posted September 15, 2013 12:10 PM            

Last year, I had a terrible TERRIBLE relationship with someone who had my mars square her pluto. Well, its not even a relationship but pure obsession. It end up costing me my job. It was draining experience, and that obsession and unrequited love led to complete depression.

Well, lately, an irresistible feeling has developed with someone. This time both my Sun and Venus square her pluto. And it's a double whammy too, as my Pluto inconjunct her Venus. I'm talking about really close orbs like 1 degree or less both ways.

And, I have to say, Pluto contacts are really scary. If the first mars-pluto contact was about sexual fantasies and obsession. This Sun/Venus to pluto contacts are just life-sucking disastrous obsession. This woman is in my head 24/7.

I've heard that pluto contacts are karmic. I was hoping if someone can shed some light on this. Also your experience. I've read all the topics regarding venus/pluto contacts in Lindaland. I'm hoping to hear some more latest developments.

posted September 16, 2013 02:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Milkyshutter:
I've realized my vulnerability comes from Plutonian contacts. My natal chart has Pluto in the 7th house with an hard aspect to my moon which is in the 1st which conjuncts my ascendant.

Last year, I had a terrible TERRIBLE relationship with someone who had my mars square her pluto. Well, its not even a relationship but pure obsession. It end up costing me my job. It was draining experience, and that obsession and unrequited love led to complete depression.

Well, lately, an irresistible feeling has developed with someone. This time both my Sun and Venus square her pluto. And it's a double whammy too, as my Pluto inconjunct her Venus. I'm talking about really close orbs like 1 degree or less both ways.

And, I have to say, Pluto contacts are really scary. If the first mars-pluto contact was about sexual fantasies and obsession. This Sun/Venus to pluto contacts are just life-sucking disastrous obsession. This woman is in my head 24/7.

I've heard that pluto contacts are karmic. I was hoping if someone can shed some light on this. Also your experience. I've read all the topics regarding venus/pluto contacts in Lindaland. I'm hoping to hear some more latest developments.

Did any of you in this relationship tamed this beastly feelings? Where does this kinda thing lead to?

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It's the pluto person who has the responsibility for the outcome on this. Cause it's usually the pluto person who has the upper hand in somehow. And it is because it is karmic in some way, the pluto person has the ability to completely read the other, and then they can also sense this deep mutual passion. Afterwards they can kinda determine what to do with this passion, would they want to destroy the other or make them grow?

My ex's sun squared my pluto so that makes me the pluto person. And there was a deep passion between us in the beginning and it felt perfectly satisfactory, and was very romantic and up-lifting, but after some time I found out that he was a completely other person that I thought and I began to resist the pluto powers for transformation. Cause I just didn't wanted a relationship like that, and at the same time he was being very jealous, which triggered my own jealousy and then it was just like a war between us from there.

And based on my experiences from that relationship I will totally avoid any major pluto contacts from now on. Our synastry chart was really good, but we also had mercury-square-neptune which could have been the one who created all the illusions from the beginning.
So it really takes a great synastry chart to make up for just 1 bad pluto aspect.
But in the end it's usually the pluto persons responsibility to make it great and transforming or destroy everything you had together...

posted September 16, 2013 03:16 AM            

The best way to address the issues that concern you is to look at your total colorvision Synastry Aspecting chart. In these charts, since your concern is P, your objective is to look for balance within the unit. By looking for favorable aspect workarounds with the M, VE, JP and, NP in either direction of the Synastry Chart aspects. The more of these aspects you have, the greater your potential for a meaningful unit.

There may be an easier way to read and understand complicated Synastry pie chart aspects. Pie chart aspects can also be produced onto a basic Synastry Aspect Chart, a color coded chart. Review the sample chart at your leisure. It may help you gain even more insight than you currently have.
http://risingpeople.wix.com/synastry-aspecting

http://risingpeople.wix.com/synastry-aspecting#!in-the-closet-astro-tools/c1s43

Once you have it loaded, your aspects will be in the following formation. You can then apply some questions.

