posted March 11, 2013 12:34 PM            

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Originally posted by curious girl:
Dear RAS,

I have just checked the composite of my mother and father. Their relationship was difficult from the beginnig and only got worse with years. I am surprised to find composite Sun, Venus, Mercury in Cancer, trine Moon . It only gets square from Neptune. Otherwise, there are Moon square Pluto and a T square with Uranus opp Jupiter square Mars. Saturn is close to Pluto (6 degrees) and very probably squares ASC/DESC axis. Chiron is conjunct Moon, South Node, Vertex, trines the love stellium and squares Saturn and Pluto (almost exact). I am so very surprised to have found it! Their relationship was far from loving, although it lasted for 25 years. I would like to have your insight. Thank you.

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posted March 11, 2013 12:46 PM            

"Comp Sun is conj her Saturn, his Venus.
Natals have Saturn conj Venus (opp his Chiron square her Chiron)"
I am viewing this as the probably most important or significant aspect.

So, the comp Sun is the identity of the relationship, and shines a bright spotlight to whatever it touches,e ither in composite itself or in the natals.

Here it spotlights a Saturn-VEnus-conjunction (karmic and binding), and apparently a T-squrare involving both Chirons.
Uoh. I wanna be honest. That looks so damned painful, potentially at least.

How tight is her Saturn to his Venus and opposing his Chiron?

Speaking in Magi terminology for a moment, it highlights two clashes they call the "Heartbreak clash" and "the impossible dream clash" (I just wallow in those glamourous flashy aspectnames ).
While I cetainly would not subscribe to the theory that this spells doom (there are too many relationships thta made it through one of these clashes - though gathering some more heartbreak clashes than one is never a good idea as it sems; I am still researching this though), it just looks painful to me.

I bet there is a strong karmic attraction, and there probably is a lot of vulnerability involved on both sides. I am not sure how they deal with this kind of "skinlessness" though. But keep in mind that I use only a 3 degree orb for these.

if they are taking the positive and healing route it might indicate that the relationship will push her or influence her to become more responsible and care for him in very practical ways. It is quite a down to earth vibe here. No big dreams or illusions.

However, first Saturn has to face her insecurities and fears and understand that despite all perceived flaws she is enough, she is sufficient, she has something to give, even if she does not control the relationship (or him) at any given moment, just out of fear he could notice all the flaws she sees in herself (at least with a pretty negative Saturn this could be a scenario).

,"Comp MC conj her Mars, IC conj his Moon."
Mars-Moon-opposition highlighted by the relationship main axis (one of them at least).
he might feel a sense of belonging and home with the relationship (if he allows to feel that way).
She might be the more active part.

"Composite NN (square c.ASC-DC) is 3 opp his natal Sun, so composite ASC is three degrees square his Sun as well. "
A relationship that possibly comes from his past life.

" but what of the rest of the big movers or shakers influencing it all?"
I don`t understand what the question exactly is.

"but that the comp Sun makes few contacts aside the very close and important natal Saturn/Venus touch might not make him feel it as much as her?"
Seriously, I doubt that with comp Sun on his natal Venus.

posted March 11, 2013 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by curious girl:
Ceridwen, could you please tell me your opinion on this:

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posted March 11, 2013 01:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"Comp Sun is conj her Saturn, his Venus."

Here it spotlights a Saturn-Venus-conjunction (karmic and binding), and apparently a T-square involving both Chirons.
Uoh. I wanna be honest. That looks so damned painful, potentially at least.

How tight is her Saturn to his Venus and opposing his Chiron?

Speaking in Magi terminology for a moment, it highlights two clashes they call the "Heartbreak clash" and "the impossible dream clash" (I just wallow in those glamourous flashy aspectnames ).
While I certainly would not subscribe to the theory that this spells doom (there are too many relationships that made it through one of these clashes - though gathering some more heartbreak clashes than one is never a good idea as it sems; I am still researching this though), it just looks painful to me.

I bet there is a strong karmic attraction, and there probably is a lot of vulnerability involved on both sides. I am not sure how they deal with this kind of "skinlessness" though. But keep in mind that I use only a 3 degree orb for these.

if they are taking the positive and healing route it might indicate that the relationship will push her or influence her to become more responsible and care for him in very practical ways. It is quite a down to earth vibe here. No big dreams or illusions.

However, first Saturn has to face her insecurities and fears and understand that despite all perceived flaws she is enough, she is sufficient, she has something to give, even if she does not control the relationship (or him) at any given moment, just out of fear he could notice all the flaws she sees in herself (at least with a pretty negative Saturn this could be a scenario).

