posted July 31, 2013 07:21 AM            

Moon in aspect to Pluto is not like a Scorpio Moon, the dynamics are different.

A Scorpio Moon is very sensitive and reactive, their emotions are quite easily triggered but they don't necessarily seek to repress them.

A Moon in aspect to Pluto still has the characterisitcs of the sign it's in, but these traits can be taken to an extreme and become an obsessive focus for the individual, a compulsion.
Pluto adds a layer of depth and intensity to the emotions no matter what sign the Moon is in.

Basically what happens, especially in youth and when the aspect isn't mastered, is that people who have Moon / Pluto in hard aspect feel things wayyyy too deeply, and they feel overwhelmed by their own emotions, which can scare them and others away.

So when they become aware of the fact that they're "different" and much more sensitive than other people, they decide to protect themselves and they do it in various ways: cutting off emotions, turning cold, substance abuse, bullying, and so on (negative manifestations).

If channelled positively, the Moon / Pluto individual learns to react differently and with less intensity to people and situations, and transmutes their energy into healing, spirituality, or service.

Obviously the area that's most affected by the Moon / Pluto aspect is that which involves feelings and family - there's usually a lot of suffering or trauma of some kind with the mother or the women in the family, or in the immediate family where the child grows up, so he becomes hypersensitive and insecure, always awaiting for danger of some sort (very often there's an extreme fear of losing a parent, separation anxiety, etc).

That insecurity tends to poison every close relationship from then on, especially friendships and romantic relationships (fear of enmeshment / abandonment is a typical Moon / Pluto, Moon / Saturn issue).

And that's why Hades Mooners very often sabotage their relationships by acting extremely insecure, needy and controlling, or conversely by being aloof, ignoring, and playing mind games.
The reason is a deep-seated fear of emotional pain.

I hope this makes sense to you.
My thoughts are scattered but here's a good article that explains some things (it's quite negative though, and I think it applies more to the young Hades Mooner who hasn't yet become aware of the dynamics within himself): http://caitastro.blogspot.fr/2009/05/moon-square-pluto-reliance-vs.html

posted July 31, 2013 07:26 AM            

A bad side is that as intense as I can be, I can also be extremely cold and aloof.

posted July 31, 2013 07:42 AM            

It plays out differently for everyone and some people don't experience it in such a dramatic way, though.

posted July 31, 2013 09:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It takes time to master this aspect.
You can't express it positively without going through some harsh experiences that teach you about your emotional side, and how destructive it can be.

Moon in aspect to Pluto is not like a Scorpio Moon, the dynamics are different.

A Scorpio Moon is very sensitive and reactive, their emotions are quite easily triggered but they don't necessarily seek to repress them.

A Moon in aspect to Pluto still has the characterisitcs of the sign it's in, but these traits can be taken to an extreme and become an obsessive focus for the individual, a compulsion.
Pluto adds a layer of depth and intensity to the emotions no matter what sign the Moon is in.

Basically what happens, especially in youth and when the aspect isn't mastered, is that people who have Moon / Pluto in hard aspect feel things wayyyy too deeply, and they feel overwhelmed by their own emotions, which can scare them and others away.

So when they become aware of the fact that they're "different" and much more sensitive than other people, they decide to protect themselves and they do it in various ways: cutting off emotions, turning cold, substance abuse, bullying, and so on (negative manifestations).

If channelled positively, the Moon / Pluto individual learns to react differently and with less intensity to people and situations, and transmutes their energy into healing, spirituality, or service.

Obviously the area that's most affected by the Moon / Pluto aspect is that which involves feelings and family - there's usually a lot of suffering or trauma of some kind with the mother or the women in the family, or in the immediate family where the child grows up, so he becomes hypersensitive and insecure, always awaiting for danger of some sort (very often there's an extreme fear of losing a parent, separation anxiety, etc).

That insecurity tends to poison every close relationship from then on, especially friendships and romantic relationships (fear of enmeshment / abandonment is a typical Moon / Pluto, Moon / Saturn issue).

And that's why Hades Mooners very often sabotage their relationships by acting extremely insecure, needy and controlling, or conversely by being aloof, ignoring, and playing mind games.
The reason is a deep-seated fear of emotional pain.

I hope this makes sense to you.
My thoughts are scattered but here's a good article that explains some things (it's quite negative though, and I think it applies more to the young Hades Mooner who hasn't yet become aware of the dynamics within himself): http://caitastro.blogspot.fr/2009/05/moon-square-pluto-reliance-vs.html

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posted July 31, 2013 09:17 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It takes time to master this aspect.
You can't express it positively without going through some harsh experiences that teach you about your emotional side, and how destructive it can be.

