posted November 19, 2013 05:40 PM            

Uh... pain? hahaha.

Very sensitive stuff.

posted November 19, 2013 05:47 PM            

I still don't know who gets hurt "more" in a Chiron/planet scenario, to be honest.

posted December 09, 2015 03:06 PM            

When Chiron is prominent in a synastry, particularly if it makes conjunctions to relationship planets or hits an angle, we are drawn into the relationship because we sense we are separated from the divine world and we have a strong instinct to heal the rift. We sense that something is missing in our lives, and we want it back, now. This is true to some extent of all relationships—we sense the divine through ‘other.’ But only Chiron contacts whisper that elusive promise of spiritual completion. We may not recognize Chiron’s pull, at first, as a desire to heal an inner rift, but we sense that this particular relationship is the only thing that can make us feel whole again, just in the place where we feel most empty, rejected and forlorn. This is very seductive. The other person promises to become the vehicle for all the transforming powers of the universe, our own personal conduit between the earth and the stars and back again. This person will deliver the goods that we didn’t think we would/could ever get. It’s not the illusion of spiritual melding that Neptune implies, or Uranus’s promise of perpetual excitement. The initial impetus with Chiron contacts is deliverance: this person appeared in my life specifically to take me where I need to go. The implied thought being: ‘and I don’t have to be hungry, inadequate or rejected anymore. This relationship is the answer. The Struggle Bus stops here.’

Chiron contacts are powerful and passionate at first, with the combined promise of innate hungers fulfilled and innate flaws mended. There is also a physical, earthy element to Chiron that taps into his animal nature, and Chiron contacts can be highly sexual. Like any planet or asteroid in the chart, Chiron has his good and his bad side, and Chiron contacts indicate that a great deal of healing can be achieved. Unfortunately, the process involves hitting all the most sensitive, painful buttons whilst trying not to lose love for one another. Chiron can be a real test of the depth of feeling between two people, because the hurt, usually, is inadvertent. They say, “ I’m not so much targeting you in a Plutonian way as I am constantly, accidentally, shredding your heart, because I can’t help it.” The cruelties that are expressed in Chiron’s name can be shocking. Chiron contacts can be remarkably long-lived as well, depending on how much we have been taught to associate pain with love. For some of us, it will seem endless.

What begins as a promise of wholeness often ends with a ruthless tearing–real healing can occur only when whatever is festering inside can be cleansed. Only then can a wound be closed. Chiron contacts can feel and serve just like those procedures where an already painful and distorted wound is re-opened and probed, so that the poison can be burned out. Chiron-dominant relationships provide this soul-searing. Without this cleansing, we cannot have the kind of inner balance that translates to spiritual strength. Whether or not a relationship can be salvaged, with Chiron, we are given a choice: we can move through the world as the limping, distorted god-in-exile, or we can take our new found knowledge and negotiate our world with grace and strength, like the immortals we are.

There are some typical relationship patterns and signatures that are associated with Chiron:

Unequal and Inadequate

It is often the case with Chiron-dominant relationships that one partner is more conscious and spiritually aware than the other, and it is often this more aware partner who suffers the most from the partnership. Chiron, the wise healer and teacher, is always pushing us towards the awareness of what is best in us, and burning away what is holding us back. This may sound rather Plutonian, but Pluto has a different agenda. Pluto wants us to lose the ego in favor of a higher perspective. It wants us to stop grasping at small straws. Chiron relationships place us smack in the middle of our own limitations. The ‘burn’ of the Chiron-carrying partner can be humiliation, shame, and self-abnigation. “I am not, nor will I ever be, good enough.” We are so busy chanting this mantra that we cease to notice that the person we believe we are not good enough for is not fit to shine our shoes, spiritually speaking.

Unfortunately, with Chiron, the process is always painful, and unlike the pain of outer planet lessons, Chiron contacts hurt us exactly where we are the most sensitive. Much of this has to do with whatever else Chiron hits in our natal charts. If Chiron is opposite our Moon, for example, and we have issues about body image, Chiron may draw to us a partner who is undeniably cruel to us in this respect. If Chiron is square to Mercury, our intelligence may be questioned. The keyword, again, is transcendence: we are meant to get beyond this pain in order to learn the strength and compassion we have learned through and because of the pain. When we are involved in Chiron relationships, Chiron is often whispering the word ‘sacrifice’ in our ear, but we misunderstand his meaning. We are being asked not to sacrifice ourselves, but our attachment to the wound.

