posted September 05, 2013 12:11 PM            

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Originally posted by jjj:
Orange nailed it. And when they find the person who understands their nature and can offer them the same deep intimacy, they run as far as they can.... but still hovering around. They fear intimacy, yet crave it so much. The walls around them are so thick that it takes a real crusader to bring them down.

My natal Chiron opposes Pluto, and I feel like that as well.

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Wow, great description. Thanks!

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posted September 05, 2013 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Piscesmoongirl:
Oh man, i have chiron in the 8th house and i didn't realise it was such a bad placement... I relate to what Orange said except that i do want intimacy and i am not afraid to have it. But since i am very picky it hasn't happened to me yet (at least with someone i am really in love with) and if that were to happen, i doubt i would run scared.
My chiron also conjuncts my Sun and opposites my Uranus.

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How close a conjunction with your Sun. Was your father a source of great pain to you?

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posted September 05, 2013 12:57 PM            

I see that 8th house Chiron as almost a road block to where she wants to go so badly. It reminds me of those detour signs that you see on the streets and you have to go way out of your way to get back to the original road.

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posted September 05, 2013 01:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Piscesmoongirl:
Sun is separating 2 degrees from chiron. Well, my father was a sailor, he was away from home a long time and that made me sad as a kid.

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Chiron conj the Sun is usually pain from the father.
Do you feel it was great pain?

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posted September 05, 2013 01:12 PM            

This reminds me of Chiron in the 8th.

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posted September 05, 2013 01:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8UeeIAJ0a0

This reminds me of Chiron in the 8th.

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I couldn't watch it! LOL
That song depresses me.

posted September 06, 2013 03:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Wow Redshoes
That makes sense for a 6th house whose natural ruler is Virgo, which is the sign of cleanliness.

Was Pluto involved somehow? What else was going on with his 6th house.

Do you want to put up his chart?

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Yes he is a plutonian....would love to put up his chart, but dont know how...

posted September 06, 2013 05:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
Im guilty too lol. That is a beautiful aspect to have!!!!! I wish i had it!

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posted September 06, 2013 05:55 AM            

The one Im in love with has Aqua moon exactly opposed to Uranus loosely conjuncting Aqua Chiron in his 8th house (exactly conjunct my NN). Uhhhh... He has built not only walls, but a real castle around himself. It all stems from mother/childhood, but these walls have become thicker and higher throughout years. He is so afraid of intimacy that I wonder how he fathered his children haha. Cold, aloof, stubborn, lonely, eccentric, restless...

posted September 06, 2013 08:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I need to write an article about why imo people seem to misunderstand Chiron.

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Go for it

Put it up when you are done. Would love to read it.

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posted September 06, 2013 08:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Go for it

Put it up when you are done. Would love to read it.

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Anyway, in short, I think that in most people's charts who were born in the 20th century, Chiron was debilitated by its natal opposition to either Pluto, Uranus or Neptune, so its true healing nature was hampered and it manifested mostly as inflicting pain.

posted September 06, 2013 08:46 AM            

For me, and I am a humble student of Astrology and don't claim anything else, I learn by doing charts.

I ask people about their Chiron's House. I look at myself.

I come upon all my theories by doing charts and my theories can change, too, as I do more charts.

I am mutable and an earth void, so pretty cool

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posted September 06, 2013 09:04 AM            

Have you looked at the position of Chiron in your own chart? Like most people born in the latter part of the 20th century, it is probably opposed by Pluto, Uranus, or Neptune. Also check out Chiron's aspects in your clients' charts. You will probably find the same type of aspects.

posted September 06, 2013 09:22 AM            

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Ami, I am sure you're a darn good astrologer. You base your reading on research and that's really cool.

Have you looked at the position of Chiron in your own chart? Like most people born in the latter part of the 20th century, it is probably opposed by Pluto, Uranus, or Neptune. Also check out Chiron's aspects in your clients' charts. You will probably find the same type of aspects.

Those were generational aspects, so I think it's pretty fair to say that these generations have not had positive experiences of Chiron, which may have colored their understanding of it.

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Thank you. I am a humble student and add my own bent which is a masters in Psych and an intuitive.

We each add our own leanings to Astrology.

I base some of my Chiron POV on my own chart which has Chiron in the 4th. My mother's Sun/mercury combust in Aqua is an exact conjunction.

