posted August 29, 2013 03:23 AM            

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Originally posted by 11nahyt:
Lol noooo. I was trying impersonate the devil. Trying to "Lead you astray"..I definitely don't want to get married though

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posted August 29, 2013 03:37 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
You're a sag, right? Sags I know are not interested in marriage, they love their freedom.

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posted August 29, 2013 03:44 AM            

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Originally posted by 11nahyt:
Actually I'm a libra sun with a libra stellium in the 7th lmao. I should be the type to have planned my wedding day since i was little right? All about relationships and all that jazz..But nope. I knew since i was 7 yrs old that i did not want to get married, nor have kids either. The only sag influence i have is MC in Sagittarius with Uranus conjunct. And that conjunction squares my libra placements.

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posted August 29, 2013 03:47 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
You sound like a Sag though, where is your Jupiter?

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posted August 29, 2013 03:49 AM            

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Originally posted by 11nahyt:
You're like the 4th person whose said that to me. I have Jupiter in cancer in the 4th house.

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posted August 29, 2013 04:15 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I thought you would have Jupiter in 1st or 3rd, that's weird haha. Does it square your Libra stellium?

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Yeah.. and opposite my capricorn stellium too (outer planets). forming like 100 t-squares in the process lol...i dislike the idea of marriage soo much, that its one of the first things i ask any guy I'm semi interested in... "So, do you see yourself married and with kids sometime in your future?". If he says yes, i am completely repulsed, and he's just earned his brand new friendzone card instead

posted August 29, 2013 05:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Zander916:
From what I was just reading, if it conjuncts Pluto it's like a double espresso - very strong. Explains a lot.
It conjuncts pluto, Asc, and Pluto conjuncts asc as well. Moon squares my asc.
Whew... well now I have an excuse?

What do you feel with it conjunct Pluto in 8th?

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Oh I hadn't seen this.... Here's something I found online. It's soo Scary and fascinating how accurate this is for me......me always trying to Keep things at surface level to keep people from getting curious, asking questions.. my extreme need for privacy...Issues with putting myself in any position where the spotlight could potentially be on me. Etc etc..Wow. Soo spot on....i have another Lilith (asteroid) too in the 8th.not conjunct pluto though. but conjunct eros. ill check what that means later on..Though i have a feeling it might explain about my "nasty" perverse ways lol....We both have the Pluto/DML conjunction, So maybe you can relate to whats written here too..

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Aspects from Pluto to Dark Moon Lilith
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When impersonally involved these people can be very persuasive. They know just what to say or not to say at the right time for the strongest effect, otherwise they are just as apt to keep silent rather than to expose how they feel. They have unusually strong powers of observation & almost all of them, barring other factors in the chart, have some degree of extra sensory perception. They are good in work of a secret nature.

You will never know all there is to know about them personally, no matter the appearance given to the contrary. They instinctively know the value of a certain amount of privacy but are not necessarily obvious about it. They prefer instead that you be unaware of this important personal need, in order to avoid any undue curiosity from you that makes them distinctly uneasy about interference. They are (or become) quite expert at drawing attention away from their vulnerable areas; or their private ideas; until they feel that they are in control of the situation. They prefer to be more active in the background until then. They are a force to be eventually reckoned with if they feel exposed to personal attack, criticism or denial. But, within areas that avoid personality involvements they welcome criticism as a challenge for them to meet in what they do & if you are correct they will admire you for it.

Pride is usually strong. However, it is not a problem ordinarily, unless you come too close to something personal they wish to avoid having attention focused on & prefer to deal with strictly by themselves. In this case, they may appear to be open enough about it, instinctively realizing that obvious secrecy would only stir curiosity & risk interference. However if another's curiosity is too great, there is a growing adamance toward you because of what they see as your possible invasion of their privacy. Whether you may have unwittingly come upon it or not, is all the same to them. Their forcefulness becomes apparent (usually through attitude), but always in a subtle way that puts you suddenly in a strangely defensive position, as if your integrity is on the line. This soon gets the message across to leave them alone, it is as if you had come too close to a private territory they have claimed as their own & the door is closed to you in a way that leaves you with a distinct feeling of having been somehow overpowered. You do not know what really happened, but the graciously open outer demeanor suddenly seems to be warning you away. You may emotionally pick up on their resentment of your 'intrusion' & find yourself left with a strange feeling of upset & having been somehow punished or turned on, but you do not know why or what really happened. When necessary they can be downright sarcastic, putting you on the defensive as if an apology were in order but you do not know why.

