posted October 31, 2012 08:19 PM            

Venus/Chiron between charts is also searching for a respite, this time in the other, which may never be found. You may never be my island of consolation, and if I’m to love you, I must accept that. I am hurt by what you value, because I may never measure up. I may never be beautiful to you, or feel beautiful in your presence. We may unintentionally hurt one another all the time, creating experiences that erode self-esteem. I may make you feel that what you value is not worthwhile. This aspect can cause us to act with one another as if we are walking on eggshells, never knowing when something poisonous may crawl out from underneath. When Chiron touches a planet, it is trying to expand the horizons of that planet, to teach it to be the most it can be–so sometimes Chiron does the hurting back. The process is painful (Venus always wants to be adored), but Chiron can open Venus to greater horizons and a greater scope of loving. When Chiron touches Venus, it can take us beyond the ordinary, ego-based realm of Venus to something altogether more exquisite.

In a way, you’re lucky if you have a Venus/Chiron double whammy–both Chirons acting with both Venuses. Although it ups the Chiron factor in this relationship, your difficulties in accepting one another as you are will be mutual. At its best, this relationship will teach you both about compassion and forgiveness. You will learn to accept what the other loves, desires, values. The good elements of Neptune can run high, even if neither of you have Neptune emphasized. You will learn, over time, to be kind to one another, and to avoid hurting one another unless it is absolutely necessary for the survival of the partnership. You will teach one another about the values of partnership. You will learn to appreciate one another in spite of your individual limitations–in fact, you may begin to celebrate the limitations of your partner and love the human flaws. If you’re very lucky, Chiron will teach you both a great deal about love itself, about love as a power, rather than simply an experience or an emotional state. Chiron to Venus may prevent you from ever feeling completely accepted and appreciated, but if you focus on the love you can give, rather than the love you receive, you may be surprised at how quickly those feelings disappear. Chiron is always willing to help us become a channel for greater wisdom.

If either Chiron or Venus is terribly challenged in the individual charts, this road will be more rocky and the path not so clear. In this situation, it’s best to just let small hurts ride and focus on the larger issues between you. Chiron works best when we get our egos out of the way. With Chiron, we need to focus on what we are willing to sacrifice, which may very well be our own petty behaviour. When Chiron is involved with Venus, we may be asked to sacrifice our mundane desires for something more in line with what our soul is whispering to us in the night.

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posted April 29, 2013 05:50 AM            

Its always the same story... the man hits on me, I fall for him, then he turns cold and I pine for him for a long time.

With this Pisces I have Venus-Chiron conjunction (my Aries Chiron conjuncts his Aries venus) and his Aqua Chiron squares my Scorpio Venus. There are tons of other Chiron interaspects as well... He flirted with me persistently and when I developed feelings he said that he can be only friend (he is married). I couldnt help to fall for him, the pull was so strong.

posted April 29, 2013 09:38 PM            

Unfortunately I'm not very good at expressing my emotions to others..

But I will try.... So forgive me, if its not just right..

My Chiron makes a tsqaure to his Venus/Pluto square.

I'm not going to say there hasn't been pain involved, yes there is, but the pain is more about learning and acceptance, which is actually healing my heart..

The hurt came from my inner self, not from him, but from me trying to figure things out...

I admit I have had my fair share if relationship issues..
I have jumped from one LTR to another, honestly it's not cuz I wanted to be with the person, but cuz they wanted to be with me...
I never really felt "love" for anyone... Don't get me wrong I cared, and thought I loved...
But I never fallen head over heels in love...
Like butterflies, and wanting to do anything for the person, being unselfish.... Etc etc...
I never really believed, didn't think it was real, figured it was just people's imagination.. Lust maybe...
Idk for sure... Either way I never gave my heart to anyone..

I'm 40 yrs old, was married and in a relationship with him for over 13yrs..
Lived with 2 other men prior to that...

But still never putting my heart into it...

Then bam, this one guy pops into my life and totally mesmerizes me..
Idk what aspect for sure it is...

