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Topic: Sole dispositor and aspect
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theunknown Knowflake Posts: 886 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 19, 2013 03:19 PM
I don't see much written on this topic.What happen when say sole dispositor conjunct Sun or planets or be in different houses? IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 6752 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 19, 2013 11:14 PM
I have a book that gives this and many other really good interpretations. Unfortunately, it's out of print. I wrote out one of the chapters here, at the request of a couple of friends: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum34/HTML/001499.html Maybe I can write one out for you. What is the Final Dispositor that you want to know about?
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Kerosene Knowflake Posts: 9923 From: Mercury Registered: Dec 2012
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posted December 19, 2013 11:34 PM
I made a thread about this too. No one really contributed  Maybe this one will have more luck... the most informative and educational threads get no response just all the silly random ones.Anyways I have Sun,moon, and venus conjunct its sole diposter too. IP: Logged |
theunknown Knowflake Posts: 886 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 19, 2013 11:36 PM
I have Saturn as final dispositor. It conjunct a my mercury, sun and MC, sextile moon, square ASCThank you Ellynlvx! You're always the best  IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 6752 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 19, 2013 11:58 PM
I'm sorry, Kero, and I completely agree. I must have missed it.Hey, it's not in that book, it's in "The Astrologer's Handbook." (Sakoian & Acker) (And the Villagers Cheered.) "If Saturn is the final dispositor of all the planets in the horoscope, the native achieves success through tremendous discipline and ability to organize the affairs of his life efficiently. He makes decisions and chooses his final course of action on the basis of what will in the long run lead to the greatest security and stability. Considerations of safety and practicality are foremost in his mind. He proceeds deliberately and systematically, completing each task thoroughly and well before going on to the next. He achieves success through reliability and hard work and gains a reputation for being a solid and dependable citizen in his community. Everything he does is done with a definite goal in mind. Thus he builds up his career and public standing through patient, methodical effort." Great Book. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 6752 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 20, 2013 12:02 AM
Kero, yours is a trip.With three Domiciles and a Mutual Reception; how can you choose? IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 4715 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted December 20, 2013 12:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by Kerosene: I made a thread about this too. No one really contributed  Maybe this one will have more luck... the most informative and educational threads get no response just all the silly random ones.Anyways I have Sun,moon, and venus conjunct its sole diposter too.
yeah I noticed that too. I wanted to post a thread on the 'ultimate/grand dispositor' of a natal chart. IP: Logged |
Kerosene Knowflake Posts: 9923 From: Mercury Registered: Dec 2012
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posted December 20, 2013 12:09 AM
LOL oh no They are all in the same sign, Mercury is Domicile.I actually had a thought when A planet conjunct it's sole dispositor even if it it's in fall or debilitated there's an enhancement. Somethings i noticed for example Venus in Virgo conjunct Mercury, Very romantic, sensitive and loving rather than cold. Mars in cancer Conjunct Moon brave, strong, direct, passionate rather than passive agressive and weak. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 6752 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 20, 2013 12:17 AM
"If Mercury is the final dispositor or all the planets in the horoscope, individuals are indicated who choose their courses of action and make their major decisions on the basis of rational thought. These natives will not act without practical reasons for doing so, for them, to act without knowing why would be intolerable stupidity and blindness. Sometimes, however, they lose decisiveness and fail to act promptly because they insist on understanding every single detail. They can get so bogged down in reasoning everything out that they forget that all knowledge, if it is to be accurate, must stem from experience and empirical observation. Yet they are noted for their intelligence and scientific approach to life, they succeed by using the key of knowledge, where others fail because they act with brute force. They can put reason and love of truth above personal bias and emotional considerations and thus avoid much of the emotional turmoil that other people get mixed up in. They sort out experience and come to rational conclusions based on the best information they can obtain. These natives make excellent writers, teachers, researchers and scientists and are able to communicate clearly concerning every aspect of life. On the negative side, at times they appear cold and aloof, they tend to live in an ivory tower detached from real experience."(Sakoian & Acker) IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 6752 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 20, 2013 12:20 AM
Yeah, it's Dispositor, but you also have a Mutual Reception.The other two Domiciles stand on their own. (Well; Vertex to Pluto, I guess.) It's that one for the personals, Anti-Vertex and South Node, Mutual for the North and the Outers. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 4715 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted December 20, 2013 12:21 AM
Ellynvx, do you have anything on Sun being the grand dispositor and or Moon being the independent dispositor?IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 6752 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 20, 2013 12:26 AM
Independent meaning it stands alone?I think these are really written for those that disposit everything, but it gives you a basis. IP: Logged |
Kerosene Knowflake Posts: 9923 From: Mercury Registered: Dec 2012
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posted December 20, 2013 12:27 AM
