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Venusian Moon
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posted June 10, 2013 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many astrological cookbooks treat the Moon – Venus aspect as very congenial...just excellent. I've read somewhere, though I can't remember where, that this is the 'milk and cookie' aspect. Ironically, this may not be too far from the truth, at least for the women with this aspect. As someone who has Venus conjunct Jupiter and the Moon, I not only have professional experience working with others with the Moon and Venus in aspect, but also dramatic personal experience. The Moon - Venus aspect has a distinctively darker side that is rarely mentioned; thus, my interest in bringing more attention to how this aspect can function in a harmful - yet Soul-evolving - way than what has so (too) often been written.

Please be aware that aspects taken out of context of the whole chart can be misleading; despite this potential, it is often useful to examine each individual piece of the puzzle first before integrating the entire chart. This look at the Moon & Venus in aspect is an exercise in examining just one small piece of a very complicated and intriguing puzzle - that of an individual Soul and what is represented in his or her natal chart. Schedule a consultation with me - I specialize in relationship (including family relationships) and evolutionary/karmic astrology


THE INITIATION

The poisoned apple and the sleeping death brought to us so vividly in the story of Snow White can be viewed as an analogy to the Moon (Sleep, Dream-world, Unconscious) and Venus (the Apple has long been associated with Venus and the feminine, love, fertility) in aspect.

Biting the Apple (a Mars action – penetration) leads to a deeper understanding and awakening of womanhood or the feminine, but one must experience ‘love’s first kiss’ in order to be truly initiated.

The Moon – Venus aspect can become ‘poisoned’ and painful at adolescence. The first love is a rite of passage for these individuals and often, our first love is our parent of the opposite sex. Yet, as the Moon-Venus individual blossoms into womanhood, she may be suddenly thrust away from her father or shamed (by her mother or other female role model) for expressing her love and affection in a natural way.

A simple hug or kiss can turn into the ‘poisoned apple’ (tainted love) without warning or understanding. The initiation (recognition that one is changing – becoming a woman, becoming fertile) can feel like the death of her relationship with her father…and her mother.


Mother as the Wicked Queen (or evil witch)

The Moon-Venus individual’s Mother (or other mother figure) may feel uncomfortable with her daughter’s blush of adolescent beauty. She may feel that she is in decline and her own concern of her loss of beauty (Venus) through aging is amplified by her confrontation with the Moon-Venus child’s innocent erotic power. When she looks in her magic mirror, the mother is no longer the fairest in the land. If the mother is unable to embrace the beauty in wisdom (the apple) of her approaching Hecate phase, she will – consciously or unconsciously – begin poisoning her daughter psychologically with mixed messages and signals.

The mother and daughter will find themselves in competition with one another, and while the Mother may not admit to her feelings of jealousy (and sometimes hatred), the Moon-Venus child will sense on a very deep level that she is being rejected by her mother and that now that she is entering her Selene phase, her father is off-limits. (1)

For a child who likely grew up being loved, touched, and often stroked by her parents, the lack of touch and rejection can be devastating. (2)

In the Disney version the Wicked Queen is Snow White’s Stepmother but in the original Grimm version of 1812, Snow White’s own mother was the one who grew to hate her due to her blossoming beauty.

“Now Snow-White grew up, and when she was seven years old, she was so beautiful, that she surpassed even the queen herself. Now when the queen asked her mirror:

Mirror, mirror, on the wall,
Who in this land is fairest of all? The mirror said:
You, my queen, are fair; it is true.
But Little Snow-White is still
A thousand times fairer than you.

When the queen heard the mirror say this, she became pale with envy, and from that hour on, she hated Snow-White. Whenever she looked at her, she thought that Snow-White was to blame that she was no longer the most beautiful woman in the world. This turned her heart around. Her jealousy gave her no peace.” (3)


The Poison

The very nature of the poison is a paradox. When the Moon-Venus person bites into the apple, she (or he) is often very used to receiving apples (love and affection) from her parents or, in very difficult circumstances, from others in her life. The apple presented at adolescence, however, though bright, shiny, and juicy (as always) is tainted – permeated with poison. The poison lies under the skin of the apple, deep in the flesh, and one must bite (penetrate) the skin in order to be poisoned. This particular poison creates a ‘sleeping death’ within the Moon-Venus person, which may manifest as a withdrawal from others and downplaying her natural erotic beauty due to a sense of rejection, betrayal, and fear of becoming too beautiful and thus invoking Mother’s destruction or abandonment.

