posted November 26, 2012 07:02 AM            

I appreciate you doing that, though it is really not necessary.

On the other hand it is great to have a "text-book-example" for further analysis.

it just made me grin inwardly (well, a bit of a sad grin), when I saw how clearly the astrology was speaking in this instance.

Usually comparisions are more ambiguous. But really unaspected 5th, 7th and 8th house ruler? honestly have never seen that before in an existing relationship!

posted November 26, 2012 08:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am posting the natal charts.

My friend:

her Ex.

The chart of her husband (married for 8 years, together for about 12 years - it is hard to tell. lol)

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With the lady (Ms Virgo) and her ex (Mr. Libra), when I compare the synastry to what she has with her current partner (Mr. Capricorn), I can definitely see the difference!

FIRST, I’LL TALK ABOUT THE SYNASTRY IN GENERAL

Even without going into the whole house related synastry stuff, the interplanetary synastry alone with Mr. Libra has some serious missing points.

The first thing that strikes me is that Mr. Libra has Venus, Mars, and the Sun all conjunct in Libra… He has a lot of pent up creative, sexual, and affectionate energy naturally from his natal chart, and she doesn’t aspect this at all. He may have felt unable to express his full intensity to his partner. For men, they seem to need to be able to express some aspect of their masculinity towards their lady, either the Sun, or Mars, or both. The reverse seems to be true for women, they need either Venus, or the Moon, or both, aspected by a man in synastry to ‘Feel Like A Women’ in the relationship. In the synastry of Ms Virgo and Mr. Libra they had a Moon/Moon trine, and her Venus/Mars conjunction sextiling his Moon/North Node conjunction. She may have been unaware of his frustration of not being able to express his ‘Manhood’ toward her for some time, because in her case both of her female planets were activated by him. Also, Ms Virgo has a Venus/Mars conjunction in Libra much like Mr. Libra does, but in her case she is able to express her intensity toward him because her Venus/Mars aspects the Moon/North Node conjunction in his chart. She had somewhere to put her energy. He didn’t. He may have felt that if he can’t be the man that he truly feels he is with her, then why are they together? His Moon sextile her Mars/Venus conjunct Pluto indicates a physical attraction which probably pulled them together in the first place… But as time went by he would have started to realize that something was missing. There’s a whole part of his personality as a man that was inaccessible to her.

Mr. Libra and Ms Virgo both have Venus/Mars conjunctions in Libra so they both probably have an attractive vibe about them… And as you mentioned they have their 10th house rulers conjunct, so yeah, looking good, and looking good together for that matter, was probably what allowed the relationship to continue as long as it did. Along with the comfort and security provided by the Moon/Moon trine, and the stability created by his Saturn sextile her Sun, and her Saturn trine his Moon. Also, in Mr. Libra’s case, his Moon/North Node conjunction was heavily aspected by Ms Virgo in synastry (by her Venus, Mars, Saturn, Neptune, and Pluto). Even if he may have felt he couldn’t fully connect with her, he may have felt that he was learning something important from her, like she showed him the way toward something. This feeling would have been increased by the fact that her Cancer Asc is sextile to his Taurus Vertex. He may have hung in there because there was a feeling that his destiny unfolding during the beginning of his association with Ms Virgo. My theory is that he started to get restless after he felt he’d learned all he could from their relationship, and started longing for a women he could express his full masculinity towards.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Eventually he left her (well, he didn`t really "leave", he pushed her to draw the line so he could remain the feeling of being "not guilty") for a girl/ woman who has Sun-Venus-conjunction in Libra falling right onto his stellium in 1st house and they are still together.

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I’m not surprised he went for someone that activated his Venus/Mars/Sun/Uranus conjunction in Libra. It’s probably what he was craving.

In the synastry with Mr. Capricorn the situation is quite different. Again, Ms Virgo has both her Moon and Venus aspected in the synastry. There’s a nice harmonious Moon/Moon aspect with his Moon in Aquarius sextile her Moon in Aries. Her Moon is also conjunct his Jupiter (A very happy, warm aspect). Her Venus/Mars conjunction is tightly trine Mr. Capricorn’s Pluto and sextile his Neptune. She has the exact same configuration in her chart because they are similar in age, so I looked to see what else he brought to the table for her Venus/Mars… His Asc/Sun conjunction is square her Venus/Mars conjunction by 1 and 2 degrees respectively, his Moon is trine her Venus/Mars conjunction by 4 degrees, and his Jupiter is oppose it by 4 degrees. These connections aren’t all as harmonious as I’d like, but they still give her Venus/Mars something to work with. This is important. It also helps that they have a magnetic Asc/Asc opposition which is a strong indication of simply longing to ‘be together’ with the other person. The two people involved may feel like they are the other half of each other. She expresses her Cancer Asc, which is perfectly opposite to his Capricorn Asc/Sun conjunction. These two balance each other out in a very basic, primal kind of way. An Asc/Asc aspect is like cosmic super glue, as it indicates that face to face interaction with the other person is part of everyday reality.

From his side, he has his Sun in Capricorn conjunct her Dsc, and opposing her Asc, as well his Sun square her Moon. The Sun/Asc aspect is very nice, and would pull them together as previously mentioned. The Sun/Moon aspect is challenging but at least he can ‘Feel’ her with his Sun. Actually, Sun/Moon aspects create very strong attractions because the Sun is masculine and the Moon is feminine. Squares are funny aspects in that they can indicate either intense attraction or repulsion… Or even both, at the same time (squares are very dramatic, drastic aspects). When intense attraction results, the person with the masculine planet usually chases the person with the feminine planet. It wouldn’t be surprising if in the beginning he wanted her pretty BAD, and really went after her. Mr. Capricorn’s Mars in Gemini is activated in the comparison too, again with both a challenging aspect, and a more harmonious aspect. His Mars is square to her Virgo Sun which is a rather passionate, energetic connection. And his Mars is sextile her Aries Moon which is a very intimate connection. He is able to ‘Feel’ his Mars energy as a man when he is with her.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
She eventually gave in to the avances of a Capricorn-friend, married him and has been happier and more relaxed and secure than ever. (married for 8 years, together for about 12 years - it is hard to tell. lol)

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It’s no shocker that HE was the one making advances, while the SHE was the one who ‘Gave In’ in this scenario. Masculine planets in hard aspects to female planets CHASE.