In a relationship of this type, typically the Chiron person will subjugate themselves over and over again. He or she will shake the pain off only to be hit by it again the next time around. They will make excuses for the cruelty, claiming the partner doesn’t realize the hurt they are causing. Many times, the wounding partner is blissfully unaware. Often, the Chiron person lives in a world of potential and possibility for the relationship. “If only” and “when.” The sad truth is that the Chiron person sees the full potential of the relationship. Chiron’s shamanic gift gives the ability to see beyond the mundane, through to other worlds and other levels of awareness. When Chiron is activated between charts, the planet person inadvertently fires up these special abilities, causing Chiron to see the planet person for what they may become, not what they are. Unfortunately, Chiron mistakes the potential for reality, and relates to the planet person on this level. This causes the planet person to begin to itch under the Chiron person’s scrutiny. Sadly, again, the Chiron person will not realize why.

The ‘planet’ person may feel inadequate, or in need of healing, vulnerable, when they were perfectly okay before the Chiron person came along. Mainly, they sense that they don’t measure up in some mysterious way. The Chiron person may declare desperate, undying love, and yet the planet person will only hear and feel the negativity, the lack. The more the Chiron person declares, the more the planet person will want to remove him or herself from the uncomfortable situation. The planet person will ultimately want to escape Chiron—imagine being scrutinized through the eyes of a god all the time. Often, the planet person reacts with fear, a fear of their own potential.

This may all sound very Neptunian, especially to those of us familiar with Neptune’s ways. But Neptune’s blindness to reality is a different breed than Chiron’s. Both are living in a world of potential. Yet with Chiron, our blindness comes from a desperation to heal, to be released from the pain and limitation of this world while still remaining within it. Its relationship is not based on self-deception, disillusion and betrayal. Neptune’s blindness is rooted in a need to be delivered, to escape reality and experience divinity directly. Neptune’s hunger for the divine turns the partner (temporarily, at least)into a living god. Chiron is desperate to assuage a long-felt inadequacy and exile from union with the universal, to heal the wounds of abandonment. It wants to belong. Neptune creates false gods, but Chiron’s love is rooted in a level of reality, and can be more painful for it.

posted December 09, 2015 03:19 PM            

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The keyword, again, is transcendence: we are meant to get beyond this pain in order to learn the strength and compassion we have learned through and because of the pain. When we are involved in Chiron relationships, Chiron is often whispering the word ‘sacrifice’ in our ear, but we misunderstand his meaning. We are being asked not to sacrifice ourselves, but our attachment to the wound.

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The initial impetus with Chiron contacts is deliverance: this person appeared in my life specifically to take me where I need to go. The implied thought being: ‘and I don’t have to be hungry, inadequate or rejected anymore. This relationship is the answer. The Struggle Bus stops here.’

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posted December 09, 2015 10:20 PM            

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Originally posted by niyasa:
Has anyone ever experienced a moon-chiron hard aspect in a synastry?
Or has anyone this aspect in the natal chart?
I'm experiencing it and it's like I can never get enough of him - I'm the moon. The aspect is very tight.
I've read a beautiful article about this theme, I'd like to share it with you: http://theinnerwheel.com/2012/10/19/the-endless-hunger-of-chiron-moon-part-one/

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I have Moon in my birth chart at 12CAP08 square Chiron 8ARI02. I am a healer, and was 'miraculously' healed with energy healing from someone hundreds of miles away who I never met in person. I do energy healing, and work with poetry and herbs.

However, Chiron is less a factor than Moon in Capricorn itself, and less a factor than Pluto 8° from my Asc, and less a factor than Merc-Venus-Mars opposite Neptune, and probably other things in my birth chart that affect how I related or even now relate to others.

As an astrologer, and someone very familiar with Chironic dynamics (given it is also parallel my Asc), I would not use terms like 'endless hunger' associated with these aspects, even hard ones.

