posted March 30, 2013 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

ahaha andstuff, cool post, you sure you're not overcompensating there?

Quite truthfully though, nothing is set in stone.. but it can be hard for Venus/Saturn people to find love. Ya just can't ignore that.

But fortunately, we all have some very good transits/progressions sometimes which are good opportunities to find love/feel romance!

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Lol DouxReve for whom has it ever been easy? When other girls boyfriends can't take their eyes off me and listen to every word I say and have that sorrowfully longing expression that makes me guilty.... I'm like who wants that sh*t? This cannot be true love. I wouldn't like my boys to act that way. Or when your friends boyfriend tells you all about his inner life and contemplates infidelity...... Meanwhile this friend calls it love and doesn't know anything, and everyone calls them a cute couple........

My truest love had Venus inconjunct saturn rx though And gosh was he messed up. Got laid all over the place (speaking of overcompensation) and I haven't seen him for 3 years yet he keeps telling me how he feels about me even though I have to admit it took me a while to pick myself up when it fell apart w him, but it was beautiful, he wrote me love songs - and my Saturn return is still due in some 2 years

posted March 30, 2013 10:09 AM              

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I don't think bossiness would have to do with Venus/Saturn but who knows..

ahaha andstuff, cool post, you sure you're not overcompensating there?

Quite truthfully though, nothing is set in stone.. but it can be hard for Venus/Saturn people to find love. Ya just can't ignore that.

But fortunately, we all have some very good transits/progressions sometimes which are good opportunities to find love/feel romance!

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I had read that they can be bossy. As for love. My boyfriend says he doesnt tell people he loves them. Its hard for him. He told me he loved me once and it was so hard for him to let it out. But he did it. He said he probably wont ever say it again lol! But he always tells me how he feels about me. Hes very affectionate and he shows it with actions.

When it comes to his daughters he easily says i love you.

posted March 30, 2013 10:22 AM            

Andstuff - must be your Venus/Pluto trine! Definitely not Saturn But it's good that you're making the best out of your aspects!

Venusian - could be! I know some people who are bossy indeed but they usually have something else that could factor in, too, like a prominent Mars or Leo/Aries placements.

posted March 30, 2013 10:36 AM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
Lol DouxReve for whom has it ever been easy? When other girls boyfriends can't take their eyes off me and listen to every word I say and have that sorrowfully longing expression that makes me guilty.... I'm like who wants that sh*t? This cannot be true love. I wouldn't like my boys to act that way. Or when your friends boyfriend tells you all about his inner life and contemplates infidelity...... Meanwhile this friend calls it love and doesn't know anything, and everyone calls them a cute couple........

My truest love had Venus inconjunct saturn rx though And gosh was he messed up. Got laid all over the place (speaking of overcompensation) and I haven't seen him for 3 years yet he keeps telling me how he feels about me even though I have to admit it took me a while to pick myself up when it fell apart w him, but it was beautiful, he wrote me love songs - and my Saturn return is still due in some 2 years

I just have to be honest about it, I can get anyone I want. The only problem is - I find it hard wanting someone. Like I want to feel moved, have poetic feelings and all. This is my Neptune, not my Saturn

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venus square saturn. i can identify with some things here as in being disillusioned with love relationships, wanting love but not that kind. and have occasionally been propositioned to have an affair or just notice the underside of marriages. it seemed incidental when younger but now i think i just completely veered off a love course via many incidentals.

in light of that i'm thinking this aspect could manifest:
1) by venus-saturn being so isolated, whether out of yearning for perfect love or just not being a love interest, that in the end it does mean being exposed to cold, harsh love aspects. maybe if attached people wouldn't proposition, maybe if not critical there wouldn't be encounters with bad sides of love.
2) i don't know, does it mean love is never easy. maybe you can't yearn for perfect love without experiencing the worst.
3) i always seem to be attracted TO very hard people which is a recipe for disaster. quite often they have venus square of opposite saturn

except i find it hard to say i love someone. it's like a gas or liquid substance freezing on immediate exposure when i actually do, it just feels very separate from me but i attribute this to uranus aspects too.

