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Topic: Chiron in Synastry
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Azurenite
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posted June 15, 2013 10:52 AM
  
I have this aspect with someone special. My Chiron exactly opposed his Pluto, his Chiron exactly opposed my Mars. All in Aries (Chiron) Libra (Pluto/Mars). I've read that the conjunction means short lived, painful, healing experiences. Does the opposition mean the same thing? Or is it more of a transference of some kind? Would this be more of a mutual transformation? IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 15, 2013 05:13 PM
Ugh.. Chiron.
Stay awaaaay  Who told you that conjunctions are short-lived & painful?! That's an aberration! If anything, squares and oppositions (and the minor hard aspects like quincunx and semi-square) would be short-lived (and especially painful), cause they tend to hurt a lot without much healing involved.. Unless there are other supportive aspects. Actually Chiron aspects can be very magnetic, especially the conjunction, because it holds a promise for healing (that may never come to life, by the way). But Chiron combined with Pluto and Mars in opposition.. that screams pain to me. Not saying it won't bring happiness and healing but it's probably gonna be a helluva ride! If you guys have strong Venus, Moon and Jupiter aspects, it's gonna be easier to handle. IP: Logged |
Azurenite
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posted June 15, 2013 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Ugh.. Chiron.
Stay awaaaay Who told you that conjunctions are short-lived & painful?! That's an aberration! If anything, squares and oppositions (and the minor hard aspects like quincunx and semi-square) would be short-lived (and especially painful), cause they tend to hurt a lot without much healing involved.. Unless there are other supportive aspects. Actually Chiron aspects can be very magnetic, especially the conjunction, because it holds a promise for healing (that may never come to life, by the way). But Chiron combined with Pluto and Mars in opposition.. that screams pain to me. Not saying it won't bring happiness and healing but it's probably gonna be a helluva ride! If you guys have strong Venus, Moon and Jupiter aspects, it's gonna be easier to handle.
OH CRAP! I'm completely smitten with this guy. Our jupiters square, venus' sextile and moons sextile. Hmm, not really strong enough perhaps.... Oh Gawd... IP: Logged |
Azurenite
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posted June 15, 2013 06:42 PM
Also, My Pluto and IC in is conjunct his moon....opposed chiron....I better build some armor now I guess..Sun's are square 4 degree orb
Merc's square exact
My Saturn square his Sun exact
My Juno conjunct his Mars exact
MC/IC angle square his NN/SN axis exact
His Venus is conjunct my DC exact ...oh well, bring it on... IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 15, 2013 08:02 PM
Well, it doesn't look like a very good synastry, but who knows, maybe you will get each other and be happy together.
I mean I'm not discrediting astrology right now, but sometimes people stay together even if their charts seem quite incompatible, and vice-versa.So I don't want to influence you or discourage you.. if your heart's in it, go for it! Work on your communication with that person and talk things out, before it gets too late (afflicted Mercuries in synastry can be very nasty - misunderstandings or lack of communication). Good luck!
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anno_lucis
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posted June 16, 2013 04:25 PM
my taurus ex's chiron was on my dsc which is ruled by mars opp pluto and that did end in tears. not sure who came off worse but 'one hell of a ride' is a very accurate description of the relationship.IP: Logged |
Azurenite
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posted June 16, 2013 10:44 PM
Thanks for the input. I have no idea why I'm so attracted to this person. There are other aspects that are interesting. And it's not like we are really "together" anyway. We've just been dating a little. So maybe it will fizzle out. From what I'm hearing I kinda hope so!!!!IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted June 16, 2013 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Ugh.. Chiron.
Stay awaaaay
Who told you that conjunctions are short-lived & painful?! That's an aberration! If anything, squares and oppositions would be short-lived (and especially painful), cause they tend to hurt a lot without much healing involved.. Actually Chiron aspects can be very magnetic,
especiallyconjunction
Couldnt agree more with your post.
I absolutely detest hard Chiron aspects in synastry. The notion of pain without healing is making me dizzy.
I'm a fixer-upper whenever there's a problem coming up, and knowing that whatever Chiron touches can NOT be fixed is depressing to me.
