posted December 01, 2018 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Maybe if you feel there's something amazing about your Draco. I've always been rather meh about mine.

1 Gemini Sun, with an early Cancer Moon (OOB, no less) and a huge stellium there - Mars, Uranus, Valentine, Lust? Perhaps I've 'adapted' very differently, but that's not me.

I used to be all 'ooh, Draco!' when I was younger, but now I've come back around to seeing it's more of a perk, or a verification of other forces at work.

Like my Aries Venus conjunct my costar's BML, Moon, and Eros. Yeah, okay. That jives. Karma-Destinn on his Valentine? Sure.

Natally (Draconically), it's interesting my Pluto is OOB, and instead of rising with my Ascendant, Venus is parallel. Valentine is also parallel my Sun. That's interesting, as I noticed that natally for my costar. I'm not sure if I have that 'vibe', though.

I'll say 50/50 at this point; hit and miss. Some good hits, but several misses.

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The aspects are the same between tropic and draco, what changes is the signs.

I agree though I feel the tropic fits more.

In your case is interesting you have Moon conjunct Uranus and Mars stellium and you are asexual, that fits really well actually. I have noticed Uranus makes Mars act differently, like uranus rebels against what mars typically wants and is into, also I feel uranus/mars makes it so your desire nature is not consistent and unpredictable. Then you have mentioned you are very emotionally detached and said you have schizoid personality disorder if I remember correctly which fits that tight Moon conjunct Uranus, again uranus rebels the principles of the planet it touches, Uranus doesn't want your moon to feel things deeply and makes you detached which reinforces the asexual tendencies even further since emotions heightened/nourish desire. And this is all in spite of you having moon in scorpio in tropic and moon in cancer in draco, that is how powerful aspects are and Uranus can be in changing the expression of placements.

"Schizoid personality disorder is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of interest in social relationships, a tendency towards a solitary or sheltered lifestyle, secretiveness, emotional coldness, detachment, and apathy."

posted December 01, 2018 06:23 PM            

Western? Yes. That's me. Sidereal? That's me too. Draconic? Definitely me. As I studied astrology, I found that I related to all of them so I believe the reason for this is all the charts are equally accurate and all of them are part of who a person is.

posted December 01, 2018 07:08 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
The aspects are the same between tropic and draco, what changes is the signs.

I agree though I feel the tropic fits more.

In your case is interesting you have Moon conjunct Uranus and Mars stellium and you are asexual, that fits really well actually. I have noticed Uranus makes Mars act differently, like uranus rebels against what mars typically wants and is into, also I feel uranus/mars makes it so your desire nature is not consistent and unpredictable. Then you have mentioned you are very emotionally detached and said you have schizoid personality disorder if I remember correctly which fits that tight Moon conjunct Uranus, again uranus rebels the principles of the planet it touches, Uranus doesn't want your moon to feel things deeply and makes you detached which reinforces the asexual tendencies even further since emotions heightened/nourish desire. And this is all in spite of you having moon in scorpio in tropic and moon in cancer in draco, that is how powerful aspects are and Uranus can be in changing the expression of placements.

"Schizoid personality disorder is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of interest in social relationships, a tendency towards a solitary or sheltered lifestyle, secretiveness, emotional coldness, detachment, and apathy."

Fascinating to finally see how your own claims about yourself manifest in your natal chart.

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I don’t agree with what you said about moon conjunct uranus. I have that aspect and I want to feel deeply. I am in touch with my emotions so I don’t relate to that idea that we don’t want to feel anything. I fear not being able to be in touch with my and others emotions. I think it’s important.

posted December 02, 2018 06:07 AM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
It’s basically just the same as your natal chart but just opposite signs. Most of my chart is the same, but I don’t relate at all to being a Virgo and Leo stellium. Virgo? No way Im the opposite of Virgos personality... Leo moon and rising? No way! So wrong

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Hi there!

The draconic signs are actually not the same as your natal but opposite.. that is just for you and other people whose north nodes are around libra/virgo.

For me for example, with my early capricorn north node, most planets are 3 signs ahead (i.e. taurus sun -> leo sun, virgo moon -> sag moon). People who have their north node in aries, on the other hand, usually keep the planets in their original signs.

I have watched a video on draconic astrology and how some people say they can relate (or it fits even better than their natal) while others say they can't relate at all. That's supposed to be natural since the draconic chart is supposed to be your raw untouched soul self (who you were BEFORE you were born into this world and had experience on this earth shape you).

Here's something else I found:

"The Draconic chart is best understood in comparison to the natal chart, as it interacts as two parts of your being; active and unconscious (Though Draconic astrology acts on a much deeper level than the subconscious persona chart characteristics of each planet)
Conjunction and Opposition aspects and where they fall when the two charts are compared are important. Through Draconic charts we can discover that those closest to us can be acutely aware of our soul’s purpose. (Amplifying the weight of advice coming from those closest to us. They may be more aware of what our soul and true selves need much more than we are consciously aware of.)
Some identify heavily with their Draconic aspects, while others don’t, showing us who is more in touch with their spiritual side and who isn’t. In the many layers of the Horoscope and personality, Draconic may represent the inner most layer, the one that shines through when everything else is peeled away.

