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goatcat
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posted January 13, 2013 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatcat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is my Venus in Pisces the reason I'm always changing my look? I portray different personalities each day.

I will usually do this by wearing wigs or dying or shaving my hair.
For the last couple of months I stopped changing my hair and I noticed my self-esteem started to suffer. Yesterday I dyed my hair blonde and I feel better than ever.

Or could it be my death/rebirth Scorpio moon?

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posted January 13, 2013 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Debby4     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by goatcat:
Is my Venus in Pisces the reason I'm always changing my look? I portray different personalities each day.

I will usually do this by wearing wigs or dying or shaving my hair.
For the last couple of months I stopped changing my hair and I noticed my self-esteem started to suffer. Yesterday I dyed my hair blonde and I feel better than ever.

Or could it be my death/rebirth Scorpio moon?


Maybe a bit of both?

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posted January 13, 2013 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatcat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Debby4:
Maybe a bit of both?

Possibly. Venus in Pisces might like to change all the time for the pleasure and the Scorpio moon might need change for health.

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posted January 13, 2013 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have 4 planets in h6
Sun, moon, Merc and mars..

I'm not interested in health Care or taking care of others... But i always seem to get stuck doing all kind of things for people..
When i ask for any help, i get sorry can't I'm busy..
Its been some sort of obligation for me to do things..
I seem to be relied on...

Recently i stopped doing little favors for people.. Because i felt i was being taken advantage of..

Once i stopped, my so called friends stopped talking to me. or became to busy to talk to me..idk...

My life is mostly mudane. I go to wOrk and i go home
That's how my days.go.

I'm not into health things...
I'm routine and kinda a longer..

I'm not a workaholic... As soon as its time to leave. I'm gone...
But all i have is work and my kids... Work is what keeps me sane..
I could never not wOrk... I've been working since i was 15.

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posted January 13, 2013 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by goatcat:
Is my Venus in Pisces the reason I'm always changing my look? I portray different personalities each day.

I will usually do this by wearing wigs or dying or shaving my hair.
For the last couple of months I stopped changing my hair and I noticed my self-esteem started to suffer. Yesterday I dyed my hair blonde and I feel better than ever.

Or could it be my death/rebirth Scorpio moon?


I would attribute that to having an ASC in or around Libra. Libra's creative side loves to create characters (one per outfit in some people's case). The concept is similar to wearing one's personality like an accessory. Being ruled by Venus in Pisces further highlights the mutability of your ASC (if it is in Libra) and helps you adapt your different styles to whatever environment you wear them out to. In the case of Libra ASC, Pisces Venus you may use your external persona as a decoy to attract and relate with people while you feel out their deeper motives.... See Angler Fish (minus the ugly) . hehe

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posted January 14, 2013 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatcat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lioness:
I have 4 planets in h6
Sun, moon, Merc and mars..

I'm not interested in health Care or taking care of others... But i always seem to get stuck doing all kind of things for people..
When i ask for any help, i get sorry can't I'm busy..
Its been some sort of obligation for me to do things..
I seem to be relied on...

Recently i stopped doing little favors for people.. Because i felt i was being taken advantage of..

Once i stopped, my so called friends stopped talking to me. or became to busy to talk to me..idk...

My life is mostly mudane. I go to wOrk and i go home
That's how my days.go.

I'm not into health things...
I'm routine and kinda a longer..

I'm not a workaholic... As soon as its time to leave. I'm gone...
But all i have is work and my kids... Work is what keeps me sane..
I could never not wOrk... I've been working since i was 15.


You're a true sixth houser.

