posted January 23, 2019 02:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:

Its not "patriotism" that causes racism. Its fear for the unknown and bad experiences the person had real or not, that some connect to a whole religion, ethnicity etc. So look at the chart for that indicator. Fear of the unknown, and a blaming nature etc.

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posted January 23, 2019 02:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Hu_w_ryl_A:
@arcturus90

Thanks for the info!!

I have a boyfriend who isn't racist (or well, he shouldn't be, since I'm foreign ) but lately he was acting very weird and saying things like: Deutschland out of the blue (meaning: Germany) which is where he is from..

Anyhow, I just checked out his progressions and guess what - his progressed Mars is conjunct Patria in his natal!!

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posted January 24, 2019 10:14 PM            

I consider myself a racist to some (won't say who) but it's because all of the ones I've ever come close stink extremely (the superficial reason) or because of tge way they tend to behave as a majority (raping women like it's smth normal, having guns and killing people for nothing etc) When the majority is like that I do become a racist.

So my negative feelings are strong for the ones who do these kind of things not because of their nationality per se.

I would say Aquarians are the most racists ones imo but I don't have much experience though.

So I told my relatives about me seriously liking one black guy.
One (my uncle) was like "ok, I can't stand black people, I feel disgust just by looking at them but it's your choice" Of course if it was his daughter he wouldn't be that cool I know that for sure.
But for me it's kind of ok what he said because not liking someone is a matter of preference/tastes. Like I can't stand muscular guys.

But my grandpa.. He is full of Aqua with Mercury in Pisces. He thinks positevely in an innocent way. He is so pure and believes everything so easily like an innocent child. It's refreshing especially at his age.

When I told him about it, at first he thought I was joking because it seemed completely impossible to him. When he understood that I meant it he was in disbelief.. He told me
"You are so beautiful, such a good and smart girl, you have everything why would you choose the worst possible you can find? Why lowering yourself so much?"

I told him "How do I lower myself by choosing someone I like? Just because he is black? I am not even able to understand you, when I see black people I'm not even aware of our difference in color. I'm not conscious of it. To me it's like I am talking to any human being white/yellow/black/red. But you didn't even asked me about his personality and stuff which is the most important thing"

What he told me next made my mind go blank from shock.

"I don't even consider them human beings, they are worse than animals, they shouldn't exist"

I don't know how I was able to hold myself to not slap him. I'm very proud of how I controlled myself that moment because it was the third time in my life that I felt so enraged. I couldn't believe what I've heard. I was speechless.

Me: "It's the first time I feel so ashamed for someone, I feel ashamed to have you my grandpa"

It was his turn to go speechless.

Me: "Who do you think you are to talk for other human beings like that without knowing them or having any experience with them just based on their color? They didn't even choose their color like you didn't choose yours, it indicates absolutely nothing about their personalities. Just how can your heart stand saying such a hurtful thing in the first place? Actually I'm wondering if you even have one. You are the one who seems to like you are not a human being after what you just said"

I think he was processing what he said and understood both how wrong he was for having that kind of opinion. He felt guilty and kind of sad. Like he realised what he said and I think he was even more sad because he felt how much hearing something like that hurt me.
He now tells me that he would accept anyone if it was for me to be happy. He will will ask me how he's doing and mention him sometimes.

I think he is sad and ashamed himself for saying what he said. He must have thought about it a lot and realised how superficial and wrong his pov was. I sense it everytime I see his eyes when we mention the guy I like.
He really regrets it.

Uranus is the one to like foreign and different the most how is it possible for someone with that much Aqua to be like that. I don't care if they just dislike it but that's a very extreme and unfair feeling they have towards people they don't know at all.

posted January 24, 2019 10:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
everybody is a bit of a racist! Its not the end of the world

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Well this word has been a bit too stretched actually. Prefences make you a racist today.
You have to like and accept anything in order to not be considered a racist which is impossible.

posted January 25, 2019 11:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Well this word has been a bit too stretched actually. Prefences make you a racist today.
You have to like and accept anything in order to not be considered a racist which is impossible.