*Hates the hard Chiron aspects*
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spanishlover
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posted June 17, 2013 12:11 AM
what if you have in synastry, chiron opposite pluto AND sun..his chiron opposes my sun and pluto? who's doing what to whom and why his chiron is also in my 7th house ( not descendant) IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 17, 2013 06:25 PM
Azurenite,Just watch out for the red flags & act accordingly.  Orange, thanks for agreeing with me.  spanishlover, Well, usually they say the Chiron person is the one whi gets hurt because they see the planet person's potential - what they "could" be and not what they actually are. So they stick around to try and work things out, to "mold" the planet person into what they think they can be / are supposed to be, and when things turn sour, there's a lot of pain because of disappointment and hurt feelings. **This is all generalisations.
Sometimes the Chiron person does the wounding, or it goes both ways.
Other times things aren't that dramatic at all. So look at other things in the chart!
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peachbeigeblue
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posted June 17, 2013 06:37 PM
i have double whammy venus conjunct chiron with my new mans. i haven't been in a relationship in a while so i am clearly blowing this place up about it. IP: Logged |
Azurenite
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posted June 19, 2013 02:12 AM
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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
i have double whammy venus conjunct chiron with my new mans. i haven't been in a relationship in a while so i am clearly blowing this place up about it.
so, are you going to go ahead and dive right in? Have you noticed anything yet? I have noticed stuff. Hasn't scared me away yet. Perhaps Chiron aspects are necessary for the growth of the soul somehow. Even though our merc's are squared, his mercury in pisces forms a grand trine to my asc/moon in cancer and sun/venus in scorpio. I've been trying to communicate better with him and it's getting us talking more. IP: Logged |
jjj
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posted June 19, 2013 04:41 AM
In my experience Chiron means painful soul growth and ego lessons and Chiron-impregnated relationships CAN work, if both souls are more or less on the same level and understand what the relationship is about and WANT to evolve.
I would not be so preoccupied about Mars-Pluto and Chiron, I think that Chrion to the luminaries, Venus, NN/SN and Saturn is more important.
Usually the other person systematically (and unconsciously) brings out your soft spots and wounds them in the area of the planet involved, until you evolve to a higher level. I have also seen that Chiron/Saturn can mean that you stick together (in case of difficult Saturn/Chiron aspects it requires more soul work), but Chiron/Uranus challening aspects can bring separation.
The first reaction is pain and anger, because the other person hurts you terribly, but the key is the willingness to recognize what you have to do in order to evolve.
The hurting doesnt need to be dramatic... the other person doesnt even know that he/she touched your wound. For ex with this guy I have all kind of Chiron aspects with (including mutual Venus-Chiron) - he mentioned that they will spend holidays with their family friends(he is married), a big group, but Im quite lonely, so it hurt me very deeply, but he didnt mean anything bad with that. IP: Logged |
meissieri
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posted June 19, 2013 05:17 AM
Out of the Chiron synastries I've had, it depended on the aspect. The trines and sextiles are fine by me, they do bring up some hurt from the past, but with enough of a chance to give it a place. I see it as an opportunity to deal. But like jjj said here, both have to be willing to work things out and work on their problems. I don't like the harsh aspects at all. Sometimes it can work out - and if you think it's okay, I agree with the others, just go with your gut. But it can turn out nasty. I've been both and when it goes wrong, both sides will leave hurt. They set off my Chiron-Ascendant square, so I'll want a good aspect to smooth it out. What I've experienced is that the Chiron person may feel that the planet person has much more to them than they show. Then the planet person may see Chiron as the ideal teacher, putting all of their hopes onto them and then easily getting disappointed. Chiron may also start feeling used, that they're the ones doing all the work. IP: Logged |
Freesia
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posted June 19, 2013 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
If anything, squares and oppositions (and the minor hard aspects like quincunx and semi-square) would be short-lived (and especially painful), cause they tend to hurt a lot without much healing involved.. Unless there are other supportive aspects.
Now you scared me 
Can you (or someone) help me to understand how bad is the situation with me and my crush?
- - His Chiron Quincunx my Venus&Mercury in my 1st house exact, opposite my Pluto (3 deg orb)
+ His Chiron trines my MC and Neptune
- My Chiron squares his Jupiter
++ My Chiron trines his NODE & Eros
Who will hurt whom and how? Can I suppose that trines will do the healing even if we hurt each other?