Moon in aspect to Pluto is not like a Scorpio Moon, the dynamics are different.

A Scorpio Moon is very sensitive and reactive, their emotions are quite easily triggered but they don't necessarily seek to repress them.

A Moon in aspect to Pluto still has the characterisitcs of the sign it's in, but these traits can be taken to an extreme and become an obsessive focus for the individual, a compulsion.
Pluto adds a layer of depth and intensity to the emotions no matter what sign the Moon is in.

Basically what happens, especially in youth and when the aspect isn't mastered, is that people who have Moon / Pluto in hard aspect feel things wayyyy too deeply, and they feel overwhelmed by their own emotions, which can scare them and others away.

So when they become aware of the fact that they're "different" and much more sensitive than other people, they decide to protect themselves and they do it in various ways: cutting off emotions, turning cold, substance abuse, bullying, and so on (negative manifestations).

If channelled positively, the Moon / Pluto individual learns to react differently and with less intensity to people and situations, and transmutes their energy into healing, spirituality, or service.

Obviously the area that's most affected by the Moon / Pluto aspect is that which involves feelings and family - there's usually a lot of suffering or trauma of some kind with the mother or the women in the family, or in the immediate family where the child grows up, so he becomes hypersensitive and insecure, always awaiting for danger of some sort (very often there's an extreme fear of losing a parent, separation anxiety, etc).

That insecurity tends to poison every close relationship from then on, especially friendships and romantic relationships (fear of enmeshment / abandonment is a typical Moon / Pluto, Moon / Saturn issue).

And that's why Hades Mooners very often sabotage their relationships by acting extremely insecure, needy and controlling, or conversely by being aloof, ignoring, and playing mind games.
The reason is a deep-seated fear of emotional pain.

I hope this makes sense to you.
My thoughts are scattered but here's a good article that explains some things (it's quite negative though, and I think it applies more to the young Hades Mooner who hasn't yet become aware of the dynamics within himself): http://caitastro.blogspot.fr/2009/05/moon-square-pluto-reliance-vs.html

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posted July 31, 2013 09:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Those are just observations I've made based on my own experience and that of the people I know who have the same aspect.

It plays out differently for everyone and some people don't experience it in such a dramatic way, though.

So be careful when analysing a chart and don't jump to conclusions too quickly.

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No assumptions here. My parents have Moon/Pluto aspects so I'm familiar with the dynamic even though I wasn't 'aware' of the aspect until I saw it in the girl's chart and did my own research.

posted July 31, 2013 09:43 AM              

Not every Moon / Pluto person has traumatic experiences with their mother. Some have this aspect and are inseparable from them (perhaps that falls under separation anxiety though. I have the opposition and had that when I was little.)

I have Moon opposition Pluto (Moon in Taurus, in the 11H - so somewhat like you, Iris!) and Mars conjunct ASC (again, like you!) I get irritated very easily and my feelings will jump from 1 to 10 quickly, but my Mars is in the 12H, Moon is trine Saturn, I was raised right - so I keep my composure.

*I do feel my emotions intensely, but not in a scary way, really. At worst I hold onto a slight for far too long, longer than Taurus moons are supposed to.
*I've never "liked" someone lightly. It always turned intense and into game playing, although lately I've made a conscious effort not to resort to that (with positive results! Then I fell off the wagon...)
*I always want revenge on people that hurt me, but tend to lose interest before I actually get it.

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I clicked the link, and read through the paragraph.

I don't agree about it bringing on conflicts with parents. Doesn't everyone have conflicts with their parents at some point? Every teenager eventually breaks away from depending on their parents' identity, to find their own?

I also don't make women uncomfortable (I could if I wanted to, probably, but I attribute that to still wearing heels even though I'm 5'7" and weighing a lot more than most women. I also have Moon and Venus in the 11H, so women tend to like me easily. Wish it was Sun and Mars there.... >.<

I don't know what these "overwhelming emotions" they're talking about, honestly. Maybe for other Moon signs they are overwhelming but as a Taurus moon, I work past whatever I'm feeling without denying it. The way they describe them makes me think of a deranged bunny boiler, which I doubt is the case with the majority of Moon / Pluto people. OR maybe I'm so used to the intensity that I think it's normal, but I've been accused of apathy on numerous occasions so....

