posted December 06, 2012 10:56 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Mmm.... not a good question just for the mere fact that Pisces and Scorpio have totally different motivations. Now, if you compared, say, Leo and Scorpio I think that would be a more equal playing field. Leo and Scorpio are both completely "ego." Pisces is not. I think Scorpio is better at being a puppetmaster and Pisces is better at being a wolf in disguise. Pisces are excellent at manipulating your feelings. Scorpio doesn't care about manipulating your feelings, just planting the seed in your mind to get you wondering and then leading from there.

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posted December 06, 2012 10:59 PM            

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Originally posted by 11nahyt:
and neptune is the ILLUSIONIST. the deceiver,the puppet master. i could have sworn pluto was referred to as the planet of power, and obsessions. and neptune being the manipulator? lol

anyways...
the difference i've noticed between a scorpio and pisces when it comes to manipulating, is that pisces tend to do it even when they aren't aware their doing it.or they do it, just cause they can and tend to get away with it. whereas a scorpio has usually resorted to manipulating, with a reason.like they can switch it on and off. but with pisces, its like the switch is always on lol. with pisces its like giving a gun(the "gift" of being able to manipulate so well) to a baby.and they do all this, while sporting that "life is pretty great" smile they tend to have. FOH lol. this is only in my experience though. not generalizing.

i have clashed with every single pisces i've met because of this. i smell their BS a mile away. and it ****** me off when they act like victims, when you confront them about it. its like at first they are trying to push you,or some sh*t, and when they cant get to you, they resorted to victimizing themselves. and all of this for NO reason.like its just a game to them

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posted December 06, 2012 11:02 PM              

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Originally posted by butterflyxoxxo:
brilliant! Makes perfect sense. Why do Pisces have to be so shady? They can be scary because you think they are sweet but can actually be horrible people. And yes, 'puppetmaster' is what Scorpios do best we are the gardeners of the zodiac; planting seeds in the mind. Come to think of it, Leonardo Dicaprio is a Scorpio and stared in Inception which was about planting thoughts in the mind via dreams

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posted December 06, 2012 11:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Pisces get the best results.
Scorpions get some results, but also gather some enemies along the way and they can make things more difficult for themselves.

Pisces almost always get their cake and eat it to.. Everyone loves them in the end and even their worst enemies end up being either neutral or friendly towards them.

You can't beat Pisces. It's like trying to punch a whole into the ocean.

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Wow, thanks for you input and its so true. The Pisces guy I am seeing definitely wants everything without making much sacrifice. They are more emotionally gentle. They seem like the type that would smile sweetly at you while stabbing your heart. While a Scorpio would torch you alive while laughing maniacally.

posted December 07, 2012 04:35 AM            

You lot have met some messed up individuals who happen to be born in February/March.

I dont think that it's even worth trying to defend the character of the so-called Pisces sun.

But anyone who knows anything about astrology will know that sunsign astrology by itself is merely the "icing on the cake". I look into the whole chart rather than biasing people based on their month of birth.

As I mentioned previously my father was a Scorpio Sun. As an individual he was weak, violent, petty and abusive...no need to add more. He was the reason I got into astrology at such a young age (9)

If I was to base my entire experience of November borns on him then I would be writing entire threads on it. But as I also said, I have been blessed with two Scorpio children and I also count two Scorps among my closest friends. My sister is also a scorpio, I am surrounded by Scorpio energy.

I sense I may be the oldest poster on this thread (34). if you had spoken to me when i was 18-21 I would have been alot more closed minded with my judgement. The moral of the story - dont judge an enormous group of people by their sunsign alone. But I sense it may be too late in some people's cases.......

posted December 07, 2012 04:39 AM              

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Originally posted by Maelstrom:
Jesus christ.

You lot have met some messed up individuals who happen to be born in February/March.

I dont think that it's even worth trying to defend the character of the so-called Pisces sun.

But anyone who knows anything about astrology will know that sunsign astrology by itself is merely the "icing on the cake". I look into the whole chart rather than biasing people based on their month of birth.

As I mentioned previously my father was a Scorpio Sun. As an individual he was weak, violent, petty and abusive...no need to add more. He was the reason I got into astrology at such a young age (9)

If I was to base my entire experience of November borns on him then I would be writing entire threads on it. But as I also said, I have been blessed with two Scorpio children and I also count two Scorps among my closest friends. My sister is also a scorpio, I am surrounded by Scorpio energy.