You don't like blonds you are a racist, you don't like fat people you are a racist, if you don't like something you are a racist today. You are not allowed to have a preference

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posted January 25, 2019 12:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
everybody is a bit of a racist! Its not the end of the world

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posted January 25, 2019 12:08 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturus90:
sure, preferences FOR LOVE is not racism. or it is, but not a big deal. But preferences in general, for example when you don't like fat people, it's racism. it's not a good excuse for not liking them

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posted January 25, 2019 04:43 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturus90:
asteroid "patria" is almost all the time prominent in racist people's chart. I can't help. If parities is not the cause of racism, maybe racist people are not really racist. except nazis and Hitler, for example.

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I don't know which country you are from our have grown up in, but I can tell you, swedes have not even an ounce of patriotism in their blood but they are amongst one of the worse when it comes to rasism, or "xenophobia" as we call it. In for ex Usa patriotism seems to play a role. Sweden is a very neutral country and the latest time we had war was 200 years ago! We don't have terrorism problems either.

Meaning, the citizens and swedes have not bonded together and gained an "identity" so to speak due to wars and bad times etc. They are pretty detached from patriotism all together. Patriotism is concidered to be something ugly in Sweden. So detached are they.

So why is racism so prominent here in Sweden?

Due to fear for the unknown. And media propoganda etc, as I explained in my earlier post . People are not openminded. They believe "west culture" is the best culture and west means liberating and freedom etc.

While my parents are from a mediterranean country wherei its very normal to love ones country. We love our home country. I would fight and die for my homeland! But we and our homeland people and culture are not racist.

Because racist means you think your race or country or culture is better then others. We don't believe that at all. We just love our home country very much and would defend it and die for it. And we unlike swedes, we love cultural mixes and other cultures. I would not say there is no racism at all, and sure there are close minded people in my homeland aswell! But overall, its a country where the people likes and invtes different cultures and are very curious about people. swedes are not that way. They like having their space and distance, and they don't like cultures different from theirs. They feel unsafe and feel fear. (Swedens rising is virgo, lol).

Anyways the subject racism I believe, can't be covered this way. There are so many books about this subject, and articles etc, and its still hard to desribe all the factors fully.

posted January 25, 2019 04:57 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturus90:
yeah maybe you're right. But after all, when we're racist, we just have to blame ourselves, not the people concerned. that's the difference between a tolerable racism and intolerable racism

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absolutely. and maybe we should examine natal charts of some, unfortunately, prominent members of this forum to gain some insights on the matter of racism or hatred toward other religions, mainly islam.

posted January 26, 2019 09:42 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I know someone who is really racist he has Venus in Taurus square Mars, Saturn, and Pluto in Leo.

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posted January 26, 2019 09:46 AM            

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Originally posted by squirrel:
absolutely. and maybe we should examine natal charts of some, unfortunately, prominent members of this forum to gain some insights on the matter of racism or hatred toward other religions, mainly islam.

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posted January 26, 2019 11:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Well this word has been a bit too stretched actually. Prefences make you a racist today.
You have to like and accept anything in order to not be considered a racist which is impossible.

You don't like blonds you are a racist, you don't like fat people you are a racist, if you don't like something you are a racist today. You are not allowed to have a preference

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Exactly! The word has lost is heaviness so to speak, when its used so carelessly left and right!

Often we talk about "Bias", Unconcious bias that is very veeery natural thing and its how our brains are wired. The important thing is to be more concious about ones bias.

posted September 11, 2022 11:18 AM            

Heavy topic here! I appreciate everyone's honesty. I'll read through this more later. Occupied at the moment.

But I'll add that throughout my teens & early 20's - I wasn't particularly crazy about White People. I had very mixed feelings about them. Some of my views were formed from experiences with passive-aggressive ones who rambled about being "colorblind" all while CLEARLY not being able to stop focusing on my race. Many would befriend me to prove how "cool" or "open" they were - instead of forming a genuine connection - like I was some sort of favorite pet of theirs. It was creepy AF! Lol.

I also had some POC around me who had an inferiority complex, blamed Whites for everything bad and wanted a Race War with them. I was told to never date a White Man because they are serial killers and he will chop me up into pieces and eat me! 😂

Growing up, I went to all kinds of schools. Ones that were primarily White. Ones that were primarily Black. Others that were balanced & mixed - which I honestly preferred. 👍🏾 I vividly remember the day that OJ Simpson was acquitted in the 90's. I was in 4th Grade at a mostly White School. My teacher was a middle-aged Black Woman who had our class watching live. When the verdict came back "Not Guilty" she shouted with glee and joy and had all of us kids jump up and down with her in celebration. We were so young and didn't really know any better. It's wild!