The synastry between Ms Virgo and Mr. Capricorn is certainly more balanced then that of Ms Virgo and Mr. Libra (in a way that has NOTHING to with Sun sign comparisons). In this synastry Mr. Capricorn has his masculine side appropriately activated by her, while Ms Virgo has her feminine side appropriately activated by him. He feels like the man, and she feels like the women. There are some hard aspects in the synastry, which can lead to conflict. But these also promote activity and lessen the tendency to get bored with each other. Plus, these hard aspects are balanced with a nice mix of soft or magnetic ones for stability and harmony. Like Asc/Asc, Moon/Moon, Moon/Mars, Moon/Jupiter, Sun/Dsc, Mercury/Jupiter, Mercury/Venus, Jupiter/Saturn, Saturn/Pluto, a wide Sun/Sun trine, and Venus opposite Jupiter… Which is very sweet and enthusiastic even if it’s not traditionally harmonious. (Note: I didn’t go into detail about all of these aspects otherwise this reading would turn into mini novel!). Just about every planet in her chart has at least one aspect to his chart, and vice versa. The energy between these two is very interactive and connected. This gives the relationship a powerful impact and greater lasting strength. And I can’t help but admire that each of them has their Jupiter strongly aspected within the synastry. Positive mutual liking, generosity, and friendship comes naturally for them.

It’s my personal belief that in synastry hard aspects are better then no aspects at all. At least then the people involved have feelings about each other. No aspect means no energy exchange! No feelings! Mr. Libra’s Sun/Venus/Mars conjunction all being completely left out the equation in the synastry was a big problem. It’s like his entire sexual identity of being ignored. That’s not her fault. Her chart shows she has a lot of charm and charisma (Venus/Mars/Pluto conjunction sextile Neptune, and square her Asc/Dsc)… The energy between them was just not connecting on all the right (and for him necessary) levels. Mutual long lasting interest would have been difficult to maintain.

posted November 26, 2012 08:30 AM            

MR. LIBRA TO MS VIRGO

Mr. Libra has Aquarius on the 5th house cusp ruled by Uranus in Libra, and co-ruled by Saturn in Cancer (Jupiter in the 5th house). Aries on the 7th house cusp ruled by Mars in Libra, and Taurus on the 8th house cusp ruled by Venus in Libra.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The thing that always struck me was how the rulers of his 5th house (URanus), 7th house (Mars) and 8th house (Venus) are ALL unaspected by her natal chart!

I think what might have make him inclined to have a relationship with her might have been her Moon conjunct his DESC, and the reason it went as long as it did, may be found in their Moon-synastry. They were like "family", or at least she was quite dependent on the seemingly emotional security of this relationship (which was not all that secure anyway).

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Yes. There are symbolism matches in the comparison between Ms Virgo and Mr. Libra's 5th, 7th, and 8th houses... But not enough 'energy' exchange with these houses between their charts by aspect.

Ms Virgo's symbolism matches to Mr. Libra's preferences is probably what attracted his attention to begin with. His 5th, 7th, and 8th house rulers are all in Libra and she has a massive stellium of Mercury, Venus, Mars and Pluto all in Libra. His Aries Dsc is conjunct her Aries Moon by 4 degrees (from his 6th house). His 7th house ruler Mars is conjunct his Sun and she has Venus, Mars, Uranus and Pluto all in the 5th house (the Leo/Sun house). This is a symbolic link to his 7th house. Her Moon in the 11th house is a symbolic link to his Aquarius 5th house cusp.

However aspect-wise, it's true, that his primary 5th house ruler, 7th house ruler, and 8th house ruler, are all left unaspected by her chart. The situation would have been totally different if she had a late Aries Moon actually in his 7th house opposing his Libra Sun/Venus/Mars/Uranus. Then for him the chemistry probably would haven been outrageously good. Sadly, though, this wasn't the case. Although she has some strong symbolism matches with his preferences, she has no planets actually in his 5th, and 7th houses, and no aspects to the primary rulers of these houses. Her Jupiter is in his 8th house, but it's not aspecting anything in his chart... And, again, she doesn't aspect the ruler of his 8th house either. She has a good balance of the personality characteristics that he likes, but for him the romantic chemistry (energy) was rather flat.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
She may have seemed like his type actually with his 5th house, 7th and 8th house ruler in LIbra in 1st house (and her Stellium in Libra plus Moon in Aries etc.), but the ACTUAL chemistry was scarce - due to the lack of interaspects.

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It looks that way.

I checked some secondary indicators of attraction from his side to see what I could find...

If you include Saturn in Cancer as co-ruler of his Aquarius the 5th house cusp, then there is a 5th house symbolism match to her Cancer Asc. His Saturn is also sextile to her Virgo Sun very tightly in the synastry. Saturn is not the primary ruler of Aquarius but if you include it as a co-ruler there is a MILD link… It's also worth noting that his 11th house functions as his secondary 5th house... Her Sun in Virgo falls into his 11th house (his secondary 5th house), and aspects his 5th house co-ruler. This tells me that there would have been some early chemistry from his side. It's not overwhelmingly strong, but he was certainly not immune to her either. In the beginning of the relationship at least, he may have been looking her way thinking 'Hubba Hubba!'

The secondary indications for his 7th house were not as promising however. His 7th house cusp is Aries, Aries rules the 1st house... She has no planets in his 1st house, or aspecting his 1st house ruler.

