posted January 12, 2014 01:18 AM              

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Yes those are the meditations I read.
Poseidon and the Moon seem to be a very nice pair.
Seems to be a more tame form of Neptune, interesting!!!!

For Xiiro
Not sure if you read this.
You probably have http://www.rubymala.com/content/astrology/eris.htm

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posted January 12, 2014 01:19 AM            

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Hades

The energy entered like an ancient sea monster rising from the depths of the sea. It is so slow, ancient beyond the limitations of this known 3-dimensional time and space. The energy is profound, sentient, chthonic, instinctual, has natural inherent integrity.

Relates to "ancestral ash" – primordial DNA strands, also including psychic genetic encoding of family patterns, both "curses" and "gifts".

Instinctual, recalls komodo dragons, early Australian aborigines who are primitive yet visionaries (whose art is representation of pure energy forms and patterns, which they see), and very enmeshed with nature and nature beings (Dreamtime). Tribal consciousness which has no sense of individuated/personalized self separate from the rest of creation and nature. Stark yet profound and rich in its own way.

Deals with disintegration, but there is no negative/"bad" judgement or perception of it, rather merely as an inevitable and needed part of all natural processes and cycles. Very much part of and in alignment with universal laws and principles. The Kali Yuga.

Definitely shamanic, relates to other/higher/lower dimensions and crossing into them. Relates to shamanic peoples from different cultures as they all cross the veils into the Unknown, for exploration, healing, spirit travel, vision, and ??

This energy has utterly no concern for pretense, socialization or civilized programming of values. Here are the places, people, situations where fine and stylish clothing and an MBA degree are less than useless. This is primordial and ancient resonant bone, not niceties of external form – not that it has to be "ugly", it need not be! Authentic to the core, yes.

Recalls the pre-Buddhist Tibetan BonPo shamanic lineage, which embodies much of this energy as evidenced thru their use of skullcup ritual offering chalices, kanglings (human thigh-bone trumpets), etc, all echoing the impermanance of all. Recall Robert Powell's book "Earth, door, sky, door aintings of Mustang", of a Himalayan area (Nepal?) with blood soaked mounds with yak horns sticking up out of the top, these mounds as protectors. Some of Georgia O'Keefe's art is similar.

Relates to ancient protector spirits of sacred sites and some geographical areas, which may be magical lightbeings, may be "wrathful deities", or "trolls", or animal-like, may be kindly or hostile spirits which dwell in (and emerge from) stone cliff walls, mountains, rivers, etc ...

This energy relates to the Bardo states, the "hell realms" – as they exist, and as there is "seepage" across into our "ordinary" world where the veils are thin. Some kinds of energy leakage.

To approach this energy, one must "drop the garment of Self" and know that one is "no more and no less than a speck of cosmic dust" – (this neutral universal perspective is both humbling and liberating, but does not function at the ego level) Deals with a stark, core level of reality – yes, the old crones, those who have lost all to the essential self.

Hades allows you (your essential self) the right to be, you must allow it the right to be – on its own terms. It can bring great compassion, patience and healing, deepening.

Asked about how it compares to Pluto – Pluto is more active, more about will, and the pursuit, use and abuse of power. Hades has no personal component to power and abuse like that.

Asked about how it compares to Neptune, which can also relate to weakened energy and energy leakages – again, with Neptune this is more likely to happen on more personal levels, ie. a person you know is being an energy vampire and trying to drain you, or you are doing it to yourself. With Hades, the energy leakage or energy body damage can be interdimensional in causation, can relate to "loss of soul" over time and space. Both may bring energy loss thru disease. The Hades related problems are more likely to need shamanic healing and repatterning.

Asked if modern physics is getting closer to reaching this energy with its work moving beyond particle/wave, quantum etc. Got that while physics has moved beyond the edge of the "known", that it is still headed in the same basic direction, while Hades is "below" the plane of their exploration. Science is not yet able to find and move thru the interdimensional grid to "inner space" that is of a much more subtle energy ... maybe in time.