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unforgiven_soul
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posted June 19, 2013 01:59 PM
So let me get this straight, the one that has the Chiron is the one that "tortures" the other on the aspect? In my synastry with someone there's no aspect with Chiron, but what worries me is our Draconic synastry, where my Chiron conjuncts his 8th house cusp... Did I kill him in a previous life or what? If he had a lover I guess I did the right thing lol!------------------
"No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn" IP: Logged |
Freesia
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posted June 19, 2013 02:14 PM
From my previous experiences - 2 exes where hurt by me terminating our relationship, in both situations my Sun opposite their Chiron (I have this with all my age people I guess cause Chiron moves a bit slow).
I got hurt regulary by another ex and his Venus squared my Chiron.
So more or less I can possibly agree that Chiron person is the one who feels hurt more (but both persons feel bad). IP: Logged |
unforgiven_soul
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posted June 19, 2013 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by Freesia:
From my previous experiences - 2 exes where hurt by me terminating our relationship, in both situations my Sun opposite their Chiron (I have this with all my age people I guess cause Chiron moves a bit slow).
I got hurt regulary by another ex and his Venus squared my Chiron.
So more or less I can possibly agree that Chiron person is the one who feels hurt more (but both persons feel bad).
Ok you gave me a better view of Chiron now. Thank you Freesia! ------------------
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lalalinda
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posted June 19, 2013 10:56 PM
Hello Azurenite! Welcome to LL  ------------------
"For all those who believe, expect a miracle.”
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Azurenite
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posted June 20, 2013 10:14 PM
@lalalinda, thank you!This is discussion is greatly appreciated!! IP: Logged |
orocairion
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posted June 20, 2013 11:11 PM
This thread picked my curiosity about Chiron, so I checked the synastry between me and this other person.Both Chirons seem to conjunct in Gemini, and they seem to quincunx our Plutos(conjunct) From what I could gather for this thread, this isn't a good thing, is it?. IP: Logged |
peachbeigeblue
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posted June 21, 2013 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by Azurenite:
so, are you going to go ahead and dive right in? Have you noticed anything yet?I have noticed stuff. Hasn't scared me away yet. Perhaps Chiron aspects are necessary for the growth of the soul somehow. Even though our merc's are squared, his mercury in pisces forms a grand trine to my asc/moon in cancer and sun/venus in scorpio. I've been trying to communicate better with him and it's getting us talking more.
I don't see this double whammy as negative. It seems we both accept each other completely. Both our Venuses are conjunct by the way. He's a Taurus but Venus went retrograde and then direct again and landed a degree away from his on my Leo birthday.
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Faith
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posted June 21, 2013 09:56 AM
The sun of one of my college roommates was exactly conjunct my Chiron. Honestly, she totally changed my life....by winning my deep trust and then betraying me completely. It's a long story, but she altered my life path. Like she was the fork in the road. My perception of the sun-Chiron conjunction is colored strongly by that. I am leery of it. Even though it may have changed my life for the better (because who knows how things would have played out without her interference?) it was just disturbing. As for the other aspects....my husband's Mars-Pluto is trine my Chiron. I'm not sure of the effect of this but I will say that I've learned a lot by dealing with his intensity. His Chiron is in my 7H, near my sun-moon midpoint in Aquarius (opposite his sun.) I think he's learned a lot from my intensity, likewise. IP: Logged |
mir
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posted June 21, 2013 10:34 AM
In magi astrology the Sun/Chiron linkage (interaspect) is called the "Linkage of Trust" interestingly enough. Faith, I thought you might find its description interesting.
Unfortunately I can't copy from pfd, so I'll give you the link and you can find it on page 30.
http://www.magisociety.com/magi_astrology_minibook2.pdf IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted June 21, 2013 11:12 AM
Wow, thank you so much, mir! I have a lot of reading to do now  Looking back, I still don't know how I could have prevented the disaster this girl caused. It just seems fated. Though I guess I did trust her too much and didn't read the warning signs, like the article said. Note to anyone reading: mir's link is really good! I found this interesting, under The Lifetime Linkage on page 27: "the linkage of Chiron to Neptune would create a very long-term relationship." My husband's Chiron is sextile my Neptune; my Chiron opposes his Neptune. edit IP: Logged |
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