I'm definitely a loner. I'm friendly but I don't like or make an effort to include people in my life, really. Unless they are long standing friends.

It's also true that I have a very hard time being submissive. I think this is the reason I have hiccups when dating men. It's a defense mechanism for me to argue with them, test them, mock them... it sounds so crappy on paper, I know.

I don't "search and destroy" obstacles at all... if anything, I just change route.

posted July 31, 2013 04:08 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It takes time to master this aspect.
You can't express it positively without going through some harsh experiences that teach you about your emotional side, and how destructive it can be.

Moon in aspect to Pluto is not like a Scorpio Moon, the dynamics are different.

A Scorpio Moon is very sensitive and reactive, their emotions are quite easily triggered but they don't necessarily seek to repress them.

A Moon in aspect to Pluto still has the characterisitcs of the sign it's in, but these traits can be taken to an extreme and become an obsessive focus for the individual, a compulsion.
Pluto adds a layer of depth and intensity to the emotions no matter what sign the Moon is in.

Basically what happens, especially in youth and when the aspect isn't mastered, is that people who have Moon / Pluto in hard aspect feel things wayyyy too deeply, and they feel overwhelmed by their own emotions, which can scare them and others away.

So when they become aware of the fact that they're "different" and much more sensitive than other people, they decide to protect themselves and they do it in various ways: cutting off emotions, turning cold, substance abuse, bullying, and so on (negative manifestations).

If channelled positively, the Moon / Pluto individual learns to react differently and with less intensity to people and situations, and transmutes their energy into healing, spirituality, or service.

Obviously the area that's most affected by the Moon / Pluto aspect is that which involves feelings and family - there's usually a lot of suffering or trauma of some kind with the mother or the women in the family, or in the immediate family where the child grows up, so he becomes hypersensitive and insecure, always awaiting for danger of some sort (very often there's an extreme fear of losing a parent, separation anxiety, etc).

That insecurity tends to poison every close relationship from then on, especially friendships and romantic relationships (fear of enmeshment / abandonment is a typical Moon / Pluto, Moon / Saturn issue).

And that's why Hades Mooners very often sabotage their relationships by acting extremely insecure, needy and controlling, or conversely by being aloof, ignoring, and playing mind games.
The reason is a deep-seated fear of emotional pain.

I hope this makes sense to you.
My thoughts are scattered but here's a good article that explains some things (it's quite negative though, and I think it applies more to the young Hades Mooner who hasn't yet become aware of the dynamics within himself): http://caitastro.blogspot.fr/2009/05/moon-square-pluto-reliance-vs.html

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A perfect analysis that applies for me.
Aries Moon(Scorpio Duad) 11th house almost exactly quincunxy Pluto in Scorpio.
The analysis was perfect, my feelings are so deep, Im scared to show them to not scare people off I act cold and aloof and end up playing mind games.
This aspect maybe has to do with people being manipulative too?

Great analysis everything,everything so accurate about substances, problems with the mother, just spot on.

posted July 31, 2013 04:29 PM            

I have good friendships with girls.Actually,I've got a stellium in the 11th and I love my friends,they love me back if they can accept my darker side,which i'm not always proud of.

posted October 26, 2018 05:34 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It takes time to master this aspect.
You can't express it positively without going through some harsh experiences that teach you about your emotional side, and how destructive it can be.

Moon in aspect to Pluto is not like a Scorpio Moon, the dynamics are different.

A Scorpio Moon is very sensitive and reactive, their emotions are quite easily triggered but they don't necessarily seek to repress them.

A Moon in aspect to Pluto still has the characterisitcs of the sign it's in, but these traits can be taken to an extreme and become an obsessive focus for the individual, a compulsion.
Pluto adds a layer of depth and intensity to the emotions no matter what sign the Moon is in.

Basically what happens, especially in youth and when the aspect isn't mastered, is that people who have Moon / Pluto in hard aspect feel things wayyyy too deeply, and they feel overwhelmed by their own emotions, which can scare them and others away.

So when they become aware of the fact that they're "different" and much more sensitive than other people, they decide to protect themselves and they do it in various ways: cutting off emotions, turning cold, substance abuse, bullying, and so on (negative manifestations).

If channelled positively, the Moon / Pluto individual learns to react differently and with less intensity to people and situations, and transmutes their energy into healing, spirituality, or service.

