posted October 08, 2012 06:08 AM            

The Law of Karma, cause and effect, sustains this prison. The Law works across dimensions but subtly varies across dimensions.

Thus, any entity in a higher or 4th Dimension can "manipulate" a human being by whispering thoughts of negativity, and make the ignorant person succumb to the karmic law resulting from negative action.
Such an entity is already suffering millions of years of punishment by being locked in 4th D without scope for higher evolution.

Why do we succumb to such manipulation? Why cannot we as a species rise above the programming and negative imagery fed to us?

This is because we need to identify with our own Divine Spark or Divine Seed of Consciousness, gifted by the Eternal Supreme Being. We can do that if and only if we believe that we can be better, or higher or nobler than what Saturn, the Planet of Karma, will make us think of ourselves through his agents. And who are Saturn's agents? Each and every being who has not identified with his or her Divine, Immortal Consciousness.
It is our thoughts, our emotions and our Will that assists in creating the reality constructs around us. Saturn's energy "crystallizes" Divinely charged energy from Human Minds into Physical Matter.

We use Saturn, and thus, Saturn can use us, by the Law of Karma.
We think negatively about us, and Saturn will invite negative events to support our thoughts. We lose motivation, and act negatively, and voila, Saturn can trap us into one more incarnation. It is a contract that every Soul has made, to play this "Prison Escape" Game.
Know that Saturn's own Freedom is tied to our freedom. He is doing his contracted duty.

It is our duty to overcome the chains of physical reality [as indicated by DNA Chains in our body] and vibrate to a Higher Realm from this Physical Reality. If you leave a prison cell, you cannot say you will leave your arms or feet behind. Same way, our physical body also has our Will and Consciousness. We have to create freedom for each and every DNA Chain, and our Mind and our Soul, all together.

One for All and All for One.

The Key to True Freedom is thus to completely overcome all that is Saturn. And Astrologically, we will gain if we examine the opposite degree of our Saturn's position in the Natal Chart.

When we become the Opposite of Saturn, we will attract the wisdom, material, inspiration and motivation to become truly Free. To attain a Spiritual State wherein one can take full control of existence after death, to travel to any realm and incarnate as it pleases, without afflicted DNA and with full, memory recalls of all existences.

By the Law of Karma, the moment you think the Opposite of Saturn, the Saturn energy dissolves and paves the way for your Uranus, Neptune and Pluto transformational energies to Free your Soul.

Learned people have advised us to "do our Saturn". Yes, that also helps but it is a slow process. Is it easier to remove acid using a spoon or better to neutralize the acid with alkali, and then throw out the salt using a shovel?
Thus, when we "do" our Saturn after we change our thinking to the Opposite Sign, then success will be rapid in all spheres of life. This is like a double attack on the chains of bondage.

I will explain briefly this recipe for initiating Freedom for all 12 Saturn Positions.

1. Saturn in Aries: Opposite is Libra:
Cooperate, and learn to love another as much as you love yourself. Sacrifice some time and some mind space daily, gaze at beauty of others and of that made by others without thinking that you could have done it better. This change in thinking will lead to your Divine Initiation and Spiritual Freedom.

2. Saturn in Taurus: Learn to share possessions, give up thinking of ownership as the only security. Treasure intangible wealth like friendship and spouse's love.
Share with pleasure. And share pleasure, go full blast in sexually pleasing your partner than focusing on your own climax.
This change in thinking (and actions) will lead to your Divine Initiation and Spiritual Freedom.

3. Saturn in Gemini:
Gorging voraciously over tons of data is also a karmic act of imprisonment. You will fill your head with information but not have energy to distil it, nor accept new information. Zen Masters insist on the power of emptiness and still Minds to allow Divine Inspiration but burden of gathering trivia or talking and changing focus is a huge stress. Stop to think before reading more. Speak out the conclusion of data than priding over facts, communicate concepts that are far reaching and imbibe the fearlessness of a Sagittarius.
This change in thinking will lead to your Divine Initiation and Spiritual Freedom.

4. Saturn in Cancer: Trapped by fears of security, family compulsions and fear of the unknown, Saturn in Cancer must choose to think in terms of formal goals, proper structures and aim for the fearlessness that comes with professional conduct.
Never compromise goals for the sake of family, for their growth comes with your rise, not with your sacrifice of a professional goal just so that you cannot bear the guilt. Kill the guilt and value your Self. This does not mean abandoning the family, but of defining and knowing the right boundaries and sticking to them, just like how Saturn himself sets boundaries in this Reality.

