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peachbeigeblue
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posted September 01, 2013 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peachbeigeblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have always struggled with depression really. It wasnt until I became more spiritual I've gotten much better with it.

I have Sun conjunct Mercury (2)
Moon opp Pluto (3)
Sun and Mercury sq Moon (0 and 2)
Sun and Mercury sq Pluto (3 and 5)

Chart ruler, Pluto, in 12th conjunct ASC

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posted September 01, 2013 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peachbeigeblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Honestly, I only read the first page of comments but it seemed as if all of what was mentioned I had.

When I first joined this website, I was extremely depressed. It's crazy to think of how far I've come. I think it definitely has helped to learn astrology and where the tensions come from so I can have better control over the tougher parts of my birth chart. I have to give credit to this site for helping me get back on the right track emotionally. It was definitely a good outlet and gave me better understanding. Thanks LL

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posted September 01, 2013 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
I have always struggled with depression really. It wasnt until I became more spiritual I've gotten much better with it.

I have Sun conjunct Mercury (2)
Moon opp Pluto (3)
Sun and Mercury sq Moon (0 and 2)
Sun and Mercury sq Pluto (3 and 5)

Chart ruler, Pluto, in 12th conjunct ASC



You have a strong combust( 2 degrees)

Do you only have one water planet and it is generational?

I have found that this is a major problem in not being able to figure out what is going on under the surface of things--subtext.

Hence, the person can feel as if they don't know what to do i.e how to move.


Most communication is subtext.

What do you think?

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posted September 01, 2013 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
next to neptune,

Whoaa that chart! You can be proud of yourself - you're still alive!
No but really, it looks amazing..ly contradicting! hehe.
There's a lottt of potential in there though.
Once you figure out how to direct the energies properly and focus on something, you'll be brilliant (maybe you already are ).
Just keep going, you can do a lot of things.
I really mean it.

quote:
Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
When I first joined this website, I was extremely depressed. It's crazy to think of how far I've come. I think it definitely has helped to learn astrology and where the tensions come from so I can have better control over the tougher parts of my birth chart. I have to give credit to this site for helping me get back on the right track emotionally. It was definitely a good outlet and gave me better understanding. Thanks LL

Aww ((( peach )))
I'm glad you're doing better.
Keep going! ~

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Ami Anne
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posted September 01, 2013 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
Honestly, I only read the first page of comments but it seemed as if all of what was mentioned I had.

When I first joined this website, I was extremely depressed. It's crazy to think of how far I've come. I think it definitely has helped to learn astrology and where the tensions come from so I can have better control over the tougher parts of my birth chart. I have to give credit to this site for helping me get back on the right track emotionally. It was definitely a good outlet and gave me better understanding. Thanks LL



You are a wonderful addition to LL, too!

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posted September 01, 2013 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
next to neptune,

Whoaa that chart! You can be proud of yourself - you're still alive! :D
No but really, it looks amazing..ly contradicting! hehe.
There's a lottt of potential in there though.
Once you figure out how to direct the energies properly and focus on something, you'll be brilliant (maybe you already are ;) ).
Just keep going, you can do a lot of things.
I really mean it.


Heh...yes somehow my chart always makes people kinda speechless.. It's like people don't dare to tell how really bad it is:P But thanks for the optimism anyways!

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posted September 01, 2013 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I don't really get scared of difficult charts cause I have a "terrible" one myself, so.
It's just interesting to me.
I think that we can all deal with the energies we were given at birth, with some effort!
So I wasn't sugarcoating.

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posted September 01, 2013 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dark_Sun9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in Pisces placement... Hard pluto/pisces aspects

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posted September 01, 2013 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Well, I don't really get scared of difficult charts cause I have a "terrible" one myself, so.
It's just interesting to me.
I think that we can all deal with the energies we were given at birth, with some effort!
So I wasn't sugarcoating.

Yes I hope so:P My depression seem to come and go, maybe because of jupiter opposition saturn, so as long as I can be optimistic sometimes and work towards my goal at the same time, it shouldn't turn out in completely failure:P

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posted September 01, 2013 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peachbeigeblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:

You have a strong combust( 2 degrees)

Do you only have one water planet and it is generational?

I have found that this is a major problem in not being able to figure out what is going on under the surface of things--subtext.

Hence, the person can feel as if they don't know what to do i.e how to move.


