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Topic: What does Exalted Mean? Why are Signs that are not rulers considered exalted?
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goatcat
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posted April 02, 2013 12:21 AM
  
I love having my Venus in Pisces. I think it softens my Capricorn sun to be loving and passionate. IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted April 02, 2013 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by goatcat:
I love having my Venus in Pisces. I think it softens my Capricorn sun to be loving and passionate.
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12thhouser
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posted April 02, 2013 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by goatcat:
I love having my Venus in Pisces. I think it softens my Capricorn sun to be loving and passionate.
Curious, but do you mean passionate or compassionate? IP: Logged |
goatcat
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posted April 02, 2013 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Curious, but do you mean passionate or compassionate?
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freebrainstorms
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posted April 02, 2013 03:27 AM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
lol... never been walked over, nor have i escaped through drugs and alcohol.Venus in Pisces conjunct Pisces ascendant.
i've been walked over quite a bit, but i have a mars in sagittarius so i don't take that **** as much anymore now that i'm older. i have verrrrrrry much so escaped trhough drugs and alcohol venus in pisces conjunct pisces ascendant LOL quote:
Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Honestly, I don't know a Venus in Pisces. Thank god I don't, it squares my venus in gemmy
you know me!  Don't hate us because we love you lol No seriously, i have 2 best friends with their venus in gemini and although we have very different approaches and yes many other positive aspects that also influence our synastry, i've found that we've really learned a ton about life through each other and life wouldn't be the same without them. IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted April 02, 2013 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by freebrainstorms:
Don't hate us because we love you
It's the other way around. They love us since Venus loves Pisces.  IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted April 02, 2013 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by freebrainstorms:
i've been walked over quite a bit, but i have a mars in sagittarius so i don't take that **** as much anymore now that i'm older. i have verrrrrrry much so escaped trhough drugs and alcoholvenus in pisces conjunct pisces ascendant LOL
On which side of your ascendant, 12th house or 1st? What aspects does your Venus make?
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12thhouser
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posted April 02, 2013 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by goatcat:
I love having my Venus in Pisces. I think it softens my Capricorn sun to be loving and passionate.
I forgot to ask, which house? IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted April 02, 2013 12:09 PM
Here's something else I came across (forgot to bookmark the site to reference) that explains the dignities and debilities fairly well:Rulership is also called Essential Dignity. A planet in its Dignity gains an energy boost. Other concepts related to Rulership involve the interrelationship from one sign to another. Detriment: A planet in the sign opposite the Dignity expresses itself in its Detriment. This is a dilution of energy. Exaltation: When a planet is in its exaltation, the energy expression is strengthened and intensified. Fall: A planet in the sign opposite the Exaltation carries extra weight or is hampered in some manner. This is much like a pollution of the energy symbolized by the planet. Something else I read that I thought made an interesting point (and haven't seen it mentioned in other astrology books or sites): the downside to planets in their rulership is that they can act like an island, and if hard-aspected, doesn't make it immune to the potentially harsh effects. For example, say someone has Venus in Libra (ruler) square Mars in Cancer (fall), not only can the square cause possibly undesired tension, but Mars is not only not well-placed, but not well-received, either. Venus would be peregrine in Cancer, so overall, while the aspect may serves its purposes, it's not the most powerful combination. Whereas if someone had Mars in Libra trine Venus in Aquarius, not only is this a harmonious aspect, but Mars receives Venus well (in Libra). Granted, these may not be the most obvious examples of how having a planet in its ruler isn't all it's cracked up to be, but the point is to show how a planet in its rulership can often seem like it's acting alone, even when aspected. As far as exalted in concerned, some consider it weaker than rulersghip, while others consider it stronger (and more intense). Again, it depends on how it is aspected and if it's well-received by the planets (and sign) it's aspecting. IP: Logged |
freebrainstorms
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posted April 02, 2013 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
On which side of your ascendant, 12th house or 1st? What aspects does your Venus make?