Anyways, for the first time in my life, I feel... I understand what feelings are, and just maybe what love is actually suppose to feel like..
That was very traumatic for me, to accept my own feelings.. I tried every form of denial, but no matter what I tried, the pain of it all hit me even harder...
The more I fought it, the worse it got...
My head was lost in a spiral of denial and pain and confusion..
It took me over a year to accept my own feelings...
Once I had acceptance, I had to handle and deal..

Honestly I didn't even know that I could feel that deeply..
I didn't even know I had it in me....
I also didn't know that another human being could make some one feel so much...

So the road to healing was painful, but I know how to feel now, and what feelings actually mean..
That feelings are not part if the imagination. Feelings are real, and its something u have to accept and deal with one way or another....

So to my fishy, I can say thank u for giving me my feelings back...
Do I believe we are going to end up together??
No, I don't... But regardless he's still apart of my life, and I cherish him for what he has done to me, even if he doesn't know how deeply he has effected me...

He is my soulmate (prob not life long) he guided my soul to true feelings...

Idk, why we still remain in contact everyday... Maybe there is more to learn, maybe at worst our friendship will be enduring..
Only time will tell...
When I talk, ask questions about him, for the most part it's me trying to get in touch with my inner self, and feelings...

I know I still have a long way to go, to get in touch with my own feelings..
But u know what???
That's ok...
I'm willing to do that now....
Maybe one day, someone else will come along and I can feel even more for that person...

I have to think, fishy is my guide to get me ready for real love...
At least now I know, how to recognize it!!!

posted April 30, 2013 01:30 AM            

The only person I had this aspect with was in a conjunction. It was the most painful relationship of my life. My Chiron. His Venus. Conjunct exactly, though my Chiron was retro.

But, I am not sure I should blame Chiron/Venus for all the pain. We also had other intense aspects such as
Saturn conjunct Neptune,
North Node Conjunct South Node,
His Mars conjunct my Venus exactly, though his Mars was retro.
Moon oppose moon
My Saturn opposing his Jupiter and square his sun.
Oh, and the kicker: his Chiron conjunct my ascendant.

posted April 30, 2013 04:27 AM            

I still believe that this aspect is a wonderful thing to have, like Lioness mentioned. I agree with her.

When I think back to my previous relationships that hurt me (and where some Chiron-Venus aspects were also present (never a conjunction though), but I noticed that later), they were mainly coloured by difficult Saturn and Pluto aspects, and I got very hurt and couldnt let go, and imposed myself on the other person, until it got really ugly~~~

But in these relations I never felt the "openness" I feel with Chiron-Venus conjunction.

Before the actual Chiron-Venus conjunction I experienced the same aspect with another man, but we didnt have Saturn ties and there was zero physical chemistry. I started to smile at someone and he started smiling back and then we had some kind of emotional connection that lasted for years, working in the same building... I felt such happyness and total openness towards him. I dont know why he started having this conversations with me because it came out that he was married. Then we just chatted sometimes in the cafeteria... but I felt the Chiron-Venus extraordinary openness.

With the current Chiron-Venus it is diffcult to let go first because I dont believe in letting go... you love someone until you love someone. I dont pursue him in any way. Second, he does things to continue to see me... All I can say is that when I feel that I would like to punch his head for the hurt, I feel that I MUST be kind and loving to him and leave all my hurt and pride aside. That is all.

posted April 30, 2013 07:46 AM            

The KICKER My chiron conjunct his ascendant (1*)

Hm.. I don't know what to say right now, it's all a bit of what's already said here... and I can't help but think in Magi terms now (that's where I got my focus on his aspect from); the mitigating circumstances under certain conditions when you have the *CLASH* (square/opp.) in synastry. Like already having a Chiron clash aspect in your natal (one or both) or having Geometry in which this clash-aspect is better to handle (a trine from the chiron-person to a planet of the other)... so it doesn't have to be a kiss of death .. ensured of lifelong attraction (whether mitigated circumstances or not).. it's just not really marriage-prone according to them.. but let's be honest, they're pretty focused on the institute *marriage*.. verry traditional.. and marrying me?? NO way!

