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Kerosene
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posted June 26, 2013 10:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just found out my sun/moon midpoint conjuncts my sun & moon.
MIND BLOWN...

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 26, 2013 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That sounds like a conjunction, Kerosene...

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Kerosene
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posted June 26, 2013 10:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Exactly

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posted June 26, 2013 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnineMoth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
V-M mp (which is also the S.Node-Mars mp as well) sxt Sun, opp Moon (exact). 23* Cap Sun, 23* Tau Moon, 23* Scorpio V-M mp, 23* Psc Sun-Moon mp.... lol 23! u.u;

my husband's moon-jupiter are cnj it, semisxt his Sun.

(his V-M mp, which is also his S.Node-Mars mp too, is semisxt my Venus-S.Node and sxt my Saturn-Eros-Ishtar~)

mp synastry contacts need to be damn near exact for me to really notice anything... they rank up there with Arabic lots, worth knowing, but not always "on/active".

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HannieBananie
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posted June 26, 2013 11:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus/Mars midpoint conjuncts My Boo's Mars ♥.

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Pisces sun
Leo/Virgo moon ♥
Air woman. Fire man, made
me a girl who's barely
Piscean...

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posted June 26, 2013 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That would explain why he stirs you so much, Hannie!

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posted June 26, 2013 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries Eagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus/Mars midpoint conjunct Sun 4degree Orb

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Sometimes, truth isn't good enough, sometimes people deserve more. Sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded.
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HannieBananie
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posted June 26, 2013 11:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
That would explain why he stirs you so much, Hannie!

Heehee yee

His mars is 24.52
My Midpoint is 21.52

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Pisces sun
Leo/Virgo moon ♥
Air woman. Fire man, made
me a girl who's barely
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posted June 27, 2013 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Kerosene: Taurus/Scorpio
25/46.

Ohey ours are trine! Mine's at 27 Virgo. Hmmmm...now how does it play out, maybe I'll have to look at my crushes.

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posted June 27, 2013 06:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Ręve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haven't found it to be significant, personally.

But what I've noticed is that there's an emphasis on Mercury and Saturn and their MP's when it comes to synastry..
Wonder why?

Almost every person I know has some midpoint involving Saturn or Mercury (and often Mercury / Jupiter) in aspect to something in my chart.

Fun thing is that according to Pullen I'm a Mercury / Saturn dominant.. food for thought.

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posted June 27, 2013 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, I often have these thoughts, too.

Actually I have two concepts of aspect-interpreation in the back of my head; I am still not sure which is the right one.

The first is based on the sign-relationship between planets.


However the second one is in alignment with the midpoint patterns and actually has the basis int he phases of the moon which is nothing else but the everchanging relationship between Sun, Moon and Earth, THE most basic parts of ANY horoscope (plus the angles and nodal axis of course).


Is it really a coincidence that the major phases of the Moon, when we notice her change, are expressions of conjunction (new Moon), opposition (full moon) and square quarter MOon)?
Or is it a coincidence that the ancients celebrated their solar festivities in accordance with the 4th (and to a certain degree 8th) harmonic aspects?

I donīt think so. What i think is that the output of energy is the strongest at these pivotal times. This is when things "happen".
The soft aspects are more like a cushion or underlying soft melody, but they donīt take centerstage. Ever.
(unless they are emphasized by a midpoint pattern. A trine of Venus and Jupiter with sextiles to Sun on the midpoint, will OF COURSE be very prominent).

And yes, I agree on the composite-thoughts. Actually, if you think about it, every opposition in the composite is just an alignment with the far midpoint, thus conjunctions and oppositions in composites are almost the same aspect, as the composite is a chart of midpoints, and every circle always has two midpoints, directly opposite each other.

In a composite the aspect I pay the most atention to is conjunction and opposition.

And also the square. That is where the action happens between two people.
A composite with only sextiles or trines?
The relationship will never get off the ground. Actually no relationship will ever get off the ground, if the progressions aren`t falling in place.

Same for a synastry. Only sextiles and trines make for people who could get along with each other well, but probably would never even notice each other.
But luckily there are just very few synastries that do not have a few dynamic aspects as well.

It is not the square that makes people incompatible; it just increases the energetic response to each other, and if the planets happen to not get along like Mars and Saturn, and you have that increased attention on both, then it is like fingernails screeching on a chalkboard.
However if the planets naturally get along, wonderful.
Which is the reason why I am never afraid of a square bnetween Moon and Venus for example. Actually Moon and Venus are so passive that they really need the pepper a square can provide.

Just my opinion obviously. But I am a Sag, and Sags are always right.

EDIT:
BTW I DO want some nice soft aspects, too. If you have just squares and oppositions it might be active and dynamic, but sometimes you want to cuddle with your beloved, too, and just kick off your shoes and relax. And that is what the sextile and trine is for.



Greatest post ever!
So a square between Sun and Moon in synastry wouldnt be a bad aspect?

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posted June 27, 2013 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^^^
yes, it is a difficult aspect. Sun is a hard planet , Moon is a soft. A square between the two is difficult.
I and Ceri mostly talked about Composite squares which shouldnt be "difficult" aspects since they are between midpoints.
In synastry, square is still difficut but it depends on the planets involved. Soft to soft planets is okay to square. Hard ti hard i easier to handle. Soft planet to hard planet is the mist difficult to wirk with.

