posted November 13, 2013 01:25 AM              

IF I feel that someone is deserving of it (not being genuine and honest #1) I will do it. Unfortunately I have some other harsh things going on in my chart that can also cause me to be quite aggressive. Sometimes I rather enjoy doing it.

2010 I was VERY angry and vengeful. I basically tortured someone psychologically, and their family. It continued for 6 months until it became a legal threat to me.

2012 I was upset at someone else who I felt was using me and toying with me. 8 months for that one but not aggressive. Subtle with hints of being obvious here and there so that they knew the whole thing was purposeful. Until we no longer had any reason to be anywhere near each other or in contact.

Going Cold - Hmmmmmmm. Another game really. Scorpios KNOW that it's driving the other person crazy, most likely. It could be that they don't care (the recipient). For the Scorpio, it's just a little sting and them move on. The other person might as well just not exist. They are erased.

MOST likely, his revealing things to you was a very big deal to him. A test of sorts really to see if you would maintain interest despite the secrets. When you said, "I guess. We'll see." Of course I wasn't there so I can't say for sure but perhaps that was taken as a sign that whatever he shared with you had caused you to rethink the whole idea of dating.

Last year, this one, sort of friend. We hung out a couple times. They were interested in dating. I gave signals to basically decline. We remained friends. Over time I changed my mind and started to give clues of interest. Then they seemed to kind of sidestep it all. (Pisces) One day, I wrote a long message that was much more clear about my intentions. No response. A couple weeks later I wrote another that was just a lengthy "Hi. How are you?"
No response again for a couple of weeks. So, boom. Disappeared.

Another person did similar but the final thing was when they set up a lunch date with me. I told them to get in touch about the specific time - nothing. That p***ed me off. Disappeared - blocked all avenues of communication.

I'm not saying I'm full Scorpio exactly but there's a LOT of that kind of energy and key things in my chart. Plus just some other placements/aspects that kind of add fuel to it all.

That's how I understand it to be.

posted November 13, 2013 03:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
It's usually the same people who have wet dreams about Edward Cullen that rave on about Scorpios lol.

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I think 11Nahyt's ears must be burning...

posted November 13, 2013 03:52 AM            

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Originally posted by joyful1:
The stubborn Leo in me texted him 4x.

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Don't do this again. Multiple texts from you and no answer from him is really a mistake. Whatever you do or whatever way you want to relate this to astrology don't come across as needy.

posted November 13, 2013 04:06 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
MOST likely, his revealing things to you was a very big deal to him. A test of sorts really to see if you would maintain interest despite the secrets. When you said, "I guess. We'll see." Of course I wasn't there so I can't say for sure but perhaps that was taken as a sign that whatever he shared with you had caused you to rethink the whole idea of dating.

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When I first read the "I jokingly said "I guess we will see..." I cringed.

I consistently become more and more embarrassed about information I've let out about myself and if someone joked about it, I would immediately want to rewind and take back everything I said. I would consider myself a fool and I hate that feeling.

I know that this is bad but it's just what happens. It feels very painful to let anything out and then it starts to weigh on my mind.

I'm too serious and I should know how to take a joke but I don't.

Also, he might be enjoying the same thought toward all your texts and questions "I guess we will see..."

posted November 13, 2013 07:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
It's usually the same people who have wet dreams about Edward Cullen that rave on about Scorpios lol.

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^^^^ Bahahahahahahahaha

posted November 13, 2013 08:07 AM            

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Originally posted by MsPrism:
When I first read the "I jokingly said "I guess we will see..." I cringed.

I consistently become more and more embarrassed about information I've let out about myself and if someone joked about it, I would immediately want to rewind and take back everything I said. I would consider myself a fool and I hate that feeling.

I know that this is bad but it's just what happens. It feels very painful to let anything out and then it starts to weigh on my mind.

I'm too serious and I should know how to take a joke but I don't.

