posted December 18, 2013 12:34 AM            

Any insights on that, Gabby?

posted December 18, 2013 01:55 AM              

Okay, so I have Neptune / moon 164.20.

Trouble is, I have not a CLUE as how to interpret that. I've been looking around on Google but am failing.

Anyone have an idea?

EDIT: I found this.

posted December 18, 2013 09:02 AM            

I'm a proud owner of Moon quindecile Vesta-Hestia

posted December 18, 2013 10:09 AM            

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CHIRON 165^ PLUTO

Here is where I need your help, dear reader. The only example I have found so far of this aspect is Richard DeMont, an athlete and champion swimmer, who has the dubious distinction of being the first Olympic participant ever to be disqualified from championship for the alleged use of drugs. Please send in the charts of other people who have this aspect, so we may find the positive expressions of it.

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Haha positive? Is it positive to be aware of every f*kin little powergame in any existing correlation?

I Always thought it was the result of Pluto on my Sun/Moon midpoint within 1*.

But now I shake hands with Gabby..

Pluto 166'03 degrees from Chiron.
Sun/Moon midpoint 166'46 degrees from Chiron.

posted December 18, 2013 10:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:

Here is a link for an Aspect Calculator...
http://astroblahhh.com/astrology/aspect_rating_calc_vB.shtml

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Thanks, Gabby! It doesn't list quindecile or quinqueundecim as aspects but at least it will calculate the angle.

I have sun quindecile Saturn. That just fits because my chart seems to be all about the interplay between the sun and Saturn (singleton Cap sun, chart ruler, in mutual reception with Saturn; Leo ASC conjunct Saturn.)

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You can use the midpoint (exact middle) of those two points to use the energy positively so there isn't so much of a war.

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posted December 18, 2013 11:05 AM            

http://astrofix.net/2012/03/25/chironpluto-aspects/#.UrHF_42x5y0

The frightening true story of myself.

posted December 18, 2013 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Total shot in the dark here, i just started learning about this aspect but ill give it a try....
Maybe a huge desire to be free or original in your relationships, a refusal to conform to the norm or be as someone, or "society" expects or wants...you want to rebel at all cost...while still longing for that stable secure relationship that feels comfortable, wanting the relationships to be there for you and love you...but you cant settle for the boring'ness' of the same ole, same ole love style as everyone else.
It makes it hard for someone else to feel secure because you dont feel secure about what you want.

If, im totally wrong tell me!

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posted December 18, 2013 01:16 PM            

quoted from the link given by
The orb of influence for these minor aspects is under two degrees, usually about one degree, so if you have two points 164 degrees apart, they are BOTH quinqueundecim and quindecile.

**quoted from the link/article i posted...
"Note that some people feel Quindecile is a misnomer, saying that should properly be used for another aspect, 24 degrees."

Theres 2, possibly 3 difficult aspects all meeting up on top of each other and playing together....so i think its going to be a strong enough energy to give a bit more room, like 2 degrees in either direction!

Here is the issue with these degrees that i think makes it relevant to give 2, not just 1 degree...
163-quinqueundecim
165-Johndro/Tao aspect
165 or 24- quindecile

Keywords for Quinqueundecim-
Unrelenting" is used a lot, obsessive. It's like Scorpio on steroids. But it's got a focus,
With the quinqueundecim, especially between the personal planets, it shows someone who had some sort of disruption or was removed from society for some time and they must forgive, transform themselves, and help others with their experience.
It'll just usually take a while to get there. A lot of people who wind up in relationships where they are trapped, who have parents who controlled their whole lives, or who suffer from accidents/illness that leave them confined have a prominent quinqueundecim.
You can use the midpoint (exact middle) of those two points to use the energy positively so there isn't so much of a war.

Keywords for Quindecile-
“quindecile is an aspect of unrelenting motivation, obsession, determination, upheaval, disruption, even separation.” The planets connected through this aspect are under high developmental tension, and some believe it counts it almost as important as conjunction, square or opposition.
Ricki Reeves’ book Quindecile goes into depth about the interpretation of each planetary combination in this aspect. From what I’ve read, she seems to suggest that there is a compulsive feeling of “whatever it takes” to fulfill one’s motivation.

This is what the 165/Johndro or Tao aspect is about-
Keywords associated with Johndro aspects:
determined, persistent, single-minded, dogged, unyielding, unrelenting, unwavering, persevering, uncompromising
reacting intensely to events by becoming all the more focused;
unable to quit under any circumstances, not fazed by the apparent reality of a situation (not letting apparent reality interfere with one’s purpose);
potential for becoming truly obsessive; believing that there is no such thing as a non-negotiable issue;
continually to get up and return to the fray no matter how many times one is knocked down;
not afraid of controversy.

posted December 18, 2013 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by LionFish:
I have the quindecile between Moon in 10H and Saturn in 5H. Orb of 2 minutes.. I'm not sure my poor Moon needs anymore afflictions..

