posted December 22, 2013 10:34 AM              

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Originally posted by Vradec:
I am a Venus in Cap and I am anything but cold or boring in a relationship. In fact, in a relationship is when I am my most dynamic and expressive. When I am in a relationship, basically I want sex all the time, and adventurously too. Also, I am so expressive of my love in relationships. I write and record songs for the one who has my heart, I buy them things, I write poems about them, I surprise them. Not boring or predictable at all. But I am somewhat consumed and obsessed when in love. But my Mars is in Taurus, so maybe that has an effect too? :-)

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posted December 23, 2013 09:33 PM            

I don't fit any of the Cap Venus stereotypes.

First of all, I don't care about status symbols. The person that I'm dating doesn't have to be some super successful entrepreneurial trillionaire. Personally, I don't understand people who constantly brag about their relationships, plaster pictures of them with the person that they are dating all over Facebook, show PDA, tell their friends secrets about their sex lives, etc. I personally prefer for my relationships to be more private than most and I don't feel like I have to answer to anyone about who I'm dating or why I'm dating them, blah blah blah.

I just want someone who's reliable and will be there for me. I honestly don't think I could tolerate dating one of those super successful business people that constantly brags about their lifestyle and their job and who they are dating, who they know, blah blah blah. I honestly just don't give a rat's a.. about that kind of thing.

/endofrant

posted May 29, 2016 10:05 AM            

She is very shy in showing affection around people to her boyfriend. If they kiss, it's very quick and light.

Also, she acts controlling and domineering around her guy. And she doesn't like partying together with him.

It took me long to get her to open up about her love life. I always knew she has a boyfriend, but she said so little about him I wondered she doesn't like him so much. Until they were to broke up, she cried a lot. I coulnd't believe her feelings for him were so strong. I thought, what the hell, you never said anything like this to me before about him. She's really secretive about that. Also, jealous as hell.

In general, she is very grounded and committed in her relationship with this guy. They got back together even though he cheated on her, and I think it was just because she couldn't let him go. Maybe she just got used to him or is afraid to be alone.

posted June 06, 2022 12:35 AM              

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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
Sometimes if a man has a natal Venus in Capricorn or born with an affliction to Venus and Saturn, he may use women.

http://home1.gte.net/darrowmp/Astrological%20Blurbs.htm

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That, or he may be used by women. Often similar with having Saturn in the 7th of a male chart. See Johnny Depp for a good example of that.

Btw, there are definite differences between Cap Venus and Venus conjunct Saturn.

Some of the rulers and Signs have significant differences between them, and Saturn and Capricorn is one of those. Other notable ones are Leo and Sun. Heck, even with Aquarius vs Uranus, there are some significant differences (for example, Aquarius tends to be a more balanced and centered energy than extremist, bi polar like Uranus).

As to the differences between Cap and Saturn? Too long to explain all of it, but Cap is a more Yin, and generally a faster vibratory indication than Saturn. Folks with Venus conjunct Saturn can be particularly heart closed or attract that within others. Cap generally is more caring and sensitive than Saturn.

Not a popular opinion, but I think that it is highly likely that Cap is actually co-ruled by Uranus. Out of all the Signs that share a traditional ruler, ONLY Cap and Aquarius are right next to each other--unique among the entire set and most of the Zodiac is made up of Sign pairs that share a traditional ruler. They are also two of the last Signs, which means they are two of the most complex/multi faceted Signs and them both having two rulers, would be very fitting for that shared complexity.

But even then, they have a different balance/proportion of these. While Cap would be more Saturn and then Uranus, Aquarius is more Uranus and then Saturn.

Also, I do not put Uranus on a pedestal like many into astrology seem to. I align much more with the Cayce version of Uranus, and in his work, Uranus definitely has a dark side often and consistently. However, also in that work, Uranus is more spiritual/nonphysically/metaphysically focused than Saturn. FAR more actually in that work.

Saturn in that work, can represent and correlate to some of the very lowest of the low in individuals and humanity. There are some references here and there to individuals using Saturn in a positive way, but far many more indicating that Saturn strong, correlated with some over materialistic, selfish, cold type tendencies. And when I say Saturn, I mean Saturn the planet and not Cap (again, for the Love of God, they are not the same thing by any means).