People with DMLilith aspecting Pluto are unusually vulnerable. At some time in their life they may have been too predictable or obvious about themselves, exposing themselves to forces or persons by whom they felt, or were, personally undermined in the control of their own affairs. Once extricated from this they realize only too well their vulnerability & go to great lengths to avoid (or do away with) any unnecessary personal spotlights on themselves, but never their power (Jimmy Carter). They like to keep a certain personal invisibility, not so much about their outer life or professional part they play in what they do, as much as in their personality involvement behind it. However, when blinded by personality involvement they have been known to state something penetrating about themselves that once & for all does away with curiosity about a particular area from which they fear attack (reasonable or not). Mr. Carter did this when he spoke of his "lust" during an interview for Playboy Magazine ~ a national publication.

There is either an interest in the paranormal or they are in contact with persons of such interest. There may be awakening of unusual powers, as in the case of Uri Geller, famous Russian psychic known particularly for his work with psychokinesis. Mr. Gellar has DMLilith in Scorpio in the 1st house square a conjunction of Pluto-Saturn in the 10th. DMLilith magnified to incredible heights the psychic potential of a Scorpio stellium in his 1st house square the 10th house conjunction.

People with DMLilith-Pluto aspects know how to relate to those in positions of power or potential power & many times develop strong friendships here. They are the influence behind a project. They make invaluable advisers if they believe in what is being done. There is nothing lukewarm about these people. They are either for something or it is non-existent to them. They have unusual attunement to mass psychology, as we saw for the negative extreme in Rev. Jim Jones in Jonestown, Guyana (DMLilith conjunct Saturn opposition Pluto). The mass induced suicides & murders surpassed belief in 1978. In literature we had Alex Haley (DMLilith trine Pluto), author of the book Roots, a work that triggered a social sense of pride in black people for their historical background ~ no small feat at that time.

Crusading tendencies are strong in people with DMLilith-Pluto connections. Whether the motivation is positive or negative is what makes the difference for good or evil. With the hard aspects selfish temptations are stronger, but if the dedication to the Father's work surpasses desire for personal power, DMLilith aligned to Pluto can be a sure guide for the working of miracles.

excerpted from D.G.Jay's Interpreting Lilith (1981)

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posted August 29, 2013 06:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
<edit> TMI.

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posted August 29, 2013 07:39 AM            

~ from Interpreting Lilith by D.G.Jay (1981)
technically, this book is on Dark Moon Lilith, the 2nd hypothetical moon of Earth ~
but I think these interpretations may be applied to all forms of Lilith, especially when just starting to de-tangle the different Lilith forms

Lilith in the 8th
<from Interpreting Lilith by D.G.Jay (1981)>

Loner tendencies are strong in these people, but are deliberately kept to a low profile. This is to ensure that attention is not drawn to their uncommonly deep need for privacy & create the kind of curiosity about themselves that invites questions, leaving them vulnerable to intrusion or influence over which they have no control. They have a strong aversion for idle curiosity & expediently conduct themselves in a manner as not to arouse it.

Lilith is extreme, no middleground. In the 8th house it magnifies the introverted tendencies in the individual & particularly the desire nature, creating an intense inner life. In solitude they find the strengthening peace they need. No matter the cut of the chart otherwise, privacy is a fetish.