Any insights on that, Gabby?

Oh, and my Saturn is at the 164th degree with my MC, which just so happens to be conjunct my Sun/Moon midpoint by 1 degree.

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You are driven to express yourself your creativity, you know you must find the courage and strength to live your dreams no matter the cost!
You must build the foundations that will support these dreams, failure is not an option!
If someone where to try to stop you or get in the way...they would be an obstacle you would remove from your life, you wouldnt cater to them! everything is second to this drive...relationships, family, friends...if they dont support your dreams their opinions, thoughts and possibly the person will be shut out.
If you were to fail, you sense it would mean emotional death for you, so you will not give up!

posted December 18, 2013 03:08 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Very interesting!

Okay, so I have Neptune / moon 164.20.

Trouble is, I have not a CLUE as how to interpret that. I've been looking around on Google but am failing.

Anyone have an idea?

EDIT: I found this.

"This quindecile provides you with the ambition and drive needed to prove that the unknown can be as substantive as the physical reality that we know to be true."

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Neptune/Moon-
Intense creativity needing to be expresses to be satisfied emotionally.
Visionary, spiritual or on the low side an escapist type energy obsessively driving you to find emotional security.

Maybe overly romanticized ideals about how you need to be nurtured or how you nurture others, potentially causing you to expect to much of yourself or others in relationships, but you cant give up the idea that what your looking for is possible, creating stress and disappointment in yourself/others.

posted December 18, 2013 03:09 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Gabby,...

http://astrofix.net/2012/03/25/chironpluto-aspects/#.UrHF_42x5y0

The frightening true story of myself.

I don't think I ever read such a fitting passsage...

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posted December 18, 2013 03:16 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Haha positive? Is it positive to be aware of every f*kin little powergame in any existing correlation?

I Always thought it was the result of Pluto on my Sun/Moon midpoint within 1*.

But now I shake hands with Gabby..

Pluto 166'03 degrees from Chiron.
Sun/Moon midpoint 166'46 degrees from Chiron.

Great finding!

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LOL....it is stressful seeing how ppl try to manipulate you, pluto kicks in, obsessively analyzing(without your conscious awareness)....somehow you become aware the emotional issue(Chiron) that is behind their behavior and you can see how they lie to themselves to try to stop their hurting...instantly.....if you continue looking you can see how they could heal their pain, but usually that requires them accepting the issue and realizing they dont think they are worthy of healing and being happy, then address why they feel that way.....thats the hard part, and because most cant do that, they cant heal!

posted December 18, 2013 03:17 PM            

Quindecile (QD) to Midheaven: suggests obsessive and determined focus on career achievement in terms of the planet aspecting it.

Quindecile to Ascendant: suggests obsessive and even disruptive focus on relationship and self image in terms of the planet aspecting it.

Quindecile to the Sun suggests tremendous tension directing the life energy into the aspected planet. Tiger Woods has his Sun in Capricorn QD MC, which is an unrelenting focus of disciplined energy into career achievement.

Quindecile to the Moon suggests the emotional drive being channeled into the aspected planet. Also, the aspect works the other way, directing the other planet’s energy into the emotional system, potentially creating a great upheaval within.

Arnold Schwarzenegger has his 6th house Moon in Capricorn QD ASC, suggesting the ambitious, workaholic drive entering into the identity, potentially upsetting relationships.

Quindecile to Mercury: the determined, obsessive or disruptive quality enters the mind in terms of the planet being aspected, potentially creating great anxiety. This extreme tension might become a fuel for intellectual output, and/or a cause for neurosis.

Quindecile to Venus: we can expect similar tension to enter within the emotional system and relationships, and sometimes into the aesthetic sensitivity (which may lead to productive artistic work.)

Quindecile to Mars: this may suggest unrelenting drive to exert energy, in terms of the aspected planet, or Mars’ sign and house placement. Albert Einstein has Mars in Capricorn QD
his ASC, suggesting the quality of unrelenting determination and achievement fused with the identity.

Quindecile to Jupiter: may suggest obsessive focus on education, philosophy or spirituality. This aspect may intensify the need for rewards in terms of Jupiter’s sign and house placement.

Quindecile from Saturn: may suggest obsessive focus on ambition, control and achievement. There may be an intense suppression and disruption of the aspect planet.

Quindecile from Uranus: unrelenting drive toward individual freedom, innovation, and even rebelliousness is possible.

