, signs and aspects on the topic and then say how good I am without actually giving an objectively point of what is more favourable for intelligence.

Not really that intelligent now, are you all.


Summary of the thread

Btw... saw the comment above me before it was edited. ^^ I found it excessive and unnecessary. Not sure what's up, but that was definitely crossing a line. I'll let it slide for now though.

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posted March 20, 2016 02:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for incognito     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mercury uranus....i would get all the right answers for all the "wrong" reasons lol

If you give me a question to work on. I will get the answer right but I skip all the steps in-between. That happened in school a lot. They would ask me to show the steps I've gone through to reach my conclusions because they couldn't follow it. I always thought who cares about that bit as long as the answer's right!

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posted March 20, 2016 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquagembaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This may be a bit too general but I know four Moon in Libras...they're all academically smart.

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posted March 20, 2016 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Mercury in Aries and I feel smart...40% of the time. A lot of the times I don't pay attention which when I think of that related to astrology ALWAYS brings to mind a baby sitting on the ground with it's head swiveling and bobbling around as it tries to focus.

The Mercury signs with the biggest capacity for being intellectual would be -

Mercury in Gemini
Mercury in Cancer
Mercury in Virgo
Mercury in Sagittarius
Mercury in Aquarius

OR Uranus aspecting Sun or Mercury.

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posted March 20, 2016 05:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DualGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
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Mercury in Gemini
Mercury in Cancer
Mercury in Virgo
Mercury in Sagittarius
Mercury in Aquarius

Thanks for the compliment my group mates for a school project are beyond foolish.

My only problem is with Virgo and Aquarius both can become ridged, bias and stubborn with there thinking.

They might start off smart, but become stubborn and irrational over time.

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Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
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StubbornVirgo
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posted March 20, 2016 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't want to toot my own horn, but I do think I'm fairly intelligent. I'm a natural planner and strategizer. I have a good memory for even the smallest details. I did well in college. I am "book smart" but I also have a headful of common sense.

The only thing is that when I'm learning something new, I have to take my time and learn it on my own - which is a total contradiction to the Gemini energy in my chart, which just wants to "pick it up" on the way (I've tried this before and it's always disastrous). I'm not as "quick" with learning as someone looking at my chart would perceive me to be. Once I have it, though, it sticks for good. I also learn a subject as thoroughly as possible. My 3rd house cusp is in Taurus, 9th house in Scorpio.

I have Mercury in Virgo. My Mercury trines Uranus, Saturn and Neptune, and squares my Moon/Mars in Gemini. My Mercury is also sextile my Pluto. My Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, and Mars are all ruled by Mercury. I also Sun-Mercury conjunction.

Purely from personal experience...

Sun-Mercury conjunction usually points to a person whose mind is always "on". I never have to worry about if they've spaced out or aren't paying attention - they're likely paying attention to everything going on around them. Because they spend so much time thinking, they're usually very intelligent.

Mercury-Saturn conjunctions seem to lend a person who is so disciplined with learning that they can focus on and mentally digest whatever they need to in order to succeed. They seem to have a great memory as well.

I do think any of the signs have the capability of being intelligent but I think Mercury in Aquarius is one of the best placements for intellectuals. I am a little biased since I have 2 people with this placement in my family. I admire their ability to think outside the box - something my Virgo Mercury needs to work on.

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posted March 20, 2016 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
for speed thinking aspects mercury-mars & mercury uranus. people with mars are quick to get thing. uranus has a crazy way of looking at things, but they are always original (untless mercury aflicted by other planet make this person to suppress the energy) but overal uranian mercury types are original thinkers

mercury pluto it gives depth, stamine to go after the intellectual interest and mistery. make for good researchers. mercury in scorpio & cancer give that schrewdeness as well

logical thinking mercury in capricorn, gemini, libra, aquarius, virgo mercury in aspect to saturn. it gives the capability for structure, to base arguments on data, evidence, arguments... not the charlatan type of mind. mercury in aspect to saturn gives some selfconsiusness, but true intelligent people dont think of themselves as genious, they know better!!!

