posted January 06, 2013 11:18 AM            

They attributed 12th house symbolism to it, and therefore treated it as past-life-karma chart (and for some reason related the 12th house to sex and pleasure as well. Don`t ask me why, I have no idea).

I find the 12th harmonic chart interesting as it relates so much to our zodiac in general, and also to the aspects, as seen as reflecting relationships between the signs.

posted January 06, 2013 12:37 PM            

Anyway I disgress. Sorry.

However if the 12th harmonic really relates to a deeper, subconscious, subtle layer in us; your subconsciousness seems to be pretty much equipped to give mine a kick. lol

Sorry, but I can`t help it. I always see the synastric links immediately, even if I have zero romantic interest in another person.

Anyway, the first thing I noticed in yours was Aries, Aries, ARies. But a very receptive Aries, with Neptune on its ASC there. Is there an aspect in the natal chart between ASC and Neptune, too?

Of course I also notice the Jupiter-Saturn-Uranus conjunction in grounded Virgo. Enthusiasm and need for excitement that still is pretty much down to earth, and trine Moon looks like a pretty stable emotional condition to me, though with an unwillingness of being bored. But then again, who likes to be bored anyway?

With Mars in Sag being trine Moon - well, there seems to be quite a bit of independence there, maybe a bit of a temperament (though it might be that this is an internal harmonic and will not become as obvious on the outside, not sure yet), and actively seeking fun-things.

The MErcury-Venus-trine in Air signs, really made me grin.
A sweet talker, probably able to sell refrigerators to the Inuit.
If it were in the natal chart, I`d say definitely a very flirtative guy, just because he likes to communicate in that smooth, charming manner, but that doesn`t need to mean he is interested in any kind of deeper relationship.
For some people it is simply a personality-trait to be flirtative.

Not sure if that would come out in the 12th harmonic as well.

However, what I noticed in general, is HOW strong the synastric links of my 12th harmonic to the 12th or even natal chart of the guys is that had a lasting and deep effect on me. Maybe it really has something to do with them touching something "internal" in me.

For me, though I certainly do not really have the traits of a charming GEmini, I relate to my 12th harmonic Gemini-placements in the way that I love to analyze and communicate, like it is a very deep seated instinct or even need inside of me, and gives me a lot of inner satisfaction.
(of course my Sun and Moon in 12th harmonic are also in Air signs).

Well, can someone please make me stop rambling on?

What do YOU think is being highlighted in your 12th harmonic chart and how can you relate to it?

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Also I noticed that a guy I know has his 12th harmonic Venus in the same sign as his girlfriend`s natal Sun-sign.

I scanned a few charts, and this seems to happen quite frequently, especally relating to the natal Sun, Moon or ASC. Interesting.
(along with the opposing sign).

posted January 06, 2013 01:09 PM            

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Sorry, but I can`t help it. I always see the synastric links immediately, even if I have zero romantic interest in another person.

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posted January 06, 2013 01:11 PM            

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Is there an aspect in the natal chart between ASC and Neptune, too?

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posted January 06, 2013 01:16 PM            

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The MErcury-Venus-trine in Air signs, really made me grin.
A sweet talker, probably able to sell refrigerators to the Inuit.
If it were in the natal chart, I`d say definitely a very flirtative guy, just because he likes to communicate in that smooth, charming manner, but that doesn`t need to mean he is interested in any kind of deeper relationship.
For some people it is simply a personality-trait to be flirtative.

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posted January 06, 2013 01:18 PM            

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Also I noticed that a guy I know has his 12th harmonic Venus in the same sign as his girlfriend`s natal Sun-sign.

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posted January 06, 2013 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
Lol I have no air in the natal! Mostly yes I can be a huge flirt and once in awhile I really do mean it. It's so easy to find something beautiful in someone..

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It`s interesting. my natal Venus is in Capricorn, and I relate to that very much. I am serious and often take things too slow and too serious.

But underneath, I often feel a certain restlessness and a hesitation to commit.
Almost like something inside me thinks: "How can I be sure this is the right one? How can I know that this is not just a trick of my hormones? What if someone better comes along the moment I commit?"

I really hate this voice, but it is there. Always seeing the other side, always still another option.

It`s also, that I also can see so much beautiful in many people and things. I can even get carried away by the way someone sais a certain word, or the flow of a story or the way the sky looks or the way the crows are flying over my head or whatever.
So much beauty around me, it often makes me feel like a child, getting aware of the wonder of life for the first time.
Not sure what that can be contributed to though. But I will find out.

posted January 06, 2013 01:58 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
She is an Aries sun but could have Gemini rising.. I have to get birth time..

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It`s not always as obvious as that.
There are other ways of relation as well.

For example:
my friend`s 12th Venus/Mars/ASC-conjunction is opposite her husbands natal Moon (and funnily my Moon as well. lol) and conjunct his 12th Pluto

his 12th MOon conjunct her natal Venus

my Dad`s 12th ASC Conjuncts my Mum`s Sun; his 12th Venus conjuncts her natal Venus exactly;

her 12th Mars conjuncts his 12th Venus and natal ASC; her 12th ASC Conjuncts his Pluto and her 12th DESC conjuncts his Venus-Jupiter-conjunction

another friend`s 12th Venus-NN is conjunct her man`s Moon, with her 12th Mars being opposite it.

his 12th MOon conjuncts her natal Sun and MC and Saturn.
his 12th Sun funnily is conjunct his own natal Sun and sits on her natal IC and conjuncts her Mars.
his 12th Venus conjuncts her 12th Mars and opposes her 12th Venus
his 12th Mars conjuncts her natal Moon exact

posted January 06, 2013 02:01 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:

I see the dwad correlation, my moon's dwad is present in my 12th harmonic sun, but my 12th harmonic sun also reflects my natal NN and MC. Natal 12th house mars in the same sign as my 12th harmonic mars. 12th harmonic Venus in the decan of natal sun.

