posted October 17, 2012 01:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Got Gemini??:
I have Saturn at 25° Leo and I'm no criminal and I'm not violent.

We should be careful not to make blanket statements based on astrology stereotypes. There's billions of people on the planet. I can't even guess how many have Leo 15 and 25 degrees. I seriously doubt they are all violent or spiritual.

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posted October 17, 2012 01:54 PM            

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posted October 18, 2012 09:06 AM            

I grew up in violent and emotionally cold households. Most of my childhood was plagued with physical dangers and virtually zero emotional backup. I always felt alone. I fought alone. I played alone. I disciplined myself. I often had nightmares of being suffocated or strangled. The first time I stayed up really late, as in past 1am, was when I was 3 years old and I wanted to stay up and keep watch. For the majority of my life, I don't sleep until sunrise. I use to stay up to make sure I'd be alive and wouldn't pass out until sunrise. I had the worst fears that my Dad would eventually kill my Mom by strangling her because I did seen him choke her several times. For the majority of my life, I had been sent away to boarding schools on and off up to 16 years old. By 17, I left "home" for good and went to college. I haven't returned to live with my parents since then and it's been over a decade.
I was responsible for beating up a few other kids on the playground because I was being bullied.

When I was 11, some random girl came out of the blue and tried to beat me up because her best friend didn't like me (I had never met her best friend). Our fight was broken up and I played nice to her for the rest of the year. On the last day of school (for that school year), I mixed some household liquid cleaners in with juice and gave it to her as a parting gift and I said I was glad to be friends with her. I watched her drink it, turn blue, and hurled. I calmly and quietly walked away from her and the class didn't notice until later. She didn't die from it, she got really sick and started summer vacation being hospitalized. The following year, she stayed away from me and my classmates pretty much didn't get near me nor said anything to me.

posted November 04, 2012 02:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
15 Degrees of Leo is one of the worst degrees in the zodiac. Either natally or in prediction. Prominent in the charts of serial killers, felons serving life sentences, hard luck, etc. Helen Keller- blind/deaf had her chart co-ruler, Mars at 15 degrees of Leo, along with no air signs. (Air signs are communication).

25 degrees of Leo is violent, many people in prison for violent crimes have their chart rulers on this degree. Also, this is not a good degree for a planet to be on in a predictive chart. Problems will result from this placement according to the affairs it rules and/or house it is in. This is a very strong degree of alcoholism. Many who are chronic alcoholics have prominent planets on the 25th degree of Taurus, Leo, Scorpio or Aquarius. Especially strong if Neptune is involved.

15 Degrees of Taurus, Scorpio and Aquarius are also unfortunate, but not to the extent as 15 degrees of Leo, one of the worst degrees in the Zodiac.

16, 17, 18, 19, 22 and 25 Degrees of Taurus are all degrees of violence.

9 Degrees of Gemini- degree of homocide.

17 Degrees of Gemini- degree of homocide.

6 Degrees of Cancer possible physical disability and to a lesser extent, 6 degrees, Libra, Capricorn and Aries. Especially if the planet occupies the first house.

6 Degrees of Leo/Aquarius is bad for eyesight.

12 Degrees of Leo, degree of beauty.

9 Degrees of Virgo and Pisces are known as fatal degrees, body in the ditch degrees or degrees of suffering.
9 degrees of Pisces is one of the worst degrees in the Zodiac.

9 Degrees of Sagittarius, is a warrior degree, and also a degree of homocide.

22 degrees of all signs is bad, either natally or in prediction.

CAPUT ALGOL - [25 Degrees of Taurus]
Here is one of the most violent stars in the zodiac. In natal charts, this gives a most violent disposition, with murderous tendencies. This is intensified when intoxicated. The mean viscious drunk. On the upside, it bestows athletic ability. The intense nature, when sublimated, can give the drive to reach the top. Olympic gymnasts, Shannon Miller and Olga Korbut are examples here. When conjunct the descendent, violence will come from others, especially the lover or marriage partner.

PRAESEPE - [7 degrees into Leo]
Bad for eyesight. Losses coming from others. Adventuresome, brutality, perverse, reckless.

ALPHARD - [26 degrees into Leo]
Lack of control, violence, unethical, subject to imprisonment and tragedy. Connection with poisons and toxins.

SCHEAT - [28 degrees into Pisces]
Extreme misfortune, suicide, drowning, murder, rapidly gaining and losing friends, unpredictable nature, inclined to fantasize.
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Degrees.html

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posted November 04, 2012 05:59 AM            

Taurus 27:

A man sculpturing hedges into animal forms

posted November 04, 2012 06:37 PM            

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How bout violent astrologers.