I sense I may be the oldest poster on this thread (34). if you had spoken to me when i was 18-21 I would have been alot more closed minded with my judgement. The moral of the story - dont judge an enormous group of people by their sunsign alone. But I sense it may be too late in some people's cases.......

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posted December 07, 2012 04:39 AM            

"You cant beat Pisces, it's like trying to punch a hole in the ocean"

posted December 07, 2012 04:48 AM            

I agree that Pisces does have that reputation in astrology. But I also think like anything, it becomes a self fullfilling prophecy. I am guilty of that myself! I'll explain;

I met a man at work and we clicked instantly - chatting and laughing until our sides hurt. A few weeks into our friendship I found out he was a gemini sun. I had to shake myself so as not to start backing off (I have a history of clashing with Gemini suns). I am so happy i did as he is an amazing character with alot more depth that that sign is credited with.

posted December 07, 2012 05:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Maelstrom:
Jesus christ.

You lot have met some messed up individuals who happen to be born in February/March.

I dont think that it's even worth trying to defend the character of the so-called Pisces sun.

But anyone who knows anything about astrology will know that sunsign astrology by itself is merely the "icing on the cake". I look into the whole chart rather than biasing people based on their month of birth.

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I agree so much with you!!
I haven't met many Pisces, so I don't know about them. But I have met quite a few manipulators(including myself) and well many different sun signs are involved!

Maybe the tight question should be what are the aspects or placements that make someone manipulative?

For instance my boyfriend is Scorpio, with a Scoprio stellium in his chart, and he is really sweet and true and never tries to manipulate people and always argues with me when I do so. I've known Leos who try to manipulate people. One of my friends is Cancer with Scorpio ASC,but she's far from being manipulative, she's very outspoken (probably Mars in Aries have to do with that). I also have another friend with Scorpio Moon and I can say she yes, posses some charm which helps her when asking of favours, but generally she achieves things through being a fighter, and well if you get to know her better she will unfold her "dark" side very easily. My father is a Pisces Moon and yeah he always tries to make other people feel sorry for him, but I never buy his lies.

I myself am manipulative. I think maybe it's because my Venus square Pluto in Scorpio. I also have a Stellium in Capricorn (Merc, Nept,Uran) and my Sun is conjunct my NN. So I don't know which of these aspects make me manipulative?? I also have my MC in Pisces (the only Pisces placement in my Chart).

posted December 07, 2012 06:07 AM            

but when a pisces manipulates, you'll never know.

Pisces manipulation flows very easily, they themselves don't even know they're manipulating you

posted December 07, 2012 07:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Maelstrom:
Jesus christ.

You lot have met some messed up individuals who happen to be born in February/March.

I dont think that it's even worth trying to defend the character of the so-called Pisces sun.

But anyone who knows anything about astrology will know that sunsign astrology by itself is merely the "icing on the cake". I look into the whole chart rather than biasing people based on their month of birth.

As I mentioned previously my father was a Scorpio Sun. As an individual he was weak, violent, petty and abusive...no need to add more. He was the reason I got into astrology at such a young age (9)

If I was to base my entire experience of November borns on him then I would be writing entire threads on it. But as I also said, I have been blessed with two Scorpio children and I also count two Scorps among my closest friends. My sister is also a scorpio, I am surrounded by Scorpio energy.

I sense I may be the oldest poster on this thread (34). if you had spoken to me when i was 18-21 I would have been alot more closed minded with my judgement. The moral of the story - dont judge an enormous group of people by their sunsign alone. But I sense it may be too late in some people's cases.......

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posted December 07, 2012 07:39 AM            

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Originally posted by 11nahyt:
maelstorm, you are taking this a bit too personal. no one said all pisces were like this. and certainly no one said you were like this. and this isn't only a pisces sun thing btw. as you can see pisces risers, pisces moon folks have also sported this manipulative trait. with that said, it still doesn't mean every person with a pisces placement will be like this. that's impossible. the topic was to be answered by people who have observed the two signs, and conclude which has been the better manipulator in OUR experience/observation. yes those that generalize, and assume that all folks under the same sun sign/placements will be the same, are definitely close minded and ignorant. you keep trying to defend yourself as if someone were attacking you and accusing you of being these things lol. and exactly how were you going to defend the entire pisces sign? wouldn't that be generalizing? were you going to say that we are all lying about the manipulative pisces folks we've met? if the descriptions don't apply to you, then good for you and let it rock.

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Hi 11nahyt,

I admit I can be very "passionate" when expressing my opinions - but I'm certainly not sat here spitting venom and fury at the laptop, LOL!