Also, he might be enjoying the same thought toward all your texts and questions "I guess we will see..."

I'm sorry this is happening to you.

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I am seeing now how that was a mistake (the joking around).He just had such an ego so I thought it was okay for me to joke too. As well as my continual texts were also a mistake. This was back in March though. Scorpio disappeared for awhile but recently came back about a month ago. First he would crudely joke with me, but just a couple nights ago he let me in again and allowed me to see him cry. He also sent me a bunch of love ballads he wanted me to listen too. This is all very confusing. He also talks very sexual to me and brings up everything from the night we had sex. He remembers it all and tries to get validation from me. I again have joked with him saying "I probably barely remember that night." I'm assuming now that's a mistake too. In fact, he pretty much remembers every detail about anything I ever told him. It's very flattering. He has a ton of passion which intrigues me as I usually go for rather aloof, detached guys aka Aquarius.

posted November 13, 2013 08:11 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
No response again for a couple of weeks. So, boom. Disappeared.

I do find it amusing that people rave about Scorpio and then complain when they've been mindf***ed.

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Lol...thanks for sharing The "Boom, disappeared sounds just like him. lol. Even when he texts me he always uses the word "Boom."

And I agree with you about people raving about Scorpio then complaining. I just want to make sure he isn't just messing with me. I guess if he is, the important thing is I have fun in the process

posted November 13, 2013 09:51 AM            

Scorpio is seen darkly because it touches so much that we reject. We want sex, but have been told that it is impure. Death beckons us all, but is denied in cellophane-wrapped America, a culture of the young in permanent denial of the wisdom, degeneration and transformation of old age. Scorpio's also about power, oh yes, that too. It is about the exchange of emotions, feelings and dollars, of time for money that we call work. Yet we turn our eyes away from the exchange, wanting but not watching, desiring without understanding.

We're in denial, too independent, wanting open relationships, modern relationships, negotiable partnerships with reasonable limits. But, what are the limits of love, of passion, of the Soul. Why must we draw such clear lines of separation when that very separation is an illusion itself, the Cardinal Illusion that we are separate individuals, when we are truly bound together by our common humanness. Scorpio threatens us because we have forgotten that we are not apart, but connected to one another and everything else. Call it God, Goddess, Spirit, Nature, the All, whatever. It's Scorpio whose waters descend into our cracks and crevices separating us from the separations and reminding us that we are One.

Describing the ways in which Scorpio works in one's chart and life is not easy. The reason is that there seem to be two distinct ways in which Scorpio expresses itself. There is the introverted Scorpio energy, closed, repressed feelings and fear of self-expression and power. The extraverted Scorpio energy, however, is a powerful force for change, showing itself as passion and intensity. There are some astrological clues, of course, as to which is more likely in a given natal chart. (Although, we certainly can change patterns during the course of a life.) First, the overall tone of the chart is a useful guide. If there is a strong emphasis on outgoing signs (primarily fire and air) or planets (Mars, Sun, Jupiter), the extraverted side will probably dominate. If, though, the chart is characterized by water and earth or heavy Saturn and Pluto placements, Scorpio is probably going to withhold its secrets and feelings.

Other keys are the conditions of Scorpio's ruling planets, Mars and Pluto. Ruling planets, those most closely associated with a particular sign, provide rich detail about the most likely forms of its expression. For example, a Scorpio with Mars in Leo may take more chances than one with Mars in Cancer. If you have Scorpio on the cusp of the Second House of money and resources, Mars in exacting Virgo may indicate a more careful and self-critical approach to these matters. But, if Mars is in adventurous Sagittarius, an individual may take more risks with money and resources.