Quindecile from Neptune: Potentially disruptive intensification of creative, visionary, or escapist drive can be expected. Poet William Wordsworth has his Neptune QD Mercury, which seems to corroborate his obsession with romantic ideas and aesthetic communication.

Quindecile from Pluto: obsessive, unrelenting motivation toward empowerment or destruction. Warren Buffett has his Pluto QD Saturn, which suggests monumental empowerment and absolute fixation on practical achievement.

posted December 18, 2013 06:46 PM            

I have Uranus (Libra, H12 1deg from H11) at just about at 165 from Chiron (Aries, H5). Will have to get back to this thread when I have more brain power!

posted December 18, 2013 07:12 PM            

using 1 degree orb

posted December 18, 2013 07:23 PM              

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Neptune/Moon-
Intense creativity needing to be expresses to be satisfied emotionally.
Visionary, spiritual or on the low side an escapist type energy obsessively driving you to find emotional security.

Maybe overly romanticized ideals about how you need to be nurtured or how you nurture others, potentially causing you to expect to much of yourself or others in relationships, but you cant give up the idea that what your looking for is possible, creating stress and disappointment in yourself/others.

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posted December 18, 2013 09:38 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
I have a few once again.....
According to Noel Tyl [b]"I recommend a tight orb: 2 to 2.5 degrees; the theory being, the tighter the orb, the fewer the aspects, the more reliable the aspects at hand.

using 1 degree orb

Venus quindecile Neptune
Jupiter quindecile NN
Sun quindecile NN
Asc quindecile Pluto
Chiron quindecile Midheaven >___>[/B]

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Wow, do you feel you obsess all over the place?
Maybe like having this energy, that is so focused, is pointless because your intensely focused on everything and that leaves you spread so thin your spinning your wheels instead of making the progress you want?

posted December 19, 2013 03:14 AM            

Sun quindecile Sun 1
Moon quindecile Moon exact
Mars quindecile Mars 1
ASC quindecile MC 1
Chiron quindecile DSC exact
Chiron quindecile Jupiter exact

In natals we both have quindeciles -

posted December 19, 2013 02:08 PM            

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LOL....it is stressful seeing how ppl try to manipulate you, pluto kicks in, obsessively analyzing(without your conscious awareness)....somehow you become aware the emotional issue(Chiron) that is behind their behavior and you can see how they lie to themselves to try to stop their hurting...instantly.....if you continue looking you can see how they could heal their pain, but usually that requires them accepting the issue and realizing they dont think they are worthy of healing and being happy, then address why they feel that way.....thats the hard part, and because most cant do that, they cant heal!

Its like Chiron/Pluto rips through you and exposes the deepest wound, then your left 2 choices.....heal or bleed to death because with this aspect, theirs no such thing as a band aid, no temporary fixes are allowed!!
Slap a band aid on it and watch Pluto rip it right back off and laugh! Your only choice to is to fix the problem in such a way that there no weakness left from the injury, or else Pluto will find it and expose it

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Yes yesss yesssss!

I'm sure you would love that article from the link I gave.. maybe something to analyse in depth one day hihi.

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My MC is 164.45 to my Part of Fortune
Cancer MC and Saggy P.o F. in 3rd house....obsessed with a career that nurtures others...by communicating about how we can get back our innocence of childhood where we were open and trusting, through our beliefs, love and learning higher ways of thinking and living that help us open back up to others after weve lost our faith in them.
Sounds good to me, lol!

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Ooww I this!

After which I found..

posted December 19, 2013 07:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Wow, do you feel you obsess all over the place?
Maybe like having this energy, that is so focused, is pointless because your intensely focused on everything and that leaves you spread so thin your spinning your wheels instead of making the progress you want?

Or maybe youve been able to find ways to pull them together so they support each other, they are heading for the same goal?

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I would say my Sun/Jupiter conjunction quindecile my North Node in Aquarius points towards the alternative expression of the quindecile, a prominent maternal relationship. I have a very matriarchal family.

posted December 19, 2013 08:39 PM            

Nessus cancer@2.24 is 165.11 to DNA saggy@17.35
Nessus is 165.49 to Angelica saggy@18.14

My asteroid Angel cap@16.22 is 166.02 from Nessus

Im not sure but as a child i found a way to see the good in my abusers, it was how i survived...it helped me to feel they loved me but where to hurt to show it.
Today, i see how we must purge that bad in us....in orer to find our light...i dont look at things as black or white good or evil....i see everything as a lesson that if openly looked at without judgement allows us to grow into our higher selves, without bad we wouldnt understand the good, we need both to grow. eventually we will grow past needing both, but until then they both serve purpose and help us grow.

What makes the bad so hard and scary is when we judge it and then think we must be the reason for it, we feel guilty and think are the reason for the bad and allow that feeling to change who we are!