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Ellynlvx
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posted December 10, 2013 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, like I said, that Uranus Opposite the Moon with Mars Square would alarm me as well.

The Venus/Neptune Trine looked pretty sweet.

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posted December 10, 2013 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Canadiangirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, but there isn't a lot of positive venus contacts either. Its mostly neptune/pluto. I don't know if some connections would outweight the really bad ones. Its why I asked about this pluto opposite NN.

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posted December 10, 2013 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You guys didn't have that one.

Your Uranus/Vertex/North Node Conjunction is personal. That makes it more than a generational placement.

His North Node happens to hit you right there, especially on the Uranus/Vertex part.

They say that is Fated Meetings.

In the Sixth House, that is Health and Healing, day-to-day Service.

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posted December 10, 2013 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Canadiangirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh...I thought anonymidarkness said I did. Why are some aspects like pluto conjunct NN or SN harder to find online? Are they less common?

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posted December 10, 2013 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know. I have my favourtite books, and my WinStar, so I'm not really aware of what is or is not out there. I gave you a download for that Sakoian & Acker, it has that, but only in the Natal chart.

Sometimes it's hard to find, because it is an Axis, so it might be found as a Conjunction or an Opposition, depending on where they define it in that book.

What I mean is that you would probably find it under Pluto Conjunct the South Node. Rather than the Opposition.

You may have to look.

I have seen Venus Conjunct the South Node (Synastry) as something off in the timing.

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posted December 10, 2013 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Canadiangirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, I'll try that aspect. I'm still trying to figure out what's important/significant in the chart and what isn't. There are just so many strong and very bad synastry.

I'm guessing fated meetings can go either great or badly too.

Yeah, I heard that too about venus. I was just trying to figure out how the nature of pluto would work. It's more about obsession right?

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posted December 10, 2013 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of Course.

Pluto is Power. Transformation.

If you think of the Eye of an Eagle, the Penetration of the gaze, that is Scorpio. It can take you to the Heights, it can take you to the Depths; it all depends on the Direction you put this Potent Force to.

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posted December 10, 2013 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Canadiangirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ellynlvx:

His North Node happens to hit you right there, especially on the Uranus/Vertex part.
In the Sixth House, that is Health and Healing, day-to-day Service.

--I looked up the 6th house and its about uneven relationships. Would his NN mean he helps bring direction to my day to day life that's normal unpredictable? (uranus sitting there)

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posted December 10, 2013 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He has a Grand Trine on that spot.

You have a Sun Square. So, yes, possibly. It is Venus, Mars, Uranus Trining from one side and Pluto Trining from the other.

You also have Taurus/Scorpio Intercepted in those Houses.

With the Eclipses hitting that point, that sets off the Vertex as well.

I will make you a Thread. What work have I done for you?

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posted December 10, 2013 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Canadiangirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, I hate bothering you about all of this but it really confuses me. You did a natal chart for him and us.

I was told I can heal him and do the same for me but I wish I knew *how*.

I think I'm starting to understand the pluto aspect as he is on my mind. Pluto tends to be about obsession, possessiveness, intense feeling right?

I'm not possessive of him but we do bring up strong feelings (we argue)

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posted December 10, 2013 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I'll just give you everything I have on yours. I think all I could do on his is a one-way Synastry and a Heaven Knows What.

Pluto can be those, yes.

You have to understand that it is a generational Planet as a general rule. It only comes into focus when Angular, heavily aspected, etc.

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posted December 10, 2013 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Canadiangirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which planets are generational? How is pluto affected if its heavily affected? Can any planet be heavily affected?

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posted December 10, 2013 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Outers.

Concentric Rings expand as they go out from the Centre. Mercury, Venus, Mars are personal.

Jupiter and Saturn are sort of like the Parents.

Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are all pretty far out there, so a whole generation is born under one Sign.

Right now the last two are both moving faster than normal, so people are experiencing the Pluto Trine Pluto and Neptune Trine Neptune Transits at a much earlier age than is usual.

They are collectively the Higher Octaves of the personals. Mercury to Uranus, Venus to Neptune, Mars to Pluto.

Interesting to note that the current generation is formed of the Uranus Conjunct Neptune people, just as we usher in the Aquarian Age. That is, the Cusp between Neptune-Ruled Pisces, and Uranus-Ruled Aquarius.

I am of the former meeting, that of Uranus and Pluto. KInd of like Uranus was hanging out with his ol' buddy Pluto while we were all hatched, then went over to visit Neptune for a while as the next to-pass-the-torches-to were born. Of course the two points of focus, Neptune and Pluto have been in constant Sextile for an awfully long time now. Like they set up a meeting or something.

Must have been a Universal Vertex Thing.

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posted December 11, 2013 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Canadiangirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ellynlvx:
Right now the last two are both moving faster than normal.They are collectively the Higher Octaves of the personals. Mercury to Uranus, Venus to Neptune, Mars to Pluto.