The influence of Pluto is also quite important here, but its slow movement through the zodiac (over 243 years) means that it can stay in a single sign for over 20 years! Pluto's sign, then, is a less personal (and reliable) guide to Scorpio's expression. Instead, note the aspects that Pluto forms, as well as its natal house placement. If someone has Pluto in a harmonious sextile to the natal Moon he or she may be confident in their ability to deal with crises and change. Pluto square the Moon, however, may require years of deep personal work (or just the grace of God) to overcome its fundamental distrust in the nurturance of life.

Astrology's rulership scheme helps us weave together seemingly disparate pieces of the chart. A person might have Scorpio on the cusp of the Fourth House. Intense, perhaps hidden, issues may have dominated family life. If the ruler Mars is in Capricorn in the Eighth House, then dominance, control, even sexuality may be key issues. If that Mars is harmoniously connected with Venus or the Moon, positive social skills, female influences or emotional awareness are tools that facilitate a more comfortable relationship with one's family. If Mars (or Pluto) is in primarily stressful relationships (hard aspects such as a square or opposition) with key planets, the early life challenges may be more difficult (but not impossible) to overcome.

When we "jump" around a chart with rulers we are going to come across contradictions. Ease and stress are not separate experiences, but two ends of the same spectrum. Most of us are strong sometimes and weak others, confident in some situations, shy in others. The astrologer's job is not to determine the absolute truth, but is, rather, to describe the ingredients of the personality in such a way as to show meaning, inspire hope and help in the release of the client's full potentials.

Releasing potential is an essential quality of Scorpio. However, most of us do not express the full force of our powers. The likely source is a distrust of power itself. This is another basic Scorpio theme. Many of us have been taught that power corrupts. We often have models of this kind of abuse of power. But, it is powerlessness that corrupts. It is the fearful and the weak who are cruel to others. When we truly feel powerful inside, there's no reason to belittle others. Scorpio, measuring the exchange of energy between people, has a great deal to do with power. If we do not trust ourselves with power, the Scorpio expression in our charts is likely to be indirect, covert and more damaging than helpful. But, if you have confidence in your judgment and are, therefore, allowed to influence others, power flows freely and safely.

One of the rules of nature is that energy is alive. The repression of it, as in hiding one's power, is costly. The first cost is loss of access. We can not use our influence for the good if our fear of its improper use is too strong. For example, with Scorpio on the cusp of the Third House of communications and perceptions, a fearful parent may have distorted your communication. She or he may have taught you how to use sarcasm to avoid direct expression of your feelings. You may have experienced fear that you would be punished for saying the wrong things. Scorpio's accountability may have been excessively harsh coming from a wounded parent or older sibling. So, you may not trust your own words. You do not communicate at your highest level of potential. You see so much that you are afraid to talk about.

Confident Scorpio on the Third consciously uses its power of speech to emotionally connect with others. Perceptions are profound, but not negative. It's the investigator who is interested in understanding, rather than the one who is looking in the dark corners for evidence of your crimes. If Scorpio is there to punish, power will be abused through dominance or turned inward. It's expensive to repress power. Not only do you and the world miss its positive potential to touch, help and heal, but forced inwardly and muzzled in the unconscious, power turns toxic. Pockets of desire, encapsulated in fear and swallowed in the darkness of the unconscious, can be breeding grounds of disease.

Scorpio needs something to chew on. It's quite paradoxical because it is a fixed sign of transformation. Scorpio's about death and rebirth, not one constant state. Maybe we're frozen like deer in the headlights when faced with desires beyond the level of reason. Beyond Reason, that's a good name for Scorpio. Libra, the previous sign, is about reason. It is the balanced mind, the cardinal air sharpened by the perfect equilibrium of detachment and connection. Libra's the first sign of partnership, the first to see others as equal. The journey of individualization that began in the spring with Aries is turning back towards its origins, the universal. We seek ourselves through others.

posted November 13, 2013 10:51 AM            

Gotta agree with Yanmorg here though - most Scorpios don't play mind games with those they really care about. So you're probably just an entertainment to him at this point.

posted November 13, 2013 01:09 PM              

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Good Lord, it doesn't matter what his Sun sign is, if he's treating you unfairly, he's a d-bag and you shouldn't waste one more second on him.