^^I remember that teacher was a Gemini. She was beloved & respected at this (somewhat prejudiced) White School. Her daughter was married to a White Man who she'd just had twins with. Yet deep down... my Teacher had some prejudices herself. Much duality going on there!!

Ultimately, I came to my own healthy conclusions about people & race by the time I reached age 24. 💜 I have so many experiences (from ALL angles) I could write a damn book! There are people I love from every background and people that I can't stand from every background. Including my own.

I truly enjoy learning about different cultures while *still* embracing MY own roots. ❤ It's awesome to me once you strike that balance! I've dated all kinds of men and race isn't going to stop me from a beautiful connection.

posted September 18, 2022 05:18 PM            

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Now this could get touchy and really offensive but i've always been curious about this .

Many racists seem to be so fixed with their views and some racists use the "im not racist but....."

Im Wondering what signs or placements would be indicitive of racism or narrowmindedness.

Im not going to look at a chart and say too much cardinal energy they must be racist .
but im just wondering if its even possible to find clues.

I know nobody is born racist or with prejudice and we are all capable of it but i think there is a difference between a person who is very prejudice and refuses to change and would even kill to support their beliefs than a person who couldn't give two and doesn't care.

Im talking extreme racism here like KKK level not just a mild disliking.

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This is such an exhausted and tired topic/claim. Absolutely no offense to you for posting this. I;m talking about in general. There is no placement for being "racist" and these younger generations especially americans are so out of touch with history its insane. I'm sorry its not wrong to prideful of your race. Black people are allowed to do it well so are white people. Everyone has prejudice against everyone it doesn't matter if they have a racial prejudice. Screaming racism about everything is a cop out and a cope. You can tell that americans don't have any real problems because they put so much emphasis on race and claim that absolutely everything is racist. Even if people are racist, there are 7 BILLION people in this world. EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinions and actions. Unfortunately, this is a cold world. Americans pretending that racial crimes are happening beyond black people vs white people not vice versa and black people vs asians is the real issue. Black Americans make up only 12% of the population but somehow commit over 52% of violent crimes. These are facts. There is no racial police bias when it is fact. America has a police brutality problem, period.

Anyway, didnt mean to go off on a rant but thinking that there would be a placement for "racism" is absurd. People will always have opinions even if they are rough. People will always commit crimes against others. That is the real world. Not this soy internet life that americans think is real. And the people in here trying to come up with a placement combination that would cause it is ridiculous. If anything, there would be a placement/s for people who are so closed minded or unintelligent that they think racism and racial differences are such a priority and focal point and huge issue for the world. Being open minded means you're awaare enough to understand that this whole RAYCISUM **** in america is nothing but spoiled brats playing the victim card like americans do with everything whether its race gender or oh no someone said something MEAN to me.

posted September 18, 2022 05:18 PM            

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Originally posted by lovehate122:
Now this could get touchy and really offensive but i've always been curious about this .

Many racists seem to be so fixed with their views and some racists use the "im not racist but....."

Im Wondering what signs or placements would be indicitive of racism or narrowmindedness.

Im not going to look at a chart and say too much cardinal energy they must be racist .
but im just wondering if its even possible to find clues.

I know nobody is born racist or with prejudice and we are all capable of it but i think there is a difference between a person who is very prejudice and refuses to change and would even kill to support their beliefs than a person who couldn't give two and doesn't care.

Im talking extreme racism here like KKK level not just a mild disliking.

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This is such an exhausted and tired topic/claim. Absolutely no offense to you for posting this. I;m talking about in general. There is no placement for being "racist" and these younger generations especially americans are so out of touch with history its insane. I'm sorry its not wrong to prideful of your race. Black people are allowed to do it well so are white people. Everyone has prejudice against everyone it doesn't matter if they have a racial prejudice. Screaming racism about everything is a cop out and a cope. You can tell that americans don't have any real problems because they put so much emphasis on race and claim that absolutely everything is racist. Even if people are racist, there are 7 BILLION people in this world. EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinions and actions. Unfortunately, this is a cold world. Americans pretending that racial crimes are happening beyond black people vs white people not vice versa and black people vs asians is the real issue. Black Americans make up only 12% of the population but somehow commit over 52% of violent crimes. These are facts. There is no racial police bias when it is fact. America has a police brutality problem, period.