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The Dwads are actually the 12th harmonic charts, unless you were meaning the Duad chart?

Dwads start each sign-division with 00 degree of Aries; Duads start each sign - division with 00 degree of the sign in question.

posted January 06, 2013 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Aeline:
Wow, i find mine interesting enough, with Pluto right on my natal Sun, and Sun in Scorpio as well

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posted January 06, 2013 02:07 PM            

"Past life incarnation chart"
"Karma chart"
"subconscious mind chart"
"basic pattern of destiny"

The 12th harmonic is based on the numbers 3 and 4, so a combination of smooth, harmonious energy and tensions; thus striving for balance I guess.
It of course highlights all aspects of the 30° series, if these are really tight in the natal chart.
It only shows 2 aspects independently,w hich do not occur in any lower harmonic.
While other aspects as square or sextile might also be reflected in the 4th or 6th harmonic, two aspects ONLY appear in the 12th harmonic chart, and those are the semisextile and the quinkunx. Especially the quinkunx has been related to karmic aspects as well, and also been described as striving for balance, often operating from an almost subconscious place in the psyche.

The correlating aspect pattern is the Yod, the finger of God.

And it relates to the 12th house.
So I guess all of this might help to decipher its meaning.

posted January 06, 2013 02:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

The Dwads are actually the 12th harmonic charts, unless you were meaning the Duad chart?

Dwads start each sign-division with 00 degree of Aries; Duads start each sign - division with 00 degree of the sign in question.

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posted January 06, 2013 07:02 PM            

Jupiter in Leo --> conjunct ASC
Sun in Aries --> conjunct MC
Venus in Aquarius --> conjunct DSC/Mercury
North Node in Sagittarius --> conjunct Neptune
Chiron in Scorpio --> conjunct Jupiter

Sun sextile Neptune --> Sun sextile Neptune
Sun sextile Pluto --> Sun trine Pluto
Moon conjunct Pluto --> Moon square Pluto
Moon square Uranus --> Moon parallel Uranus
Moon conjunct Neptune --> Moon parallel Neptune
Venus opposed Jupiter --> Venus parallel Jupiter
Mars square Pluto --> Mars conjunct Pluto
Saturn sextile Pluto --> Saturn conjunct Pluto

posted January 07, 2013 06:04 AM            

Apparently in my imagination/private mind I’m a Gemini with Aqua rising and Pisces Moon and Venus.

Awesome. An innovative, communicative, otherworldly imagination!

Mercury is in Capricorn and square Uranus in Libra and a Saturn/Jupiter conjunction in Aries. This makes sense. My internal mind is always active, and sometimes the information flows out so fast it’s a rush to get it out in time. Especially when it comes to astrological things. Saturn/Jupiter in Aries makes sense, in my internal mind my opinions are quite forceful. When they filter outside their more diplomatic of course! The opposition to Uranus makes sense too. I’m conservative about relationships, but in other ways my worldview is a lot different form most people I think.

Hmmm… My Pisces Moon and Venus probably relates to my love of escaping through fiction (reading and movies), and music during my down time, and my private romantic, fantasy prone nature. That fact that Mercury is in Capricorn means I also appreciate when this fiction is well produced. Even if the storyline is about flying robot unicorns attacking a city made of lollipops, I like the story to be presented in a way that ‘feels’ real while your reading/watching it. If it’s badly produced it puts me off. For instance, if the mythology or back-story to a show, book, or movie is not carefully crafted, and well thought out in detail, I pick up on this and it gets on my nerves. I like my fake reality to make sense!

Although, I’ll admit there is a part of me that does believe there’s ‘magic’ in the world. As in there’s more to life then can be seen with the naked eye…. Synchronicity. Meaning. Karma. Purpose. God’s love for all beings of the universe. I mean, I’m into astrology, and many other metaphysical type topics also fascinate me.

At my heart of hearts, I believe we’re all meant to love God and love each other. Not in kinky way! I’m talking about real love at a soul level that’s beyond the temporary bodies that we all wear. We’re meant to be kind to each other, and to care about our fellow brothers and sisters. Aaaah! My cosmic inner Pisces is coming out. I’m not often verbal about these things.

posted January 07, 2013 06:39 AM            

very interesting.

Though I wouldn`t really associate the 12th harmonic with imagination (in the sense of fantasy, non reality), but more with some internal processes.
Or did you mean it like that?

I found it too funny how my 12th harmonic chart is all Air. I have always thought that my natal chart had too little air to explain my obsession with intellectual occupations, analysis etc. (well Moon is in Air of course).

The aspects also make a lot of sense.

Mercury opposite Neptune - okay, maybe it has to do with fantasy after all.

posted January 07, 2013 08:03 AM            

Hi Ceridwen

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Originally posted by violet7887:
Hi Ceridwen,

I remember you looked at my 25th age harmonic last year in your age harmonics thread and what you analysed for me was so spot on.

This is my 12th harmonic, would love your insight on it as well.(btw your 12th harmonic Moon is exactly conunct my natal ASC.)

Thanks

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Violet,

so the age harmonic fit? That is good to know, so I can continue looking into those.

I am going to have to come back to your 12th harmonic. I am having not so much braincapacity right now.

But from a first glance a pattern stands out.

Uranus/ASC in Aquarius - Jupiter in Sagittarius - Venus in Libra - Mercury in Aries - Pluto and Sun in Cancer.

Some orbs are a bit generous, so it might be split up into two patterns, but nevertheless I found these interesting.

And then of course the exact Moon-Node-conjunction in Cancer