--Why are they moving faster? Uranus is supposed to be more spiritual than venus. I can see how aggression is associated with pluto and mars.

I don't want to take over this thread.

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posted December 11, 2013 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://airandspace.si.edu/exhibitions/exploring-the-planets/online/pluto/pluto_orbit.html

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posted December 11, 2013 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Canadiangirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ellynlvx: http://airandspace.si.edu/exhibitions/exploring-the-planets/online/pluto/pluto_orbit.html]http://airandspace.si.edu/exhibitions/exploring-the-planets/online/pluto/pluto_orbit.html

--Thanks Ellynlvx for all the help.

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posted December 11, 2013 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're Welcome, CanadianGirl.

Here is the Thread I promised you:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/009432.html

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posted December 15, 2013 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HPDBlue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chiemi:
Woah, that is definitely a fated meeting o__o

The moment we met
I couldn't breathe for a minute, my heart stopped..and I felt like I was falling in space. I still feel that every time I see this person.

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posted December 16, 2013 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AimlessIvy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've had interaction with a couple where the male's Pluto made a partile opposition to the female's 1st house N.N.
They got married when transiting north node conjuncted the male's Pluto exactly and the female had her first nodal return.

I've read very negative things about this aspect and, in this case, that was borne out. They were both sent to prison for sexual offences against their children and they divorced whilst both were in prison; transiting NN was squaring their Pluto - NN opposition at the time...

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posted December 16, 2013 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Canadiangirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AimlessIvy:

I've read very negative things about this aspect and, in this case, that was borne out. They were both sent to prison for sexual offences against their children and they divorced whilst both were in prison;

--Wow, sounds like a really messed up couple to do that to their kids

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posted December 17, 2013 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AimlessIvy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Canadiangirl:
I absolutely agree! Having worked with some of the children, (and having accurate birth details for all but the father - I'm using a noontime chart for him), it seems that the Pluto-NN signature is one that permeates all the childrens' charts too.

The eldest daughter has her nodal axis on the parents’ Pluto-NN opposition and two of the other female daughters have their Mars conjunct the father’s Pluto and the mother’s SN. One of the daughters has her Ascendant on the father’s Pluto.

And, interestingly from my point of view, the mother, (who was abused by her own father), has her Mars in a tight T-square with her father’s nodal axis with his Pluto opposing her 1st house Chiron.

Re. the nodal influence(?), all the children without exception have heavily afflicted Moons…

I wonder if these aspects in synastry are generational, in that they are so intense that they can be seen in the charts of the children of the marriage and seem to have their roots in the charts of the grandparents: I guess that like many types of abuse, these things run down generations. This is the most extreme example of Pluto-NN synastry that I have come across and I am fascinated!

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I have this in my current relationship, which seems to be the most significant so far bc we have history. We met in our 20s had an intense fling that lasted only a couple months. Back then she was in a toxic relationship with an older woman but despite being really into me, she blew me off bc she felt like she “owed” the other person. That was their theme. I didn’t know back then. I was just really hurt. Hurt bc she pretended it was her ex, despite still being together with that woman. I also felt betrayed bc she dragged me into her infidelity scheme. That woman’s sun sign was Scorpio, so it’s very much possible they had a Sun/South Node conj . Also very binding.

Now in our mid-30s me and her are together again and inseparable. I forgave her long time ago. It all felt very fated back then. I feel like we’re starting over again with cleaner slates.

My Asc+Pluto conjunct her South Node+Mars (in H7)

Her Eros+Juno conj my South Node (H1) and her Lilith conj my North Node (H7)

It was my first same-sex relationship then and it’s my first same-sex relationship again, after having dated only men for an extended period of time (I’m bisexual)

She’s the only woman in my life I completely fell for, so much that I again quit men completely, to be with her and only her. She’s my person.

I think Pluto contacting the Nodes is reminiscent of great transformation, whatever that looks like in your case! Look at the houses involved.

In our case it’s both our relationship axis, which is flipped in our case (we were born the same year, so same sign in NN) My NN is in 7th house, her NN is in 1st house. So we each have something the other one needs. I’m a selfish person and I’m good at being alone.

She’s someone who looks very put together , but she has so many attachments to other ppl and often not to her benefit! Family members, “friends” etc.

I’m sometimes afraid that she’s being that way with me too, so I’m very conscious about giving her space and asking first what she wants to do.! It’s a conscious decision on my part, but every time I do this, I feel better.

She’s helping me to live in a partnership without getting too enmeshed in their dealings. And I’m helping her to become a stronger individual.

What happens with Pluto too, sadly, are power struggles. If your charts are otherwise good and compatible it won’t be that bad. But even with the best synastry, you’ll still feel it to some extent. Ppl who are emotionally mature handle this better.

Last but not least it’s a great aspect sexually, in a romantic relationship. It heightens the intimacy. So that’s the great payoff at the end of the day, when you drop your weapons and your guards.

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