posted August 31, 2013 10:27 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:

Humans are the only living beings that commit suicide.

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posted August 31, 2013 10:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Zander916:
Newb question.

Could say.... later in life (progressed chart) have enough influence to make a person snap out of (or into) depression?

Plus, maybe mine was a transit or some sort?
EVERY SINGLE EPISODE going back was in the months of June, July, August. Essentially, reversed SAD. It does exist but highly rare. I guess I'm lucky.

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posted August 31, 2013 10:28 PM            

I don't pull this stuff out of my hat. I do charts and charts and pick people's brains.

Astrology must be practical or it is of no use.

I am glad this resonated with you, Sag. You can understand why you are so reactive

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posted August 31, 2013 10:31 PM            

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Originally posted by SagittariusRising:
Ami,

Astute observation about combust Sun/Mercury. I have it within 10' of orb; it does affect the way I think. I find that I obsess over things often, particularly embarrassing moments and criticisms. A tight Neptune opposition doesn't help, either.

It could definitely lead to (for lack of a better term) madness, which could lead to depression or suicidal thinking.

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You describe it very well. I was not sure if you meant a 10 degree orb but you didn't.

I see it as a factor in madness. I have seen it in many charts and I find it to be very sad.

Each degree is very, very important. The closer to exact, as you have, the harder

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posted August 31, 2013 10:32 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
No one knows for sure if that's true

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posted August 31, 2013 10:32 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Zander916:
[b]Newb question.

Could say.... later in life (progressed chart) have enough influence to make a person snap out of (or into) depression?

Plus, maybe mine was a transit or some sort?
EVERY SINGLE EPISODE going back was in the months of June, July, August. Essentially, reversed SAD. It does exist but highly rare. I guess I'm lucky.

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posted August 31, 2013 10:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Not deers lmfao.

Their all bad ******* .

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If ever there was a suicidal creature besides man, that's it. Stupid, they are but THAT stupid? I don't know. LOL

I stopped my car once and for fun started yelling at them and they STILL didn't run away. lol

posted September 01, 2013 06:29 AM            

Here is one - may not be the most informative but still: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/213531.html

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Personally I notice a lot of outer planet activity and Saturn, combined with personal planets, especially the Sun and Moon, and sometimes Mercury (the mind).

Saturn in hard aspect to Neptune, Uranus or Pluto natally is usually quite difficult to deal with because Saturn puts restriction on the outer planet's expression which can be very frustrating and feel like something's always gonna be wrong one way or another, and it's out of your control (outer planet - circumstances).

Saturn combined with personal planets tends to create sadness / melancholy and sometimes depression.
By itself I do not think it's strong enough to trigger a suicidal act, although ideation can be present.

Pluto can factor in, but usually Plutonians are "fighters" so they fight even when faced with death, they may wish to die and maybe even attempt it, but something inside them pushes them forward and the can transform that way, rise from their ashes, so to speak.
Pluto can definitely create some dark thoughts and a lot of inner torment, though.

Neptune can be really, really bad.
It can make someone too idealistic, and thus easily disappointed. When that happens they can become too cynical and indulge in substance abuse or a form of addiction or illness, that can eventually be fatal.
It's the inability to deal with "reality" that's often triggering it. Neptunian death is usually mixed with some drug, so the signs should be there some time before it happens.
Neptune can of course "only" point to depression, not necessarily suicide.

Uranus - the mood swings and "dissociation" can make someone quite prone to impulsive actions. Uranus is the kind of energy that "just" happens. I think it's the most unpredictable one, it just strikes seemingly out of nowhere.
There's a lot of nervous tension there and that can lead to a nervous breakdown.

Generally, the Sun, Moon and / or Mercury afflicted by Saturn or the outer planets, can incline someone to have depressive thoughts at one point or another.
Venus or Mars are also possible.

Hard aspects to the Moon are really sensitive, especially from the Sun or Venus, I noticed. The internal tension can be too much to handle, and if supported by other aspects, it can lead to depression or suicide.

posted September 01, 2013 06:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
There are quite a few threads on this already.
You can do a LL search.