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Yeah, it was pegged as important by my glance already from the synastry, but you do shed more light to it. Thank you.

Her side has a natal pattern with an exact Saturn-Chiron square turned into a T-square by Uranus opposing Chiron by 2deg. 12th house Saturn trine her 5H NN by 57 minutes. Chiron likewise exactly trine Sun and Sun sext Uranus, semisextile Saturn, quincunx his Chiron, should that matter.

The Saturn-Venus synastry conjunction is 35' exact. The Chirons are both likewise at most in a 45' aspect from Saturn. Composite Sun is 25 Can 47' so under a degree from his 9H Venus and under two from the rest.

We are talking exact and likely-to-be-felt things with all that even if the first reaction is more so "Whoa there Venus trine Mars and Antiscias conjunct the other way around, and whoa there sex appeal some more with Eros-Psyche contacts on top". Funnily enough I just ran into your talk of Sun conj Juno in relation to moving to the sexual, and that's exact here as well. Antiscia Venus trine Pluto, all sorts of little things to make him seem an extremely manly and appealing figure.

The first attraction comes from the rest (and ASC conj MC perhaps, or the Antiscia of Sun conj his DC, or Antiscia of her ASC square his Pluto, ouch) and then the Saturn-Venus-Chiron seems the thing to be dealt with once an allure has set in, even if it's never felt an easy attraction otherwise per se. A nose for hints of the karmic was felt all along, I guess.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
" but what of the rest of the big movers or shakers influencing it all?"
I don`t understand what the question exactly is.

"but that the comp Sun makes few contacts aside ... might not make him feel it as much as her?"
Seriously, I doubt that with comp Sun on his natal Venus.

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The big Pluto/Saturn and Uranus in 12th near the ASC was in mind at first with the cSun to natals side when thinking of the questions. As for his Venus, I forgot it's also his DC-ruler so likely to do something in his case even if it wasn't opposite that Chiron of his likewise.

I'd added in a mention of comp Mars trine his Uranus and whatever other tidbits, but they're less relevant, of course.

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I keep forgetting the Vertexes ~2 opposite each other in synastry, and missed the comp nodes being smackbang in the middle of those as well. So it's natal Vertex angles square the comp ASC + conj the nodes. Her Vx conj the comp NN, his VX the SN. I was likewise forgetful about how the comp Sun trined her NN by a degree instead of just the cMoon conjuncting his NN.

posted March 11, 2013 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It depends what meaning you attribute to the Draconic chart. If you see it as a past life chart, then it would be a clear indication of bringing something forth from a past life line for that person. It does not need to mean the relationship in general was from a past life (I see this rather in conections from DRaco composite to tropical or Draco natal), it might just be that something in the relationship like it is today hits a past life frequency for the person.

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thanks ceri <3

posted March 11, 2013 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I would need to see the image, but I find that Chiron-squares can hurt like hell, especially if Saturn and pluto are in it as well, and even more so if connected to Moon or Venus.

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Here we go:

posted March 11, 2013 02:50 PM            

But yeah generally a love stellium afflicted by an outer planet(other than pluto) will not be too happy a couple. Their synastry has got to be really good for them to be happy imo.

Neptune makes you idealize the relationship at first, and then u realize one of the people is totally in their own fantasy world and has no idea what ur needs or dreams are and practically knows nothing about you, and then you feel disillusioned and pretty lonely.

posted March 11, 2013 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
^To the poster above who posted the chart. Can you check grupovenus.com Compatibility For lovers report to see if any Mutual Aspect descriptions show up? Also check if they have any saturn conjunctions, squares or oppositions in synastry.

But yeah generally a love stellium afflicted by an outer planet(other than pluto) will not be too happy a couple. Their synastry has got to be really good for them to be happy imo.

Neptune makes you idealize the relationship at first, and then u realize one of the people is totally in their own fantasy world and has no idea what ur needs or dreams are and practically knows nothing about you, and then you feel disillusioned and pretty lonely.