5.Saturn in Leo:
The generation that is virtually robbed of fame and flashy success by its karmic debts. We must strive for out and out Humanitarian thinking. Become "water bearers" and bear good news, good tidings and celebrate happy events of life than sharing only gloom and doom. We must learn to accept great ideas of others in a humble manner, and forgive any personal pricks and taunts. Dissolving grudges, sincere forgiveness and being as friendly as possible to the worst critic, this will liberate this generation the fastest.

6. Saturn in Virgo: Know that not all Psychics are deluded. Neglect astrology at your own peril. Know that Spirit exists and our Soul is verily Immortal. Denial of Spirituality is a guaranteed imprisonment for many more incarnations. Yes, be skeptical of claims but why deny mathematical impossibility of Divine Cosmic Design? Why deny attempts at feeling spiritual sensations just because Dawkins and Sagan say otherwise? The great Robert Anton Wilson showed what kind of a liar Carl Sagan was. Why do you trust such liars and debase your Immortal Consciousness? Look at the big, galactic picture, the swirling galaxies and the matching swirl of electrons in the atom. Pay close attention to the detail of the Big picture, and you will have received the proof of your own Immortal Essence.

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posted October 08, 2012 06:12 AM              

This sounds similiar to the Pluto polarity- point, just in terms of Saturn.
It is an interesting concept.

posted October 08, 2012 07:02 AM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Hey iQ! Would you happen to have info on S-turn in Pisces? Or the second half of the zodiac, for that matter?

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So cute. My question, too. Love you, IQ

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posted October 08, 2012 08:25 AM            

There was a scene from a Kafka movie adaptation by Orson Welles, where the secret police is scared to kill a prisoner who refuses to commit suicide from the enforced guilt of a crime which he did not commit.
The police start fearing and quivering. The prisoner [played by Anthony Perkins] could have just walked away. This is the "freedom" behavior. Refuse guilt, transfer the karma back to Saturn, and Saturn will respond with more and more carrots to lure you into the game. Refuse the carrots with more independent thinking behavior, and we keep freeing the shackles. The ultimate fear for a Saturn based trap is when the would be victim responds with "So what" when something scary is mentioned. This confident thinking is a combination of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto PROVIDED Jupiter is active.

Jupiter is one plate.
Saturn is an Insulator.
Uranus, Neptune and Pluto is another plate.

Generate enough Will, and the "Capacitance" Energy raises the frequency of the Individual to the "Free" Soul Level, and ultimately, the insulator breaks down, allowing free "Kundalini" Current.

posted October 08, 2012 01:17 PM            

Vertias-
Veritas, meaning truth, was the goddess of truth, a daughter of Saturn and the mother of Virtue. It was believed that she hid in the bottom of a holy well because she was so elusive.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sophrosyne-
The editors of The Collected Dialogues of Plato (Princeton University Press, 1989), in introducing Charmides, write...
What is sophrosyne? That word cannot be translated by any one English word. The truth is that this quality, this sophrosyne, which to the Greeks was an ideal second to none in importance, is not among our ideals. We have lost the conception of it. Enough is said about it in Greek literature for us to be able to describe it in some fashion, but we cannot give it a name. It was the spirit behind the two great Delphic sayings, "Know thyself" and "Nothing in excess." Arrogance, insolent self-assertion, was the quality most despised by the Greeks. Sophrosyne was the exact opposite. It meant accepting the bounds which excellence lays down for human nature, restraining impulses to unrestricted freedom, to all excess, obeying the inner laws of harmony and proportion.

posted October 08, 2012 01:28 PM            

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It was believed that she hid in the bottom of a holy well because she was so elusive.

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Wowie! New life goal! Or bucket list thing...live in the bottom of a holy well to keep up a visage of elusiveness.

posted October 08, 2012 02:43 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Wowie! New life goal! Or bucket list thing...live in the bottom of a holy well to keep up a visage of elusiveness.

"Where might I find him?"
"The bottom of a holy well, my child"

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OMG...your funny!! Thats SOO cute, I love the well peepers, LOL! I'm sure those are holy wells, how couldn't they be?

posted October 09, 2012 01:34 AM            

the degree opp to saturn in my chart:

PHASE 79 (GEMINI 19°): A LARGE ARCHAIC VOLUME REVEALS A TRADITIONAL WISDOM.