The secondary indications for his 8th house were a little better. His 8th house is Taurus, Taurus rules the 2nd house... She has Neptune her 10th house ruler in his second house conjunct his Moon (his 10th house ruler) and sextiling his 2nd house ruler Pluto in Libra (Scorpio on the 2nd house cusp). His Pluto is exactly conjunct her 4th house ruler Mercury, and more widely conjunct her Libra Venus/Mars. This tells me that they did have some degree of intimate chemistry, and that he may have liked how she talked, her reputation, and where she came form/ her background... And thought that these qualities made her sexy.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Anyway, what struck me as very obvious here also is the fact that his MC-ruler was conjunct her MC-ruler, and indeed, they "looked good" together, and the public image their relationship had was definitely a big factor for them.
There was a lot of apparent commitment, but it was like it was PRAGMA without a real relationship basis. Almost no EROS.

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Since his 10th house ruler is nataly in his 2nd house, which functions as his secondary 8th house... It's possible that he was very attracted by the fact that they did look good together, and had unified 10th house energy. Kind of like he got off on that somehow in an 8th house kind of way, and it was part of the glue that kept him with her. A shared reputation falls under the umbrella of an 8th house (shared resources) type of connection.

posted November 26, 2012 08:55 AM            

Ms Virgo has Libra in the 5th house cusp ruled by Venus in Libra (Pluto, Venus, Mars and Uranus are all in Libra in her 5th house), Capricorn on the 7th house ruled by Saturn in Leo, and Capricorn also on the 8th house cusp ruled by Saturn in Leo.

Mr. Libra was very much a 5th house type of man for her. His Asc, Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Uranus are all in her 5th house in Libra and Scorpio (Mercury). And her 5th house ruler Venus in Libra is sextile to his Sagittarius Moon by 1 degree… She very likely adored him, was impressed with him, was proud to be with him, and had romantic feelings towards him while they were together. Her 5th house is strongly impacted by him both symbolically and aspect wise.

Mr. Libra also impacts Ms Virgo’s 7th and 8th house ruler with his Moon. Her 7th and 8th house ruler Saturn in Leo trines his Moon. Symbolism wise, his Moon in the 2nd house matches her 7th and 8th house ruler Saturn in her 2nd house.

However, Mr. Libra has no Capricorn or Leo in his chart, so I looked into secondary indicators to see what I could find to strengthen Mr. Libra’s connection to her 7th and 8th houses.

She has Capricorn on both the 7th, and 8th houses, Capricorn rules the 10th house… In Ms Virgo’s chart Pisces is on the 10th house cusp ruled by Neptune in Sagittarius. Mr. Libra’s Sagittarius Moon is conjunct Ms Virgo’s Neptune by 1 degree. Mr. Libra also has Jupiter in Pisces in her 10th house, only apart from a wide trine to Uranus, his Jupiter doesn’t have any significant aspects to her chart.

What stands out to me about this comparison is that his Moon was like a major hook for Ms Virgo that attracted her to him. His Moon aspects her 5th, 7th, and 8th rulers (the 7th and 8th rulers being the same), and his Moon is conjunct her secondary 7th house ruler. There is a strong symbolism match to all of Mr. Libra’s Libra planets and yet the only Libra planet of his that she actually aspects was his Pluto, ruler of his 2nd house (which I already talked about above). It’s like she was over-reliant on a certain part of his psyche to keep the energy between the two of them flowing. The security and comfort of his Moon with a big attraction point, and motivating factor for her choosing to be with him. Sometimes she probably sensed that there were certain parts of him that she couldn’t access, and perhaps this was frustrating for her. Even if she was overly dependent of a certain part of his chart, the fact remains that she at least has her 5th, 7th, and 8th houses aspected by his chart, and her 5th house was filled up by him. This tells me that she had strong feelings for him while they were together, and was probably saddened that she couldn’t seem to reach all of him. The synastry supports that she felt more for him then he felt for her.

posted November 26, 2012 08:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am posting the natal charts.

My friend:

The chart of her husband (married for 8 years, together for about 12 years - it is hard to tell. lol)

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MR. CAPRICORN TO MS VIRGO

Mr. Capricorn has Gemini on the 5th house cusp ruled by Mercury in Aquarius (Mars in Gemini is in the 5th house), Cancer on the 7th house cusp ruled Moon in Aquarius (Saturn Leo in the 7th house), and Virgo on the 8th house cusp ruled by Mercury in Aquarius (Pluto in the 8th house).

Ms Virgo does have a good dose of symbolism matches to Mr. Capricorn’s chart. Aspect-wise there are also some strong connections. Mr. Capricorn, unlike Mr. Libra, can actually ‘Feel’ Ms Virgo with his 5th, 7th, and 8th house rulers.

Mr. Capricorn has his Mars in the 5th house. This is a symbolism match with Ms Virgo’s Aries Moon energy. His 5th house ruler Mercury is in Aquarius, which symbolically matches her Moon in the 11th house (Actually the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses in Mr. Capricorn’s chart are all ruled by planets in Aquarius in the 1st house, so her 11th house Aries Moon comes in really handy for this comparison. Her Moon would really grab his attention). In his chart Mercury is sextile to his natal Venus and opposite his natal Saturn. She has a stellium in Libra, and her Libra Venus/Mars is tightly sextile to Saturn. His natal aspects to his 5th house ruler symbolically match the character of her natal chart. In his chart Mercury is the ruler of both the 5th and the 8th houses, so the influence is doubled…. Aspect wise her Jupiter in Gemini is trine his 5th house ruler Mercury, and I think it’s also relevant that his 5th house ruler is being aspected by a planet in Gemini, when Gemini is the sign on his 5th house cusp. Her Gemini Jupiter reinforces his 5th house cusp energy with a positive, happy vibe. Alternatively, her Sun in Virgo squaring his Gemini Mars in the 5th house would rile up his 5th house energy. This is a challenging aspect but it does give him something to get excited and worked up about with regards to her… She spurs him into action.