1st house, opposite moon, trine pluto, sextile neptune, square saturn, uranus, mars
then square sun, mercury. astro.com says my mercury is actually conjunct my ascendant but it's in aquarius so you know. IP: Logged |
SoStellarOne
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posted April 02, 2013 05:42 PM
I have Venus in Pisces and when I was younger as a child, I definitely gotten walked all over and taken advantage of, but as I gotten older that has pretty much changed after a few hard knock lessons. I have 4 planets in Pisces, but I have Air and Fire Signs to balance it out. I've noticed that I tend to have "a calming effect" on people. I don't quite understand it, but I've noticed that most people become gentle, calm, sweet and sort of protective in my presence. I don't quite need it, but they just do it only because they want to. I think that's probably the exalted effect, but it's crazy.IP: Logged |
inthemisosoup
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posted April 02, 2013 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Here's something else I came across (forgot to bookmark the site to reference) that explains the dignities and debilities fairly well:[b]Rulership is also called Essential Dignity. A planet in its Dignity gains an energy boost. Other concepts related to Rulership involve the interrelationship from one sign to another. Detriment: A planet in the sign opposite the Dignity expresses itself in its Detriment. This is a dilution of energy. Exaltation: When a planet is in its exaltation, the energy expression is strengthened and intensified. Fall: A planet in the sign opposite the Exaltation carries extra weight or is hampered in some manner. This is much like a pollution of the energy symbolized by the planet. Something else I read that I thought made an interesting point (and haven't seen it mentioned in other astrology books or sites): the downside to planets in their rulership is that they can act like an island, and if hard-aspected, doesn't make it immune to the potentially harsh effects. For example, say someone has Venus in Libra (ruler) square Mars in Cancer (fall), not only can the square cause possibly undesired tension, but Mars is not only not well-placed, but not well-received, either. Venus would be peregrine in Cancer, so overall, while the aspect may serves its purposes, it's not the most powerful combination. Whereas if someone had Mars in Libra trine Venus in Aquarius, not only is this a harmonious aspect, but Mars receives Venus well (in Libra). Granted, these may not be the most obvious examples of how having a planet in its ruler isn't all it's cracked up to be, but the point is to show how a planet in its rulership can often seem like it's acting alone, even when aspected. As far as exalted in concerned, some consider it weaker than rulersghip, while others consider it stronger (and more intense). Again, it depends on how it is aspected and if it's well-received by the planets (and sign) it's aspecting. [/B]
How wouod you consider venus in scorpio trine mars in pisces? Venus is in detriment but trining mars in its sign of exaltation...and a pisces mars is seen as rather weak but trines venus in its essential dignity. IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted April 02, 2013 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by inthemisosoup:
How wouod you consider venus in scorpio trine mars in pisces? Venus is in detriment but trining mars in its sign of exaltation...and a pisces mars is seen as rather weak but trines venus in its essential dignity.
To me, that's more strength through receptivity rather than placement. So, there's still potential.
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12thhouser
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posted April 02, 2013 06:18 PM
To those who have venus in Pisces and feel you were walked all over at a younger age, which house was it in?IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted April 02, 2013 06:29 PM
I dont mean to sound like I'm bragging but having the moon in taurus(sign of exaltation for the moon) is the best imo. All my other placements are aquarius,gemini,and capricorn, doesnt sound very fuzzy does it? All the talk about aquarius and capricorn coldness and aloofness doesnt apply to me at all. On the contrary I'm very loving and affectionate. My mom will even tell you that I have the most loving disposition out of all her children ( i have a cancer sister and leo brother). IMO this just goes to show how powerful the moon in taurus is. Its literally the only thing in my chart that explains the loving/romantic streak I have in my personality. If I didnt have the moon in taurus I imagine I would be very cold. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 02, 2013 08:13 PM
There is the Domicile and the Detriment and the Exaltation and the Fall. They are positions for each planet.IP: Logged |
Jkitty