More over, in that work, Saturn symbolically represents the nonphysical, afterlife dimension of the hard core psychopaths that are on the way to experiencing a true and final death--a Soul-consciousness death. So lacking in connection to Light, to Love, to Source that they in a sense, unravel their own consciousness sweaters and become a non entity--losing self awareness, identity, and the ability to choose.

So when a person has only say Saturn Rising in their chart (or the like)--I tend to watch such people closely. Powerful Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Sun attunement can counter balance Saturn's anti social tendencies and attunement though. (Signs are far less important in all this, than Planetary strengths).

posted June 06, 2022 11:12 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
That, or he may be used by women. Often similar with having Saturn in the 7th of a male chart. See Johnny Depp for a good example of that.

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posted June 06, 2022 11:19 PM            

http://twitter.com/brosandprose/status/1532490595092123649
http://twitter.com/brosandprose/status/1534007242827120640

posted June 06, 2022 11:23 PM            

Sun in Capricorn, not Venus (his Venus is in Pisces).

posted June 06, 2022 11:28 PM            

Brad Pitt Accuses Angelina Jolie of Purposely Harming Reputation of Wine Company He 'Carefully Built'

posted June 06, 2022 11:46 PM              

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don't think so. He doesn't seem to respect women. He was with Vanessa Paradis, until he decided to dump her for a much younger woman. None of those women used him.

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Have you ever been in a romantic relationship with the same person for 14 years*?

I've been with my partner for 21 now. Speaking from experience, it can get kind of boring and same old, same old in some respects. Sex often becomes more ritualistic or perfunctory rather than steamy passionate and/or romantic, etc, etc. Often times, partners that have been together that long, kind of drift apart if they are not also best friends (thankfully my partner and I are best friends, and so we stay close. The fact that we allow each other to see other people if we want, probably also helps to keep us together). I can understand him becoming infatuated with a new person. I don't condone it, but I can understand it.

* Relationship years in Hollywood is a bit akin to dog years vs human years when we talk about relative age. Every 1 "normal year" to us, is like 7 years to them. 14 years is actually a very (and uncommonly) long time for a hollywood/celebrity couple. Most marriages in that scene, are lucky if they last a few years.

And I've heard that Vanessa has her own issues and was quite controlling. Again, Depp has Saturn in the 7th. He attracts and is attracted to highly control, ego, and materialistic oriented partners when it comes to long term and particularly close/affecting relationships.

The astrology is clear on that. Heard was just the uber/ultra manifestation of a very strongly Saturnian partner for him. Ego personified. Plus, he doesn't have much to counter balance that. The modern ruler of his Descendant, Uranus, is closely conjunct Mars. Saturn and Mars--that's a lot of ego in the partner's he's attracted to. And, it connects back to his mother for him, since Saturn also rules his (Cap) Moon, and his mother was a hard core, abusive narcissist and probably also either bipolar or BPD. Somehow to Depp's credit, he somehow looked past her issues and kept a relationship with her, bought her a house, etc, etc Yeah, but he treats women so horribly right? Maybe look at the bigger picture and context?

It is often true, we do often marry/get involved with someone like our respective, opposite sex parents. For example, my Mom was a Venusian. So is my partner as well (both have Venus rising and closet to their Asc in their charts). Coincidence? Doubt it. Amber Heard was like his mother--highly selfish, highly abusive, highly controlling, highly emotionally unstable, etc.

From all accounts, it was after their relationship started to go south, that his drinking and drugging got worse and worse. Of course it did, he was trying to escape the nightmare he found himself in.

You're standing up for someone that most of the world now rightly sees as a monster. And you're only doing so because she is a woman and you identify with her as a "victim" and have your own anger issues towards men. Not because of evidence, holistic logic, etc, but because of pure subjective, emotionally driven unconscious beliefs (which you have somehow and weirdly dragged left vs right politics into).

To date, at least a few people (most women) have pointed out very good, logical points to you, and you consistently completely ignore their points. Because you just don't want to deal with the potential truth that you may be wrong about this. When you actually address peoples' specific points, logic, and evidence rather than completely glossing them over, then I will take you and your stance seriously.