Most communication is subtext.

What do you think?



I think that for me the combust mercury is more like a fusion of my ego and thoughts. If someone disagrees with me, I take it personally.

I do just have Pluto in Scorpio but Scorpio is actually the second strongest sign in my chart, next to Leo. It is my chart ruler as mentioned. I think I always "investigate" and try to understand the subtext of everything but maybe that's more my Mercury in hard aspect to Pluto?

I think that the water singleton, or water void -- depending what you read since it's generational -- can sometimes make it hard for me to express my sympathy for others as i feel it. Instead it's more my taurus moon that just wants to "be there" for them even if i don't know what to say emotionally. I think it can be hard for people that I am more of a rock in that regard. I don't think I have a problem expressing my emotions to loved ones, but that might be more of a learned behavior than an astrological inclination from my chart.

quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:

You are a wonderful addition to LL, too!



quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

Aww ((( peach )))
I'm glad you're doing better.
Keep going! ~



Thanks sweetie!!!

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Ami Anne
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posted September 01, 2013 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I think that for me the combust mercury is more like a fusion of my ego and thoughts. If someone disagrees with me, I take it personally.

YES. YES. YES

This is the perfect way to say it in a few sentences. Can I add this to one of my articles

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posted September 02, 2013 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes u gotta look at transits too.

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posted September 02, 2013 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:

I'm not really impressed by taurus moon.



I have noticed there are alot of Taurus moon haters on this forum, frankly I don't get it. The moon is without a doubt very strong in Taurus. It gives a stability that you just don't find with any other moon signs. Taurus moons are loyal and predictable , you know what to expect with us. You can't say this about most people. Sound boring? Maybe it is , but most people find us easy to trust and take comfort in our consistency.

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posted September 02, 2013 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's just that women love those with Taurus moon. Even though I'm female, I benefit from women a lot. It must be that Taurus moon.

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posted September 02, 2013 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for unforgiven_soul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami Anne astro.com is giving me a hard time with those charts. I will try to post it

By the way, thank you all for contributing with your thoughts about it, it is a pleasure to read all of your interesting thoughts. I think that everybody here has a right, if I put them all together I can get a clear picture

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posted September 02, 2013 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diplopoda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Taurus moon they can be sticks in the mud. As in they're nice sure but they want thinks their way and they can't think out of the box somethimes. But taurus sun they can be worse

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posted September 03, 2013 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peachbeigeblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

[b]I think that for me the combust mercury is more like a fusion of my ego and thoughts. If someone disagrees with me, I take it personally.

YES. YES. YES

This is the perfect way to say it in a few sentences. Can I add this to one of my articles

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Of course

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posted September 03, 2013 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peachbeigeblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kerosene:
[b]

I'm not really impressed by taurus moon.



I have noticed there are alot of Taurus moon haters on this forum, frankly I don't get it. The moon is without a doubt very strong in Taurus. It gives a stability that you just don't find with any other moon signs. Taurus moons are loyal and predictable , you know what to expect with us. You can't say this about most people. Sound boring? Maybe it is , but most people find us easy to trust and take comfort in our consistency.[/B][/QUOTE]

Mhm. Taurus moon is exalted for a reason. Hands down, favorite placement in my chart

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posted September 03, 2013 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by unforgiven_soul:
Ami Anne astro.com is giving me a hard time with those charts. I will try to post it

By the way, thank you all for contributing with your thoughts about it, it is a pleasure to read all of your interesting thoughts. I think that everybody here has a right, if I put them all together I can get a clear picture


Keep at it with the charts. You can come post it in the Beginners Section too as I always watch that.

Make it attention to me so I am sure to focus on it.

You can ask some of your important questions there, too.

Sometimes, I am so all over the place on LL that I don't come back to a thread.

My earth void makes me kind of disorganized

The most important thing one can do is face oneself, even though it is also one of the hardest things.

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posted September 03, 2013 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samo717     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey everyone, I went through a few pretty dark years of suicidal thoughts/tendencies and have struggled with feeling depressed since about 14-15. Becoming my own person and having my own life has helped alleviate some, but not all of those emotions. Here are some of the aspects in my chart that I think may relate.