KEYNOTE: Contacting the all-human planetary Mind underlying any cultural and personal mentality.

Occult tradition tells us that all cyclic manifestations of the human mind have had a primordial revelatory Source. It speaks of ancient books made of especially treated papyrus leaves and conveying through symbols the archetypal processes at the root of all earthly existence (see Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine). Such volumes, said to remain in the possession of certain Adepts, constitute the "exteriorization" of archetypal knowledge and wisdom. They contain the "seed-ideas" from which the human mind grows, cyclically producing cultures of various types.

This fourth stage symbol evokes for us the "technique" by means of which the human mind can uncover the foundations of its nature and acquire what might be called SEED-KNOWLEDGE, the knowledge of the structure of cyclic and cosmic manifestations of life on this planet.

posted October 09, 2012 01:50 AM            

I love you.

posted October 09, 2012 06:27 PM            

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Originally posted by violet7887:
interesting read iq , the opposite point of restriction in you chart should indeed be some form of your freedom. Possibly the path/thought in which you have clarity in vision since saturn is major strain.

the degree opp to saturn in my chart:

PHASE 79 (GEMINI 19°): A LARGE ARCHAIC VOLUME REVEALS A TRADITIONAL WISDOM.

KEYNOTE: Contacting the all-human planetary Mind underlying any cultural and personal mentality.

Occult tradition tells us that all cyclic manifestations of the human mind have had a primordial revelatory Source. It speaks of ancient books made of especially treated papyrus leaves and conveying through symbols the archetypal processes at the root of all earthly existence (see Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine). Such volumes, said to remain in the possession of certain Adepts, constitute the "exteriorization" of archetypal knowledge and wisdom. They contain the "seed-ideas" from which the human mind grows, cyclically producing cultures of various types.

This fourth stage symbol evokes for us the "technique" by means of which the human mind can uncover the foundations of its nature and acquire what might be called SEED-KNOWLEDGE, the knowledge of the structure of cyclic and cosmic manifestations of life on this planet.

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Mine..

PHASE 43 (TAURUS 13°): A PORTER CARRYING HEAVY BAGGAGE.

KEYNOTE: Self-mobilization for social advantage.

The "man" spoken of in the preceding symbol is now integrated in a social pattern. He has to carry a load — perhaps a load of debts following an ambitious buying spree, or some other social burden. He is the strong man, the man of ambition who has to take care of the inward-turned "woman" aspect of his consciousness, the aspect that seeks to grow a beautiful "garden" of individual selfhood.

posted October 09, 2012 07:36 PM            

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Dammit,iQ,we are waiting

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posted October 10, 2012 02:23 AM            

This particular line has unusually caught me off-guard as I was reading through your post, probably because just like most of you, even I have been yearning to see a better world with peace and unity across the planet.

"This is because we need to identify with our own Divine Spark or Divine Seed of Consciousness, gifted by the Eternal Supreme Being.We can do that if and only if we believe that we can be better, or higher or nobler than what Saturn, the Planet of Karma, will make us think of ourselves through his agents."

Just like you, I am a 77 born Aries ASC with Saturn in Leo. The last 2 1/2 years in my 7th house libra has been extremely difficult from both relationships point of view and from financial standpoint (being a Virgo Sun it was falling in my 2nd house). The most recent 29th Sept Aries Full moon has really shook me to the core for obvious reasons.

I am really hoping that I can see some light at the end of the proverbial tunnel very soon.

I am really looking forward to see a bright new happy world. Thank you for your service.

Best wishes
LindaGreg

posted October 11, 2012 12:01 AM            

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Mine..

PHASE 43 (TAURUS 13°): A PORTER CARRYING HEAVY BAGGAGE.

KEYNOTE: Self-mobilization for social advantage.

The "man" spoken of in the preceding symbol is now integrated in a social pattern. He has to carry a load — perhaps a load of debts following an ambitious buying spree, or some other social burden. He is the strong man, the man of ambition who has to take care of the inward-turned "woman" aspect of his consciousness, the aspect that seeks to grow a beautiful "garden" of individual selfhood.

At this third stage of the ninth five-fold sequence we see the outcome of the first two. The relationship of ego-man and society has taken the aspect of COMPULSION FOR GAIN.

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what do you make of yours sand?

a man working through life for enternal improvement? or a man carrying a load for improvement around him?