Though the appearance may be given of being direct & outwardly involved ~ extroverted, they are nevertheless discreet in building a private life atmosphere for themselves that makes them not easily accessible, either through choice of residence, particular lifestyle or work immersion. Living a good distance from relatives & friends, or having to work odd hours, offers an acceptable & non-neglectful reason for not visiting too often or being visited, thereby insuring greater solitude for themselves. They care as deeply, if not more than others, for their loved ones & friends, but must be infinitely more particular of the inroads even the best of intentioned can make. No matter how it is done it allows for the privacy they want ~ even the anonymity they desire at times ~ without drawing undue notice that might attract interference, misinterpretation or denial of the control over their own lives. In case it would broadcast a part of themselves they would prefer to keep hidden, you might say that they are secretive about being secretive.

.... few but very special friends. Keeping their own counsel becomes quite automatic in adulthood, taking few into their confidence. They take great care to not give any unnecessary indications of their thoughts, opinions or plans. That is, until they have had enough time alone to not only investigate & formulate them thoroughly for themselves, but if a plan, to make certain that they are essentially in control of it first, as well of themselves. They do not want to risk its being undermined or to attract unnecessary opposition.

They feel strangely vulnerable & are ~ explaining the early tensions and/or resentment. As they grow older, they are continually haunted by uneasy feelings of losing all control of their affairs to others or being victimized. This may be entirely subconscious, but accounts for other unusual psychological fears that many astrologers have found in the house that Lilith tenants.

They must build their psychic-emotional defenses through the objectivity one gains from an intellectual or strictly practical approach to things. Or, through a creative ambition that supplies an impersonal social outlet through which their intensity can be productively channeled ~ or be enslaved, if you will, to circumstances with no options. This is not to imply any lack of personal sincerity or graciousness on their part, unless other factors indicate otherwise, but simply a far greater than average need to get for themselves the necessary time & space for objectivity with which to ensure their privacy. Anything less becomes secretly abhorent to them.... Contrary to outer appearances of congeniality & a gracious interest in you, these are essentially very private people with extremely fixed feelings.

When this one is unselfishly or impersonally oriented in his/her interests; in other words, depersonalizes, Lilith in the 8th releases sure inner guidance for raising this one's consciousness through challenges of the mind, the imagination or the spirit, as opposed to mundane desire. When finally they raise the consciousness above mere superficial satisfactions, (or are forced to) & accept that their path is through something higher in themselves, they eventually (or should I say automatically?), gain & keep control of their lives & know it & are at peace. No amount of invested wealth, marital or social support, inheritance or even power, eventually can satisfy otherwise.

When selfishly oriented they keep reaching for more, as they are then made incredibly subjective to their powerful desire nature by denying higher Lilithian energy & led down a gardenpath of frustration. Until this one relates to the riches of the mind, the soul or the spirit, as opposed to the weaknesses of the flesh & the desires of the personality, he or she can never feel fully satisfied.

When positive, they often find satisfying release through a vocational pursuit that has within it an outlet for a particular talent of the Zodiac sign Lilith is in. It gives their work special coloring & it makes it unique from others in the field.... Eventually there is an acquired strength that one can sense about these people that make some uneasy.

Although they will forgive, they will never forget a slight. Pride is strong. They are turned off by mediocrity, but have near reverence for high achievers, excellence & perseverance.

Usually in youth, at least once, there were realizations that being in a position under which they have no control, or foolishly having gotten themselves into a situation where base desires dominated, they found themselves compromised, controlled, severely criticized and/or totally misunderstood. They felt the sickening feeling of humiliation & the stinging loss of pride. Through such experiences or through one that came too close for comfort, particularly in a passive chart, they realized how vulnerable they were.

In some cases it is through the early death of someone very close; witnessing a near death or fatal accident; or their work brings them into contact with death, that forces them into an awareness of the thread by which life hangs. It is magnified by Lilith into metaphysical awareness of their own mortality ~ the "open sesame" to objectivity.

The 8th house is also the house of healing power or powers of regeneration. Some form of healing may be another area toward which an 8th Lilith may awaken. each time healing is practiced he or she feels more greatly healed themself.