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posted April 02, 2013 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Here's something else I came across (forgot to bookmark the site to reference) that explains the dignities and debilities fairly well:[b]Rulership is also called Essential Dignity. A planet in its Dignity gains an energy boost. Other concepts related to Rulership involve the interrelationship from one sign to another. Detriment: A planet in the sign opposite the Dignity expresses itself in its Detriment. This is a dilution of energy. Exaltation: When a planet is in its exaltation, the energy expression is strengthened and intensified. Fall: A planet in the sign opposite the Exaltation carries extra weight or is hampered in some manner. This is much like a pollution of the energy symbolized by the planet. Something else I read that I thought made an interesting point (and haven't seen it mentioned in other astrology books or sites): the downside to planets in their rulership is that they can act like an island, and if hard-aspected, doesn't make it immune to the potentially harsh effects. For example, say someone has Venus in Libra (ruler) square Mars in Cancer (fall), not only can the square cause possibly undesired tension, but Mars is not only not well-placed, but not well-received, either. Venus would be peregrine in Cancer, so overall, while the aspect may serves its purposes, it's not the most powerful combination. Whereas if someone had Mars in Libra trine Venus in Aquarius, not only is this a harmonious aspect, but Mars receives Venus well (in Libra). Granted, these may not be the most obvious examples of how having a planet in its ruler isn't all it's cracked up to be, but the point is to show how a planet in its rulership can often seem like it's acting alone, even when aspected. As far as exalted in concerned, some consider it weaker than rulersghip, while others consider it stronger (and more intense). Again, it depends on how it is aspected and if it's well-received by the planets (and sign) it's aspecting. [/B]
Can they ever just cancel out and be a complete wash? Take this from my chart:
Jupiter in Capricorn (detriment) but in the 4th house (exalted) conjunct Saturn in Capricorn (rulership) but in the 4th house (fall). IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted April 02, 2013 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
There is the Domicile and the Detriment and the Exaltation and the Fall. They are positions for each planet.
Those are the dignities and debilities, yes. Then there's peregrine, when a planet or luminary is placed in none-of-the-above. IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted April 02, 2013 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by Jkitty:
Can they ever just cancel out and be a complete wash? Take this from my chart:
Jupiter in Capricorn (detriment) but in the 4th house (exalted) conjunct Saturn in Capricorn (rulership) but in the 4th house (fall).
Well, the dignities and debilities are by sign. When they're in houses associated with a dignified or debilitated sign, it's said to be in "accidental domicile/exaltation" or in "accidental detriment/fall." In the case you give, Jupiter would be "accidentally exalted" and Saturn would be
"accidental detriment." In my opinion, the "accidental" part doesn't really cancel out the exaltation or detriment, since signs show how and the houses show the area(s) of your life. One does not cancel out the other, in my view.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 02, 2013 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Those are the dignities and debilities, yes. Then there's peregrine, when a planet or luminary is placed in none-of-the-above.
I have this. This is the Unaspected Planet. I have Venus Unaspected.
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12thhouser
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posted April 02, 2013 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have this. This is the Unaspected Planet. I have Venus Unaspected.
What sign?
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freebrainstorms
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posted April 03, 2013 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by SoStellarOne:
I have Venus in Pisces and when I was younger as a child, I definitely gotten walked all over and taken advantage of, but as I gotten older that has pretty much changed after a few hard knock lessons. I have 4 planets in Pisces, but I have Air and Fire Signs to balance it out. I've noticed that I tend to have "a calming effect" on people. I don't quite understand it, but I've noticed that most people become gentle, calm, sweet and sort of protective in my presence. I don't quite need it, but they just do it only because they want to. I think that's probably the exalted effect, but it's crazy.
same! i'm always the peacemaker in almost any kind of setting and people either feel comfortable letting me take care of them or become super protective in my presence...exactly like you said. I have 2 planets in air, 3 (including ascendant) in water and 4 in fire. IP: Logged |
bridgetostars23
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posted April 03, 2013 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
To me, that's more strength through receptivity rather than placement. So, there's still potential.
I have Mars in Pisces trining Venus in Scorpio too. I am glad to see something positive since I don't really enjoy that Mars in Pisces too much at all.
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12thhouser
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posted April 03, 2013 08:51 AM
I've been told that I'm very approachable, and that could be chalked up to my Venus in Pisces or Jupiter in Pisces (they're conjunct). For me, what could counter anyone trying to walk all over me could be my Mars/Pluto/Saturn T-square in Cap/Libra/Cancer. I've been told this T-square combination is one of the most intense ones to have. That might explain why some people seem to get intimidated by me in person. Anyways, back to exaltations. IP: Logged |
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