It just appears to me - rightly or wrongly -that whenever the sign Pisces is mentioned it tends to open a floodgate. I have observed this on other astrology forums, not just this one I must add. (Other Pisceans seem to agree so I dont think I am the only one that's noticed). I have also observed Gemini and Libra getting a similar reaction. I do tend to hammer home my own experiences as I am trying to demonstrate that not all Pisceans are as weak willed, pathetic and underhandedly manipulative as some believe.

However I am certainly not angered at all, it's always difficult to express yourself accurately through the internet but I assure you I have not launched my laptop through the window.....yet..hehehe!

posted December 07, 2012 07:45 AM            

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Originally posted by its_aqua:

Maybe the tight question should be [b]what are the aspects or placements that make someone manipulative?

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Absloutely, I think that would make a very interesting discussion, it's_aqua

posted December 07, 2012 12:37 PM            

-Damsel in distress, fishy is likely to take a trip with bald tires on their car. When they tire gives out 500 miles from home.."someone save me"

-Their feelings about the small stuff matters, yours do not, if one does violate whatever it is, the guilt comes in waves. If they do the same to you "I did not know you felt that way"..even if you tell them you did.

Scorpios are more likely to offer a bait and know others so well they usually,correctly, predict the reaction and what the other person will do.

posted December 07, 2012 12:58 PM              

A Scorpio Sun with a Pisces Rising will be waaaaayyyyy sweeter and nicer than the stereotypical Scorpio Sun.

Now a Pisces Sun with a Scorpio Rising (especially in the first decanate) and especially if he is on the dark side......

EVIL GRIN a ROTTEN person to the core. Add in a Leo Moon @ 25° and you also see a violent criminal.

Even a "good" Pisces with a Scorpio Rising will be much more aggressive than what we associate with Pisces Sun. Add in Leo Moon 25° and we still see an arrogant individual despite being on the "Good" Alignment.

posted December 07, 2012 01:15 PM            

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I think Pisces is good at making people feel bad and playing the victim. Also they are very good at making you think they feel your pain and again make you feel guilty about getting mad at them in the first place

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True. And as soon as you make your apology then they come up with THEIR apologies because otherwise *they* would feel guilty or maybe they smell the final effect of becoming a true sadist

posted December 07, 2012 01:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Pisces Adonis:
Depends on the placements.

A Scorpio Sun with a Pisces Rising will be waaaaayyyyy sweeter and nicer than the stereotypical Scorpio Sun.

Now a Pisces Sun with a Scorpio Rising (especially in the first decanate) and especially if he is on the dark side......

EVIL GRIN a ROTTEN person to the core. Add in a Leo Moon @ 25° and you also see a violent criminal.

Even a "good" Pisces with a Scorpio Rising will be much more aggressive than what we associate with Pisces Sun. Add in Leo Moon 25° and we still see an arrogant individual despite being on the "Good" Alignment.

HINT-I WAS ALL of the ABOVE

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Pisces Adonis.. wait

You're that guy from ...

Omg .. its me Zoisite/Lunarian Princess.. Fancy meeting you here again

posted December 07, 2012 01:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Pisces Adonis:
Depends on the placements.

A Scorpio Sun with a Pisces Rising will be waaaaayyyyy sweeter and nicer than the stereotypical Scorpio Sun.

Now a Pisces Sun with a Scorpio Rising (especially in the first decanate) and especially if he is on the dark side......

EVIL GRIN a ROTTEN person to the core. Add in a Leo Moon @ 25° and you also see a violent criminal.

Even a "good" Pisces with a Scorpio Rising will be much more aggressive than what we associate with Pisces Sun. Add in Leo Moon 25° and we still see an arrogant individual despite being on the "Good" Alignment.

HINT-I WAS ALL of the ABOVE

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If I remember you were a Leo Moon Pisces Sun Scorpio rising, right???

posted December 07, 2012 01:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Londongirl8:
Wow - I'm new to this forum and based on what I've read so far I should run a mile from my Pisces bf. My sister's bf is also Pisces and he couldn't manipulate his way out of a paper bag

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posted December 07, 2012 01:59 PM            

I do have a tendency to get my way, but I don't do it by playing the damsel in distress. Or a victim. Who wants to listen to somebody whine/complain? Ugh.

I DO feel other people's emotions, sometimes quite intensely even from strangers. Which is why I've learned to walk away from situations and come back to them when they are more to my liking or at least just don't leave me so frazzled. If that's manipulation so be it.