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posted January 14, 2013 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatcat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Xiiro:
I would attribute that to having an ASC in or around Libra. Libra's creative side loves to create characters (one per outfit in some people's case). The concept is similar to wearing one's personality like an accessory. Being ruled by Venus in Pisces further highlights the mutability of your ASC (if it is in Libra) and helps you adapt your different styles to whatever environment you wear them out to. In the case of Libra ASC, Pisces Venus you may use your external persona as a decoy to attract and relate with people while you feel out their deeper motives.... See Angler Fish (minus the ugly) . hehe

I was almost Libra rising but I'm Virgo rising. My outfits personify what I'm feeling, no matter the environment. I don't think this describes me because I don't use the personas to feel people out.

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posted January 14, 2013 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by goatcat:
I was almost Libra rising but I'm Virgo rising. My outfits personify what I'm feeling, no matter the environment. I don't think this describes me because I don't use the personas to feel people out.

Good to know, where are your Ceres and Mercury? Oh and what is in your 1st House?

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posted January 14, 2013 06:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatcat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Good to know, where are your Ceres and Mercury? Oh and what is in your 1st House?

Ceres in Aquarius, V house.
Mercury in Capricorn, IV house
My ascendant is Virgo.
Jupiter in Libra, I house

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posted January 14, 2013 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by goatcat:
Ceres in Aquarius, V house.
Mercury in Capricorn, IV house
My ascendant is Virgo.
Jupiter in Libra, I house

Hmm, perhaps it's the Libra Jupiter ruled by a Virgo house. The desire to change your appearance would still exist. Not as a tool though, rather out of the pure enjoyment of the experience (changing your appearance and how that effects your self and the world). You may even like your appearance to "have an effect on others". Not necessarily in an activist sense, just inspire an experience in others. It would be easier to classify this energy as "a desire to leave an impression" but somehow the prior description seems more correct to me.

The Ceres and Mercury placements add an interesting flavor. Your Earthy energies would certainly manifest in your appearance (straight forward and strapped well into your shoes), but with Jupiter Libra, Aquarian Ceres, and Mercury all involved in your ASC, your Virgo ASC should express itself with an underlying flavor of Air. A monolith firmly planted on the ground, but reaching up beyond the clouds. You can also use your appearance to nourish the unique and playful nature of those who meet you. Even if you are well put together, there may be a flavor of weirdness or uniqueness in the persona you exude. This is more likely to draw people to you than push them away though. You can inspire others to see their own uniqueness as creative and enjoyable.

Does that fit more?

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posted January 14, 2013 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatcat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Hmm, perhaps it's the Libra Jupiter ruled by a Virgo house. The desire to change your appearance would still exist. Not as a tool though, rather out of the pure enjoyment of the experience (changing your appearance and how that effects your self and the world). You may even like your appearance to "have an effect on others". Not necessarily in an activist sense, just inspire an experience in others. It would be easier to classify this energy as "a desire to leave an impression" but somehow the prior description seems more correct to me.

The Ceres and Mercury placements add an interesting flavor. Your Earthy energies would certainly manifest in your appearance (straight forward and strapped well into your shoes), but with Jupiter Libra, Aquarian Ceres, and Mercury all involved in your ASC, your Virgo ASC should express itself with an underlying flavor of Air. A monolith firmly planted on the ground, but reaching up beyond the clouds. You can also use your appearance to nourish the unique and playful nature of those who meet you. Even if you are well put together, there may be a flavor of weirdness or uniqueness in the persona you exude. This is more likely to draw people to you than push them away though. You can inspire others to see their own uniqueness as creative and enjoyable.

Does that fit more?


Yes it does, almost spot on.
What is Ceres?

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posted January 14, 2013 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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goatcat: What is Ceres?

Ceres is cool! Virgo and the Sixth house are under Ceres, I feel, because Ceres themes include how you feel useful, what you strive for to be of use to your surroundings. And, how you find use in the people and things around you. It's a sort of give and take. Or at least I think!

I'm a Leo Ceres! I want to entertain people, make others laugh. That's fulfilling to me. And it's my natural drive (Ceres conjunct Mars). Not only that, but I want to be entertained and have fun.

Xiiro can add where I have lapsed.

