posted December 10, 2013 10:52 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

put your info in to calculate your pillars then tell me what all the pillars underneath mean

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Those are the year cycles or something. (8x2 blocks at the bottom)
I think they're pretty much like Vedic Astrology's Dashas.

posted December 10, 2013 11:12 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Wait wait wait I just looked at the link YTA posted and it does say I am a metal rooster...I have also read my year is earth rooster. Not sure what this means.

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There are 10 heavenly stems and 12 earth branches form 60 groups. The element you often see is the element of the heavenly pillar. Each pillar rules 2 years, one Yin and one Yang.

But there is also another complicated calculation, which is based on how the energy transits and transforms between the two years. The result of this calculation is the element which also rules those two years, besides the ruling element of the heavenly pillar. The reasons behind this calculation have been the topic of debate and research for years, it is one of the most mystical parts of Chinese astrology.

posted December 10, 2013 11:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
My post deleted again, sorry

Okay
I get:

Year
Yin Wood <--- Look at this one for your element. (Wood Pig Year)
Pig
Yin Water

I'm a Wood Pig Year, so see how it says "Yin Wood"? That's your element. It says "Yin Water" at the bottom because that's the Pig's natural element.
So look at the top one.

Month
Yin Wood <--- (Wood Rooster Month)
Rooster
Yin Metal

Day
Yin Metal <--- (Metal Pig Day)
Pig
Yin Water

Hour
Yang Metal <--- (Metal Tiger Hour)
Tiger
Yang Wood

Also if the sign is a Yin sign, it will always say Yin. (Rooster, Pig, etc) If it's a Yang sign, it will always say Yang. (Tiger, Monkey, etc)

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posted December 10, 2013 11:17 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
There are 10 heavenly stems and 12 earth branches form 60 groups. The element you often see is the element of the heavenly pillar. Each pillar rules 2 years, one Yin and one Yang.

But there is also another complicated calculation, which is based on how the energy transits and transforms between the two years. The result of this calculation is the element which also rules those two years, besides the ruling element of the heavenly pillar. The reasons behind this calculation have been the topic of debate and research for years, it is one of the most mystical parts of Chinese astrology.

I was born in metal horse year, and my other ruling element is Earth (sand Earth to be exact).

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I'm really confused right now, lol.

So you're a Metal Horse Year, and your other element is Earth. (sand Earth to be exact)

posted December 10, 2013 11:18 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Thanks, Mercurial. What I meant were all those numbers with pillars underneath, not the four major ones on top. They are in increments of ten, 72, 62, 52, -----> to 2 with pillars under them. Not sure what those are, exactly. Is that kinda like progressions?

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posted December 10, 2013 11:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Omg I love rats.
Sand was a rat and i was like obsessed with him.

Monkeys and rats forveerrrrrrrr

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Sand was awesome. I'd consider we were good friends on the forum. never once had an argument and hed always defend me and come to my rescue haha any time i was arguing with someone else and hed call me rassy poo. aw

I remember the first time i joined the forum like 4 years ago, the only poster i noticed was sand and i thought "lmfao he's so hilarious! please love me ^__^ " and then he miraculously did yay. We had sun conjunct venus in composite. and good synastry, like playful/fun

posted December 10, 2013 11:56 PM            

In general, mountain top fire, kitchen fire and candle fire don’t do well with water or certain metal like sea metal. In some cases, such as thunder fire, they need water to express their potential (rain, storms and thunder).

posted December 11, 2013 12:02 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
mercurian intellect:

In general, mountain top fire, kitchen fire and candle fire don’t do well with water or certain metal like sea metal. In some cases, such as thunder fire, they need water to express their potential (rain, storms and thunder).

It is said that because mountain top fire is closer to the sky (heaven), it could mean that the native have opportunities to have great achievements and social. Do well with wood and fire. Say, if you were born in wood or fire hour or have strong fire/wood in the chart, or have a wife/business partner/parents.. who has strong fire/wood, your chances of success will likely be increased.

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Thanks, 12muddy

I was born in a Metal Hour though.
Also, I don't have any Fire besides being a Mountain-Top Fire.

posted December 11, 2013 12:23 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
There are 10 heavenly stems and 12 earth branches form 60 groups. The element you often see is the element of the heavenly pillar. Each pillar rules 2 years, one Yin and one Yang.

But there is also another complicated calculation, which is based on how the energy transits and transforms between the two years. The result of this calculation is the element which also rules those two years, besides the ruling element of the heavenly pillar. The reasons behind this calculation have been the topic of debate and research for years, it is one of the most mystical parts of Chinese astrology.

I was born in metal horse year, and my other ruling element is Earth (sand Earth to be exact).

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That's a lot of info, 12Muddy, these sound complicated with 60. I am still trying to wrap my head around it.

