posted December 20, 2013 08:49 PM            

I'm not sure who's more obsessed as my Pluto in turn squares his Venus :/

I honestly want to say he is, though. At least he was in the beginning, which fits with the ASC. He HAD to hang out with me, talk to me, touch me else I might disappear is kind of the way it seemed. And the one time I gave him the ultimatum of him stopping what he was doing or I left, he quickly decided to cease and desist because he couldn't stand the thought of me leaving.

Just my 2 cents

posted December 21, 2013 03:45 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
I believe the attraction would be both ways but because the ASC is such a sensitive point, my feeling is the angle person would feel it more..

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I was. Very obsessed.

"Meeting" him resulted in a total transformation of myself (of course I had to go to the "self-destruction"-phase before I could put myself together again).

posted December 21, 2013 05:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"Meeting" him resulted in a total transformation of myself (of course I had to go to the "self-destruction"-phase before I could put myself together again).

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Their Pluto parallel my ASC

posted December 21, 2013 05:50 AM            

His Pluto parallels my DESC: 0°27
his Pluto contraparallel my Mars: 0°11
his Pluto parallel my Saturn: 0°54
his Pluto contraparallel my Neptune: 0°36
his Pluto parallel my SN: 0°56
his Pluto parallel my Vertex: 0°41

Interestingly, my Pluto was/ is opposite his Mercury, making a T-square of his Mercury on my IC to my Venus-Pluto-square.
Oh and my Pluto quinkunx his ASC, which falls onto my CERES-Jupiter-conjunction, conjunct his Chiron and opposite hsi Pluto.

Speaking of parallels

posted December 21, 2013 07:07 AM            

ie. When you said Pluto of s.o. square your AC ..or it could be that pluto conjunct your IC or MC?? Or fall in your angular house (4th, 10th)?

Then you will see ..when pluto is in 10th , that person will transform you about your 10th belonging.. your reputation, fame, presentation to this world , etc..
Or else when in4th ... that person can awake your sub-conscious and transform your home.

I think I'm not assume that the pluto aspect muss involve only victim-predator relationship and I don't think it'd be an easy aspect either when it make a nice aspect with your personal planets because from what you said it touch your angle ...then it force you to change and it will transform you.

posted December 21, 2013 07:13 AM            

ie. When you said Pluto of s.o. square your AC ..or it could be that pluto conjunct your IC or MC?? Or fall in your angular house (4th, 10th)?

Then you will see ..when pluto is in 10th , that person will transform you about your 10th belonging.. your reputation, fame, presentation to this world , etc..
Or else when in4th ... that person can awake your sub-conscious and transform your home.

I think I'm not assume that the pluto aspect muss involve only victim-predator relationship and I don't think it'd be an easy aspect either when it make a nice aspect with your personal planets because from what you said it touch your angle ...then it force you to change and it will transform you.

posted December 21, 2013 08:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I was. Very obsessed.

"Meeting" him resulted in a total transformation of myself (of course I had to go to the "self-destruction"-phase before I could put myself together again).

His Pluto was squaring my ASC exact
It was also squaring my Mars, Neptune and nodal axis, and trine my Venus.
So it might be all of this.

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@Ceri: was this with Mr. Sagg? Ugh yep, been there with my guy. We have Pluto DW's all over the place but I noticed his Pluto does square my ASC by a wide 13. Now, normally I would say this is too wide of an orb to count, but given that it's 1. My ASC that's being aspected to his PLUTO, by a hard aspect....yeah, I'm totally obsessed...I admit it. It drives me nuts. But I'm sure he has a lot of it going on too, if I were guessing.

posted December 21, 2013 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Any planet squaring closely the Asc / Dsc in synastry affects the angle person very strongly, because it is also at their midpoint, and the angle flexes with every movement of the planet person, but Pluto and Saturn specifically hold an unusual strong power over the angle person when they square it. Being fixated and obsessed with the Pluto or Saturn person is something i hear every time when i see this aspect. Conjunction of Pluto to the ASC also has the same effect. Orbites must be tight.

Basically, the angle person cant seem able to snap out of the bewildering hold one of these two planets have when they square the Asc/Dsc axis in synastry even if they want to. Reminds me of a fly stuck in a spider's net. The spider just sits on the side and watches their desperate paddling to escape.

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^ Orange the spider analogy is soooo accurate..good one! Well I don't feel so looney now that I see my Saturn squares his ASC...Phew.

posted December 21, 2013 05:39 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
@Ceri: was this with Mr. Sagg? Ugh yep, been there with my guy. We have Pluto DW's all over the place but I noticed his Pluto does square my ASC by a wide 13. Now, normally I would say this is too wide of an orb to count, but given that it's 1. My ASC that's being aspected to his PLUTO, by a hard aspect....yeah, I'm totally obsessed...I admit it. It drives me nuts. But I'm sure he has a lot of it going on too, if I were guessing.