His 7th house cusp is Cancer and her Cancer Asc is conjunct his Dsc by 2 degrees. They have a tight Asc/Asc opposition where each person’s Asc (persona) mirrors what the other partner needs relationship-wise. I mentioned this aspect before in the general discussion of the synastry. This is a very powerful and magnetic relationship building aspect. Her Cancer Asc is exactly the response/attitude he is looking for from a partner. His Cancer Dsc means he is looking for someone to provide an emotional, intuitive outlook in response to his more pragmatic, realistic outlook. Her Cancer Asc is both a very strong symbolism match, and an aspect match, to his 7th house attraction pattern.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Her Capricorn has his Sun-ASC-conjunction right on her DESC; his Moon rules his DESC, and opposes her 7th and 8th house ruler, Saturn.
Though astrologybooks will tell you to stay away from Moon-SAturn-oppositions, with their strong Saturnian charts it seems to be exactly what they need and what provides the necessary security to them.

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Yes.

His 7th house ruler is the Moon in Aquarius which is tightly sextile to her Aries Moon, and opposite to her Saturn in Leo. As it happens Saturn is her 7th house ruler… So even though Moon/Saturn aspects are not considered ideal, in this case the configuration includes his 7th house ruler being opposite her 7th house ruler. This is actually a positive connection, and would produces a feeling similar to Venus opposite Venus. Well, maybe a little more harsh then an actual Venus/Venus aspect because of the nature of the planets involved, but the chemistry of having complimentary relationship needs, and the sense of liking and appreciating the other person, would still be very evident in the comparison. Mr. Capricorn and Ms Virgo would feel well suited to each other because of this aspect… Like they are both able to bring something worthwhile to the table that the other person needs within the partnership.

More about the Moon/Moon sextile… In her chart the Moon rules her 1st house, while in his chart the Moon rules his 7th house. An aspect between the 1st house ruler in one person’s chart and the 7th house ruler in the other person’s chart it a potent tie when it comes to generating attraction. There’s an echo here of a Mars/Venus aspect except with houses rulers. It’s a flirty kind of connection. And they have an interesting reversal with their Moon signs and houses. Mr. Capricorn has Moon in Aquarius in the 1st house, while Ms Virgo has Moon in Aries in the 11th house. Since the Moon is his 7th house ruler, this strengthens even more her match to his 7th house symbolism (and his 5th and 8th house symbolism, because Mercury is also in Aquarius in the 1st house).

On a house ruler level they have both Venus/Venus (7th house ruler/7th house ruler) and Venus/Mars (1st house ruler/7th house ruler) aspects. This is very good chemistry for a Marriage.

Another thing I’d like to note is that Mr. Capricorn has the entire sign of Leo intercepted in the 7th house, so we can include this as part of the energy that he is attracted to. He’d have a predilection for Cancer/Leo types. Ms Virgo not only has a Cancer Asc, but also a stellium of planets in the 5th house (the Leo/Sun house), and Saturn in Leo (her 7th house ruler) falling into his 7th house and aspecting his Moon, Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto. She mirrors the Leo part of his 7th house as well as the Cancer part. Another symbolism match. Mr. Capricorn himself has Saturn in Leo in the 7th house and it’s tightly sextile to Ms Virgo’s Gemini Jupiter… She more then likely really approves of his serious relationship attitudes.

Mr. Capricorn has Virgo on the cusp of the 8th house, and Ms Virgo has her Sun in Virgo in his 8th house. A very obvious symbolism match that indicates that he is intimately attracted to her, and that she turns him on. Her Virgo Sun energy fascinates him and makes him curious about her inner workings. Mercury in Aquarius is his 8th house ruler, which as mentioned before, trines her Jupiter. This indicates that for him the majority of their private life is happy and cooperative.

All in all, the synastry indicates that Mr. Capricorn is very attracted to Ms Virgo. She is his type through symbolism matches, and she has good chemistry with him though aspects to all his 5th, 7th, and 8th house rulers, her Asc conjunct his Dsc, and her Sun sitting in his 8th house.

I looked into some secondary house related indicators of attraction to see if this attraction is further reinforced.

Mr. Capricorn has Gemini on the 5th house cusp, Gemini rules the 3rd house cusp, in his chart his 5th house cusp falls in Aries… Ms Virgo’s Moon in Aries is conjunct his 3rd house cusp and Jupiter (This connection is actually kind of spooky. His 3rd house cusp is at 16 Aries while her Moon is at 15 Aries. I mean Wow). She really reinforces the romantic energy of his 5th house.

Mr. Capricorn’s 7th house cusp is Cancer, Cancer rules the 4th house, in his chart he has Taurus on the 4th house cusp ruled by Venus in Sagittarius… Ms Virgo doesn’t really have any symbolism matches to this (apart from Saturn in her natal 2nd house)… But her Jupiter is opposite his secondary 7th house ruler Venus, reinforcing a warm congenial 7th house chemistry with him.

Mr. Capricorn has Virgo on the 8th house cusp, Virgo rules the 6th house, in his chat he has Gemini on the 6th house cusp ruled by Mercury in Aqua… So the story here is pretty much the same as what is going on with his primary 8th and 5th houses… There’s that nice Jupiter /Mercury trine again being given some added importance in the synastry. Her positive attitude, and openness to what he has to say, is very pleasing for him with regard to a happy private life, and this about her probably impresses him too (the 5th house connection).

posted November 26, 2012 09:20 AM            

Okay so we’ve been though this before, but for the sake of refreshing our memories…

Ms Virgo has Libra in the 5th house cusp ruled by Venus in Libra (Pluto, Venus, Mars and Uranus are all in Libra in her 5th house), Capricorn on the 7th house ruled by Saturn in Leo, and Capricorn also on the 8th house cusp ruled by Saturn in Leo.