Here is an example:

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/008126.html

posted September 16, 2013 06:26 AM            

I have the capacity of scaring the living crap out of people with my intensity, especially people with lots of Air in them. These have been the most tumultuous relationships with long and short breaks, arguments, betrayal and love and obsession but they have also proven to be lasting through all of that.

posted September 16, 2013 08:17 AM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
It's the pluto person who has the responsibility for the outcome on this. Cause it's usually the pluto person who has the upper hand in somehow. And it is because it is karmic in some way, the pluto person has the ability to completely read the other, and then they can also sense this deep mutual passion. Afterwards they can kinda determine what to do with this passion, would they want to destroy the other or make them grow?

My ex's sun squared my pluto so that makes me the pluto person. And there was a deep passion between us in the beginning and it felt perfectly satisfactory, and was very romantic and up-lifting, but after some time I found out that he was a completely other person that I thought and I began to resist the pluto powers for transformation. Cause I just didn't wanted a relationship like that, and at the same time he was being very jealous, which triggered my own jealousy and then it was just like a war between us from there.

And based on my experiences from that relationship I will totally avoid any major pluto contacts from now on. Our synastry chart was really good, but we also had mercury-square-neptune which could have been the one who created all the illusions from the beginning.
So it really takes a great synastry chart to make up for just 1 bad pluto aspect.
But in the end it's usually the pluto persons responsibility to make it great and transforming or destroy everything you had together...

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posted September 16, 2013 08:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Emily033:
IME Mars square Pluto is not good in synastry. Obsession, stalkers, Dangerous fights, vendettas, revenge. When I see this now, I run for the hills!

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posted September 16, 2013 08:48 AM            

I¡¯m posting the chart for those of you who are interested. I¡¯m not asking for chart interpretation, but I do want to ask one question. Is this karmic? That¡¯s the only question I want to ask. But I guess every relationship is karmic, but what I meant is that¡¦Do I have a debt kinda karmic, if you will.

Anyway, for those of you who are/will deal with the Plutonian aspect, maybe I can share some of my thoughts.

The chart orbs are reduced to 75%, to get rid of some loose aspects.
In this chart, the inner wheel is my crush. She is extremely Piscean, as her sun has very strong square to her Neptune, and exact inconjunct with her Pluto. Another noticeable natal aspect that she has is that her moon in the first house has very strong square to exalted Saturn which is conjunct to her fallen Jupiter.
Now, applying the outer wheel which is mine, the most interesting aspects are this. The orbs are 0-1.5 at most. All my outer planets, Uranus/Neptune/Pluto has a very tight aspect to her unaspected Venus. I find this utterly fascinating how this can happen. My Sun/Venus has also tight orb with her Sun and Pluto (0.5degree).
My Jupiter falls under her first and aspects with her Mars/Neptune/Mercury. These are pretty tight aspects as well. Also, we both have IC contacts. Her moon conjuncts my IC and my Saturn conjuncts her IC.

posted September 16, 2013 09:32 AM            

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Originally posted by slowpoke:
Your natal planet aspects may be contributing to some of your concerns about Synastry relationships.

The best way to address the issues that concern you is to look at your total colorvision Synastry Aspecting chart. In these charts, since your concern is P, your objective is to look for balance within the unit. By looking for favorable aspect workarounds with the M, VE, JP and, NP in either direction of the Synastry Chart aspects. The more of these aspects you have, the greater your potential for a meaningful unit.

There may be an easier way to read and understand complicated Synastry pie chart aspects. Pie chart aspects can also be produced onto a basic Synastry Aspect Chart, a color coded chart. Review the sample chart at your leisure. It may help you gain even more insight than you currently have.
http://risingpeople.wix.com/synastry-aspecting

http://risingpeople.wix.com/synastry-aspecting#!in-the-closet-astro-tools/c1s43

Once you have it loaded, your aspects will be in the following formation. You can then apply some questions.

