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posted June 23, 2013 08:04 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
It's an example of two natal Neptune oppositions at their worst. Both of them have Venus opposite Neptune. No objectivity. Confusion. Chaos. It involves the love life with Venus. Too bad the guy was Mormon and therefore was guided away from astrology because he would have been wise to study, maybe could have avoided her. She could have also avoided him and found someone who would give her what she wanted in life, a wedding/marriage, house with a white picket fence, love, stability. Not sure if same thing would have happened anyway, just to another guy, even with that kind of life.

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Once, I had Neptune oppose Venus in synastry and Boy I could not see this person. I was the Venus but mine is Unaspected so what touches it is worse, I think.

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posted June 23, 2013 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I feel very sad for both of them, Ami. Jodi and Travis. It's one of those situations I wish I could go back in time and put a stop to it before both their lives got ruined.

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posted June 23, 2013 09:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
How close?

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posted June 23, 2013 09:43 PM            

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Originally posted by iliketurtles:
2 degrees

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WOW Thank you, I like turtles!

Do you want to check some more asteroids. Check dejanira in his chart if you feel you want to, Sweetie

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posted June 24, 2013 06:50 AM            

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Him - Her:

natal Dejanira conjunct d.Chiron (2 deg)
d.Nessus square natal Dejanira (1 deg)
d.Mars trine natal Chiron (0 deg)
d.Nessus opposite natal.Venus 4 deg, kinda wide??)
d.Sun trine natal Dejanira(2 deg)
d.Psyche conjunct natal Dejanira (1 deg)
d.Chiron conjunct natal Vertex (2 deg)
d.Chiron square natal Sun (0 deg)
d.Vertex opposite natal Mars (0 deg)
natal NN square natal Nessus (1 deg)
natal Dejanira square natal Saturn (3 deg)
natal Dejanira square natal Mars (4 deg)
natal Dejanira trine natal Eros (0 deg)
natal Eros square natal Dejanira (2 deg)

The more experienced astrologer could pick out much more than I.
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her d. lilith conjunct her natal chiron

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Composite Vertex conjunct both natal Vertexes, his NN, her pluto.

Composite Sun conjuncts her IC 0 deg, 5 degrees away from his IC, she is right on it though. I read somewhere (cafeastrology?)that if the the IC of one individual of a couple conjuncts their Composite Sun, it may be an indicator that that person could feel they cannot live without the relationship/won't let it go if it ended I hate to think that is what happened in this case .

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posted June 24, 2013 06:14 PM            

She has nMars @ 29 Virgo, pMars @ 15 Libra. nPluto @18 Libra, pPluto @ 19 Libra.

Both had pVenus @ 29th degree. Often see this with Venus transitioning signs.

For me, it was his pMars @ 27 Gem sq her nMars @29 Virgo that set things off. That and her pMars conj nPluto.

posted June 24, 2013 06:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am doing an article on her. You know that she has Mars at the 29th degree( frozen in inaction) and an almost unaspected Mars. This is the only aspect. It shows an impaired Mars.
Any comments?

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Did you see her Sabian Symbol for Mars? Its scary true

Interpretation of the 29° Virgo symbolic degree "A man stands by a window with his head covered with a veil which prevents him from seeing the daylight. Another man expresses himself with his fingers in the deaf and dumb language."

Melancholic, eccentric, and secretive character. One is attracted to occultism, and mysteries in general, and enjoys studying in the solitude of the night. One may be affected by a mental disease or a head injury. Unless one is very careful in one's studies, one may end up in a state of mental chaos and confusion.

