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Topic: Sadism In The Chart
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Ami Anne
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posted August 28, 2013 10:20 PM
  
Yes, about water voids or low water. These people do not understand the world of emotions particularly when they are subtle, which they are most of the time.I think the water void is the hardest void by far. ------------------
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LiesLilithsaidtouranus
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posted August 28, 2013 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
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I just read your post about being bullied. In which house is your Chiron? Is it in the first or conj the ASC?
I have Chiron in the 6th house, conjunct Vertex. I have a Libra stellium, when including the NN which is 6 degrees apart.
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LiesLilithsaidtouranus
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posted August 28, 2013 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yes, about water voids or low water. These people do not understand the world of emotions particularly when they are subtle, which they are most of the time.I think the water void is the hardest void by far.
I would think any void is hard. They are all equal in my eyes.
I lack fire, I only have it in pluto and that's tough enough. I lack ambition at times. edit:
In my opinion I think lack of fire would not make someone a sadist or a sociopath. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 29, 2013 08:42 AM
I have Chiron in the 6th house, conjunct Vertex. I have a Libra stellium, when including the NN which is 6 degrees apart.WOW Get this What touches the vertex comes to YOU i.e pain/ bullying What touches the Anti -vertex, YOU bring, The Anti vertex is the exact opposite point like the NN/SN I love working with you. We have such an intellectual chemistry  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 29, 2013 08:52 AM
Right, the water void is low empathy. However, one sociopath I know has tons of water and the other has a good deal too.I think the lack of water makes for people who are kind of clueless, in general. However, many of the sociopath charts have high water so we can't make a doctrine about elements I don't think.
So far, I think the Unaspected Jupiter is a trait we can add, though.
With Unaspected planets, you are kind of a sociopath in that you have no rules/parents. You have no aspects so you are like a feral child. I have Venus Unaspected and I can feel this. I have made my venus into what I want. I really want to be able to give love. That is something that I find to be special about people and always have. I would notice people who could give love and I have tried to develop this in myself. Some people with the Unaspected venus become players and wreak havoc with hearts. You do have a strange kind of choice with the Unaspected Planets. ------------------
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LiesLilithsaidtouranus
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posted August 29, 2013 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]I have Chiron in the 6th house, conjunct Vertex. I have a Libra stellium, when including the NN which is 6 degrees apart.WOW Get this What touches the vertex comes to YOU i.e pain/ bullying What touches the Anti -vertex, YOU bring, The Anti vertex is the exact opposite point like the NN/SN I love working with you. We have such an intellectual chemistry [/B]
Do you think Chiron can cause someone to be sadistic, or do you think that another person in synastry has to activate this? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 29, 2013 03:40 PM
Umm I don't think that question relates to the vertex/anti vertex point.If I am missing something, please explain! ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 29, 2013 03:43 PM
I looked again. Chiron is not sadism. Chiron is pure pain of each person's deepest wound. they don't relate imo
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LiesLilithsaidtouranus
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posted August 29, 2013 03:47 PM
I know for sure, Pluto in the 7th house can make someone a sadist. If it is close to the DSC axis then the person gives the okay for someone to be in control of them.
But if it isn't close to the DSC and more towards the 8th house, the person takes more control.
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Violets
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posted August 29, 2013 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by LiesLilithsaidtouranus:
I know for sure, Pluto in the 7th house can make someone a sadist. If it is close to the DSC axis then the person gives the okay for someone to be in control of them.
But if it isn't close to the DSC and more towards the 8th house, the person takes more control.
Interesting. Someone I know has Nessus conj her DC, of course opp her Scorpio AC, which is conj her Chiron.
I wouldn't necessarily call her a "sadist", and she's definitely not a sociopath. But she does appear to have an inherent cruel streak that she just can't seem to help. More on an emotional level than a physical one, but she does seem to thoroughly enjoy any type of schadenfreude.
Not expressed sexually in any way. Just...a cruel streak, and the capacity for emotional cruelty. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 29, 2013 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by LiesLilithsaidtouranus:
I know for sure, Pluto in the 7th house can make someone a sadist. If it is close to the DSC axis then the person gives the okay for someone to be in control of them.
But if it isn't close to the DSC and more towards the 8th house, the person takes more control.