My life pain has been focused on this and this alone, really.

The rest of my chart is easy.

Then, I started probing the clients who came to me for professional chart readings.

I would see the same pattern. The Chiron seemed to be the focal point of pain, by house.

So, I started picking people's brains on here and in my many study groups.

The problem with picking brains is that some people are in denial and then you have that issue to deal with but most people who pay money for charts are not in denial or want to come out of it.

It is hard to discern, as I am sure you can appreciate, Belage

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posted September 06, 2013 12:23 PM            

In your personal chart, with Chiron in the 4th, I would be interested to know, do you have Pluto or Uranus opposing it or Neptune squaring it or something like that?

posted September 06, 2013 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
Chrion is trine my Pluto so would this soften it? It's opp the other 3 outed though?

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posted September 06, 2013 02:34 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
[b]Chrion is trine my Pluto so would this soften it? It's opp the other 3 outed though?

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posted September 06, 2013 03:09 PM            

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I see what you mean, Ami.

In your personal chart, with Chiron in the 4th, I would be interested to know, do you have Pluto or Uranus opposing it or Neptune squaring it or something like that?

My question is, what are the natal aspects made to Chiron, besides it being in the 4th house, if you don't mind sharing that info. It's okay if you don't want to.

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That is cool, Belage. It takes someone else to point your own chart out to you.

Karka pointed this out to me.

I have an Unaspected Venus in the 9th House in Gemini. It trines Chiron in the 4th house. This makes a Grand Trine to my ASC.

I am not sure if ASC are counted in actual Grand Trines but she told me that I would take my intellect and love( 9th house Gemini venus) and combine it with my childhood pain( 4th house Chiron) and bring it to the world( the ASC)

That is what I do on my website

God has a plan for each of us and the chart will reveal it.

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posted September 06, 2013 03:12 PM            

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For some reason (probably my Aqua NN) I have attracted Aqua moon men all my life and they all have had problems with intimacy. These relationships either remained platonic or were very painful.

The one Im in love with has Aqua moon exactly opposed to Uranus loosely conjuncting Aqua Chiron in his 8th house (exactly conjunct my NN). Uhhhh... He has built not only walls, but a real castle around himself. It all stems from mother/childhood, but these walls have become thicker and higher throughout years. He is so afraid of intimacy that I wonder how he fathered his children haha. Cold, aloof, stubborn, lonely, eccentric, restless...

My Aries Chiron is on my 11th house cusp and aspects nearly all my personal planets and Im wondering that maybe I am similar, otherwise I would no attract these people.
For the whole year he has "danced" around me, not daring to approach, but wanting to approach. We have tons of Chiron aspects, including Venus-Chrion DW. He is so afraid yet attracted by the energy that he behaves like nuts (the avoiding dance). We touch each other occasionally when we talk and that heals.
His 8th house Aqua Chrion conjuncting my NN can be resumed: he is too aquarian (aloof) and I need to be more aquarian (sociable). So we heal each other, but in a hard way.

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Wow, that is powerful. I had a relationship with this and I would run if I saw it myself due to how very painful it was, but one does learn.

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posted September 06, 2013 03:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

That is cool, Belage. It takes someone else to point your own chart out to you.

Karka pointed this out to me.

I have an Unaspected Venus in the 9th House in Gemini. It trines Chiron in the 4th house. This makes a Grand Trine to my ASC.

I am not sure if ASC are counted in actual Grand Trines but she told me that I would take my intellect and love( 9th house Gemini venus) and combine it with my childhood pain( 4th house Chiron) and bring it to the world( the ASC)

That is what I do on my website

God has a plan for each of us and the chart will reveal it.

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That is a very interesting Chiron combo you have. I think Karka gave you good insight.

I would also add that your aspect combo translates into you taking your love of 2 religions (Christianity and Judaism) as exemplified by dualistic Gemini Venus in 9th house and use your Chiron Pain at as a stepping stone from the bottom of your chart to present a wise, compassionate and healing persona to the world, your ASC.

Also since you have Gemini in 9th house, I surmise that you have 10th house of career in Cancer. If I am correct, Cancer's natural house is the 4th house where your Chiron resides, so I would deduct that these two houses are influenced by your natal Chiron placement.