Obviously the area that's most affected by the Moon / Pluto aspect is that which involves feelings and family - there's usually a lot of suffering or trauma of some kind with the mother or the women in the family, or in the immediate family where the child grows up, so he becomes hypersensitive and insecure, always awaiting for danger of some sort (very often there's an extreme fear of losing a parent, separation anxiety, etc).

That insecurity tends to poison every close relationship from then on, especially friendships and romantic relationships (fear of enmeshment / abandonment is a typical Moon / Pluto, Moon / Saturn issue).

And that's why Hades Mooners very often sabotage their relationships by acting extremely insecure, needy and controlling, or conversely by being aloof, ignoring, and playing mind games.
The reason is a deep-seated fear of emotional pain.

I hope this makes sense to you.
My thoughts are scattered but here's a good article that explains some things (it's quite negative though, and I think it applies more to the young Hades Mooner who hasn't yet become aware of the dynamics within himself): http://caitastro.blogspot.fr/2009/05/moon-square-pluto-reliance-vs.html

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It's funny because while I do resonate with the parts about feeling way too deeply and being overwhemled by my feelings, the bits about Scorpio Moon is true for me too. Because of my reactions to things, people, even my own dad have said, "You're too sensitive, quit taking everything personally, you complain and ***** about everything, stop holding grudges and let it go, why are you so angry all of the time, are you ever happy?"

The insecurity and bottling it up bits were true when I was younger but that was also because my dad was mentally abusive and would get physical if I overreacted to things. He put a knife up to a neck when I was 9-10 years old and started screaming at me when I threw a fit and said I should kill myself. That's just one of the things that happened. Then again, as I age I am slowly finding that maybe part of me is looking for drama to stir just to prove myself in some way, make it known to not **** with me.

posted November 02, 2018 09:51 AM            

I'll give a few example

posted November 02, 2018 10:04 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It takes time to master this aspect.
You can't express it positively without going through some harsh experiences that teach you about your emotional side, and how destructive it can be.

Moon in aspect to Pluto is not like a Scorpio Moon, the dynamics are different.

A Scorpio Moon is very sensitive and reactive, their emotions are quite easily triggered but they don't necessarily seek to repress them.

A Moon in aspect to Pluto still has the characterisitcs of the sign it's in, but these traits can be taken to an extreme and become an obsessive focus for the individual, a compulsion.
Pluto adds a layer of depth and intensity to the emotions no matter what sign the Moon is in.

Basically what happens, especially in youth and when the aspect isn't mastered, is that people who have Moon / Pluto in hard aspect feel things wayyyy too deeply, and they feel overwhelmed by their own emotions, which can scare them and others away.

So when they become aware of the fact that they're "different" and much more sensitive than other people, they decide to protect themselves and they do it in various ways: cutting off emotions, turning cold, substance abuse, bullying, and so on (negative manifestations).

If channelled positively, the Moon / Pluto individual learns to react differently and with less intensity to people and situations, and transmutes their energy into healing, spirituality, or service.

Obviously the area that's most affected by the Moon / Pluto aspect is that which involves feelings and family - there's usually a lot of suffering or trauma of some kind with the mother or the women in the family, or in the immediate family where the child grows up, so he becomes hypersensitive and insecure, always awaiting for danger of some sort (very often there's an extreme fear of losing a parent, separation anxiety, etc).

That insecurity tends to poison every close relationship from then on, especially friendships and romantic relationships (fear of enmeshment / abandonment is a typical Moon / Pluto, Moon / Saturn issue).

And that's why Hades Mooners very often sabotage their relationships by acting extremely insecure, needy and controlling, or conversely by being aloof, ignoring, and playing mind games.
The reason is a deep-seated fear of emotional pain.

I hope this makes sense to you.
My thoughts are scattered but here's a good article that explains some things (it's quite negative though, and I think it applies more to the young Hades Mooner who hasn't yet become aware of the dynamics within himself): http://caitastro.blogspot.fr/2009/05/moon-square-pluto-reliance-vs.html

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You said: It takes time to master this aspect. You can't express it positively without going through some harsh experiences that teach you about your emotional side, and how destructive it can be.

I guess this is why people who have this aspect usually have this with people in synastry? I have it with three people but it's not felt the same way. With one person I feel jealously it's more of the negative side. With the other person I don't really feel much. I have talk to them about some things. Yet nothing really too personal. But with the last person so far it's different. I feel the most comfortable opening up about how I really feel. I don't know how they feel though. Sometimes I think it might be too intense for them. So I guess it depends on other aspects and placements.