Gotta agree with Yanmorg here though - most Scorpios don't play mind games with those they really care about. So you're probably just an entertainment to him at this point.

As for the "why"... Well, some people just like having "control" over others (as delusional as it may be).
He prolly enjoys manipulating you, simple as that.

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Agree.
I don't think a Scorpio would "play a game" intentionally with someone that they care about. Withdrawal can seem like a confusing game but it's a natural reaction to hurt. It's really frustrating to me when I'm accused of being manipulative and controlling. Perhaps it's true but there's no conscience effort.

If he's focusing on sex then very likely that's what he's come back for. The fact that he can recall so many details may not mean very much. He may just have a strong memory.

posted November 13, 2013 02:13 PM            

DeepFreeze, what are your Scorpio/Pluto/8th house influences?

posted November 13, 2013 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Had to share this!

In my experience, this kind of thing will just drive a Scorpio to madness! It does me. This is PRECISELY the kind of garbage as to why I myself, disappear.
LOL
http://teamcoco.com/video/aziz-ansari-texting-dating

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posted November 13, 2013 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:

Last year, this one, sort of friend. We hung out a couple times. They were interested in dating. I gave signals to basically decline. We remained friends. Over time I changed my mind and started to give clues of interest. Then they seemed to kind of sidestep it all. (Pisces)

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posted November 13, 2013 02:47 PM              

Liliya -
I thought about that. LOL It's true but then people do it! I don't get that part. I won't do to someone else what annoys me. Especially not if they're my friend. Things like that are things that I don't take lightly and won't just gloss over. To me, it's the difference between being important to someone (or people) and just being side kick. Like, having to chase after friends. You are or are not. If this is the scenario, you "are not". I hate this crap with such passion!!

Dadoo -
Point taken and that's how I took it. Well, not so much humiliating but as them saying, "you had your chance. Too late".
Probably they also might have thought, "What happens if I accept? Then they will change their mind again? No thanks."
Either way, I got the general message. I was just like, "See ya" because I had no further interest. It was an acquaintance that I hung out once with. (when they had interest) After that we only spoke in passing mostly. So no skin off my back to cut ties and carry on. Probably likewise for them.

posted November 13, 2013 03:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
I have a stellium in Scorpio (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Pluto, and Descendant) and I don't play the typical mind games Scorpios are known for. If I do play any type of "game" with you, it usually means I'm not interested in you. You might just be good conversation or simply someone to go to when I am bored, but if I was really into someone, it's all or nothing. i see no one else at that point and I'm usually ready to settle into a comfortable relationship with that person. I don't disappear and I don't play hard to get.

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posted November 13, 2013 03:19 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I don't like to share too much about it.
[...] An outer planet in Scorpio aspecting moon.

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Mhm, I can see that.
I bet it's Uranus - you seem to be quite the flighty type.

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Originally posted by geea:
question: how do you keep someone in suspense?
answer: ill tell you later

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posted November 13, 2013 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Had to share this!

In my experience, this kind of thing will just drive a Scorpio to madness! It does me. This is PRECISELY the kind of garbage as to why I myself, disappear.
LOL
http://teamcoco.com/video/aziz-ansari-texting-dating

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Bahahaha best link ever. So true!!!
Also, to clarify, I don't withdraw from people so it's very difficult for me to understand. And I'm single, in my experience most guys in general focus on sex. So I don't know that it's necessarily all he is after.
He knew I got hurt in a competition Saturday and he got ahold of me to see how I was doing. We then had a 3 hour conversation and he let me see him cry, etc. He then sent me a bunch of love ballads he wanted me to listen too. lol.