Edit@
My conclusion is this; if you can *accept* the circumstances as they already *are* so not wanting to *force* anything .. and be *truly* happy with how it *IS*.. it's verrry good to deal with!

Verry very simple, but I can't make more of it

It doesn't mean *denying* your needs etc., ofcourse!
Well, I'm pretty sure you can *deny* for a certain period of time, but that's IT; a *certain period* as there's an absolute limit to what one can bear.

If there's some sort of 'struggle' between both and there's NO *progression* within a very reasonable period of time (in one way or another) ... then I would say; forget it, spare your time and health.

posted May 01, 2013 05:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
I'd say a hard Chiron/Venus aspect differs greatly from a soft one. Hard aspects may wind up being quite painful, like someone intentionally or unintentionally bumping your sore spot. But the soft ones tend to be soothing and encouraging... Like someone putting balm or ointment on your wound. I don’t think you can put all Chiron/Venus aspects in the same category.

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I agree.

My own experience is that hard aspects squares and oppositions are the ones that can end up being painful, but I´d still say that those were the most memorable people in my life and the ones I came to love the most.

I have a tight venus opposition chiron in natal. I really think that the natal chart decides how this aspect will play out. I´ve seen synastries with venus opposition chiron that were not significant relationships. But for me personaly - when I´ve had venus (me) opposite mans chiron in synastry, that came to be a very significant relationship, and even venus square chiron.

I felt so loved by these men, and they made me feel lovable. BUT when other things didn´t work out I felt SO rejected, ugly and unlovable. This happened with my ex (I had the opposition with him). Now, even after the relationship ended we are still connected. And he cares about me forever. Chiron really does love venus, the way you love a vulnerable child, and it goes both ways. However, it just didn´t work. It was the impossible dream in this case.

But with the venus square chiron it was just hurtful, even if there was love underneath it all. I got so burned, but it made me face my wounds. Actually I started going to therapy after that relationship, and it changed my life.

posted January 31, 2014 12:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
The process is painful (Venus always wants to be adored), but Chiron can open Venus to greater horizons and a greater scope of loving. When Chiron touches Venus, it can take us beyond the ordinary, ego-based realm of Venus to something altogether more exquisite.

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Originally posted by jjj:
But in these relations I never felt the "openness" I feel with Chiron-Venus conjunction.
Before the actual Chiron-Venus conjunction I experienced the same aspect with another man, but we didnt have Saturn ties and there was zero physical chemistry. I started to smile at someone and he started smiling back and then we had some kind of emotional connection that lasted for years, working in the same building... I felt such happyness and total openness towards him. I dont know why he started having this conversations with me because it came out that he was married. Then we just chatted sometimes in the cafeteria... but I felt the Chiron-Venus extraordinary openness.

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yep the openness I experience that with Chiron-Venus (husband's Venus, my Chiron)
Chiron definitely opens Venus to 'greater horizon and scopes'.

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Originally posted by mir:
Like already having a Chiron clash aspect in your natal (one or both)

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yes natal aspects also significant before looking at synastry. I have Chiron trine Uranus natally and husband has Chiron conj Venus natally. it's crazy how much I can see Chiron at play in our lives! and then obviously all other aspects on top of it but Chiron is almost the major theme

posted August 26, 2018 04:25 AM            

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Originally posted by jjj:
I struggle with Venus-Chiron again.

Its always the same story... the man hits on me, I fall for him, then he turns cold and I pine for him for a long time.

With this Pisces I have Venus-Chiron conjunction (my Aries Chiron conjuncts his Aries venus) and his Aqua Chiron squares my Scorpio Venus. There are tons of other Chiron interaspects as well... He flirted with me persistently and when I developed feelings he said that he can be only friend (he is married). I couldnt help to fall for him, the pull was so strong.

The situation is impossible, but life wants us to see each other... we share the same activities, we will be soon working in the same building. Im wondering what is the lesson behind all this?? what the hell!

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