Anyway, didnt mean to go off on a rant but thinking that there would be a placement for "racism" is absurd. People will always have opinions even if they are rough. People will always commit crimes against others. That is the real world. Not this soy internet life that americans think is real. And the people in here trying to come up with a placement combination that would cause it is ridiculous. If anything, there would be a placement/s for people who are so closed minded or unintelligent that they think racism and racial differences are such a priority and focal point and huge issue for the world. Being open minded means you're awaare enough to understand that this whole RAYCISUM **** in america is nothing but spoiled brats playing the victim card like americans do with everything whether its race gender or oh no someone said something MEAN to me.

posted September 19, 2022 07:26 PM            

There is a HUGE difference between cultural pride versus wilful ignorance & hate - no matter your skin color. 💯 And just because you are taught something doesn't mean that you have to stick with it. We ALL have free will to learn better & do better if we so choose.

BTW - While Black Men do indeed have higher rates of violent crime in America, Black Women DO NOT. And there are definitely crooked, narcissistic cops out there who need to be fired ASAP. But there are also really great cops out here as well. It varies.

posted September 22, 2022 04:55 PM            

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^^Stating that "everyone has prejudice against everyone it doesn't matter if they have a racial prejudice" - is the REAL copout here. And it's also inaccurate.

There is a HUGE difference between cultural pride versus wilful ignorance & hate - no matter your skin color. 💯 And just because you are taught something doesn't mean that you have to stick with it. We ALL have free will to learn better & do better if we so choose.

BTW - While Black Men do indeed have higher rates of violent crime in America, Black Women DO NOT. And there are definitely crooked, narcissistic cops out there who need to be fired ASAP. But there are also really great cops out here as well. It varies.

The primary thing that Americans need to focus on (regardless of race) is the breakdown of their family units & self-esteem. This erosion is opening up the door for our government to DESTROY us in so many ways as a whole.

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I agree that the breakdown of the family unit is a huge issue. Our government regularly issues division tactics especially when it comes to race, male vs female, and politics. As long as we are all arguing amongst ourselves, we won't be focused on the horrific things our government is doing behind the scenes and right under our noses.

However, I never said that whatever you were raised to believe is the way it is and can neverr/should never change. I'm also not excusing violent crime. What I AM saying, is that currently there is a Victim Olympics going on, everyone wants to be a victim everyone wants to claim that they are marginalized or oppressed. First of all, if you live in America, you are privileged, period. To claim that America's biggest problem is racism is ridiculous. and also yes of course there are cops that are racist and need fired. but to imply [and im not saying YOU are implying this im saying in general] to imply that cops in america are racist and have a racial agenda against black people in general is a cop out and a cope. Like I said it is a statistical fact that black men commit more violent crime than any other race even combined. To take it a step further, it is black on black crime that represents the majority of this statistic.

My point in my post is that no, there is no placement for "being racist" and I think it is ridiculous to put such an emphasis on racism that you'd think it would show up in a birth chart. It just isn't a concept that is embedded into our lives such as family life, career, self esteem, etc. I think that americans are so idk, inept, and faux progressive that they think oppression and racism are our main issue.

If anything, this whole obsession is what will cause a race war. Planting seeds into black americans heads that white people are out to get them and everything they do and say is rooted in racism causes a racial divide in itself. And when you take a population that is statistically more violent than the other, and tell them that these people want them dead, eventually they're going to react.

And then you have people so fixated on this narrative that then you have situations like George Floyd, where no one cares about the facts, they hear that a "black man was killed by police" and then they start literally destroying cities over this, when they don't even have all the information. Floyd died of a drug overdose. He had over 3x the lethal amount of fentanyl in his system. Hence the "i can't breathe" which if anyone watched the video, he was saying he couldnt breathe before he was even taken out of the car. For those who don't know, opiate overdose/deaths are caused by the depression of the respritory system. Literally causing you to not be able to breathe. These facts are important. Because we had an entire summer of riots and destruction and murder and chaos, all over misinformation. Just because they are so obsessed with muh raycism that they don't care about the facts, they want an excuse to riot and be "part of the movement"

facts don't matter in todays society.
the longer we makke the conscious choice that we're different and cannot co-exist, then we will never make any progress. it is us vs the elitists who are ruining this country adn the world.