Here is one - may not be the most informative but still: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/213531.html

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Personally I notice a lot of outer planet activity and Saturn, combined with personal planets, especially the Sun and Moon, and sometimes Mercury (the mind).

Saturn in hard aspect to Neptune, Uranus or Pluto natally is usually quite difficult to deal with because Saturn puts restriction on the outer planet's expression which can be very frustrating and feel like something's always gonna be wrong one way or another, and it's out of your control (outer planet - circumstances).

Saturn combined with personal planets tends to create sadness / melancholy and sometimes depression.
By itself I do not think it's strong enough to trigger a suicidal act, although ideation can be present.

Pluto can factor in, but usually Plutonians are "fighters" so they fight even when faced with death, they may wish to die and maybe even attempt it, but something inside them pushes them forward and the can transform that way, rise from their ashes, so to speak.
Pluto can definitely create some dark thoughts and a lot of inner torment, though.

Neptune can be really, really bad.
It can make someone too idealistic, and thus easily disappointed. When that happens they can become too cynical and indulge in substance abuse or a form of addiction or illness, that can eventually be fatal.
It's the inability to deal with "reality" that's often triggering it. Neptunian death is usually mixed with some drug, so the signs should be there some time before it happens.
Neptune can of course "only" point to depression, not necessarily suicide.

Uranus - the mood swings and "dissociation" can make someone quite prone to impulsive actions. Uranus is the kind of energy that "just" happens. I think it's the most unpredictable one, it just strikes seemingly out of nowhere.
There's a lot of nervous tension there and that can lead to a nervous breakdown.

Generally, the Sun, Moon and / or Mercury afflicted by Saturn or the outer planets, can incline someone to have depressive thoughts at one point or another.
Venus or Mars are also possible.

Hard aspects to the Moon are really sensitive, especially from the Sun or Venus, I noticed. The internal tension can be too much to handle, and if supported by other aspects, it can lead to depression or suicide.

Triggers are mostly harsh aspects like Mars to Saturn, Neptune, Uranus or Pluto, or any of the outer planets between themselves (ex: Neptune square Pluto), especially if one of them rules the 8th or 12th houses.
They tend to make one feel helpless, powerless in some way, which can easily lead to depression and suicidal ideation.

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posted September 01, 2013 07:21 AM            

The culprit here is definitely the Mars in domicile (Aries) which is very strong, in the house of the lower mind (3rd) which rules over thinking, communicating, ideas, and so on.

It's very afflicted - squares to Uranus, Saturn, Neptune and the ASC.
Configurations like that are very difficult, especially for men, because their "power" and "masculinity" is greatly affected, "weakened".
He may have felt very frustrated with himself, maybe he had low self-esteem and believed that all his dreams and goals would be impossible for him to reach.
Neptune conjunct the ASC shows that he didn't have a clear vision of himself and his capacities, I think he was under-estimating himself way too much.
There was probably some shame or guilt involved (Saturn sq Mars from the 12th) and extreme mood swings that he may have tried to conceal.
The Scorpio emphasis only made things worse.. If he were an Air sign or an Earth sign, it may not have been that drastic.
But here, with a Scorpio Sun (by itself quite inclined to deep thinking and "torment") and of course Mercury conjunct Pluto - obsessive ideas, may border on the negative side, ideas of annihilation, cynicism, and so on.
Moon in Aquarius isn't afflicted but it's naturally at odds with his Scorpio side - he may have had lots of internal tension when it came to who he wanted to be VS who he thought he was, and maybe some instability in feelings and emotions.
Venus appears to be unaspected.. in Libra.
Maybe he wanted to be loved and love really bad, but found it hard to express all the Venusian energy, as if there was no outlet for his romantic / loving nature to come out..
And maybe his insecurities were crippling and were a hinderance to his love expression. That is also supported by the 7th house Chiron - pain and wounds around the idea of "relating" to others, especially on a close level.