Till then, I should just ignore you on this subject. Think it would be best for both of us.

posted June 07, 2022 02:45 AM            

It could point to a use of women for a man with 7th house Saturn if Saturn it's in fall or highly debilitated. It would show that he was the one that has been using women in other lifetimes, but when Saturn is well placed, like in his case Saturn in Aquarius is dignified, it shows that he needs boundaries and to make sure that he doesn't do more than he can to make a relationship work.

posted June 07, 2022 05:30 AM            

I have noticed that People with this Venus tend to attach their value and worth with how well they can secure a stable relationship or marriage(unless other factors counter that).

It doesn't necessarily have to be a deliriously happy one. Just stable. This because their self esteem(Ven) and reputation (Cap)is also wrapped into that relationship somehow.

So the women are the type to judge themselves and (by extension) other women on the number of relationships/ marriages they have had on one hand. But then (and perhaps more importantly)what level of importance their partners were on the other.

Venus in Cap women for instance will have no problem(and even admiration) for a woman who marries many times.This isn't about how "lose" or "easy" the woman is. But who she is marrying "up" to. So if she goes from Bill Gates to Elon Musk.That's love goals!!!

Marriage/love/looks and Venus related things, are seen as a way(or a stepping stone) to climb up a ladder or self actualize in some way to increase reputation.

The men tend to judge their prospect by how many (public) partners they've had. And whether or not the partner is still "eligible" or "exclusive". Some like the "virginal" kind (and not exclusively pertaining to sexual prowess)or one who is inexperienced. So that they can play the role of authority and "teacher".

Again, this doesn't necessarily mean "sutl shaming". No. But it does mean these men like to capture/have what other men want i.e arm candy. They do like the "trophy" partner thing (especially when young). It adds to their self worth.

But as these Ven-Cap men grow older,they don't mind a more "experienced" partner i.e. Either they are more famous than he, have more money than he or are more connected than he etc.

I find Venus in Cap men(Moon too) can be very much the "social climber" to the core in many cases.This even when it comes to love.They want to date a "type" that will add/amplify their reputation somehow.And they will use their looks/ charm/social capital to ensure that that happens .

posted June 07, 2022 08:16 AM            

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My Venus is loosely square Pluto and in a mixed reception with Saturn and Mars. It's also tightly parallel with Neptune and Valentine.

I am very sacrificial and completely anti-materialistic in love matters.

To what I do relate are long long gaps between relationships, staying obsessively stuck for a long time after a relationship is over. By default I expect each relationship to be with the One, even if facts scream the opposite and if I tell myself that it's not the case. I am very jealous and possessive but I often hide it. At the pre-relationship stage I can be demonstratively cold and avoidant with the one I have a crush on. I kind of do anti-flirting. Flings are not for me, let alone one-night stands. I can do pushing away at different moments to see if it holds and if he truly wants to be with me. My feelings are like the bottom of an iceberg.

I was in love with people across generations (like over 35, over 15 years older than me). And recently I was with someone 8 years younger.

I have no attraction to males just because they are males. Only if there's a connection I can be attracted to someone. So I kind of consider myself demi-sexual. It's very rare that I feel the connection.

posted June 07, 2022 03:39 PM              

I've observed that Planetary energies tend to be stronger and more consistent than Sign. A lot of what you described sounds like a combo of the Neptune parallel and Pluto square to your Venus, and only some being Capricorn.

But, our Venus Sign placement anyways doesn't say much about about our core character and personality. It's more of a niche area and part of our psyche. We already have things like our strongest Planet, our Sun Sign, Rising, and Moon sign which all together really says the most about our overall character and personality in a more core, fundamental, and over arching way.

Venus specifically relates to how we relate in closer interpersonal connections, what we find attractive/appealing or beautiful in others and in life in general (nature, music, arts, etc).

Specifically, in a mostly straight woman's chart, Venus represents what she is willing and tends to give to a partner, and what she is more generally attracted to in people as a whole, but not as strongly about the partner. It is in a mostly straight male's chart where Venus strongly indicates what he is attracted to specifically in a partner (along with Desc and Moon, and sometimes 5th).

To go back to planets vs signs briefly. I was briefly involved with a person that has Venus in Pisces, but conjunct Pisces Saturn with 4* separation and in her 7th.

I don't know how she interacted with others or partners in general, but with me, she was not all that Piscean as far as I could tell--except for maybe being confused and overwhelmed easily. But how she treated and interacted with me was very Saturnian. High, high and thick, thick walls. She had a very hard time being open and vulnerable with me. I always felt like I was being kept at a distance, even while I could feel her attraction to and wanting to be close to me beneath that.