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posted June 28, 2013 01:07 AM            

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Originally posted by its_aqua:
This story makes me shiver! I really want to see the movie though. A good friend of mine has a relationship like that with a Cancer guy. Hes psycho jealous like Jodie was, I will upload their synastry soon in another thread, it is a violent relationship and both are tied to each other like glue. Im sorry to say that but I doubt that unless the guy seeks paychiatric help, this is going to end well

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posted June 28, 2013 02:34 AM              

Violence Indicators in the Natal and Synastric Chart

Part 1 of 2

Have you ever wondered if there was a way to determine whether you and another are prone to be violent towards each other? Have you noticed some alarming traits in someone with whom you’ve considered moving to the next relationship level? Have you considered withdrawing from a relationship because your Significant Other demonstrates signs which denote a Violence Indicator, Power Struggle, Classic Schism, Battlefield or Fatal Attraction connection? Noting the stressful placements of several key planets will arm you with the information you need to either facilitate the improvement of your current relationship, or steer clear of potential danger.

Sometimes there’s just no way we can help the way we react to certain individuals who activate us. Well, maybe we can control ourselves – if we choose to. But oftentimes it’s all we can do not to react. But the fact is, there are some individuals to whom we are instinctively drawn, and others by whom we are immediately repulsed and/or angered.

Underlying Cause of Violent Tendencies

Aside from either general or specific external situations, there are several astrological personal, as well as synastric or compatibility connections between certain key planets which indicate whether you and another are prone to violent tendencies within a relationship, whether intimate, familial, friendship, work-related or otherwise.

Astrological Violence Indicators in the Natal and Synastric Chart

Mars square Pluto is one form of this aspect. A Pluto opposition Mars is another challenging aspect, as is (according to some astrologers) a conjunct Pluto and Mars, or Pluto and Mars in the 8th or 12th Houses. Even Saturn in a stressful (square, quincunx or opposition) aspect to either Mars or Pluto can create conditions which encourage violence in the personal natal chart.

And those are just natal aspects (aspects in our personal birth chart, versus synastric aspects we make with other individuals). As for the 12th House, although it has a reputation for ‘hiding’ things, that’s not really what it does. It’s more of a repressive action; which in many cases is a good thing. Yet, for those individuals with Mars in the 12th, don’t think they never get angry. That is far from the case. Generally what happens is that they will repress the anger until one day something major ignites the fuse and you’d better hope that you’re not in the way, because whether or not you’re the cause of that anger, you’re going to get it.

What about relationships? Whereas, Mars square or opposition Pluto is a major indicator of violence, these aspects are by no means the only violence indicators.

The combination of Saturn – which creates restriction – and Pluto are a volatile duo, as well. The restrictive action of Saturn causes Pluto to explode, and if Mars is anywhere in the picture, violence is pretty much guaranteed. What form that will take, however, is up to the individuals involved. Both Pluto and Mars square and opposite Neptune can create some pretty interesting fireworks, too, as well as illusions and delusions of grandeur about one’s abilities or role in a relationship.

Personal Aspects Table

Personal aspects for which to look in an individual’s natal chart which would indicate a tendency* towards violent behavior are:

Planets

Aspects

Connection Descriptor

Mars/Sun

Conjunct, Square, Opposition

Warrior Aspect

(Aggressive and fiery nature, especially if in a fire sign)

Mars/Pluto

Conjunct, Square, Opposition

Superman/Superwoman

(Believes him/herself invincible; generally extremely pushy and aggressive, attempting to get their own way)

Jupiter/Saturn

Square, Quincunx, Opposition

Fallen Angel

(Nice girl/boy gone bad)

Saturn/Pluto

Square, Quincunx, Opposition

Master of the Universe

(Believes she/he knows and is the best at everything, and if restricted, can become extremely volatile)

*NOTE: Merely because the tendency is there, however, does not necessarily mean that the individual will act on it. The placement and aspects of other planets in the natal chart can greatly mitigate the challenging planetary placements in question. To determine whether the possibility exists that the native might act on these tendencies, other planetary placements between the Moon, Venus, Jupiter, Neptune and the Sun should be taken into consideration, as well.