If Mr. Libra was Ms Virgo’s 5th house kind of man, Mr. Capricorn is totally her 7th house kind of man. He is literally dripping with 7th house symbolism for her. Again we have that Asc/Asc opposition at work. Only from her side he has both his Sun and Asc in Capricorn conjunct her Capricorn Dsc. He definitely has a good dose of what she would consider ‘Relationship Material’. Interestingly, her Capricorn Dsc is ruled by Saturn in Leo, and Mr. Capricorn mirrors this with his Sun conjunct the Asc in Capricorn, ruled by Saturn also in Leo. He would project very much a Leo/Capricorn type of persona and he has a strong symbolism match to her 7th house. Her Saturn in Leo ruling her 7th house aspects his 7th house ruler Moon in Aquarius, as mentioned before in the previous section, and also trines his Jupiter and Neptune, and sextiles his Pluto. Her 7th house is strongly activated by him in the synastry. This indicates that Ms Virgo really likes Mr. Capricorn and sees him as a worthy and suitable partner for her.

I went into so much detail about the house ruler synastry in the previous section, that I won’t spend too much time on it here. Suffice it to say that her Dsc conjunct his Sun/Asc, their 7th house rulers being opposite, and the 1st house ruler/ 7th house ruler aspect, would be just as potent for her as they are for him.

There’s not much point in me doing a separate section for the 8th house, because Ms Virgo has both her 7th and 8th house cusps in Capricorn. All the things I just outlined for the 7th chemistry and symbolim matches also apply for the 8th house (with the exception of his Sun/Asc conjunction on top of her Dsc. That part really is just for the 7th house. The symbolism stuff and house ruler aspects apply for the 8th as well though). This indicates that she does find him intimately attractive, and that his Capricorn/Leo like traits make her feel comfortable opening up to him about private things. His Aquarius Moon opposite her 8th house ruler indicates that she finds him attentive to her on an emotional level, and that he’s considerate of her concerns within the relationship.

I looked into her secondary 7th and 8th house to see what else I could find.

With Capricorn on the 7th, and 8th house cusps, as mentioned before, Pisces on the 10th house cusp, ruled by Neptune in Sagittarius, functions as a secondary Dsc and 8th house for Ms Virgo. Mr. Capricorn aspects her Neptune tightly with his own Neptune and Pluto, his 2nd house and 10th house rulers. These also aspect her primary 7th house ruler. Perhaps she is particularly attracted to his ability to provide. Her Neptune also aspects his Moon and Jupiter with a slightly wider orb (4 degrees). And, there is a symbolism match between his Venus in Sagittarius and her secondary Dsc ruler in Sagittarius.

Mr. Capricorn strongly connects with Ms Virgo’s primary 7th and 8th houses, and has some relevant connections to her secondary 7th and 8th house. Both with symbolism matches, and chemistry producing aspects.

Now, onto Ms Virgo’s primary 5th house. I deliberately left her 5th house till last in this section because there is sort of an interesting scenario going on here… Ms Virgo has Libra on the 5th house cusp, ruled by Venus also in Libra in the 5th house. This indicates that in the beginning romantic phase of the relationship she falls for sociable flirty charmers, your typical Libra guy (a Prince Charming type). This is the probably the type of connection she had with Mr. Libra… He may have seemed particularly dashing and impressive to her. But Mr. Capricorn doesn’t resonate particularly strongly with the symbolism of her 5th house. Although there are some links… She does have Uranus in Scorpio in her 5th house (behind all her other Libra planets), and that is a symbolism match to Mr. Capricorn’s Aquarius Moon. Also, her 5th house ruler in the 5th house, is a symbolic link to his Sun/Asc conjunction ruled by Saturn in Leo… Saturn ruling his Sun/Asc conjunction from his 7th house contributes to another symbolism match with her 5th house. He does have some symbolic connection with her primary 5th house. However, the overall theme of his chart is just not very Libran and her 5th house is overwhelmingly Libran. The astrological interaction here supports the notion that he may not have seemed initially like the type of man that could sweep her off her feet, and have her swooning. In a superficial way that is…

He does have 5th house chemistry with her due to synastry interaspects with her 5th house ruler Venus. Her Venus square his Capricorn Sun/Asc conjunction, conjunct his Pluto, and sextile to his Neptune (his 2nd and 10th house rulers). With a slightly wider orb (4 degrees), her Venus is trine his Aquarius Moon, and opposite his Aries Jupiter.

And… (I’m about to pull a rabbit out of a hat)… Ms Virgo has Libra on the 5th house, Libra rules the 7th house, in Ms Virgo’s chart she has Capricorn on the 7th house ruled by Saturn in Leo. Her primary 5th house does not relate that strongly to Mr. Capricorns natal chart, but her secondary 5th house (the 7th house) does. The secondary 5th, 7th, and 8th houses are never quite as powerful as the primary 5th, 7th, and 8th houses… But they do haven a definite influence on our taste, and kind of filter though or primary house in a less obvious way. If I remember correctly, Ceri, you have mentioned this story before, and Mr. Capricorn was in Ms Virgo’s ‘Friend Zone’ for a while before she finally consented to give him a chance. His strong connection to her 7th house means that she likes him a lot. But the romantic side of it is a little more cloudy because he doesn’t resonate that strongly with her primary 5th house. She didn’t immediately single him out as a romantic interest. His Sun/Asc in her secondary 5th house, though, indicates that he has the potential to grow on her as a romantic interest… In more of a sneaky ‘Takes you by surprise’ kind of way. As in, ‘Wow maybe he is worth a shot after all!’.

On the other hand, he could easily single her out as a romantic interest because her Moon in Aries in the 11th house resonates very strongly with his primary 5th house (Mars in the 5th house ruled by Mercury in Aquarius), and his secondary 5th house has well (his 3rd house cusp, which is his secondary 5th house cusp, in Aries conjunct her Moon). Hence, he made it a point to go after her.