They are proud, which when positive translates itself into ambition & a dedication for their work. There is a personal dignity that is quietly but consistently impressive.

people with Lilith in the 8th:

Miss Helen Hayes ~ First Lady of the Theatre
Spencer Tracy, film star
Admiral Richard E. Byrd ~ North & South Pole explorer
Marc Edmund Jones, astrological writer
Manly Palmer Hall, astrological writer
C.E.O. Carter, astrological writer
Anita Bryant, singer & reformer
Helen Gurley Brown, author of 'Sex & the Single Girl' in the early 1960's
Angela Davis, black feminine activist
Martin Luther King ~ goes without title
Alex Haley, author of 'Roots'
In the 8th house, Lilith has brought so much trouble about inheritance that it was not worth the effort to collect it. With some it gives a terrible fear of death and has brought gruesome experiences at funerals or witness to horrible deaths at the time of an accident or disaster.
from www.sria.org/lilith_demon.htm

LILITH IN THE 8th HOUSE brings you in contact with power. Perhaps you don't notice it at all, or you don't want to admit that people use their power. There is also the possibility that you misjudge your own power by suppressing others. Possibly you expose yourself consciously to dangers or get enticed to dangerous and or sexual activities. This position usually brings contacts with deaths and losses in early years. By your internal wisdom you understood with the years that death is a part of the life.
from www.nmazca.com/coeli/lilith.htm

posted August 29, 2013 08:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:

I remember I said to the person love when we were being affectionate.. I just stopped and asked,
"Will you give me your soul..?"
Did I mention I have like no pluto aspecting my personal planets....
It has to be Lilth

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posted August 29, 2013 11:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Lilith does not ask. Lilith would take it and declare it - this thing is mine now

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posted August 29, 2013 11:42 AM            

@ Panthera--No, no of course not. I just blurted there for a minute and decided to take it down. I think I've divulged quite enough personal information on this site to last at least another year. Or ten.

I could really identify with the Lilith 8th description. BML is in 7th, but Osc Lilith is in 8th, both conj my sun.
Interesting. It's funny, because I suppose I knew these things about myself already, and as it's close to my sun identified strongly with a lot of it without much thought.

posted August 29, 2013 11:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
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yes, you can take, borrow or steal it. Most prefer to simply sell it, though. Illuminati.

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Yeah but If someone truly loves me they would be willing to hand me their soul.
Yes I like to **** souls but I'm no soul-rapist...

I think pluto steals soul, Lilith seduces people into handing their souls on a platter.

Besides I have moon opp lilith. So it's the struggle between pure yin energy and dark yin energy. I'm not a power house like lilith conjunct moon/sun.

I use my innocence child like charm to lure victims... I mean lovers..

posted August 29, 2013 12:07 PM            

I've already experienced the negatives, and I think I'm moving on to the more positive energies in life, generally.

I've always been an equal rights advocate, and I do work in a homeless shelter for women...
I speak out strongly against misogyny, and often have to explain the word to people. I'm pretty quick to point it out when someone is a closet misogynist.

posted August 29, 2013 12:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I think pluto steals soul, Lilith seduces people into handing their souls on a platter.

Besides I have moon opp lilith. So it's the struggle between pure yin energy and dark yin energy. I'm not a power house like lilith conjunct moon/sun.

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How do you think a man with natal Moon/BML conjunction would feel or act?
I am currently lusting after one..My Pluto squares his Moon/BML conjunction at 1 degree.
He is not childish, though. Rather dark and secretive.

I'd guess that men with such placement would attract to themselves bitchy women.

posted August 29, 2013 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
So what are the positive manifestations of BML?

But besides that...what positives does BML have to offer?

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Nobody jerks around a BML native. That's the positive.

posted August 29, 2013 12:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
How do you think a man with natal Moon/BML conjunction would feel or act?
I am currently lusting after one..My Pluto squares his Moon/BML conjunction at 1 degree.
He is not childish, though. Rather dark and secretive.

I'd guess that men with such placement would attract to themselves bitchy women.

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He could either have bad relationships with women or think lowly of them, sort of like a vicious circle.
Or he could be attuned with his femininity and confident with sexuality which is really desirable, no?
Radical opposites, I know.

posted August 29, 2013 04:55 PM            

While some see her as destructive, she is also capable of the destruction of evil. That's a reason that I feel very dear towards Kali. I feel that she protects against evil with ferocity, but also out of love.