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Here is what Iīve got: Venus Mutually Aspects Neptune,

Mir's Sun square J's Sun orb 3° 58'
Mir's Sun trine J's Saturn orb 3° 13'
Mir's Sun square J's Pluto orb 4° 29'
Mir's Moon sextile J's Sun orb 2° 51'
Mir's Moon square J's Venus orb 4° 54'
Mir's Moon trine J's Jupiter orb 3° 51'
Mir's Mars square J's Mars orb 4° 11'
Mir's Jupiter conjunct J's Neptune orb 3° 34'
Mir's Uranus square J's Saturn orb 3° 19'
Mir's Uranus sextile J's Pluto orb 2° 3'
Mir's Pluto square J's Mars orb 3° 44'
Mir's Sun square J's Ascendant orb 4° 23'
Mir's Moon sextile J's Ascendant orb 2° 26'

posted March 11, 2013 07:23 PM            

personally i'd refuse to date someone just because we had sun/venus in synastry or in the composite or because someone on an astrosite proclaimed it as the only true love aspect. sun/venus conjunction in the composite with a serial killer - beautiful true love? i don't think so..
same as saying i'm not going to reject someone because we didn't have sun/venus between us or in the composite. i've bonded with many people in my life and there were no sun conjunct/trine venuses anwhere. there were other things going on that made me attached to them. i've had my fair share of sun/venus aspects with people i couldn't stand or wait to get away from so i don't get all this hoopla about it being so special. theres so much more to astrology then a corny sun venus conjunction between two people. i've been the sun and venus in synastry aspect with people i couldn't stand and i get really annoyed when i read things like you adore the person or love them unconditionally, it's throroughly irritating.

posted March 12, 2013 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It depends what meaning you attribute to the Draconic chart. If you see it as a past life chart, then it would be a clear indication of bringing something forth from a past life line for that person. It does not need to mean the relationship in general was from a past life (I see this rather in connections from Draco composite to tropical or Draco natal), it might just be that something in the relationship like it is today hits a past life frequency for the person.

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What if the draco composite also points at the regular composite? Still repeating patterns or things? Like a draco comp MC conj the Saturn/Pluto conjunction from earlier above? Helio composite's Saturn/Pluto hit the same spot. Possible past public life and career or work and whatnot hit by the heavy planets of the current composite. Would this be why feeling that possible work or projects together could also feature with the two?

The draco composite actually hits a great many of the natal positions in the thing I brought up above, so thanks for mentioning those.

Dr.c. Sun conj her DNA and his Saturn/ASC
dcMoon conj her Chiron
dc Chiron conj his Sun
dcVenus/Merc moving to her NN
dcUranus conj her VX/comp NN
dc Sat/Plu opp his Sun
dcASC/Mars trine her Sun

so I'll take that as a further sign of prior involvement if going by past life beliefs. Without the draconic mention I'd also have missed that his Dr. ASC/Saturn is conj the comp Moon as well as the Dr. Mars opp Jupiter tying to the comp ASC/DC angle and Mars.

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posted March 12, 2013 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Uehaara,

"Is it supposed to show your relationship with the relationship?"
Actually the composite of your natal with the composite would show the relationshipw ith the relationship (VERY interesting btw).

The comparision of composite to your natal (sort of a composite-synastry with your natal) shows what effects the relationship has on you personally.

I"t's difficult to find interpetations for such aspects. "
Well, luckily we can think for ourselves. And it is really not that much different from natal synastry, just that you compare yourself not to the other individual but the relationship (which sometimes can be more than the sum of the parts)

"What if soemone's sun conjunct the composite saturn? They feel the heaviness of it? Lots of responsabilities? 2
Yes.

"What if it's conjunct composite moon?"
natal Sun to composite Moon?
The emotional connection in the relationship would make it easy for the person to just be themselves, and express themselves freely and naturally.

"And what about aspects to the composite vertex and node? "
A certian fatedness.

"Let's say someone has a double whammy with the composite chart of saturn conjunct nn, does it even play out? 2
Yes, in major ways probably.
The relationships path and the individual path is very closely aligned, sort of do-dependent.

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Thank you Ceridwen for taking the time to answer all of my questions. I truly appreciate this.

posted March 12, 2013 04:07 PM            

I looked at the composite I have with someone who meant a lot. I was the one (I think) more involved in this. The tropical composite has venus on my vertex.
I draw the draco composite and there:
dr composite venus conjunct my desc, mercury, moon
dr composite moon conjunct my venus
dr composite mars conjunct my mars
dr composite desc conjunct my vertex
dr compoite jupiter conjunct my south node
dr composite saturn conjucnt my north node.

posted March 18, 2013 11:46 AM            

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Gemini Sun
Libra Moon
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus
Virgo Mars
Virgo Asc

posted March 18, 2013 02:46 PM            

Composite Moon = 14'06 CAP

His Venus = 14'04 CAP
His Nept. = 13'48 CAP

Composite NN = 6'25 LEO