This withdrawal into oneself is very much like the poison…the pain lies deep under the flesh and one may not be aware of the ‘sleeping death’ until a future love partner penetrates and awakens the Moon-Venus individual with a lover’s kiss. The Moon-Venus person may be attracted to someone like her father or the complete opposite, depending on other factors in her chart. She needs someone of emotional depth but it may take several failed or difficult relationships until she is ready for him (or her).

Mother’s source of poison is typically psychological and it can be extremely difficult to understand how treacherous it is as it is often buried within ‘motherly’ type comments and behavior patterns. For instance, the mother may sabotage by giving food instead of affection or making comments on the daughter’s figure, attractions, or sexuality. She may poison her with negative ideas surrounding the female body and make threats regarding sexual behavior. Some may plant very negative seeds concerning childbirth (to frighten the girl away from exploring sexually and attracting male attention) that create a fear of having children. In very negative situations, she may shame her daughter when she is alone with the father or touches or kisses him – “aren’t you too old for that? What are you doing in there with him?”

The Moon-Venus person is confused as to the mixed messages regarding becoming a woman, particularly the duality of the feminine. Is one a mother/nurturer (Moon) or a seductress (Venus)? If she identifies too closely with the Moon, she may become a matronly type and shun her sexuality (sex only for procreation. Lights out, missionary style). If she identifies too closely with Venus, she can become promiscuous, exceptionally vain, and use men for what they can give her (sensual pleasure, gifts, ego-strokes).

Many women with Moon-Venus struggle with weight problems. When the Moon-Venus nature isn’t nurtured with touch, love, and attention, she turns to addictive behaviors…with Venus strong, this often means sensual gratification through comfort foods. If the Mother/female figures in her life nurtured with food, struggled with weight themselves, and/or gave negative messages about the Moon-Venus body, this is more likely to be the case. If the Moon-Venus loves the mother very much, she will do anything to keep from losing her love and affection when young – this includes gaining weight, especially if the Mother is slender or much focused on maintaining a low weight. In this manner, the Moon-Venus won’t be as great as a threat to the Mother (this is the view developed due to the messages sent from the Mother). If there is a love-hate relationship, the Moon-Venus person may stuff down feelings or satisfy emotional needs with food. Promiscuity is also possible if Moon-Venus doesn’t feel attractive or desirable due to messages received growing up. The Moon-Venus individual NEEDS physical sensation, sensuality, and touch. If the only way to get the attention one craves is through sex, the Moon-Venus person may have many partners because she is a very attractive, erotic lover…it is only when she learns to value her own femininity and she is able to begin self-nurturing behaviors that she may be strong enough within her own being to enter into a more stable love relationship. However, if the Moon is the stronger influence (in other words, Mother is very powerful within her psyche), the Moon-Venus person is more likely to marry very young and begin having children. She may avoid sex unless it is for procreation. These women may find themselves putting on an amazing amount of weight with each pregnancy and never losing it. She may seek touch from her children rather than her husband/partner. Her mother is likely to be very involved with her children and may hover over her and her family like a shadow.


Awakening to Beauty

Once the Moon-Venus person enters a romantic connection that helps sever the bond with the Mother (which can be quite difficult with this configuration) and feels comfortable enough to explore her own sexuality, she can begin to recover her feminine power. She gains clarity regarding her relationship with her mother (and father). As the poison seeps out, intense knowledge of the Self can be gained…without the poison, the Moon-Venus person may never experience the depth of emotion he or she is capable of. In the best case scenario, she is more refined in character and thus more intrinsically beautiful. Her beauty now runs deep on a Soul level.

Without the poison and the painful experiences in her adolescent years, the Moon-Venus individual’s beauty may remain only skin deep. The poison is both the source of the ‘sleeping death’ and the catalyst for deeper self-awareness. While she may worry about growing old and entering her own Hecate phase, she cherishes her inner beauty, her wisdom, and her natural attractiveness enough to not feel threatened by her own daughter’s youth and beauty.


Mother…or lover?

Men with Moon and Venus experience the aspect a bit differently. They aren’t forced into a beauty competition with their Mother nor do they generally feel they have to shine less so that Mother can shine more. However, Moon-Venus in aspect in a male chart is often just as complicated, albeit in a different manner.