Mr. Capricorn's powerful influence on Ms Virgo's primary 7th and 8th houses, plus his influence on her secondary 5th house (which is the same thing. Ha ha!), allowed him to win her over eventually. Also, her primary 5th house is activated by aspects, so he doesn't leave her completely cold in this area. His 2nd and 10th house rulers aspect her 5th house ruler, indicating that his practical abilities, his job, and earning capacity, likely impress her. His demeanor impacts her 5th house as well by aspect, with his Sun/Asc squaring her Venus... Sometimes she's impressed by his expression, but sometimes he might get on her nerves.

Overall, Mr. Capricorn and Ms Virgo have a positive synastry comparison. With both getting their relationship houses (The 5th, 7th, and 8th) strongly aspected by the other person.

In general… The 5th house rules initial romantic interest (courtship) and opens possibilities for a more 7th house type of relationship to develop (marriage), which then leads to an 8th house type of relationship (merging your life with somebody else’s). The 5th house is what gets things started, so if there is a symbolism mismatch here we may not even notice a person as a romantic interest unless they shove it in our faces. But if a relationship is all about 5th house synastry, and their aren’t many strong connections to the 7th and 8th houses, then the relationship won’t get past the courtship phase to develop into a committed relationship.

posted November 26, 2012 11:37 AM            

I have Virgo on the dsc..

I have noticed, that when their mercury has good aspects to me that i really like them, even if my mercury is not really aspected....
Making it a mercury type of relationship..

With fish our composite chart ruler is Merc (gem)
Making it more so Merc...

posted November 26, 2012 06:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Lotis.... What do you think abt this..

I have Virgo on the dsc..

I have noticed, that when their mercury has good aspects to me that i really like them, even if my mercury is not really aspected....
Making it a mercury type of relationship..

With fish our composite chart ruler is Merc (gem)
Making it more so Merc...

Merc type of connections have had me hooked..

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I've actually observed a similar thing. In my case, I've got a Sagittarius Asc with Mars ruling the 5th house, Mercury ruling the 7th house, and Moon ruling the 8th house... And I really do enjoy being on the receiving end of synastry aspects from those planets (Especially when they aspect my own Mars, Mercury or Moon).

People who positively aspect me with their Mars tend to impress me with their dynamite courage. People who positively aspect me with their Mercury tend to build up a happy, warm feeling within me. And people who aspect me with their Moon are so cute and vulnerable to me, and it makes me see them as trustworthy... Like I can confide in them about personal things.

I can see how being aspected by the planet ruling your relationship house, from someone else's natal chart, is like a continuation of the theme of that house... Because you can feel the style of energy associated with that house emanating back at you from the other person (I hope that makes sense). Yeah, I've noticed this.

I'm not sure if this phenomenon is enough to by itself to fully activate a relationship house, but it would certainly be a contributing factor toward attraction... Liking someone's style.

Lioness,

posted November 26, 2012 09:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
That's really hard to pin down, since i alrea dy have
Sun,moon,merc, and mars in h6 all in Leo.
The sun rules my h6.. I have sun/merc/moon conjunct..by 1 orb
so if you hit one you hit all

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posted November 26, 2012 11:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
I didn't put that together before but yes
H5,6,7 rulers are all conjunct..

Both my moon/merc are combust
And Merc is rx would that also effect the
Houses or just the planets??

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posted November 27, 2012 12:00 AM            

And synastry analysis really can become a novel, right? ,9

I am going to comment on what you wrote, (at least when I have more time at hand), but then keep in mind that of course I am biased and my observations certainly reflect my own relationship with all three people to a certain degree.

posted November 27, 2012 06:23 AM            

There seems to be their Mercury very prominent in synastry aspects (ruler of my DESC). But then again I seem to exclusively be attracted to people who have Mercury as ruler of an angle anyway.

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Because you can feel the style of energy associated with that house emanating back at you from the other person (I hope that makes sense).

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I thought along the same lines.

if their Mercury is very strongly "hit" in synastry, they might act out or express their Mercury quite strongly, sort of become "Mercurial/Mercurian" in the association with me, and that of course is attractive to me, as Mercury is part of my relationship pattern.

it`s like I am getting the symbol "Mercury" reflected from the outside, and it seems to fit with what I have inside.

posted November 27, 2012 06:46 AM            

my comments.

He has a lot of pent up creative, sexual, and affectionate energy naturally from his natal chart, and she doesn’t aspect this at all.
Interestingly he didn´t come across this way. He is one of the most detached, purely intellectual individuals I´ve ever met.
I thought that Libra and Uranus qualitiy was very prominent.

"She may have been unaware of his frustration of not being able to express his ‘Manhood’ toward her for some time"
Interestingly it was her who got frustrated sooner than him. He seemed quite okay with the way their relationship was and I suspect he saw it more of a friendship/partnership than a romantic relationship, while she became very frustrated over time.

"Even if he may have felt he couldn’t fully connect with her, he may have felt that he was learning something important from her, like she showed him the way toward something."
Well, the perceived that HE was the teacher to her, at least on the surface, and he was pretty much controlling the direction their relationship took. However, personally I think on a more subtle level she taught him a lot, too.

Her Moon is also conjunct his Jupiter (A very happy, warm aspect)
Yes, I love seeing that aspect.

Interestingly their eldest Sun has his Sun exactly conjunct her moon and his Jupiter. In a way the existence of their son alone reinforces that aspect for them.

And of course from the kid`s perspective it is not all that bad having Dad`s Jupiter conjunct his Sun and Mom`s Moon conjunct and Saturn trine.

.These connections aren’t all as harmonious as I’d like,
Yes. But my hypothesis is that since they have quite some challenging natal aspects themselves, they probably wouldn`t really be able to do anything with a too soft synastry.

It also helps that they have a magnetic Asc/Asc opposition
yes. big one.

