posted December 17, 2012 05:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Are they just hopeless? Is there anything anyone can do for these people?
They have such a negative take on women and they throw soooooooo much negativity around…
I feel like saying: “Who the hell do you think you are – to start throwing insults my way when you do not even really know me?!”

I am not sure they understand that a woman comes with physical and spiritual parts – quite apart from her genitalia.

They also don’t seem to understand that a woman they are sexually attracted to – is also a human being and that she has her OWN life with her own problems, joys and sorrows.
Once they are sexually attracted – forget it! They’ll treat you like a heartless, brainless - mannequin.

The one I know is a Sag with Taurus Moon opposite Scorpio Pluto.

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Is that self-projection?

...you throw words like:

"he's so vulnerable..."

"Are they just hopeless?"

"They have such a negative take on women and they throw soooooooo much negativity around…"

...and latter, you add something like:

"He is STEALING my friends."

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...and let me get this straight: you judge a person based on a aspect from his chart? ...and if that's not enough - you trow this out here on a astrology forum - judging all man with this aspect for something "which you clearly - don't understand..."

I have this aspects (among others) - and it's a hard one... i give you that - but i can't relate with what you said about those of us with this aspect and not the only one .

I don't hate woman, never have and never will... as for treating a woman like a pair of genitals that sounds to caveman for my approach on this subject - since i have more respect for woman than i have for man... Furthermore, judging all woman based on the experience with one "that's simply illogical..." as for hating a specific woman, in my case - she'd have to be an awful person for that to be possible and this is not gender related... I won't/can't hate a woman for rejecting me - i find that stupid and childish... yet, I'm aware that a guy with strong Scorpio influences might want to put you in your place if you **** him off - since you do seem kinda hateful and blunt in your approach with men... so - in a way, I'm also grateful for such man - cause I'd be to polite about it even with someone who's very hateful and disrespectful and such man... are exactly what this type of woman need, to put them in their place - since i sure couldn't.

posted December 17, 2012 08:02 PM            

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that sounds to caveman

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Well he does have an aries mars as well.. so caveman could be an interpretation for *that* placement...

Regarding your other comments - I am so entirely disinterested in the whole 'don't generalise' thing.

I've been on LL for 7 years and I have often told others not to generalise.
Frankly - it is impossible... not to generalise in astrology.
It is what it is..
I am over this whole 'generalisation' thing.

People will express themselves and write things as they like... Their manner of expression is not always reflective of where their thoughts are at.
Anyone with a basic understanding of psychology reading my initial post would understand that I am upset with this particular person - and my comments are regarding him and his particular chart... and also a couple of others I have known with similar aspects.

There is a difference between saying:

"The Moon/Pluto people I have personally known were like this."

and saying..

"All the Moon/Pluto people of the world have always been and will always be like this."

I meant the first ^^ not the latter.
How it came across is irrelevant - since I was upset - and we're all entitled to be less than perfectly eloquent... when upset. It happens. I'm human

posted December 17, 2012 08:13 PM            

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What he needs is a doctor. But oh wait! He doesn't actually think he has a problem. So.. um, he's probably doomed.

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At one point I had a conversation with him and I explained how I felt and what my problems with him were.
He did agree with me. He said he understood where I was coming from and he was glad I told him how I felt.

He also said that I was being too nice... because most people would say much worse things about him, and they would say them behind his back.

But he had no intention to get professional help.
He reacted to what I said - as though his behaviour is a chronic and incurable disease. As though on some level he is saddened by the fact that he is *like* this... but he can't change either. He was very hurt emotionally by the death of his mother. I don't think he can move on from this.

This was the only time he acknowledged that he had a problem though. But since this conversation he has done a lot of other things - and he was no longer reasonable. He had like a small window of reasonableness, which is now shut.

posted December 17, 2012 08:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Well he does have an aries mars as well.. so caveman could be an interpretation for *that* placement...

Regarding your other comments - I am so entirely disinterested in the whole 'don't generalise' thing.

I've been on LL for 7 years and I have often told others not to generalise.
Frankly - it is impossible... not to generalise in astrology.
It is what it is..
I am over this whole 'generalisation' thing.

People will express themselves and write things as they like... Their manner of expression is not always reflective of where their thoughts are at.
Anyone with a basic understanding of psychology reading my initial post would understand that I am upset with this particular person - and my comments are regarding him and his particular chart... and also a couple of others I have known with similar aspects.

There is a difference between saying:

"The Moon/Pluto people I have personally known were like this."

and saying..

"All the Moon/Pluto people of the world have always been and will always be like this."

I meant the first ^^ not the latter.
How it came across is irrelevant - since I was upset - and we're all entitled to be less than perfectly eloquent... when upset. It happens. I'm human

I won't say "bite me" to you as well lmao..
Although *bite me* was the short version of this explanatory post ^^

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posted December 17, 2012 08:47 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
but seriously you are being harsh, arent you cap moons supposed to be sensible?

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Hittin at generalisation by generalising

No,we are supposed to be harsh

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On the subject,I can't fully articulate myslef without using a metaphor - Moon/Pluto oppo are like vast land,prepped for sowing. The earth is dark and fertile,by the looks of it. But,as soon ypu step closer you see that there are still bumps and you can't walk well. Not stones,by spikes and glass remnants and who knows what,and you can't cross to the other side,work can't be done etc.
They are so emotionally hungry,ravenous,and they could suck the life outta you. If the going gets bad.

posted December 17, 2012 09:21 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
we are all evil b*stards mwhahahaha

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posted December 17, 2012 09:39 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
i have the same square but i look up to women so much. (don't worry was just sayin)

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Haha sorry sand, I suppose my post was a tad bit subjective, it wasn't all that long ago that I completely cut off contact with my ex so the anger still surfaces at times lol... But again not trying to say this is true for all people w this aspect. I actually have a good friend with Aqua moon square Pluto and I've never seen her as manipulative in any way.