There can be a sense of confusion within the male psyche due to mixed signals he receives from his mother as to whether he should view her as the nurturing mother or the erotic lover. She may make him her ‘little man;’ perhaps as a replacement for a missing husband or an unhappy marriage or partnership. She may give her son all of the sensual strokes and comforting he needs, perhaps to feed her own sensual needs. This is not to be taken in a truly sexual manner – though that is also possible. Sensual touch does not necessarily mean sexual. A mother may stroke her child’s face or hair, give a back rub, or tuck him into bed and kiss him goodnight without any sexual thought or intent. However, beneath her loving touches is an erotic urge and need that may be going unfulfilled. Children are very intuitive and vulnerable and the young boy may feel responsible toward meeting his mother’s needs, even though he does not fully understand what it is she actually needs.

Another potential experience for men with Moon-Venus in their chart is the ‘hands-off’ mother. This type of experience can be even more painful than the male experience of trying to make the mother happy and meet her unknown sensual needs (though it is impossible as what she needs is a male lover, that which her son cannot fulfill). This is a more poisonous type of relationship because there is an underlying ‘incestuous’ feel in the ‘hands-off’ type of mother. She may be aware of erotic longings toward her son and this may be why she refuses to touch him. These are generally karmic relationships and they may have been lovers in a previous life, which only adds to the confusion for the child (and mother).

The complications for a Moon-Venus man in his future love relationships generally center on his not knowing whether he wants a mother or a lover type for a partner. He may fluctuate between the two types, unable to make up his mind. He may also tend to choose the lover only to try to turn her into a mother-figure as the relationship progresses. His poison is the confusion he carries within until he develops deeper self-awareness, which will most likely occur through difficult adult relationships. He may find that his most remarkable and healing relationship will be with a woman who shares a Moon-Venus aspect, but only if she has already awakened to Beauty.


Moon & Venus Aspects

The Conjunction, opposition, quincunx, sesquiquadrate, square, & semisquare are difficult but the tension will ensure that the Moon-Venus individual continues to work to find solutions and healing – their pain is too intense not to confront it.

The ‘easy’ aspects such as the trine, sextile, semi-sextile, quintile, and biquintile may prove to be more challenging if the Moon-Venus person fails to recognize there is a problem or that healing is needed. They may view the behavior as typical or ‘normal.’

http://www.throughnightsfire.com/BitethePoisonedApple-MoonandVenusinaspect.html

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peachbeigeblue
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posted June 10, 2013 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peachbeigeblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh wowwwwww. I have the semi-square and never recognized how it played out. I wonder if I've blamed Moon/Pluto for things when it was actually this aspect. My moon/Venus (1) is tighter than my Moon/Pluto (3)

Good thread!

My adolescence really went like that.

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Venusian Moon
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posted June 10, 2013 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have moon in taurus conjunct venus and wow. This is so true for me. My moms always observing my figure telling me i need to lose weight.


Just the other day we were in a store and i noticed her looking at my body. I was like why the hell do you keep looking at my body. Thats freakin annoying.

She felt stupid.

Sometimes i put on a nice outfit and ask her if it looks nice and she will tell me its not and make a face. Then i go to my sister and i ask her and she goes oh my god you look nice. Then i tell her what my mom said and she says shes a hater. Shes jealous dont listen to her.

I swear sometimes i feel like im in school. I tell my mom all the time that shes immature and acts like a junior high hirl.

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goatcat
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posted June 10, 2013 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatcat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So true about the mother/nurturer vs. vixen thing!

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posted June 10, 2013 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have moon conjunct venus.
Perhaps it effects women more.
Maybe its all the feminine energy, that just becomes too extreme?

I like this placement, personally. I think it's a really creative placement, and probably helps with my creativity.
Interestingly enough moon represents the mother and my mother is actually an artist.

I've always had good relationships with women, I grew up in a house full of 5 women. Growing up all my closest friends were women, guys were just there to rough house with but I always deep emotional connections with girls.

Although I'm not a female so I've never been in competition with my mother or my sisters. They sort of just doted on me and spoiled me. LOL..

The most negative thing is I'm mostly a feminist and I secretly do hate men. but ssshhhh not really, but okay.. just a little.
If you hear the things men joke about with each other, it's really sicking, but I won't get into that.