I agree with much of the content given by Dawn Bodrogi in the article, but it is more subtle than that. Astrologers often over-dramatize single aspects or factors.

niyasa, the craving of 'can never get enough of him' is not particularly Lunar by itself, and certainly not attributable to Chiron. In omitting declinations people often mis-attribute astrological factors. That indicates Plutonian involvement in the relational dyamics. Way too much is attributed to asteroids in such experiences. Look instead to your own chart's declinations, and add them into every synastry you do.

The author is right to bring up that if we fail to find our own (Chiron) divinity/healing we will try to obtain in others that thing we've not acknowledged in ourselves. This is not a script written by astrology or synastry but by disconnection and dysfunction, which can be from some facets of modern living which have over-emphasized individual freedom in the west, thus altering natural inter-dependence with others to an 'I don't need you, Oh my God, I so need you!' dynamic. It is also simply part of our journey to experience whatever it takes to trust ourselves and know ourselves as part of the divine whole, even if it is suffering that pushes us to it.

However, if we use astrology only to describe such things, we are no better off. Instead, our birth charts can give us some good clues as to our own needs and lessons in development, before we take our gaping wounds into relationships/

Author, Dawn's statement in part 2 ...

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He simply threw himself into the fray with all good intentions. Chiron is where we throw ourselves into the fire without ever knowing what will come of it.

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... is over-stated. Chiron/Moon aspects do not make a person blind.

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This is particularly true of Chiron in relationships, where the discovery of our own immortality is a long and painful process, in spite of our best intent.

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... unnecessarily emphasizes suffering as if it were endemic to anything Chiron touches in synastry. Nonsense.

This is another example of over-attribution to asteroids. Asteroid aspects are half as important as planets (including Pluto) and I don't even need them to understand the essential dynamics of a relationship. One planet or its aspects in synastry cannot even tell the full story of any given relationship. How much less one asteroid!

Too many astrologers instead of finding healing and empowerment, are using astrology to describe themselves, their own experience, and projecting it into articles as binding interpretive fact for others. It is good to develop some radar for this, so that we are not unnecessarily hemming ourselves in or distracting ourselves from what we can claim ourselves.

If what we want is healing, then get it! If what we want is more limitations, then descriptions can certainly keep us there.

posted May 23, 2016 10:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Hon Solo:
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posted May 23, 2016 10:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
... unnecessarily emphasizes suffering as if it were endemic to anything Chiron touches in synastry. Nonsense.

This is another example of over-attribution to asteroids. Asteroid aspects are half as important as planets (including Pluto) and I don't even need them to understand the essential dynamics of a relationship. One planet or its aspects in synastry cannot even tell the full story of any given relationship. How much less one asteroid!

Too many astrologers instead of finding healing and empowerment, are using astrology to describe themselves, their own experience, and projecting it into articles as binding interpretive fact for others. It is good to develop some radar for this, so that we are not unnecessarily hemming ourselves in or distracting ourselves from what we can claim ourselves.

If what we want is healing, then get it! If what we want is more limitations, then descriptions can certainly keep us there.

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posted May 24, 2016 09:05 PM            

My partner has Venus conjunct Chiron natally and is often in excruciating pain in relationship... describes the same feeling, of searing painful blood..

posted May 25, 2016 04:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
My boyfriend and I have it with an orb of less than one degree. It is raw. I'm Chiron, and I feel so vulnerable with him that yes, it hurts. But our synastry and composite are great, so he uses his 'power' over me for good (if he's even aware of it). I wouldn't even call it power, because that makes it sound Plutonian. Maybe just an awareness of the vulnerability. He has a potential to destroy me but he wouldn't even be tempted to. That's what makes it so sweet, and heart-wrenching, at the same time. In fact, I've found myself thinking something like, 'he's breaking my heart,' on multiple occasions, and being confused because there was nothing associated with the breaking of hearts involved in any of those instances; quite the opposite.

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The 'breaking my heart' part resonates with me.

Anyway, I wonder: I originally thought that you as the Chiron would be able to use your power over him more so than he as the planet person over you, I mean, if there is a thought behind that Chiron is the "teacher" and the planet person the "student". I guess it's not so black-and-white, and yes, depending on other aspects it could go either way.