posted July 01, 2018 04:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
Oh Charlie can I ask you about this? I just found out by some astro analys tool that my male friend is highly Uranian. And I’m Plutonic. I mean how does it work for you guys?

Uranian people wants lots of space. While plutonic ones crave emotional closeness and commitment.
Now my Uranus is in contact with my: Sun, Merc, Moon, Mars, Chiron and Saturn. My Juno is Aqua. I GET that space thing. I doo need my space to.

Anyways, I feel like, whenever I have ”expectations” on my male friend (whom Inhave feelings for) he gets moody and gets a poker face and withdraws.

. How do you deal with that? Space? lots and lots of space? Would that help them feel connected to you again?

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Hi! First of all we need to clarify “space” and what that means for the individual! Some need physical space whilst others need space to explore their thoughts and ideas in a free manner without being ridiculed. My husband is the latter and he gets that freedom because that’s what I am about! I like to believe that just because one explores a THOUGHT or way of thinking, it won’t mean it’ll be executed. Some people fear this and with that comes the need to control.

Now to Pluto. Pluto takes some maturity to understand and accept and I’d be lying if it hasn’t taken me a good 25+ years to come to that point. I have set a few boundaries with my husband and I trust that he will at least have the decency to tell me prior, should he want to cross them. He understands this and therefore we have mutual trust.

Last thoughts: both my husband and I have difficult charts BUT, we do have stability in our Moons and Saturn to go along with them and it really (!) helps!!

Should add as a footnote that “pushing” ideas on a highly Uranian individual or being back-handedly manipulative with a Pluto individual will backfire all of the times! It’s better to accept the fact that someone that is Uranian is spending time with you because that is a choice they made and there shouldn’t really be any questions beyond that point. Excessive questions to prove their future intentions is no good idea..

posted July 01, 2018 05:45 PM            

Neptunian Plutonian and Uranian (in order) here.

I feel practically lost when it comes to carrier (Neptune conjuct DSC and opposit Sun in 12th H) Chart ruler is Moon in Pisces hohoho

Pluto square Venus, Mars and Jupiter, trine ASC extremely intense emotions and pain

I am bored of this world a long time ago.. I wish we were just floating souls without physical needs like sleep/food/toilet/periods etc.

posted July 01, 2018 05:48 PM            

What some folks are describing here are the challenges of evolving, developing the balanced qualities of Uranus, Neptune, Pluto. We are all doing that. However, some of us may have taken on more such challenges this time around with one of those planets aligned strongly with the Asc or MC of our charts. Outer planets are not necessarily innately difficult, but more subtle and advanced. It depends on how we use Venus or Jupiter development integrated to support Neptune, for example; or use Sun strength to support Mars or Pluto development. Edgar Cayce was known to be quite Uranian in ordinary terms, but he was part of a group born during Uranus square Pluto (Atlantis, power issues), so was not fully integrated with it. His planetary strengths were Sun, Venus, Saturn with the Moon quite low. He talked about Jupiter being emphasized with those who want to further evolve by being involved furthering group interests (which was evident by Jupiter being contra-parallel his correct Asc). Jupiter is the 'starter kit' for especially Uranus and Neptune, which are far more expanded energies than anything else. So if you want to further your development with those, think Jupiter, expansion, growth, generosity, involvement in social growth and movements.

I would like it if similar criteria used in traditional Indian astrology's rating system for planetary strengths could be applied to the outer three, so that we could begin to assess their place in each chart.

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posted July 02, 2018 12:07 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Hi! First of all we need to clarify “space” and what that means for the individual! Some need physical space whilst others need space to explore their thoughts and ideas in a free manner without being ridiculed. My husband is the latter and he gets that freedom because that’s what I am about! I like to believe that just because one explores a THOUGHT or way of thinking, it won’t mean it’ll be executed. Some people fear this and with that comes the need to control.

Now to Pluto. Pluto takes some maturity to understand and accept and I’d be lying if it hasn’t taken me a good 25+ years to come to that point. I have set a few boundaries with my husband and I trust that he will at least have the decency to tell me prior, should he want to cross them. He understands this and therefore we have mutual trust.

Last thoughts: both my husband and I have difficult charts BUT, we do have stability in our Moons and Saturn to go along with them and it really (!) helps!!

Should add as a footnote that “pushing” ideas on a highly Uranian individual or being back-handedly manipulative with a Pluto individual will backfire all of the times! It’s better to accept the fact that someone that is Uranian is spending time with you because that is a choice they made and there shouldn’t really be any questions beyond that point. Excessive questions to prove their future intentions is no good idea..

With a Pluto person it’s best to just slide off the wall and try to be as open as humanly possible (without bending over backwards).

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Thank you Charlie I think I understand how you mean. Its like that for me aswell as mar-moon-uranus individual. I need intellectual space, both to back off and be able to discern my thoughts and emotions in peace. But also yes as you said, be able to talk and express your thoughts without being judged.

This guy who is uranian seems to have both of those exemples you bring up. But he also has Leo sun, and although I did not understand it before, I see now he has a very sensetive ego. I believe being uranian also contributes to sensetive ego. For ex, even though he is super kind and social and nice, if he does something unkind or is dismissive, he would never apologize. But if the other person does act like nothing has happened, or atleast like she is sad about it but tryes hard to not show it (no manupulations) he will act super kind to make it up to you, be super attentive etc. He is saturnian as well.

While I (plutonic and lots of aries) and also an other guy friend (mercurial and saturnian) I have, we will apologize without hesitations directly, I do not have ego problems.

However, I do know this maybe is not something astrology can help me with but anyways, since I just now realised he is uranian I just now started to read up about uranian /aquarian male behavior, shoul maybe ask in a seperate thread.

But as said, when I started to try to get emotional connection, wanna know where we stand as friends, and IF he will be in my life for the forseable future, he started to shut down.

I did not ask all that directly god no! But yes I'm very plutonic and I got in what I tried to ask in indirect manners and phrases etc. In between lines, if you know how I mean. I'm not needy at all, I just wanna know where we stad. Because I wanna know, if I have to cut him out of my life, since as a plutonian, I do not want people that does not wanna go all in with friendship etc. I just can't. Either you are in or out. Because if its uncertainty I will get anxiety and I will feel very bad emotionally, its like torture, uncertainty. So I cut people out if that person is not sincere. And that is not good, all or nothing approach. I do this to my family too!

I read uranian people hates when others puts demands on them. He has a very strong saturn and is very reliable, so I thought he would understand me and try to reassure me. But he did not. He just seemed to freak out. He started to get moody, cold, and sometimes mean. Either he did not understand me. Or he was sad about how we are gonna part ways due to graduation so he wanted to push me away by being indirect. He also seemed to be jelous when I showed attention to our mutual male friend. I do not know if its because he wants my attention all to himself which he got before he started to act so cold, or just moodyness.

But also, I read uranians really craves plutonic energies. That deep emotions, never giving up on people if there is even a small hope etc. AND I read that uranians, when they start to feel too much emotions, they will get cold and mean and push you away. Maybe they wanna get space to get perspective?