one thing too is as i get older, well hindsight is a good thing and i'm grateful for wanting something true love. i do wobble sometimes but even the happiest marriages have problems i just would rather not have. i have a bit of a fear of sad love arrangements which are also maintained in a very mundane way. this suggests to me that i am running from saturn a bit and real and all the way to pleasure and because of that i get hit with saturn. i encounter a lot of futility in life which maybe is saturn.

posted March 30, 2013 04:46 PM            

Just a gentle request: I had started this thread to be a fun, safe way to talk about sensitive issues involving Venus-Saturn natal aspects, like the kind of life-long struggle with loneliness that myself have dealt with. If you have a harsh Venus-Saturn aspect and your life is super awesome, I'm very happy for you. But please be respectful towards the experiences of others. Saturn's power is in how it can penetrate deep into one's being and sense of self, and we should exercise it conscientiously. Good Saturnine energy is respectful, affirming and gracious. Bad Saturnine energy is judgmental, hurtful and alienating. Let's aim for the good stuff, OK?

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I know a few amazing artists with venus conjunct saturn.
Also some talented singers with this conjunction.

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Yes, it does lend toward artistry if you have other aspects that suggest it. For example, my Venus is also quintile my Moon. Not only does great art influence me deeply and intimiately, I have strong drives to create great art. I'm a musician--I actually taught myself how to read music and play clarient and piano when I was 9, and taught myself to play guitar a few year later. As a teen I taught myself music theory and music history, and learned even more instruments. As an adult, I've gone through many stretches when my depression was too bad for my to do any music, so I know I'm just not myself without music. When I'm not depressed, I pracice guitar and piano every day. It's like eating and sleeping--I need to do it.

I'm always composing music in my head or when I fiddle around on my instruments. I don't have any drive to publish anything so I never record or write my compositions down and eventually I forget them. Then I just compose something else. I would love to create something extraordinary. Maybe one day I will.

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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:

I had read that they can be bossy. As for love. My boyfriend says he doesnt tell people he loves them. Its hard for him.

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Venus conjunct Saturn tends to be less prone to bossiness because of the grace of Venus, but the potential is there, because it a stressful aspect involving Saturn.

posted March 30, 2013 05:03 PM            

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in light of that i'm thinking this aspect could manifest:
1) by venus-saturn being so isolated, whether out of yearning for perfect love or just not being a love interest, that in the end it does mean being exposed to cold, harsh love aspects. maybe if attached people wouldn't proposition, maybe if not critical there wouldn't be encounters with bad sides of love.
2) i don't know, does it mean love is never easy. maybe you can't yearn for perfect love without experiencing the worst.
3) i always seem to be attracted TO very hard people which is a recipe for disaster. quite often they have venus square of opposite saturn

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To give an example that resonates with me, even though this person's life is quite different from mine: an astrologer (I've forgotten which, maybe Liz Greene, who I respect a lot) had a client who had Venus conjunct Saturn. He had been married for many years and had been completely faithful, but he never felt he had been truly in love with his wife and didn't think he could ever fall in love. He said he wish he could--he just didn't think it could happen.

That resonates with me because I can see myself in his shoes. I feel like deep down, I could fall in love but that part of myself is inaccessible to others, or rather, others don't want to make the effort, although I daydream about there being this one person who genuienly strives to "unlock" me.

I think the theme here is a yearning to be understood on a deeper level and that deeper understanding constituting true love. Saturn is the Craftsman. He seeks to shape things on the deepest level and in doing so understands what he shapes very intimately, like woodworker who knows every joint, every nail, every grain of wood of the chair or table he's made.

I yearn for someone to understand me deeply, to care enough to really know me before saying "I love you". Again--sincerity. How can you say you sincerely love me if you haven't tired to know me first? This is in essence why I broke off my engagement with I was 24. i was distressed that my finace didn't see to care to know me on a deeper level. Apperances of being a happy, loving couple was enough for him.