Thanks everyone for your advice. And no worries, I am living my life, not just waiting in the wings on the off chance something might happen with this guy. He's just interesting to me. Either obsessive and sending me ten million texts and calling non stop and he even stalks me or cold where he just disappears for a week at a time.

posted November 13, 2013 04:48 PM            

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Originally posted by JudyVanTassel:
Scorpio, the sign with the stinger, is adored and feared, desired and reviled. Why does this sign evoke such intense responses in many people, even those who know little about astrology? It is the season, I think. You know, Halloween, the Day of the Dead, falling leaves, shrinking days. Scorpio is a reminder that things must die so that others may be born. It is a remembrance of our mortality and the impossibility of cheating death. Sex and death, clinging lovers in the dance of life. The passion of connection that leads to conception. The urge to merge that brings babies. The natural rhythms blotted out by electric lights and medical technology.

Scorpio is seen darkly because it touches so much that we reject. We want sex, but have been told that it is impure. Death beckons us all, but is denied in cellophane-wrapped America, a culture of the young in permanent denial of the wisdom, degeneration and transformation of old age. Scorpio's also about power, oh yes, that too. It is about the exchange of emotions, feelings and dollars, of time for money that we call work. Yet we turn our eyes away from the exchange, wanting but not watching, desiring without understanding.

We're in denial, too independent, wanting open relationships, modern relationships, negotiable partnerships with reasonable limits. But, what are the limits of love, of passion, of the Soul. Why must we draw such clear lines of separation when that very separation is an illusion itself, the Cardinal Illusion that we are separate individuals, when we are truly bound together by our common humanness. Scorpio threatens us because we have forgotten that we are not apart, but connected to one another and everything else. Call it God, Goddess, Spirit, Nature, the All, whatever. It's Scorpio whose waters descend into our cracks and crevices separating us from the separations and reminding us that we are One.

Describing the ways in which Scorpio works in one's chart and life is not easy. The reason is that there seem to be two distinct ways in which Scorpio expresses itself. There is the introverted Scorpio energy, closed, repressed feelings and fear of self-expression and power. The extraverted Scorpio energy, however, is a powerful force for change, showing itself as passion and intensity. There are some astrological clues, of course, as to which is more likely in a given natal chart. (Although, we certainly can change patterns during the course of a life.) First, the overall tone of the chart is a useful guide. If there is a strong emphasis on outgoing signs (primarily fire and air) or planets (Mars, Sun, Jupiter), the extraverted side will probably dominate. If, though, the chart is characterized by water and earth or heavy Saturn and Pluto placements, Scorpio is probably going to withhold its secrets and feelings.

Other keys are the conditions of Scorpio's ruling planets, Mars and Pluto. Ruling planets, those most closely associated with a particular sign, provide rich detail about the most likely forms of its expression. For example, a Scorpio with Mars in Leo may take more chances than one with Mars in Cancer. If you have Scorpio on the cusp of the Second House of money and resources, Mars in exacting Virgo may indicate a more careful and self-critical approach to these matters. But, if Mars is in adventurous Sagittarius, an individual may take more risks with money and resources.

The influence of Pluto is also quite important here, but its slow movement through the zodiac (over 243 years) means that it can stay in a single sign for over 20 years! Pluto's sign, then, is a less personal (and reliable) guide to Scorpio's expression. Instead, note the aspects that Pluto forms, as well as its natal house placement. If someone has Pluto in a harmonious sextile to the natal Moon he or she may be confident in their ability to deal with crises and change. Pluto square the Moon, however, may require years of deep personal work (or just the grace of God) to overcome its fundamental distrust in the nurturance of life.

Astrology's rulership scheme helps us weave together seemingly disparate pieces of the chart. A person might have Scorpio on the cusp of the Fourth House. Intense, perhaps hidden, issues may have dominated family life. If the ruler Mars is in Capricorn in the Eighth House, then dominance, control, even sexuality may be key issues. If that Mars is harmoniously connected with Venus or the Moon, positive social skills, female influences or emotional awareness are tools that facilitate a more comfortable relationship with one's family. If Mars (or Pluto) is in primarily stressful relationships (hard aspects such as a square or opposition) with key planets, the early life challenges may be more difficult (but not impossible) to overcome.