Dear Lord, I just realized his Pluto is parallel my IC! Ugh..no wonder people tell me I need psychological help LOL

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Nope, not Mr Sag.

13 degrees orb? No way. Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion,b ut 13 degrees is not even an aspect in my book.

However, pluto parallel IC? NOW we are talking!
Bersides I think there is pretty much nothing stronger than Pluto on the IC, and yes, even stroner than on the ASC-DESC-line, at least in terms of reaching deep inside one`s soul.

So, as I said the above one was not with mr Sag, but looking ours up:

his Pluto squares my VERTEX, SUN/MOON-mp and EROS exactly

his Pluto quindecile my IC

his Pluto contraparallel my true and natural LILITH

my Pluto opposite his CERES and trine his PROSERPINA (his Pluto also sextiles my Proserpina exact)

my Pluto quinkunx his EROS exact

my Pluto quindecile his ASC Exact

my Pluto parallel his NN

my Pluto parallel his true Lilith and contraprallel his Priapus

and in the composite:

Pluto in 8th house

widely conjunct NN (5 degrees)
square Venus and PROSERPINA (1 degree)
quinkunx EROS, PRIAPUS and IC tightly (zero or 1 degree)

posted December 21, 2013 05:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Any planet squaring closely the Asc / Dsc in synastry affects the angle person very strongly, because it is also at their midpoint, and the angle flexes with every movement of the planet person, but Pluto and Saturn specifically hold an unusual strong power over the angle person when they square it. Being fixated and obsessed with the Pluto or Saturn person is something i hear every time when i see this aspect. Conjunction of Pluto to the ASC also has the same effect. Orbites must be tight.

Basically, the angle person cant seem able to snap out of the bewildering hold one of these two planets have when they square the Asc/Dsc axis in synastry even if they want to. Reminds me of a fly stuck in a spider's net. The spider just sits on the side and watches their desperate paddling to escape.

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Absolutely agrees with my observations, too.

posted December 22, 2013 06:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Absolutely agrees with my observations, too.

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posted December 23, 2013 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Yep, his Pluto conjunct my IC- that's what's doing it!! Oh man. The obsession was gradual on my end...didn't really hit until we kind of bad a falling out and stopped speaking..then it started to gradually kick in. So I had known him about two years already.

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Yes, same here.
The attraction/obsession gradually happened and it hit me like a ton of bricks, though the fascination and familiar connection was there from the start.

posted March 25, 2014 01:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
My theory is that the Asc will be intimidated or scared of the Pluto person and feel like the victim, whereas Pluto would want to control/dominate the Asc person...

I also feel this aspect might be responsible for sexual attraction as well, since the Asc is a Mars-point afterall... Any thoughts?

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I'd love to hear more on this, if anyone has more experiences or site info to share.

There's an Aries point of view to this with my case especially, Libra Pluto square their ASC-DC. There's a Sun square ASC-DC that's exact and has obviously been felt, but how would a Pluto square the angle be felt? I imagine it depends a bit on what the ASC-person has in their own chart how they react to or feel the planet squaring their angle but on a theoretical level you'd think that a Pluto would be felt quite strongly compared to some other planets. I assume a Sun square ASC-DC will still feel easier than the Pluto and be rather picked despite perhaps not being the easiest that either.

Sexual attraction to the angle-person fits, but it's a little hard to say what is the root cause of it when there are plenty of planetary aspects as well. Venus conj Pluto and Mars square Pluto included. The Internet glance around was extremely funny with all the "violent, dangerous, volatile, extremely aggressive" style remarks about the lot. Overwhelming passion and "And then, there’s the sex. Violent, total, tantric sex" kind of make it difficult to say if Pluto square the Ascendant plays first into the possible sex appeal factor.

I'm wondering if an Aries or Scorpio would be more (or less?) accepting of a Pluto square ASC than other signs. Opinions?

posted March 25, 2014 07:47 AM            

Ah yes! Of course lol.

Considering its an axis, his Pluto would then square both my Asc & Desc, and also conjunct my Asc/Desc midpoint.

It makes the whole picture more clear if I look at it that way. He's definitely triggered a lot of change and purging to take place in those areas.

"I'm wondering if an Aries or Scorpio would be more (or less?) accepting of a Pluto square ASC than other signs. Opinions?"