She had said that a lot of her previous partners had been pathological liars, so maybe that is where the Pisces Desc and Venus comes in, with the worst of Saturn contributing.

So what she "gave" me, was her Saturnian fear, boundaries, and separativeness. She would talk about boundaries on social media like they were the end all and be all to life. Like they defined her. Like almost justifying her fear.

As I mentioned in a previous post, I see significant differences between Saturn and Capricorn though there is a loose connection. Capricorn is a deeper, more complex, more Yin, more spiritual oriented, and more caring energy all in all. And in your case, with Cap Venus parallel Neptune--that ends up acting/feeling more like a Pisces Venus. More Piscean like than that woman with Pisces Venus conjunct Saturn.

But Capricorn still does have some caution and guardedness, and that is something that Cap and Saturn do have in common.

Capricorn is a complex Sign and not very well understood nor delineated in mainstream astrological sources or circles. It is both material and spiritual oriented simultaneously. It is both "daddy" like in some ways, and yet also mothering and sensitive. There are contradictions in this sign. And yes, it does have an intensity and depth of feeling that it does not always reveal or even let on about. I know. Capricorn is my strongest Sign by far and in that more core, fundamental, over arching way.

Sometimes I feel so deeply and intensely*, it is a wonder I don't spontaneously combust. But would anyone ever know it? Not unless they are very sensitive and tuned in.

*But as I say over and over again, things tend to be more of a whole chart reality. Leo Rising with Sun in Cap square Pluto, with Scorp IC very much is part of the above. Then also angular, 7th House Pisces South Node, and Jupiter Rising, are part of all this as well.

posted June 07, 2022 10:17 PM            

He was going through the Uranus square Venus transit too at the time, and I was going through Neptune conjunct Venus transit at the time and well as Pluto sextile Venus transit.

And while this Venus Cap did end up paying on a lot of dates, he totally resented me for it. Which was pretty traumatic for me. While also POed that he felt like he couldn't have a conversation with me about that.

But what can I say Capricorn is in my more fun houses mostly the 8th house.

As a 10th house Venus I do like to flaunt my money for those I love, and it's very important that I am appreciated for it.

posted June 08, 2022 12:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

I have noticed that People with this Venus tend to attach their value and worth with how well they can secure a stable relationship or marriage(unless other factors counter that).

It doesn't necessarily have to be a deliriously happy one. Just stable. This because their self esteem(Ven) and reputation (Cap)is also wrapped into that relationship somehow.

So the women are the type to judge themselves and (by extension) other women on the number of relationships/ marriages they have had on one hand. But then (and perhaps more importantly)what level of importance their partners were on the other.

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Interesting. I am inclined to agree with you too based on my experience. I know of someone with this placement. Married the guy even though he cheated on her. And the engagement came about after she thought I was going to get engaged. As if she was in a competition and measuring her relationship against mine. The thing is that throughout their relationship and even now, she always demonstrates a certain jealousy or envy whenever it showed that I had purchased or accomplished something. As if there were a competition or some insecurity on her part.

I have read that people with this placement can be materialistic. Do they also have the tendency to be envious of others or wanting to destroy the reputation or cause problems for someone who they see doing better in life than them?

After marriage, I was relieved thinking that she would be happy but the animosity never stopped. I thought that maybe it was because she saw me as less than since she got married—I am unmarried and still in a long term relationship with my boyfriend. But that does not seem to be the case. The jealous envy is still a factor. And, the marriage is not a happy one. So, if marriage is the ultimate and the Venus in cap woman has accomplished it, what makes them still envy someone else?

Also, she seems to be into keeping up a fake appearance and portraying an image that is fake. Both she and her husband. They show off a life that from the outside, it looks great but it is all fake. Her husband is only a prize if you go by appearance, which is again fake. It surprises me because people describe that they go for someone who will add to their social mobility—someone with substance but, I do not see it in this case. Also , it seems she is the one who works while he is still hoping he will make it. So, can this sign also be superficial in this manner? Will they become involved with someone who will make them look good as long as it sustains a fake image or a fake portrayal of themselves to others?

Sorry. I am the type of person who would be elated if I were married. Minding my own business instead of making other people feel miserable because I am unhappy. Just curious if this is a negative side of Venus in cap in women.

Thanks.