When we "jump" around a chart with rulers we are going to come across contradictions. Ease and stress are not separate experiences, but two ends of the same spectrum. Most of us are strong sometimes and weak others, confident in some situations, shy in others. The astrologer's job is not to determine the absolute truth, but is, rather, to describe the ingredients of the personality in such a way as to show meaning, inspire hope and help in the release of the client's full potentials.

Releasing potential is an essential quality of Scorpio. However, most of us do not express the full force of our powers. The likely source is a distrust of power itself. This is another basic Scorpio theme. Many of us have been taught that power corrupts. We often have models of this kind of abuse of power. But, it is powerlessness that corrupts. It is the fearful and the weak who are cruel to others. When we truly feel powerful inside, there's no reason to belittle others. Scorpio, measuring the exchange of energy between people, has a great deal to do with power. If we do not trust ourselves with power, the Scorpio expression in our charts is likely to be indirect, covert and more damaging than helpful. But, if you have confidence in your judgment and are, therefore, allowed to influence others, power flows freely and safely.

One of the rules of nature is that energy is alive. The repression of it, as in hiding one's power, is costly. The first cost is loss of access. We can not use our influence for the good if our fear of its improper use is too strong. For example, with Scorpio on the cusp of the Third House of communications and perceptions, a fearful parent may have distorted your communication. She or he may have taught you how to use sarcasm to avoid direct expression of your feelings. You may have experienced fear that you would be punished for saying the wrong things. Scorpio's accountability may have been excessively harsh coming from a wounded parent or older sibling. So, you may not trust your own words. You do not communicate at your highest level of potential. You see so much that you are afraid to talk about.

Confident Scorpio on the Third consciously uses its power of speech to emotionally connect with others. Perceptions are profound, but not negative. It's the investigator who is interested in understanding, rather than the one who is looking in the dark corners for evidence of your crimes. If Scorpio is there to punish, power will be abused through dominance or turned inward. It's expensive to repress power. Not only do you and the world miss its positive potential to touch, help and heal, but forced inwardly and muzzled in the unconscious, power turns toxic. Pockets of desire, encapsulated in fear and swallowed in the darkness of the unconscious, can be breeding grounds of disease.

Scorpio needs something to chew on. It's quite paradoxical because it is a fixed sign of transformation. Scorpio's about death and rebirth, not one constant state. Maybe we're frozen like deer in the headlights when faced with desires beyond the level of reason. Beyond Reason, that's a good name for Scorpio. Libra, the previous sign, is about reason. It is the balanced mind, the cardinal air sharpened by the perfect equilibrium of detachment and connection. Libra's the first sign of partnership, the first to see others as equal. The journey of individualization that began in the spring with Aries is turning back towards its origins, the universal. We seek ourselves through others.

Libra lights the way. It is reasonable, clear in the mind. But, Scorpio takes us beyond the mind. We descend into the body, into our emotions and primal feelings, the lower chakras. If Libra is the sign of relationship, Scorpio is its consummation. The idea of union in one's mind is much different than the consequences of the act itself. Libra opens a door to connection by way of the mind. Scorpio takes that connection deeper and, somehow, below the level of reason. Libra is about being fair. Scorpio is about survival. It is the force that allows the lion to eat the zebra. Survival operates below the level of fairness in an intellectual sense. It is not an idea. Scorpio is not an idea. Its a state of being, the space between Libra's open door to sharing and Sagittarius' search for intimacy beyond the personal level.

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posted November 13, 2013 06:06 PM            

Apart from sex, I mean.
Because yes, it's more often than not the Scorpio way of solving stuff but I kind of don't like the idea of them behaving like jerks and getting rewarded