retrograde mercury may give some hesitancy in communication and some people has learning disabilities that are notably. however, many bright minds are mercury retrograde. there is always an odd quality in the way these people process information, but not necesarily lack high intelligence

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posted March 20, 2016 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
for speed thinking aspects mercury-mars & mercury uranus. people with mars are quick to get thing. uranus has a crazy way of looking at things, but they are always original (untless mercury aflicted by other planet make this person to suppress the energy) but overal uranian mercury types are original thinkers

mercury pluto it gives depth, stamine to go after the intellectual interest and mistery. make for good researchers. mercury in scorpio & cancer give that schrewdeness as well

logical thinking mercury in capricorn, saturn in 3rd house, gemini, libra, aquarius, virgo mercury in aspect to saturn. it gives the capability for structure, to base arguments on data, evidence, arguments... not the charlatan type of mind. mercury in aspect to saturn gives some selfconsiusness, but true intelligent people dont think of themselves as genious, they know better!!!

retrograde mercury may give some hesitancy in communication and some people has learning disabilities that are notably. however, many bright minds are mercury retrograde. there is always an odd quality in the way these people process information, but not necesarily lack high intelligence


forgot to mention

Mercury jupiter or jupiter in 3rd house give the native the capacity to look at the big picture and dont get lost in details

mercury neptune... you know artist, people who cann connect with the collective unconsciouls and bring these to the surface.. architects, painters, musisians may exhibt this often, but I have not done any research on it...

overall, in a scientific you want to see a combination of mercury-saturn, mercury uranus, mercury-pluto or any combination by house or sign...

artist will need the touch of neptune

detached objective people in general: air signs

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posted March 20, 2016 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vickymadness:
People with heavy Virgo influences ....or mercury in Virgo. These people are freakin' SMART!

I noticed Sagittarius with Scorpio mercury , and also Scorpios with Sagittarius mercury.

Water/Air mooners.

planets in 3H.

Mercury aspecting pluto.

Some will say mercury aspecting uranus, well I have this aspect and I do think out of the box but my thoughts are pretty erratic.

sun+mercury in Aqua, I've seen these people they're incredibly creative.

My Aries mercury led me to engineering school


I have worked with several virgo mercury and they are good organizers, good at structuring concepts, but they lack creativity. unless they have some uranian, neptunian or sunny energy.. I normally found them asking for ideas, because they can structure and critisize and organize ideas, but they are not super good to come up with new ones.. my experience though

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posted March 20, 2016 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HadesFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vickymadness:
social or academic intelligence ?

a Pisces-influenced person would have both , I think.


Ok, I can attest to this- and for this thinking, you also get an A+; whatever your placements!

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posted March 20, 2016 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:

Sun-Mercury conjunction usually points to a person whose mind is always "on". I never have to worry about if they've spaced out or aren't paying attention - they're likely paying attention to everything going on around them. Because they spend so much time thinking, they're usually very intelligent.

Mercury-Saturn conjunctions seem to lend a person who is so disciplined with learning that they can focus on and mentally digest whatever they need to in order to succeed. They seem to have a great memory as well.


Agreed.

Also, Mercury-Saturn folks have more self-censorship, so 'bad ideas' don't usually get outta the workshop.

I'd throw Pallas aspects into the mix - although that's a different kind of intelligence.

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posted March 20, 2016 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@nordicsoul

I forgot about Mercury Rx. I do have that, and that might be why I have to learn new subjects my own way vs the way everyone else is learning it.

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posted March 20, 2016 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mercury conjunct Chiron, Ceres, and Sun - also square Saturn, and trine MC.

I was an advanced reader, and considered to be clever, but I was terrible at maths (beyond the basics, of course). I hated algebra.

I think the Saturn square left me doubting myself, but I would apply myself. Get the easy stuff out of the way first, and then dig into the more difficult things when I had the energy. If I had to study for something that was important to me, I would somehow manage to focus on only that, until I was finished. I can't do that, anymore, so I wonder if a transit helped. When I was sixteen, and shut myself away for a week, to study, my sister thought I didn't like them anymore.

When I was depressed, I would forget about homework completely. And then rush to finish it the night before it was due.

I'm not brilliant, by any means, but can be a hard worker.