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posted June 27, 2013 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have several conjunctions of heavenly bodies and midpoints in my natal chart. For example, midpoint between Ascendant and Venus conjuncts my sun. Does this strengthen it or is it just a place where the energies meet hence the name midpoint? I would use my sun to express Venus and the Ascendant, maybe?

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posted June 27, 2013 11:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a matter of fact I have never found squares between luminaries to be especially difficult unless they were afflicted by other, usually outer planets or Mars, as well.

What they do is increase the intensity of reaction. You canīt not be triggered by the other person.
Now it just depends on how you react to that.


In the case of my parents they form a tight t-square between

my Mum`s Sun opposite my Dad`s Moon, square my Dad`s Sun.

Not difficult, just very very lively.

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posted June 27, 2013 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
in the case of my parents they form a tight t-square between
my Mum`s Sun opposite my Dad`s Moon, square my Dad`s Sun.
Not difficult, just very very lively.

Opposition of Sun and Moon is considered very complimentary aspect, its a very balanced aspect. Your parents didnt have Sun/Moon square, which is a difficult aspect. They had Sun/ Moon opposition and also a Sun/Sun square which is a square between two hard planets and it's easier to handle.

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posted June 27, 2013 11:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I know. My parents are not the best example for this.

However I just can`t agree with the notion that a Sun-Moon-square is bad or negative.
It`s actually a very intense and strong connection on a visceral level.
Though of course the involved people are very different from each other, but these differences are usually a source of major attraction.
The only challenge I see is that it can get "too much", and the Sun-person might get too overwhelming for the Moon.

I definitely rather have a Sun-Moon-square in synastry than no aspect at all.


To summarize my thoughts on this subject:
Yes, I also think that Sun-Moon-squares can be challenging/ intense,

No, I donīt think this is a bad thing necessarily

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posted June 27, 2013 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it is a sign of incompatibility.
Attraction in the beginning, yes, but annoyance and discord after that. I prefer no Sun Moon aspect at all than Sun - Moon square. I dont like squares between luminaries, even Sun - Sun and Moon - Moon square is irritating and discordant. While the squares between luminaries may create attraction in the beggining, the discord which is inevitable after that creates space between the two partners. Not good.

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posted June 27, 2013 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now Im confused

What do you guys both think of the Quincunx/Inconjunct aspect ?!?

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posted June 27, 2013 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by its_aqua:
Now Im confused

What do you guys both think of the Quincunx/Inconjunct aspect ?!?


havent researched this one a lot but it's generaly a "clueless" aspect. That's it - each is clueless about the other in the area governed by the two planets.
At the end, one or both give up the inquisition with "I dont mind it" attitude.

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posted June 27, 2013 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by its_aqua:
[b]Now Im confused

What do you guys both think of the Quincunx/Inconjunct aspect ?!?


havent researched this one a lot but it's generaly a "clueless" aspect. That's it - each is clueless about the other in the area governed by the two planets.
At the end, one or both give up the inquisition with "I dont mind it" attitude.[/B][/QUOTE]

Aha, I understand what you mean. What about the quincunx in natal?

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quote:
Originally posted by Orange:
it is a sign of incompatibility.
Attraction in the beginning, yes, but annoyance and discord after that. I prefer no Sun Moon aspect at all than Sun - Moon square. I dont like squares between luminaries, even Sun - Sun and Moon - Moon square is irritating and discordant. While the squares between luminaries may create attraction in the beggining, the discord which is inevitable after that creates space between the two partners. Not good.

Well, I think we will simply have to disagree on this then.

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I agree on Orange`s take on the quinkunx as a "clueless-aspect", that is actually a good way putting it.

As for the natal, I have Moon quinkunx Saturn exact. It is ouch, not in the big way squares can be, but it`s like it is never enough, a nagging feeling I Have to work even more and harder on these areas, they donīt fit each other, but have to find a way to work together.

An uncomfortable aspect.

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posted June 27, 2013 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I agree on Orange`s take on the quinkunx as a "clueless-aspect", that is actually a good way putting it.

As for the natal, I have Moon quinkunx Saturn exact. It is ouch, not in the big way squares can be, but it`s like it is never enough, a nagging feeling I Have to work even more and harder on these areas, they donīt fit each other, but have to find a way to work together.

An uncomfortable aspect.


I have Moon inconjunct Pluto and it's really harsh

I agree with you on your opinion about tougher aspects just bringin up "louder" attention and that its the planets that make the difference!

I mean once I had my Moon trined by a guys Saturn, but still it was bad, it didnt work positively as trines are supposed to do so, because its the nature of the planets like you said. A lot more things make sense now that I read your post. Sometimes trines and sextile do make people get on well with each other but its like they dont really need to be together. Sort of like that if you get what i mean.

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posted June 27, 2013 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like oppositions best. Those are my faves. The squares too, but oppositions, definitely. They are exciting and fun!

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quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I agree on Orange`s take on the quinkunx as a "clueless-aspect", that is actually a good way putting it.

As for the natal, I have Moon quinkunx Saturn exact. It is ouch, not in the big way squares can be, but it`s like it is never enough, a nagging feeling I Have to work even more and harder on these areas, they donīt fit each other, but have to find a way to work together.

An uncomfortable aspect.


I have mars inconjunct pluto.
I always felt this was just as intense as mars conjunct pluto.

My dad actually has mars conjunct pluto and I get more angry than he does lmao. We're both difficult to live with because we both need control of everything around us, and it was hilarious when we would have power struggles.

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