"Squares are funny aspects in that they can indicate either intense attraction or repulsion… Or even both, at the same time (squares are very dramatic, drastic aspects).

Agreed.

It wouldn’t be surprising if in the beginning he wanted her pretty BAD
yes, it was very obvious to anyone except her.

, and really went after her.
not in an aggressive way. he simply was there for her as a friend, and in the end his patience and persistence succeeded.

It’s my personal belief that in synastry hard aspects are better then no aspects at all. At least then the people involved have feelings about each other. No aspect means no energy exchange! No feelings!
Totally agree!

posted November 27, 2012 06:56 AM            

So if the cusp of my 5th house is in Scorpio, but the majority of the house is in Sagittarius, would I look to aspects to both Pluto and Jupiter?

I've never really paid much attention to the last 2 degrees of Scorpio that begins my 5th house, but it makes sense why I fall head over heels for people with their Sun or Venus aspecting Pluto (usually square) if it's considered a 5th house ruler for me.

And then the same question for the 8th.

Would I need to look for aspects between both Uranus and Neptune, since my 8th house contains both Aquarius and Pisces?

posted November 27, 2012 09:50 AM            

In this case the 11th is the secondary 7th and 8th house of both people so the 5th cusps serve as their secondary Ascendants, too. Aquarian DC + 8th cusp, 11th cusp at 15 Taurus for her (0'16' Gem for him). Their ASCs and 6th house cusps are exactly conjunct, ASC-ASC and 6th to 6th.

I'm asking because it's his 7th house Aqu Moon exactly squaring her 5-11th Sco-Tau cusp (and the secondary 7th/8th cusp). The Antiscia goes to 14 Sco so it's likewise only a degree from her 5th cusp.

And actually, now I see her Moon squares his 5th-11th (7-8th) cusp likewise in turn so it's a repeated pattern. She has a Pisces Moon in her (and his) 8H, Antiscia (and trine) her 4th house Libra Uranus so there would be Libra-Uranian flavour to her Moon to mirror his Aquarian 7th Moon.

His (Pis-Ari) 9th is his secondary fifth house. Her fifth ruler Pluto is in her 4th in Libra and the Pluto Antiscia 22 Pisces for that 9th (5th) house cusp of his.

His 9th (5th) ruler Neptune is in her fifth house, 2 degrees from its cusp. Her Neptune is in his fifth house square his Uranus.

His Mercury rules the Gemini 11th cusp (from sixth house, 2'51 Aquarius). Sagittarius for fifth cusp has Jupiter as the ruler, right? In 9th house Aries Jupiter is inconjunct her 3rd house Virgo Mercury, which also sextiles his Neptune in her fifth.

I don't know if I should add that her Mercury pretty much rules everything finally in her chart other than the 2nd house Leo Sun. All roads eventually lead to Mercury. You mentioned intercepted signs and her Gemini is that in 11th, the secondary 7th-8th, so... Mercury would be important?

Also means Sag is intercepted in her 5th, so a symbolism match to his Sag 5th house ruled by the Aries Jupiter through or especially with her having Mars 4 Gem, 4 degrees from his 11th cusp? Also 2 trine his Aquarius Mercury, 11th (secondary 7-8th) house ruler?

1.

Basically I'm mostly asking about the planet SQUARE cusps thing though. How would the Moons or something else square the other's significant cusps function in something like this? Like the apex of a T-square or somehow bringing the two houses into better contact or as a potential problem point or what? Since it's there both ways with the two people to the same cusps it seems to be how something with the Moons will work, however it'd manifest.

The rest at least SEEMS to have some more easily seen level of mirroring going on even if I probably lost some track of what and where. I also omitted most 7th and 8th house details since those seemed to be a bit more straightforward.

((His 7-8th ruler Uranus conj her 11th/secondary 7-8th ruler Venus in Virgo. In his second house, her third, her Venus on her third cusp (to as if reflect back more of the earlier with his Aries Venus in his 9th?) Her 8th house also doubles as her secondary fifth house so his stellium there works overtime again.))

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Would something like the following influence things beyond mere synastry flairs? Her MC conj his Venus and her Jupiter conj his MC, all in Aries. The Antiscia of her Venus is also conj his MC.

His Venus + Jupiter both in his 9th and Aries, Jupiter ruling his 5th (secondary first house). This when her 3rd house Virgo Venus ruled her 11th, the secondary 7th-8th house (her Mars in 11th Gem trine her MC, Sag-Gem intercepted). His Sun-Mars-Saturn in 7th house Aquarius sext her Jupiter/his MC.

With the Saturn/Aquarius co-ruler and 10th house thing and his Aqu (Sun-Mars-Saturn), would something like that vibe through house rulers as well? Would the MCs reflect something/much through house rulers tying to such?

posted November 29, 2012 04:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lotiswhite,

my comments.

[b]He has a lot of pent up creative, sexual, and affectionate energy naturally from his natal chart, and she doesn’t aspect this at all.
Interestingly he didn´t come across this way. He is one of the most detached, purely intellectual individuals I´ve ever met.
I thought that Libra and Uranus qualitiy was very prominent.

"She may have been unaware of his frustration of not being able to express his ‘Manhood’ toward her for some time"
Interestingly it was her who got frustrated sooner than him. He seemed quite okay with the way their relationship was and I suspect he saw it more of a friendship/partnership than a romantic relationship, while she became very frustrated over time.

"Even if he may have felt he couldn’t fully connect with her, he may have felt that he was learning something important from her, like she showed him the way toward something."
Well, the perceived that HE was the teacher to her, at least on the surface, and he was pretty much controlling the direction their relationship took. However, personally I think on a more subtle level she taught him a lot, too.

Her Moon is also conjunct his Jupiter (A very happy, warm aspect)
Yes, I love seeing that aspect.