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posted March 21, 2016 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Conjunct Chiron and Ceres both?

^^ That's mighty modest of you, btw. I know very few people who would be comfortable saying they are hard-workers and not zip-zapping through things, so to speak. (Even when it's true).

The way you describe what you're good at and not, is ample proof that you're smart, T. We're all good at different things. And on top of that, you're not afraid to work hard.

Lotta folks who consider themselves smart get mentally lazy, if you ask me. I've watched some of my friends, who had a lot of potential, screw things up this way. If they'd but had some stick-to-itiveness.

After all, intelligence is not as static as we believe it to be. The mind can stretch and stretch - depending on how much we exercise it.

And you have it trine MC...What kind of work do you do, if you don't mind telling...?

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posted March 21, 2016 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The classic aspect for intelligence is Sun CONJUNT Mercury, not combust.

Conjunction is 6-10 degrees.

Also, for genius brilliance, there is the asteroid Quaoor.

Paul Mc Cartney has it conj Mercury

Einstein has it conj the ASC


Case closed

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posted March 21, 2016 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spongebob     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The classic aspect for intelligence is Sun CONJUNT Mercury, not combust.

Conjunction is 6-10 degrees.

Also, for genius brilliance, there is the asteroid Quaoor.

Paul Mc Cartney has it conj Mercury

Einstein has it conj the ASC


Case closed



Sun cnonjunct mercury is a very common aspect even in combustion, most of themworld has it. Statistically its asinine to think that the combustion means lowerd intelligence.

Then again with all the people short-stroking themwlves over Trump, hmm. maybe there's some truth to that after all.

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posted March 21, 2016 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Then again with all the people short-stroking themwlves over Trump


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posted March 21, 2016 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spongebob     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]Then again with all the people short-stroking themwlves over Trump /b]




Im typing on an iPad, old lady.

You wwnt a cookie for saving my typos?

You need a hobby besides trying tomrile up people on the internet who honestly dont care about ypu.

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posted March 21, 2016 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea, I did notice your spelling was a little funky but having good manners, I did not mention it

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posted March 21, 2016 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nyctea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by a_may_gemini:
Mercury - Jupiter aspects will be person who loves learning.

I have Merc sextile Jupiter exact in my chart and i agree with the description.

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Originally posted by a_may_gemini:
...I would place intelligence with Mercury in 5th for creativity

Ohh i have this

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
The Mercury signs with the biggest capacity for being intellectual would be -

Mercury in Gemini
Mercury in Cancer
Mercury in Virgo
Mercury in Sagittarius
Mercury in Aquarius


Isn't Sag Mercury in 'detriment'? Some websites state that this placement isn't 'good' for Mercury.

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posted March 22, 2016 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Spongebob:

Sun cnonjunct mercury is a very common aspect even in combustion, most of themworld has it. Statistically its asinine to think that the combustion means lowerd intelligence.

Yep.

I have it. I'm not of lower intelligence in any way. My brother has it. He's probably the most intelligent person I know. Many of my closest friends have it - they're all intelligent, accomplished individuals in their own right.

FYI - Mozart, Jimi Hendrix, Salvador Dali, Frank Sanatra, Beethoven, Quentin Tarantino, John Mayer, Zooey Deschanel, Anthony Hopkins, Denzel Washington, Keanu Reeves, Cary Grant, Axl Rose, Johnny Cash, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, and many many more actresses, actors, musicians, businessmen and politicians all have Sun-Mercury combust. I think we can agree that more than a few of them ^^ are very intelligent (some of them even genius) as well as extremely creative.

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posted March 23, 2016 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
It ain't about school, cos' I pretty much clean out the school part.

Intelligence has *nothing* to do with school or grades.


Agreed
To me intelligence is practical use of what you know when you have a goal in mind
Saving time, energy or making things work more efficiently

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posted March 23, 2016 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all I disagree about the Mercury Quaoar conjunction. It ain't genius!

I have it in the 3rd in Libra and I'm average in all sorts of ways, although I enjoy learning. Even when these two are conjunct another clever asteroid - Archimedes:

Quaoar 13.32
Archimedes 13.56
Mercury 13.57

Waiting for the eureka moment!.

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