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posted January 14, 2013 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lemme take a bang at your Ceres...

Aquarius Ceres, you want to be seen as different or unique, because differences are well accepted to you. You don't mind being your "weird" self and you probably like it when others see your weirdness and be a little weird themselves! You'll embrace weirdness, or at least not care about it, and everyone can be hippy dippy friends. In general, you're yourself, and to what other people think: "if you're with me, then come with me, but if not, then whatever, your loss!" ?

Any accuracy?

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posted January 14, 2013 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatcat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Lemme take a bang at your Ceres...

Aquarius Ceres, you want to be seen as different or unique, because differences are well accepted to you. You don't mind being your "weird" self and you probably like it when others see your weirdness and be a little weird themselves! You'll embrace weirdness, or at least not care about it, and everyone can be hippy dippy friends. In general, you're yourself, and to what other people think: "if you're with me, then come with me, but if not, then whatever, your loss!" ?

Any accuracy?


Totally accurate! I love being odd

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posted January 14, 2013 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by goatcat:
Yes it does, almost spot on.
What is Ceres?

Adding to Red's description. I associate Ceres as the primary ruler (Mercury as sub-ruler) of Virgo.

I typed out a long and technical response and instead decided to explain Ceres by metaphor. It is just too simple of a complex energy to quantify with jargon. That being said:

Imagine you are shipwrecked in the middle of the ocean and as you approach starvation, you are washed upon the shore of an uninhabited island. You roam the island and discover a fresh water spring surrounded with delicious fruits, nuts, and edible vegetation. Looking around, you realize the supply will only last a few months, but notice the island has potential to become abundant with your help. It will require regular manual irrigation, protection from the elements, planting of crops, and husbandry of the local ecosystem to thrive. This is a perfect example of Ceres's energy. She represents how we find nourishment, and how we offer nourishment/support the sources which provide nourishment to us. With Ceres we find our role as servant and discover the conditions we require to produce the best service possible.

When we find that symbiotic flow, we feel as if we have found our natural place in the world. The people who think, feel, and act in ways which nourish us, while thriving off the talents we naturally offer, feel like "our people".

So in Aquarius the simple act of being known (in the sense that our friends know us) can be a very nourishing experience. The most nourishing environment for you may be one where you are give the freedom to create and express in any way you feel appropriate. No judgment, just the respect and validity everyone should be afforded as the soul experiencing force of their circumstances. Change and creativity should be respected, because both are constant contributors to reality. True nourishment and friendship comes from those who are not frightened by or judgmental of the changes we endure. In this Ceres's perspective, the conditions and circumstances of one's life or personality may change, but the observer of those experiences is who we should seek to know, the rest is insubstantial, imaginary.

In turn, you offer others friendship, respect, breadth, freedom, and acceptance regardless of their experiences. You have a capacity for endless creativity and when collaborating, can especially be struck with new ideas or random things out of the blue. Your imagination is capable of endlessness, especially when you channel it in creative ways which support your friends, family, and/or community.

The negative trait to look out for is feeling as if people can't understand you because of conditions or circumstances in your life or personality. Feeling stuck in a world where others only see the parlor tricks and never the wizard behind the curtain. The key is to remember that we never fully comprehend each other while we remain in a realm of separate perspectives. Uniqueness is not loneliness, it is an opportunity to share something others have never seen before.

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Originally posted by goatcat:
I've heard this before. Can you elaborate on why tge sixth house is a bad placement for Venus?

Its the house of virgo, Venusian energy is very constricted here.

My mother has Moon conjunct Venus in the 6th house Libra. I remember she was always forced or put into a position where she had to do things for others and never herself, ever since she was a teenager. You could see that her own desires and pleasures were never fulfilled because of her responsibility to take care of an entire family by herself. She seems a bit let down, and unhappy with her life. She never even has time to do any of her passions or hobbies.