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LOL
Violent astrologers are down @ 25 degrees in Scorpio.

posted November 04, 2012 08:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
15 Degrees of Leo is one of the worst degrees in the zodiac. Either natally or in prediction. Prominent in the charts of serial killers, felons serving life sentences, hard luck, etc. Helen Keller- blind/deaf had her chart co-ruler, Mars at 15 degrees of Leo, along with no air signs. (Air signs are communication).
25 degrees of Leo is violent, many people in prison for violent crimes have their chart rulers on this degree. Also, this is not a good degree for a planet to be on in a predictive chart. Problems will result from this placement according to the affairs it rules and/or house it is in. This is a very strong degree of alcoholism. Many who are chronic alcoholics have prominent planets on the 25th degree of Taurus, Leo, Scorpio or Aquarius. Especially strong if Neptune is involved.
15 Degrees of Taurus, Scorpio and Aquarius are also unfortunate, but not to the extent as 15 degrees of Leo, one of the worst degrees in the Zodiac.
16, 17, 18, 19, 22 and 25 Degrees of Taurus are all degrees of violence.
9 Degrees of Gemini- degree of homocide.
17 Degrees of Gemini- degree of homocide.
6 Degrees of Cancer possible physical disability and to a lesser extent, 6 degrees, Libra, Capricorn and Aries. Especially if the planet occupies the first house.
6 Degrees of Leo/Aquarius is bad for eyesight.
12 Degrees of Leo, degree of beauty.
9 Degrees of Virgo and Pisces are known as fatal degrees, body in the ditch degrees or degrees of suffering.
9 degrees of Pisces is one of the worst degrees in the Zodiac.
9 Degrees of Sagittarius, is a warrior degree, and also a degree of homocide.
22 degrees of all signs is bad, either natally or in prediction.
CAPUT ALGOL - [25 Degrees of Taurus]
Here is one of the most violent stars in the zodiac. In natal charts, this gives a most violent disposition, with murderous tendencies. This is intensified when intoxicated. The mean viscious drunk. On the upside, it bestows athletic ability. The intense nature, when sublimated, can give the drive to reach the top. Olympic gymnasts, Shannon Miller and Olga Korbut are examples here. When conjunct the descendent, violence will come from others, especially the lover or marriage partner.
PRAESEPE - [7 degrees into Leo]
Bad for eyesight. Losses coming from others. Adventuresome, brutality, perverse, reckless.
ALPHARD - [26 degrees into Leo]
Lack of control, violence, unethical, subject to imprisonment and tragedy. Connection with poisons and toxins.
SCHEAT - [28 degrees into Pisces]
Extreme misfortune, suicide, drowning, murder, rapidly gaining and losing friends, unpredictable nature, inclined to fantasize.
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Degrees.html

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posted November 04, 2012 08:53 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
For exemple, Algol on 26°10 taurus, according to one book:

Taurus 27:

[b]A man sculpturing hedges into animal forms

making a great deal of something out of almost nothing is the mark of fantasy or unhibited imagination. You prefer to be presented with basic, simple, and ordinary things. Inside your soul you turn these into what they originally were, releasing their primal power. When alchemy runs this close to the bone, it is astounding what it can do. Tackling longstanding knots and obstacles of every kind is sensed as nourishment and opportunity. A sacrificial incarnation can best frame itself in fantasy and imagination and thereby hug the edge between worlds perfectly. The path here is to stay under while peeking over the top, and to play it as straight as can be, while coming from an irrepressible source that can come through this peculiar form with flying colors.[/B]

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posted November 04, 2012 09:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Yes.. 25 Taurus is indeed the most violent of them all - but they are never astrologers.

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Lol.

posted November 05, 2012 03:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
LOL
Violent astrologers are down @ 25 degrees in Scorpio.

25 Leo people - can only be either violent criminals... OR... astrologers.

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posted November 05, 2012 07:32 PM            

Fixed stars are very different than Sabian symbols. Fixed stars are based on constellations and ancient astrology. Sabians are a person's interpretation of that degree based on intuition not constellations.

And yes, it's all subjective but so is all of astrology. It's all pulled from one definition of a planet's characteristics, so you can say all of Venus traits, for example, are pulled from one source. The planets and signs all have certain characteristics that the interpreter puts together. All of it is symbolism that someone analyzes and makes into a cohesive pattern. No one is reinventing the wheel here. It all comes down to interpretation and there are some who are very good at that and others who aren't.

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Originally posted by pire:
I suppose u meant fixed star?
Anyway I know 26°10 is degre and what I give is one version of the degree. My point was that degrees in this case, but like most things in astrology, are down to interpretation. And most info on the web is cut and paste from a single version. Look at the fixed stars interpretations on the web for exemple. Everywhere the same author cited.

To me interpretation has to be taken into account when dealing with astrology. That is to say: who say what to whom... Why, how... And so on. Cause the object analysed (chart, aspect...) is [b]perceived which implies a standpoint that is subjective. Then interpreted by someone with fear, pride, ... Let say ego (ego's legitimacy is another issue). I don't post much in the astrology section not cause i don't know my classics but for those reasons. That's all. [/B]

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posted November 05, 2012 07:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Got Gemini??:
Out of the Billions of people on the planet, what is your sample size of charts that you have studied that you came to the conclusion that you can say this is true if I may ask?

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I've honestly lost count. I do this every single day for many years, so I've lost count of how many charts I've researched. It may be in the thousands.

posted November 05, 2012 11:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Lily:
I've honestly lost count. I do this every single day for many years, so I've lost count of how many charts I've researched. It may be in the thousands.

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So whats your take on 25 Leo? Will people with placements there be violent or spiritual?

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posted November 06, 2012 03:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Every second is highly significant.

Those with placements in the first 10 seconds of every minute - are the most likely to become astrologers. The rest - serial murderers.

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