Do you mean masochist? ------------------
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indigomoon8
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posted August 29, 2013 11:05 PM
I can be a bit of a sadist.I've gotten into some pretty bad fights with my bf, i enjoyed the feeling and look on his face when i push him on edge. When we play around i like to inflict pain on him and hear the sound he makes. I secretly have the rolling look of amusement when he injures his self (not seriously just minor) and like to press his injuries if its sore just for a reaction. I enjoy learning about people with mental illnesses and wonder whats going on. I try really hard not to laugh at some of the crazy things they do not at them but bcbc i wonder how the brain works that way. Auras of mental ill people look like a bunch of spiral confused whees spinning around their head to me. I enjoy the feeling of tattoos. I am a virgo sun/asc ,gemini moon, leo venus, libra mars. Heavy neptune uranus pluto aspects. IP: Logged |
indigomoon8
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posted August 29, 2013 11:31 PM
I can be a bit of a sadist.I've gotten into some pretty bad fights with my bf, i enjoyed the feeling and look on his face when i push him on edge. When we play around i like to inflict pain on him and hear the sound he makes. I secretly have the rolling look of amusement when he injures his self (not seriously just minor) and like to press his injuries if its sore just for a reaction. I enjoy learning about people with mental illnesses and wonder whats going on. I try really hard not to laugh at some of the crazy things they do not at them but bcbc i wonder how the brain works that way. Auras of mental ill people look like a bunch of spiral confused whees spinning around their head to me. I enjoy the feeling of tattoos. I am a virgo sun/asc ,gemini moon, leo venus, libra mars. Heavy neptune uranus pluto aspects. IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted August 30, 2013 12:48 AM
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posted August 30, 2013 01:15 AM
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Violets
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posted August 30, 2013 01:41 AM
Ha ha...I think you mean Lies, not Violets.  IP: Logged |
butterflyxoxxo
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posted August 30, 2013 03:19 AM
This is a great example, has the mutable sun and moon and many aspects to Pluto
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Ami Anne
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posted August 30, 2013 08:32 AM
Wow, always excited to come back and find new responses and a chart. Thanks! xxIP: Logged |
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posted August 30, 2013 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by butterflyxoxxo:
This is a great example, has the mutable sun and moon and many aspects to Pluto
The conjunction of Mars and Chiron got my attention. Could that be a thing? Mars and Chiron suggesting cruelty? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 30, 2013 10:47 AM
To me, Mars and Chiron would be personal pain with one's passions or drive.I see this person having trouble being assertive and/or going after his own needs. To me, Chiron is more of a personal pain kind of thing. I don't see it acting out in a sadistic way. It could act out as an animal pushed to the wall and wanting self protection. That is how I see it anyway. Maybe, other people would disagree. ------------------
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LiesLilithsaidtouranus
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posted August 30, 2013 11:00 AM
Ami, so I digged up a chart of someone I tremendously hate. She is the definition of a sociopath and a sadist in my opinion. She is the most horrible human being I have ever come across.
She has Sun conjunct Dejanira. Saturn is conjunct her sun, but is 4 degrees away from Dejanira.
She has nessus conjunct her pluto, like me.I don't really know if I want to post her chart on here though.... Thinking of her makes my blood boil. IP: Logged |
olgatheo
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posted August 31, 2013 06:23 AM
Difficult Mars aspects usually bring about this , some say Mars sq. Saturn in fixed signs???IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 31, 2013 08:13 AM
Post her chart, Lies. Just white out the name.I was asked a question if Mars conj Chiron could be a victim. I thought no, at first. Then, I thought maybe cuz Chiron conj the ASC does. What do you think? ------------------
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posted August 31, 2013 08:29 AM
Ami, I'm reposting here Baniswezski's chart because she had actually been diagnosed as a sadist from a psychiatrist. Specifically, he had asked her to draw a self-portrait and she had drawn herself with claws instead of normal fingers, which symbolized her thirstto hurt other people.  IP: Logged |
LiesLilithsaidtouranus
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posted August 31, 2013 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Post her chart, Lies. Just white out the name.I was asked a question if Mars conj Chiron could be a victim. I thought no, at first. Then, I thought maybe cuz Chiron conj the ASC does. What do you think?
Hmmm, this is a tricky question. Mars conjunct Chiron would almost be like doing anything you have a drive for, and then it comes crumbling down because people might not accept it? I looked up a bit on it. The way it seems it could be the worst chiron conjunction.
It is almost like a warrior being chained up, who was forced into a war they find difficult to battle. Chiron conjunct the NN, very close to it or in aspect to it in anyway, seems to bring on a world of pain. Doesn't it? Or no? Gertrude has NN conjunct Chiron, I believe a person that has this will hurt others and be hurt in the process as well. It's almost like a personal goal. I'll post up the chart in a little while.
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