Interestingly their eldest Sun has his Sun exactly conjunct her moon and his Jupiter. In a way the existence of their son alone reinforces that aspect for them.

And of course from the kid`s perspective it is not all that bad having Dad`s Jupiter conjunct his Sun and Mom`s Moon conjunct and Saturn trine.

.These connections aren’t all as harmonious as I’d like,
Yes. But my hypothesis is that since they have quite some challenging natal aspects themselves, they probably wouldn`t really be able to do anything with a too soft synastry.

It also helps that they have a magnetic Asc/Asc opposition
yes. big one.

"Squares are funny aspects in that they can indicate either intense attraction or repulsion… Or even both, at the same time (squares are very dramatic, drastic aspects).

Agreed.

It wouldn’t be surprising if in the beginning he wanted her pretty BAD
yes, it was very obvious to anyone except her.

, and really went after her.
not in an aggressive way. he simply was there for her as a friend, and in the end his patience and persistence succeeded.

It’s my personal belief that in synastry hard aspects are better then no aspects at all. At least then the people involved have feelings about each other. No aspect means no energy exchange! No feelings!
Totally agree!

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posted November 29, 2012 04:50 AM            

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Originally posted by LionFish:
This is an awesome post Lotis White! Thank you! But it leaves me a few questions

So if the cusp of my 5th house is in Scorpio, but the majority of the house is in Sagittarius, would I look to aspects to both Pluto and Jupiter?

I've never really paid much attention to the last 2 degrees of Scorpio that begins my 5th house, but it makes sense why I fall head over heels for people with their Sun or Venus aspecting Pluto (usually square) if it's considered a 5th house ruler for me.

And then the same question for the 8th.

Would I need to look for aspects between both Uranus and Neptune, since my 8th house contains both Aquarius and Pisces?

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Hi Lion Fish,

I think it makes sense about falling for people who aspect your Pluto too!

The ruler of the sign actually on the cusp is always dominant. Even if your 5th house cusp were at 29 degrees of Scorpio, Pluto is still the dominant 5th house ruler...

However... Planets in your 5th house in Sagittarius would activate your 5th house along with planets at the end of Scorpio... And if a sign is intercepted in the 5th house (the entire sign falls inside that house) then definitely check Jupiter along with Pluto.

If a large amount of Sagittarius is in the 5th house but it's not intercepted, and Sagittarius is the sign on the 6th house... Then Jupiter will be in charge of primarily 6th house matters. But, I'd would still keep an eye on Jupiter as a possible lesser influence on the 5th house too. I'm not too sure about this part, but it doesn't hurt to just watch and observe in case something significant does pop up.

If a very large amount of a sign does sit in a house, and it's not the sign on the cusp, it's ruler won't dominate over the cusp ruler, but it may still have something relevant to say about that house.

posted November 29, 2012 06:10 AM            

By the way, this post made me take a closer look at mine and my fiance's synastry. It always looked very one sided to me, me being the one more affected by us being together. After reading this though and comparing how my planets aspect his 5th, 7th, and 8th house rulers I feel like I'm almost as perfect for him as he is for me!
His:
5th house is in Aries; My Sun/Merc trine his Mars.
7th house is in Gemini; My Venus/Sat/Juno setile his Merc, and Pluto squares his Merc.
8th house is in Cancer; My Venus and Pluto form a YOD with his Moon. His Moon sextile my Pluto. (A connection for both of us! )

I can't say thank you enough for this post.

posted November 29, 2012 07:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Thanks for taking the time to respond Ceri. It's interesting that people weren't able to see Mr. Libra's Venus/Mars outwardly... Although, I totally believe you about her getting impatient... Aries Moon! (But I love Aries Moons anyway).

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yes, it always struck me strange that he seemed so cool and detached. I guess it might have to do with the conjunction being in Libra (plus conjunct Uranus), so mars`energy comes across more smoothly and refined, with Uranus tilting it to a more detached, intellectual side.

posted November 29, 2012 08:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Keela, would you mind posting both of your charts?

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I prefer not to post full charts if I don't have everybody's permission, but if you can maybe temporarily save these to have a look later or something? Could you please let me know once you have them so I can edit the info and links out ASAP?

Since I'll quickly borrow a Photobucket for now as well, could you please not quote/link those either? Generic chart talk should be fine but anonymity and laying low is of the good.

It probably depends on what the Moons are doing in general, but the question mostly is about a square to the other's cusps and then more hypothetically, the MC as another angle of possible influence.

I'm not going to mix it more, but it's also amusing that the composite Moon is within a degree of the comp 8th cusp and conjunct his natal Sun. The composite Sun 25'45 Sco near the 5th cusp is 3 degrees square the Moon and a degree from her NN.

Comp Mars conj MC, cVenus square the Nodes (NN in 3H) from the 11th. Comp 447 Valentine 23 Sco conj the 5th cusp + Merc-Sun, all sextile Pluto. 1585 Union conj Uranus at 3 Libra in the third, opposing his natal Venus + her MC.

Orb factor 45%. (Links edited out)

If you see something interesting, I'm all ears though. Your post was very interesting so I just took the chance to look at how it'd work through an example and found quite a lot to keep in mind. The synastry may not be the most magnificent otherwise, but that's why I was interested in looking at the rulers and more. Thanks for writing all that and also for your further curiosity or indulgence with questions.

posted November 30, 2012 08:28 AM            

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Originally posted by fireopal09:
Thank you so MUCH for this amazingly illuminating thread, Lotis White. I have always wondered why I am attracted to & attract Leo people. My Dsc is Pisces (moon is in the 7th too). Leo is my 12th house. Manfriend that I have been with for 3 years has his Dsc there with his Sun/Mars Leo conjunction. We did have an intense relationship almost 20 years ago, but broke up b/c we were 18 &21 years old at the time. His NN & Avx are exact conjunction to my Dsc. Not quite the energy that a couple of kids could handle just yet. Again, thank you.

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Thanks!