Synastric Aspects Table
(between two natal charts)

Planets

Aspects

Connection Descriptor

Mars/Sun

Conjunct, Square, Opposition

Power Struggle

(Prone to vie for control at the expense of peace)

Mars/Neptune

Square, Opposition

Battlefield

(Constant arguments and fighting, usually on a physical level)

Mars/Pluto

Square, Opposition

Violence Indicator

(Extremely violent connection; can be fatal if located in the 8th House in a composite chart between two individuals)

Mars/Saturn

Square, Quincunx, Opposition

Classic Schism

(Creates division mentally and emotionally; the inherent restriction can cause anger, either verbal, physical, or both)

Sun/Neptune

Square, Opposition

Classic Schism

(Creates division mentally and emotionally; The Sun creates a lesser degree of aggression than Mars, while Neptune creates a distortion of reality which often causes aggression)

Sun/Pluto

Square, Opposition

Fatal Attraction

(Named after the movie of the same name, creates a situation where one or both individuals stalk the other, attempting to force unwanted advances on the other and which often result in physically aggressive behavior)

Saturn/Pluto

Square, Quincunx, Opposition

Violence Indicator

(Extremely violent connection; the restriction of Saturn creates an added element of frustration and anger and can also be fatal if located in the 8th House in a composite

posted June 28, 2013 02:50 AM              

Pluto Relationships: Being in Love and Being in Danger

I have wondered whether some women really do have the ability to spot a dangerous man and look out for those warning signs. Do these “tell-tale” signs work and keep her away? Are they enough to encourage her to end a destructive relationship? And if she spotted the “signs” early enough, would it have saved her life? Without being controversial, I do believe certain women are more prone to biting the apple of temptation, and falling for a dangerous man, even if all the warning signs are flashing red. However, I don’t believe that she is fully aware of how dangerous the encounter can be. If she believed the relationship could take away her life, she would probably run in the opposite direction.

Pluto contacts in a relationship are powerful and transforming or violent and destructive, according to the level of awareness of the two individuals involved. The nature of Pluto is often compulsive and obsessive and the individual is often drawn to powerful and demanding partners who manipulate and control them. Emotional games are usually present, and the exchanges of love are usually highly complex and non-rational. Jealousy can be a problem and occasionally cruelty occurs within the relationship. Pluto relationships demand total commitment, and we can be held emotionally hostage, and our partner may threaten self-harm if we even think about leaving him. Usually he starts out as very attentive and loving, but then Mr Hyde appears and he becomes controlling, verbally abusive, jealous and violent.

Pluto doesn’t “destroy” a relationship, but attempts to destroy what threatens the relationship's survival. This is why jealousy is one of the prime indicators of a Plutonian relationship. I know some people think I only harbour on about the negative aspects of love relationships, but these are usually the places we get stuck. When you read stories about women being killed by a violent partner, it is something that needs to be addressed. The Poltergeist actress, Dominique Dunne, had Sun conjunct Pluto and was strangled and killed by her ex-boyfriend in the drive-way of her home. Hollyoaks star, Amy Leigh Barnes, was viciously stabbed to death by her footballer boyfriend, Ricardo Morrison.

Amy's mother said she was so concerned about her relationship with Ricardo Morrison that she had arranged for her daughter to go to Fort Alice, a project for young women suffering domestic violence, just five days before she was murdered. Ricardo’s chart looked strikingly similar to the rapists charts I analysed in my small research project: The Astrology of Rape. However, I don't know if Amy was raped in the relationship, but she had suffered previous violnce by him.

Natally, Ricardo has Mars square Saturn, Jupiter trine Pluto, Mars trine Pluto, and for jealous and obsessive relationships, he has Venus conjunct Pluto in the smouldering and brooding sign of Scorpio, but the chart also has a stellium of planets in Sagittarius. Amy’s chart had a stellium of planets in Libra with Sun conjunct Mars, and I have seen Sun-Mars contacts appear frequently in the charts of knife victims. Ricardo’s Venus/Pluto conjuncts Amy’s Pluto in Scorpio. Venus is heavily aspected in their synastry chart, and Ricardo’s Mars trines Amy’s Pluto. The relationship certainly has its Plutonian elements in synastry, and particularly from Ricardo’s natal chart.

“Sometimes all it takes is one moment, one reaction; other times, it’s a slow and methodical build-up. But all have killed – through jealous rages or intense love-hate relationships, or both.” By True Crimes of Passion, When Love Hurts

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