Here is an example:

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/008126.html

Slowpoke

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posted September 16, 2013 01:44 PM            

I think pluto is worse if its one sided in synastry, the person is obsessed with you, but you really are not and you just feel really angry and annoyed with the person for being obsessed with you. If it's from both sides you can't get enough of eachother but too much manipulation from both sides i think.

posted September 16, 2013 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Emily033:
[B]IME Mars square Pluto is not good in synastry. Obsession, stalkers, Dangerous fights, vendettas, revenge. When I see this now, I run for the hills!

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posted September 16, 2013 04:29 PM            

In SYNASTRY my boyfriend and i have:

Sun square pluto
Pluto trine sun
Pluto conjunct uranus
Mars square pluto
Moon trine pluto
Uranus sextile pluto
Lillith square pluto
Asc sextile pluto
Pluto trine saturn

COMPOSITE

Venus trine pluto
Neptune sextile pluto
Asc sextile pluto

posted September 16, 2013 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Enigma9:
how bout sun sq pluto synastry amd moon trine pluto in composite?

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I have sun square pluto. Are you the sun?

There could be power struggles. And obsession.

I have moon trine pluto in synastry. Very deep bond. Sometimes telephathy. Not sure how it plays out in the composite though.

posted September 16, 2013 04:35 PM            

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Originally posted by lisalisa:
Is the mars square pluto only felt by the mars person or both? Who feels the obsession the most?

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posted September 16, 2013 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
I had alot of pluto synastry with a Scorpio (he had mars, mercury, pluto,sun (all in scorpio) in the 11th house, which the ruler was also scorpio) He has afflicted pluto/saturn/mars/neptune in the natal. I generally felt he wanted to actually kill me (no joke) It was a passion like no other but even i had thoughts of killing (which is not like me at all) it's all really painful when you break up because you cannot stop thinking about him/her. Pluto is like bad drugs, it fills your head with suspicions and makes you act out of character. Even after you break up, there could be some revenge plotting through deception and backstabbing, they can still pretend to be your friend but behind your back they are spreading rumours and lies and turning people against you ect, pluto is one scary mofo.

I think pluto is worse if its one sided in synastry, the person is obsessed with you, but you really are not and you just feel really angry and annoyed with the person for being obsessed with you. If it's from both sides you can't get enough of eachother but too much manipulation from both sides i think.

Pluto definately isn't boring synastry anyway, it will always be interesting, but think twice, think is that person a good person for you. I still feel the scorpio has made a voodoo doll of me and is slowly going to put pins in it.

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Oh this sounds so familiar -.-
I don't know if my ex is going around and wants revenge, or tries to spread some bad rumours, but I wouldn't be surprised cause he did that with his other exes...when I found out about the way he treated his other exes, I knew he would probably do the same with me lol

I'm not sure but it sounds logical that it would be the pluto person who would be obsessed, but I think it's more likely that it's the pluto person who has the control, so it's the sun person who gets obsessed with the plutonian person and their sexual powers...I was the pluto person with my ex and he really adored me a lot and spoiled me all the time to the extent that it was almost too much(but I liked it lol)
He could actually show up by random at my home sometimes, and wanted to get in and I thought it was a bit strange....
When he got even more possessive I ended it, but he doesn't seem like he is too sad about it lol, maybe he is deep down, but I think he have realized it wasn't a great match... even though our relationship was a bit "dangerous" I actually enjoyed the thrill a little too much, and I still miss him and think about him, but I'm glad it's over!

posted September 16, 2013 05:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
I have sun square pluto. Are you the sun?

There could be power struggles. And obsession.

I have moon trine pluto in synastry. Very deep bond. Sometimes telephathy. Not sure how it plays out in the composite though.

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