Jupiter in leo exactly conj. Asc. exactly squares pluto in Scorpio
Mercury leo square pluto (orb 3 degrees)
Pluto in the 4th? Definitely some family wounds
Sun conjunct chiron both in cancer in the 12th house (5 degrees)
Chiron opposite saturn (4 degrees)
Moon square uranus (1 degree)
Moon square neptune (5 degrees)
Neptune sextiles pluto (2 degrees)
Mars and venus inconjunct saturn (3/1 degrees)


As a cancer, having pluto in my 4th is really tough. Childhood memories are a deep place to go to, emotionally. I have intense and instant reactions about things from my past that have made me out a guard up.
I think the aspects with my moon are a definite sign of some kind of mental/emotional imbalance. I also have an incredibly hard time seeing reality as it is. 12th house sun- was emotionally neglected for most of my childhood. I like to be alone all of the time, and even in social situations I feel lonely. It's hard for me to put myself out there and be miss chatty cathy.

Pluto squaring my ascendant... ?? Not sure but I feel like I have a lot of Scorpio themes in my life.

I think I'll have to look back at transits during my depressive years. I remember saturn was coming up to my ascendant around 14-15.

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posted September 04, 2013 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaming111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kerosene:
[b]mercury does not even govern emotions, I don't see the connection.
any planet near the sun within 12 degrees is a combustion.


Mercury is the mind. The Sun burns up the mind when it is too close--5 degrees or less.

Watch it in people in your life and you will see.

The people who can't take any criticism without going wild have this.

It is an extreme kind of defensiveness imo

I see this as one of the prime factors in emotional and mental illness

That is one man's opinion.

[/B][/QUOTE]


My brother has this and he is the most calmest and high thinking person I have ever met. He reads up on all religions and is not a fanatic. He has a healthy respect but also an equally healthy dose of skepticism.

He thinks in ways I certainly have never heard other people around me think about. I guess what I'm trying to get as he is very broadminded. He's gone through ****** things but he is I guess someone I admire a lot.

We talked about suicide in regard to bullying and he said jokingly, "Are you kidding?! I would never commit suicide. Homicide would be the option." lol

I don't think he would commit suicide, but I read a story about a girl in med school that hid her depression...hmm...

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posted September 04, 2013 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaming111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by unforgiven_soul:
[b]I'm really interested to know how you can detect depression or suicide in a natal chart. Recently I had a conversation about it and talked about a friend I lost this way. His Sun and MC were in Scorpio. I've noticed that Scorpio MC's are self destructive... Any ideas about the aspects that could lead to this?

P.S. The 12th house must be also a strong indicator. He had there Saturn, Uranus and Neptune (conjunction with ASC).



The twelfth house can mean a lot of time spent in self undoing. Saturn/Uranus and Neptune all on the ascendant would be a heavy load to bear.
What kind of aspects does Saturn make besides the conjunction? What about the rest of the stellium?

[/B][/QUOTE]

What do you think about sun, mercury, and jupiter in the 12th in capricorn?

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posted September 04, 2013 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaming111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Zander916:
Newb question.

Could say.... later in life (progressed chart) have enough influence to make a person snap out of (or into) depression?

Plus, maybe mine was a transit or some sort?
EVERY SINGLE EPISODE going back was in the months of June, July, August. Essentially, reversed SAD. It does exist but highly rare. I guess I'm lucky.


There is a thing that singles and people under 40 tend to feel depressed in these months because they see other people as having lots going for them and leading really happy, "sunny" lives.

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Originally posted by SagittariusRising:
A group viewing of Miley Cyrus' MTV VMA performance.

lol....oh no you didn't.

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posted September 04, 2013 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
What do you think about sun, mercury, and jupiter in the 12th in capricorn?

I have them in Virgo and Libra, same house.
Capricorn is more serious, melancholy, but it can be like Libra in some ways, so I can relate to your placements. I also have sun in Virgo trine Saturn and that's a somewhat Capricornian influence. Capricorn covers my IC, sun and Saturn form sextiles, grand trines, and a kite like formation with the MC IC, since they are naturally opposites. I can relate to your 12th house placements. In Capricorn 12, you could feel they are harder to reach at times, that's how I am about my Libra 12 Mercury and Jupiter. I can access those calm parts of my psyche, too. Are you very calm and patient?
Do you like to have time to yourself, where you can indulge in various pass times and pursuits, hobbies or heavy reading?

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