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posted June 10, 2013 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peachbeigeblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel like i subconciously made myself look unattractive during puberty. like i made myself look worse until my first love!! i started dressing rebelliously and dying my hair extreme colors but it wasn't me. now i feel like i want to look/dress the same way i did when i was a pre-teen. girly and a little sporty but more girly.

my mom always makes comments about my figure. she maybe has said i was pretty like twice that i can remember and it was always part of another point "well youre so pretty and youre so quiet i think it comes off as a snobby" but she wasn't really complimenting me at all (and im a leo )

if i gain weight, she will kinda be like "youre gona eat that" i actually told her she needed to stop doing that bc i had an eating disorder when i was young and i couldnt always handle those kind of comments well. and then when i lose weight i feel like she always tries to fatten me up. it's like i'm never OK as i am. but eventually when i got over i started to not need her approval and found self-confidence within myself. she's really a great mother but the stuff you said hit a nerve.

as far as my dad - i was his favorite until prboably puberty. but then later we fought the worst. oh and my mom made some weird comment last month regarding my dad helping her sister move and how my sister needed him to do something and how she "had to share her husband with all of us" and i was like --- WAIT, no, THAT'S MY DAD. He can be a Dad without you having to "share" him.

i definitely think the comments she makes to me that are Moon-Venus are out of character for her so it makes more sense having read this.

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posted June 10, 2013 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Moon/Venus trine and my childhood was a blessing. Amazing, very loving, very supportive parents. Mom's the best mom one can wish for.

If i haven't read the other three responses in this thread confirming the thesis in this article, I would have said that this was an utterly rubbish read.

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posted June 10, 2013 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have moon square venus and I don't resonate with the OP.

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I'm so cappy
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posted June 10, 2013 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Same here.

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I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.

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posted June 10, 2013 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It has played out differently for me. I never got the affection or love as a child. My mom admitted that she never held or bonded with me when I was a baby. that pattern has repeated itself in my interactions with female peers, they reject me too. So I have to get my needs met in unconventional ways.

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posted June 10, 2013 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that's cause she has moon trine venus.

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posted June 10, 2013 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peachbeigeblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
are we sure this isn't about moon/pluto afterall?

i just read the male version and it seems a lot like my exbf and his mom's (weird) relationship and he has moon conjunct pluto by 30 minutes.

it also reminded me a lil of my little brother and my mom (she adores him, he can do no wrong) but in a lighter sense and he has the moon/pluto trine.

it would still make sense for my relationship with my mom bc i have the opposition to pluto natally.

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posted June 10, 2013 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Venus/Moon square and it's a rather defining aspect in my personality and psyche. But with my mother, we did have our rocky patches, but a divorce is never hard on a wife when she actually loved her husband, so it's understandable. Overall, we do clash every so often, but she's in general a cranky lady, and we're bound any ways...

We saw a palm reader when out of the country and it turns out we have the same formation on the same hand: two defined stars interlinked. She said we have a strong bond, and we do! She even had dreams of me before I was born!!!! I've never sensed a sensual or underlying erotic notion to our relationship though, and we were affectionate enough when I was a kid - I've since grown out of it, but still.

About lovers though, in women, I often want myself, I want someone like me, not only physically (tall and thin), but social, floaty, and with a degree of frivolity. Fiercely child-focused too; I want the world for my kids if I ever have any, and I'd want my spouse to want to support and prepare them too.

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posted June 10, 2013 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not even sure if I have the sextile between moon and Venus :/
Sometimes I have it, other times I don't, depending on the chart selected at astro.com so which is it? I tend to think I have it because I get along really well with women. Isn't that what the good aspects between these two imply? I thought it simply meant women benefit people who have this, same with the good aspects between moon and Jupiter.

When I do have it, the orb is on the wide side and the elements aren't exactly compatible with the earth sign moon and fire sign Venus but my chart tends to go weird anyway with all the "almost theres" and "could have beens." It is a pattern I picked up on.

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posted June 11, 2013 06:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can definitely relate.


SSS,

Look at the orbs.
A sextile is 4° max, usually.

I have it but it's out of sign (2°).

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posted June 11, 2013 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I can definitely relate.


SSS,

Look at the orbs.
A sextile is 4° max, usually.

I have it but it's out of sign (2°).


That's what I thought! Some of the charts I looked at allowed exceptionally wide orbs

So, I never know what to do with that!

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posted June 11, 2013 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AshSkye     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can relate being a Venusian Moon myself with a conjunction in Taurus!

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