Thanks for helping

So, the element decides whether they are yin and yang and each one gets two years, the cycle repeats?

posted December 11, 2013 12:35 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
That's a lot of info, 12Muddy, these sound complicated with 60. I am still trying to wrap my head around it.

Thanks for helping

So, the element decides whether they are yin and yang and each one gets two years, the cycle repeats?

In your list it says my year is a "small area of earth" and the next is "jeweled metal." I am probably an earth rooster, not a metal one.

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I think they are two different sets of signs.
Because I'm a Wood Pig and my other element is a Mountain-Top Fire.

But I'm still a Wood Pig, that doesn't change. It's just an extra sign I believe.

posted December 11, 2013 12:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
What is sword metal all about...?

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Sword metal (or gold sword). Although it is said that fire and metal are incompatible, in the case of sword metal, if this person has strong fire or find a Fire partner (any kind of fire will do), chances are that their potentials will be boosted to the highest degree – “fire” + “metal” = “sword”. Don’t do well with wood.

The native can be headstrong and goal-oriented, sharp and quick (think sword in a battle). May have to go through a period of difficulties and challenges. Resilient.
Can become ruthless, tyrannical, or too stubborn.

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posted December 11, 2013 12:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
I think they are two different sets of signs.
Because I'm a Wood Pig and my other element is a Mountain-Top Fire.

But I'm still a Wood Pig, that doesn't change. It's just an extra sign I believe.

So were you ever able to figure out if you were a Metal or Earth Rooster?

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Now I'm completely lost again, well not completely. I am pretty sure I am definitely a "small piece of earth."

posted December 11, 2013 12:45 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Mercurian Intellect: If you're interested in chinese astrology, it can be good to consult a BaZi astrologer and a fengshui master. Fire is counted from the stars in your chart. Unfortunately I haven't found a link that generate free chinese birth chart with a complete set of stars.

Kerosene:

Sword metal (or gold sword). Although it is said that fire and metal are incompatible, in the case of sword metal, if this person has strong fire or find a Fire partner (any kind of fire will do), chances are that their potentials will be boosted to the highest degree – “fire” + “metal” = “sword”. Don’t do well with wood.

The native can be headstrong and goal-oriented, sharp and quick (think sword in a battle). May have to go through a period of difficulties and challenges. Resilient.
Can become ruthless, tyrannical, or too stubborn.

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Over the next 1, 2 days I'll gather articles of the general descriptions of each element and translated them. Hope people will find them interesting

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Okay, thank you very much 12muddy.

posted December 11, 2013 12:47 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Now I'm completely lost again, well not completely. I am pretty sure I am definitely a "small piece of earth."

I must be a metal rooster with a small piece of earth as my other element?

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You're a Metal Rooster Year.
But you're also a Small Piece of Earth. That's your other element.

Forget about the Earth Rooster because it just so happened that your other element was Earth. (Small piece of earth to be exact)

posted December 11, 2013 12:48 AM            

Maybe metal goes with fire?

My pillars are looking better than my western chart, lol.

The website YTA provided is a bit more detailed.

posted December 11, 2013 12:54 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Metal and earth sound like they would be compatible. What do you think, Mercurial?

Maybe metal goes with fire?

My pillars are looking better than my western chart, lol.

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I'm not sure about Earth and Metal. Maybe because Metal comes from the Earth.

Metal and Fire can go together to make the sword like Kerosene has, I guess, lol.

posted December 11, 2013 12:56 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

*edit*
The BaZi website calculated Rooster yin metal for the year.

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posted December 11, 2013 12:57 AM            

Like MI said, these two are interpreted together. If you’re an Metal rooster (metal here points to the element of your heavenly pillar), Small area of earth – now that’s the resulting element of when the energies transformed.

posted December 11, 2013 12:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
I'm not sure about Earth and Metal. Maybe because Metal comes from the Earth.

Metal and Fire can go together to make the sword like Kerosene has, I guess, lol.

Why do you say your Pillars are better than your Western Chart?

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posted December 11, 2013 12:59 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
SSS and MI: sorry I know it’s not clear. It is difficult to put things in western astrology terms, or even find English words that describe well. The essence of Chinese astrology is just kinda different.

Like MI said, these two are interpreted together. If you’re an Metal rooster (metal here points to the element of your heavenly pillar), Small area of earth – now that’s the resulting element of when the energies transformed.

But yeah, in your case it is quite good. Earth bears metal.

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posted December 11, 2013 01:00 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
SSS and MI: sorry I know it’s not clear. It is difficult to put things in western astrology terms, or even find English words that describe well. The essence of Chinese astrology is just kinda different.

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posted December 11, 2013 01:03 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
[b] I'm not sure about Earth and Metal. Maybe because Metal comes from the Earth.

Metal and Fire can go together to make the sword like Kerosene has, I guess, lol.

Why do you say your Pillars are better than your Western Chart?

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Oh okay.
Yeah, I see what you mean.
Well you do have more domicile in your Pillars. 2 out of 4, that's really great!