Basically I think the Mercury/Pluto and Mars in the 3rd square all that 12th house stellium (house of the unconscious, self-undoing) were the most difficult aspects to deal with.
He was probably very "restless" mentally and the thoughts generated emotions and all kinds of false ideas that lead him to his tragic ending.

posted September 01, 2013 07:25 AM            

Do you mean transits?

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posted September 01, 2013 07:27 AM            

I would like to ask you about this, Doux. If one has Neptune in the 1st house and it makes a trine with Sun and Mercury in the 9th.

It makes a square with Jupiter in the 9th at 6 degrees.

What would you think? Thanks xx

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posted September 01, 2013 07:37 AM            

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posted September 01, 2013 07:51 AM            

Ian has this, too.

Was this the case for you?

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posted September 01, 2013 07:52 AM            

Wow--do you feel as if your emotions are frozen?

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posted September 01, 2013 07:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Do you mean transits?

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Yes!

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I would like to ask you about this, Doux. If one has Neptune in the 1st house and it makes a trine with Sun and Mercury in the 9th.

It makes a square with Jupiter in the 9th at 6 degrees.

What would you think? Thanks xx

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The trines to Neptune aren't that "dangerous" so to speak. They'll give a lot of sensitivity, and maybe an idealisation of 9th house stuff - higher learning, travel, foreigners, religion or philosophy. The Sun here feels things deeply and can have a lot of compassion, as well as a gentle way of communicating, sometimes maybe using analogies or metaphors. There could be a love for art, nature, poems and beautiful words, beauty in general and peace and harmony.
There's an ideal here that is supported by a higher meaning (9th) and flows into the Self (Neptune in the 1st).
The person may want to see themselves as someone who carries all the Neptunian + 9th house qualities - selfless, compassionate, faitfhul, a believer or an explorer, a teacher, and so on.

Now, the square from Jupiter is more problematic. Are you sure Jupiter is in the 9th as well? Because a trine and a square from the same house is quite odd, although maybe the house is big.
Anyway, assuming Jupiter is indeed in the 9th and squares Neptune in the 1st - the person is way too idealistic and may be often disappointed in events or people. That leads to some questioning of their beliefs (9th) and themselves, their personality (ASC).
They may feel like there's a dichotomy between their Self and their beliefs, maybe they see themselves in such terms that contradict their beliefs or have a vague idea of what they should be like based on their beliefs.
Again, there's a lot of idealism here but that can be damaging because of expectations and a blurry sense of self (Neptune in the 1st).

Hope this makes sense!

ETA: Oh! I completely went off topic, sorry.
Forgot about the whole depression / suicide thing.
Well, to me, the aspects you mentioned can lead to some depressive thoughts for sure mainly because of disillusion - Neptune's territory.
If there's a severe questioning of one's fundamental beliefs, it can lead to the "dark night of the soul" - when you lose yourself and can't figure out just what to believe in, if there's any hope at all, if there's any sense in the world, and so on.

posted September 01, 2013 07:57 AM            

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Moon--29 Pisces

Wow--do you feel as if your emotions are frozen?

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What do you mean with frozen?
It's rather the opposite, I really feel a lot all the time!

posted September 01, 2013 07:59 AM            

I can't read that style of chart. if you would like me to look, do the Astro.com style.

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posted September 01, 2013 08:00 AM            

That would explain it better. You may feel a lot but feel frozen to move.

Does that fit?

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posted September 01, 2013 08:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, a frozen degree of the Moon may be more of s taking action on your feeling rather than just feeling.

That would explain it better. You may feel a lot but feel frozen to move.

Does that fit?

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I don't really know... a lot of the time my actions are a bit delayed, so it comes a few minutes later than for a normal person... like if someone said something, I have to think about it a little bit longer, before I can give a more clever answer:P
But I always thought that was because of my retrograde mercury...
I have both mars conjunct sun and mars square uranus, wouldn't that make someone act a bit more radically than slow?