When you were born, you were your Draconic self. Your spiritual self, before the world and your Natal Chart shaped you to be who you are today. What you go through as a person decides how in touch you are with your Draconic chart, or how far you drift from it. Life may have stripped you of it, and made you fully your Natal self, or it may have driven you back to your soul’s spiritual values, and carved you into a more rounded person, in touch with your true self.
Both your Draconic and your Natal are truly you, as we are all a combination of things, layers upon layers and more than one person. A Draconic chart, especially in comparison with your Natal chart can help you find who you truly are."

Your draconic/natal comparison would have a lot of oppositions, so maybe that's why you do not relate to your draconic self (because it is, in a way, the exact opposite of who you are consciously in this world).

All the best

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DRACONIC SOUL SELF

LEO Sun + Venus
SAG Moon + Jupiter + Psyche
ARI ASC + Neptune/Uranus

CAN - Mercury + Mars
SCO - Chiron

posted December 02, 2018 06:22 AM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
It’s basically just the same as your natal chart but just opposite signs. Most of my chart is the same, but I don’t relate at all to being a Virgo and Leo stellium. Virgo? No way Im the opposite of Virgos personality... Leo moon and rising? No way! So wrong

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Oh BTW, some people say that when you are a child you are closer to your draconic chart (since environment + experiences haven't shaped you as much yet.

Idk but would you say that when you were a kid you were maybe more like your draconic chart or would you say you have always been more like your natal?

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DRACONIC SOUL SELF

LEO Sun + Venus
SAG Moon + Jupiter + Psyche
ARI ASC + Neptune/Uranus

CAN - Mercury + Mars
SCO - Chiron

posted December 02, 2018 07:18 AM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
It’s basically just the same as your natal chart but just opposite signs. Most of my chart is the same, but I don’t relate at all to being a Virgo and Leo stellium. Virgo? No way Im the opposite of Virgos personality... Leo moon and rising? No way! So wrong

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depends on your chart mine is basically just my sidereal

sidereal: https://imgur.com/a/rP4FuYe
draconic: https://imgur.com/a/ZZ3884R

posted December 03, 2018 01:26 PM            

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Originally posted by ithinkimightbewrong:
mine doesn't change much?

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Then your moon node is in Aries or late Pisces ..!that means your „current self“ respectively your natal chart is the true you, your deepest soul self and you are already (becoming) who you are meant to be

Meaning your task in life is to get to know yourself thoroughly

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posted December 03, 2018 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
I don’t agree with what you said about moon conjunct uranus. I have that aspect and I want to feel deeply. I am in touch with my emotions so I don’t relate to that idea that we don’t want to feel anything. I fear not being able to be in touch with my and others emotions. I think it’s important.

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Well its all in a spectrum, in her case is more pronounced because independent mars is in there too afflicting her moon and her moon falls in the intellectual 3rd house but you have mentioned you have a hard time connecting with others and tend to isolate and do your own thing, but yes you have the desire to be more social but are shy and this makes it hard (moon in aquarius= is independent but likes to socialize, Moon in the 12th= likes to isolate but feelings are important and is sensitive even though they have an instinct to hide feelings and more difficulty perhaps understanding their subconscious fears and sorting this out leading to anxiety). You have your moon in the 12th (a water house), she has it in the 3rd house (an intellectual house making her more detached even though her moon is in scorpio, making her good at been objective about herself psychologically, is part of the reason why she is a therapist and gravitated to psychology as a career, she likes thinking about psychology and psychoanalyzing things).

My mercury is in virgo but falls in the 9th, I feel mercury in the 9th fits me more than mercury in virgo. The house placements and aspects I feel dominates over the sign.

So in a nutshell you two have different house placements and she has mars in her moon too and this makes a difference. Also with behaviors like the ones we are discussing we are always using a spectrum, some people have these tendencies in a more mild way, others moderate and others in a very pronounced way but the tendency is THERE.

posted December 04, 2018 06:37 AM            

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Originally posted by bumblebee:
In my case both speak the same with different symbols:

trop. asc leo - draconic leo sun
trop. Saturn conjunct asc - draconic Capricorn asc

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Funnily for me it is similar (with equal houses)

Natal Sun in 5th - draconic Leo Sun
Natal moon on 9th - draconic Sagittarius moon
Natal mercury in 4th - draconic cancer mercury
Natal venus in 5th/4th - draconic Leo Venus
Natal Pluto in 11th - draconic Aquarius Pluto
Natal Uranus/ Neptune in 1st - draconic Aries Uranus/ Neptune
Natal Saturn squ. sun (TAU 21 degrees) - draconic Saturn on TAU 20

I‘ve seen a few people with similar connections between natal and draconic

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posted August 15, 2021 11:11 AM            

I remain an Air ASC and Earth Moon, my Sun moves into Air but still is Venus ruled. In my natal chart Venus and Mercury are both in domicile. In draco they are in mutual reception. I think it highlights the importance of Libra, Mercury and Air in my personality even though my natal has a lot of Taurus and Earth.