I can see how someone could get married, like this man, to someone who never tried to known them on a deeper level, never tried to "unlock" who they are. And so the Venus-Saturn person finds him ro herself just going through the motions but is still emotionally isolated and disconnected.

posted March 30, 2013 05:13 PM            

I can understand where you're coming from.
But aren't you too hard on yourself?
Why would you need a "reason" for someone to love you, so to speak? I know it seems insincere to you, but.. some people just love others without there being a reason, and without them truly knowing the person. I'm thinking of the more compassionate/open types like Neptunians or Jupiterians. Also, maybe you should try to be more open/expressive so that people can get to know you more quickly and better. That way, you won't have to worry about them not knowing you fully.

I really hope that you find love very soon.
I'm absolutely sure it's in store for you, and every other Venus/Saturn person out there, if only you open your heart a little more and actually expect it to happen. It will, eventually ~

posted March 30, 2013 06:01 PM            

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Hey I just wanted to say

VENUS SATURN INITSELF HAS LESS IMPACT THAN THEY SAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have the square (orb of 5) but I have sh*tloads to make up for it. Such as a grand tribe btw Venus, Pluto and Asc which pretty much cancels it out. And Venus conj mars conj Psyche

I have met conj, square and opp people who had nothing to compensate with and yes they were a sad sight, but I refuse to be compared to them. It's just that it's very rare that there isn't a harmonious aspect to rely on to deal with this

And another word of warning to everyone: stop reading that negative crap late bloomers write in their blogs. They have no sex, so that energy has to go to blogs and so they post accounts of their experience w Venus Saturn, they use "we" instead of "I" because its easier knowing they are not the only aberration! But no one is obliged to be like them! And that "we" doesn't have to include you or anyone. And don't read Liz Greene either, she's too negative.

I love my body and I don't withhold my feelings, I express love alright, I channel it so others come for it when no one even noticed them. This aspect just doesn't play itself out in my life. Whatever problems I have had stemmed from Neptune conj dsc, not Venus Saturn

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I have some good aspects to Venus and progressed Venus makes nice aspects to Neptune.

posted March 30, 2013 06:07 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
My sister is 23 with Venus conjunct Saturn in Capricorn 8th house, she's never been kissed or had sex or been in a relationship. She is strictly asexual

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posted March 31, 2013 01:28 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I have some good aspects to Venus and progressed Venus makes nice aspects to Neptune.

What about the people with Venus/Saturn contacts made them appear so sad?

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I am an empath of sorts so I don't know. Just feels that way. They have that unconfident look and moves. They really want to be loved and it frustrates them it never happens. They go out of their way to lose weight and look good just to be attractive to others as opposed to pleasing themselves. Just my observations

posted March 31, 2013 01:33 AM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
I am an empath of sorts so I don't know. Just feels that way. They have that unconfident look and moves. They really want to be loved and it frustrates them it never happens. They go out of their way to lose weight and look good just to be attractive to others as opposed to pleasing themselves. Just my observations

Also hey Kim Gordon had the opposition (but venus trine Pluto) and she's cool, look at her she pretty much dismantled every single negative notion of hard Venus Saturn aspects

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The misery shows in our faces and that's why we appear in the sad state.

posted March 31, 2013 03:04 AM            

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hannaramaa: Venus/Saturn people (and I'm lumped in here too - square). I've seen a repetitive though that Venus/Saturns want to be sought after, pretty much.

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True for me! If I actually like someone (and let's be real I'm amorous so there's always a few people), they will probably have to be the one to make the move.

posted March 31, 2013 03:14 AM            

Can i join the club? haha :P

i don't personally have the conjunction i have the opposition of it, and i can relate to the point two , i have only fell "truly" in love once and that's it , to make my relationship life worse, my chiron and venus are both conjuncting each other in 7th house opposing saturn in the 1st not really a good combo.

posted March 31, 2013 05:44 AM              

Their astrology forum is full of pricks, and most of them don't even know anything about it.

I was on there a long time ago and some guy was making fun of me/talking trash to me, so I left and never returned.

I would say sorry for being off topic but I'm not really, I wanna know if anyone else hates that site or am I all alone.

posted March 31, 2013 05:49 AM            

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CherryVodka: I would say sorry for being off topic but I'm not really, I wanna know if anyone else hates that site or am I all alone.

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posted March 31, 2013 06:01 AM              

Discuss?