For visual people there are these cool dispositer charts in the pullen/astrolog section on astro.comIP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 4715 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted December 20, 2013 12:28 AM
^Yes. She doesn't share rulership and is in domicile.IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 4715 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted December 20, 2013 12:30 AM
Well, that's not how I do it.I construct a dispositor tree..The grand dispositor has to disposit itself and be the sole dispositor of all the other planets. IP: Logged |
Kerosene Knowflake Posts: 9923 From: Mercury Registered: Dec 2012
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posted December 20, 2013 12:30 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ellynlvx: "If Mercury is the final dispositor or all the planets in the horoscope, individuals are indicated who choose their courses of action and make their major decisions on the basis of rational thought. These natives will not act without practical reasons for doing so, for them, to act without knowing why would be intolerable stupidity and blindness. Sometimes, however, they lose decisiveness and fail to act promptly because they insist on understanding every single detail. They can get so bogged down in reasoning everything out that they forget that all knowledge, if it is to be accurate, must stem from experience and empirical observation. Yet they are noted for their intelligence and scientific approach to life, they succeed by using the key of knowledge, where others fail because they act with brute force. They can put reason and love of truth above personal bias and emotional considerations and thus avoid much of the emotional turmoil that other people get mixed up in. They sort out experience and come to rational conclusions based on the best information they can obtain. These natives make excellent writers, teachers, researchers and scientists and are able to communicate clearly concerning every aspect of life. On the negative side, at times they appear cold and aloof, they tend to live in an ivory tower detached from real experience."(Sakoian & Acker)
Hmm well I do...kindaaaaaaa but I find real life experiences to be the best educator. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 6752 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 20, 2013 12:49 AM
If the Sun is the final dispositor of all the planets in a horoscope, the drive for significance, power, and rulership is the principle that dominates all the other abilities of the native, which are made to serve this basic drive for power. This is the sign of the super Leo, which most strongly and dramatically expresses the basic qualities of this luminary. The way in which solar Leo tendencies express themselves will depend on the house placement of the Sun and the aspects made to the Sun. The natives can be self-centered, believing the life ought to revolve around them. However, they have tremendous gifts for leadership and organization, and often become famous as a result of their energy, courage, and self-confidence. At times their childlike innocence can be completely disarming, but it is only a scene in a play, and their Leo quality will change once again.If the Moon is the final dispositor of all the planets in a horoscope, considerations of home, family, and often the stomach are uppermost in the native's mind and feelings. He arrives at decisions and major courses of action more on the basis of emotions than after rational deliberation. Often he is dominated by inherited behavior patterns, received from the family. Emotionally very sensitive, he takes on the coloring of people and events around him. Women often play a dominant role in the lives of the natives. How they are affected depends on the aspects to the Moon, since the Moon assumes the attributes of whatever planets aspect it strongly. Since the Moon has not life of its own, it acts as a step-down transformer for the influences of other planets. These individuals tend to allow themselves to be led passively by the potent influences around them-represented by the nature of the planets most strongly aspecting the Moon. They often, therefore, become involved in dealing with the public, although they are followers rether than leaders. Sometimes they are shy, as a protection against their vulnerability to outside influences; them the Cancer crab withdraws into its shell or retreats until it is expedient to move forward again." (Sakoian & Acker) Good Gravy, what a mix! IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 4715 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted December 20, 2013 12:53 AM
It feels like two dominant personalities within me. Not a joy ride I can assure you  IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 6752 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 20, 2013 12:55 AM
I'll just bet!IP: Logged |
theunknown Knowflake Posts: 886 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 20, 2013 12:56 AM
thank you! i'm trying to think well of all of my saturnian transit problems. Guess just suck it up and wish for the best IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 6752 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 20, 2013 01:00 AM
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Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 4715 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted December 20, 2013 01:02 AM
You have to remember that only a few people have a sole dispositor in their natal. If you do have one, it's the most powerful planet in your chart. The next thing I would do, is follow its pattern, aspects, delineations etc and then relate it to past transits and major events that happened in your life.IP: Logged |
Panthera Leo Knowflake Posts: 402 From: Registered: Jul 2013
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posted December 20, 2013 02:41 AM
Can I Ask your opinions on my chart IP: Logged |
theunknown Knowflake Posts: 886 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 20, 2013 09:58 AM
how would we interpret aspects TO Sole dispositor?Do these planets have heightened importance? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 11818 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 20, 2013 10:03 AM
quote: Originally posted by theunknown: how would we interpret aspects TO Sole dispositor?Do these planets have heightened importance?
Yes, I think so.
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