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posted January 15, 2013 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by goatcat:
I had a teacher that disliked me for no reason but when I confronted her about it in a parent-teacher conference, her attitude changed tremendously and she became one of my favorite teachers.

I would like to know more about how Lilith works.


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posted January 15, 2013 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anno_lucis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
great thread. i didn't know that about ceres. i have a 6h sun and moon conj in aries.

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posted January 15, 2013 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatcat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like how everyone on this thread knows what they're talking about.

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posted January 15, 2013 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/problemsweallface_6.php

A good read!

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posted January 15, 2013 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/problemsweallface_6.php

A good read!


That is probably my favorite astrology site. Dane Rudhyar was brilliant and has influenced great change in my personal astrological understanding. Thanks for sharing.

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posted January 15, 2013 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StacyLewis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can see how this might not be the most optimum house placement for Venus - because Venus is all about pleasure and leisure; it's not really about getting things done. Having it in the house associated with work, could be a hairy thing, and could maybe make the native more inclined to want to lounge around by the pool than put their nose to the grindstone.

Or it could mean a preference for jobs involving beauty - hairstylist, working at a spa, that sort of thing. Relationships in the workplace is another way it could manifest, as well as just being popular among co-workers.

Also - it's been said before that the sixth is just the 'job' house, and that an actual career, is the tenth - which makes sense theoretically, when you take into account that the tenth house comes after the house associated with higher learning/college. Sixth house jobs are just basic things you take to get the bills paid. Tenth house career is what you devote yourself to professionally that actually has opportunities for advancement and it's about more than just collecting a paycheck at the end of the week.

Sixth house is also health, and small animals. Venus in the sixth could love animals, or be a health-nut...

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posted January 16, 2013 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anno_lucis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^6h planets can manifest as a variety of maintenance services work, and yes, one can even carve out a profitable professional career in the 6h field, if one wishes

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/problemsweallface_6.php

A good read!



it's like i don't want that article to ever end. he actually manages to make the 6h sound exciting

i've got pisces on the 6h cusp, so i'm supposed to respond to crises by 'having a dream'? doesn't seem like that would be a particularly helpful response in a moment of crises lol. but yeah, i do sort of get it..

i found this a while ago it's a fun read: http://www.thegalaxyexpress.com/magic-and-6th-house

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posted January 16, 2013 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stellar_moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Its the house of virgo, Venusian energy is very constricted here.

My mother has Moon conjunct Venus in the 6th house Libra. I remember she was always forced or put into a position where she had to do things for others and never herself, ever since she was a teenager. You could see that her own desires and pleasures were never fulfilled because of her responsibility to take care of an entire family by herself. She seems a bit let down, and unhappy with her life. She never even has time to do any of her passions or hobbies.



My Libra boyfriend has Sun, Mercury,Mars, Uranus, Pluto, Juno and North Node in the 6th house, Venus is right on the cusp of the 6th and 7th house, almost on the DC. I didn't meet him at his work, he met me at mine though (at the time I worked at an Auto Garage, his passion and hobby is Mechanics, which would reflect the mercury in 6th house placement) His passion for mechanics helps him run his business, since he can fix his own equipment. When he retires from his business, he wants his own garage and probably will live in it lol.

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Venus in 6th may enjoy working/being useful/ being an active contributor. They may enjoy effeciency,refinement and order(this may be a specific turn on for them).

It is likely that Venus in 6th will enjoy attending to domestic tasks or at-least derive great pleasure in "running the home". Being in sound health and mind is usually a lifelong objective which they deem will bring them considerable pleasure(more so when the Sun is in 6th actually).

Art that is mathematically sophisticated may arouse their interest , as would be "home renovations" or things that involve improving an existing system.



My bf has Sun and Venus in the sixth and I can vouch for this. He is constantly cleaning up my home - MY apartment - and finding ways to be useful/of service and make my home more efficient. I can't recommend these people enough!

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