Also for anyone who was offended, I'm not just trying to play the whole "men are evil" card, it was completely my fault for deciding to even stay in that relationship to begin with, and I take full responsibility for that. I guess I just think we tend to attract the people who bring out our own unresolved issues (myself included obviously) and that was a lesson for both of us to learn in that relationship. Do I think he learned anything from it? Probably not. But that's ok because I know I won't be repeating that mistake. Anyway, sorry now I am rambling again...

posted December 17, 2012 09:50 PM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
I actually have a good friend with Aqua moon square Pluto and I've never seen her as manipulative in any way.

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because it's a trigger aspect. u will never see that unless u get really close.

posted December 17, 2012 11:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
eAre they just hopeless? Is there anything anyone can do for these people?
They have such a negative take on women and they throw soooooooo much negativity around…
I feel like saying: “Who the hell do you think you are – to start throwing insults my way when you do not even really know me?!”

I am not sure they understand that a woman comes with physical and spiritual parts – quite apart from her genitalia.

They also don’t seem to understand that a woman they are sexually attracted to – is also a human being and that she has her OWN life with her own problems, joys and sorrows.
Once they are sexually attracted – forget it! They’ll treat you like a heartless, brainless - mannequin.

The one I know is a Sag with Taurus Moon opposite Scorpio Pluto.

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posted December 17, 2012 11:23 PM            

Explains a lot.

posted December 18, 2012 07:12 AM            

i could tell more but, im still trying to heal...and it has been 5 years....but yep, the same negative stuff that the other posters have written resemble my experience...
hypocritical: i can do it but you cant, i can flirt with a girl, but you cant....
easily hurt, cant take a joke.
making you feel guilty..
selfish in bed and everything else...
always wanting an audience, if it is women...better
never ever satisfied in a relationship.

aries opposite libra, by the way.

and it seems, they have absolutely no accountability for their actions, they can find ways to justify their wrongdoings, it was always the other person at fault.
also, no sense of wanting to improve as a person....

im pretty sure the ones ive met are still pretty much alone, just as i warned them....
maybe, when they find themselves alone with nobody in their 50s... they start wondering if maybe? who knows....

ps. i have moon opposite pluto but, i think it is better in females...

posted December 18, 2012 09:08 AM            

It's the basics in psychoanalysis - you ask the patient to describe the wrong side of their partner based on the way they see it and you get to the bottom of their problems as well - cause there's a lot of self-projection in their complaints - which tend to be contradictory at one point "same as above" ^^

If you've the only one wronged in that relationship - you being the "perfect one" - the defects of your ex partner can't bother you at that point, they should have been left behind with the relationship - yet, if you can relate with some of defects and still affect you - that's because they're also part of yourself - maybe more than your partner since you struggle with them.

What is Moon opposition Pluto exactly?

Moon - our emotional side (maternal type of empathic nature)
Pluto - sexual side, inner desires (our tabu nature)

When this two are in opposition - it's as if each has a road of its own and that can lead to conflicts with when it comes to expressing your emotions sexually - or trying to get deep in to your emotional side from a sexual point of view... you just have to treat them like you treat any position - give "each of them" a room of their own, don't try to combine them - since each of them have separate needs... easier said than done - but with the right person it's manageable...

In my opinion - would be worst to have Moon Trine Pluto... worst for me anyway... some are gay, all have them have an inclination to incest (not all do it - tho... yet they're all thinking about it) - the lucky ones end-up like Hugh Hefner, others... don't want to get in to that...

posted December 18, 2012 10:40 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
ok just my two cents... what ya'll are describing does not sound like moon/pluto to me....it sounds more like mars/pluto, they are the ones you gotta worry about! us hades mooners have our insecurities and can be a tad vengeful sometimes, but we arent nearly as nasty as ya'll make us out to be.. i know this because basically everyone in my family is a hades moon and i have hades moon friends.... now mars/pluto is nasty! they are the ones who will make you suffer for their insecurities, its more of an internal thing for us.

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mmmm....aqua...
they had mars conjunct pluto too in libra (isnt this supposed to be a more peace-loving "nice" sign.?
it is mars conjunct pluto then? is it only the conjunction between mars and pluto that is that asinine?

or does the same 'evilness' go for mars square pluto and mars opposite pluto?

posted November 12, 2013 06:46 AM            

Huh? A 10°-orb for a quincunx? Girl, quincunxes get a 3° orb maximum. Usually it's something like 2°.

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posted November 12, 2013 01:46 PM            

Casida of the Impossible Hand

I want no more than a hand,
A wounded hand, if possible.
I want no more than a hand,
even if I spend a thousand nights with no bed.

It would be a pale lily of lime,
a dove it would be, chained to my heart,
the guard it would be, who on my last night
would deny the moon entrance wholly.

I want no more than that hand
for daily unction, the white sheet of my dying.
I want no more than that hand
to bear a wing of my death.

All the rest passes.
Blush now without a name. Perpetual star.
The rest is the other; sad breeze,
While the hosts of leaves flee.