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posted January 12, 2014 01:26 AM            

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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:

Their astrology software isn't bad either, and they do give you a (limited) sample reading that is accurate enough to be creepy. If you want the full reading they expect you to shell out 250 bucks for the full software though.

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posted January 12, 2014 02:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
What have you decided?

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not sure if you are talking to me

To be really brief, I think the trans neptunian planets get more significance when they are on natal midpoints that are likely to be activated during transits and/or when they are in close aspect to the angles and/or when they are in close aspect with the ''rulers' of the natal chart.

posted January 12, 2014 02:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
They are used by Uranian Astrologers and although midpoints are mostly tools of cosmobiological interpretatons they are also used by Uranian astrologers in conjunction with the 8 trans neptunian planets.I've been studying them for awhile now.

I have Jupiter conjunct Hades natal,
Zeus conjunct mars
Zeus square neptune
Kronos square mars
Kronos opp neptune
Apollon conjunct pluto
Apollon square moon
Admetos sq mercury,venus,sun and saturn
Vulcanus sq moon
Vulcanus conjunct pluto
poseidon conjunct MC
Poseidon sq ASC.

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posted January 12, 2014 04:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Yes those are the meditations I read.
Poseidon and the Moon seem to be a very nice pair.
Seems to be a more tame form of Neptune, interesting!!!!

For Xiiro
Not sure if you read this.
You probably have http://www.rubymala.com/content/astrology/eris.htm

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Wow Kerosene thanks! That is the first time I have read anything that sounds remotely close to how I have been experiencing Eris. These are all things related directly with what I have discovered in my own research:

"She told me she's about breaking past linearity, especially when it's a narrow view and illusion. Not much is linear she's about amplification and clarity (herkimer) and 'unimpeded flow' (pentagram).

There is a potential for a certain amount of relentlessness [to her energy] here ~ but we certainly do not have to follow the rules that we make up for ourselves!

Freedom, spontaniety, loosening and dropping of conditioning. Of course it scares the 'traditional.'

A possible implication here is that the more complex levels of musical harmonics suggest that Eris may also have more resonance with the higher astrological harmonics such as the quintile, septile, and novile series

She said the non-linearity was dimensional and geometric (3-D, or 4, or 5) and also regarding time.

The dysnomia that so many of us are experiencing is us 'stuttering' on the dimensional quickening shift happening ~ we are ‘getting ahead of ourselves' trying to keep up, so to speak, and there are much bigger cracks in the foundation.

Time for people to stop whining and take responsibility, and take back your ground and your freedom (on multiple levels) ~
ridicule the ******** that are gaming you!

There is such interconnectedness ~ string theory ~ 'Indira's web.' Yes, also heal discord.

We've been calling for a rebalancing of the 'feminine' relatedness, and it's emerging.

She is rooted in universal laws and principles ~ remember that Chaos is a universal law and principle, and what facilitates change, growth, evolution. We are moving at increasingly exponential rates now and need this.

[Buddhist] 'Emptiness' and also luminous potentiality.

a social revoluntionary who guides with wisdom and vision, and does not trip over man-made 'rules.'

We've simply outgrown the old paradigm and 'rules,' and yes, there are those desperately trying to hang on to their knickers, and keep 'em down on the farm. It won't work. Remember a thought from earlier today ~ some of the Chinese sent to occupy Tibet will be drawn over to be supporters instead of occupiers, pulled by their inner thirst and longing for the spiritual, and finding it there. For many conundrums, take a step or two back and consider the context, and the context of the context, and the wholistic life of it, and the little dualistic catch will fall away. Creativity, when we get out of our own way and instead, 'midwife' our creative expressions.

~ center. Beyond limitations, yet while it may look like chaos to the startled, there is a root in integrity and authenticity within the freedom.

There is resonance and harmonics beyond the octaves we know how to hear yet ~ dolphins and whales. The lyric, 'an avalanche in a snowball"

posted January 12, 2014 04:17 AM            

Interesting description of Apollon though:

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Apollon
Apollon (Ap Pull On)
The multiplier: expansion and spreading; growth and increase. Science; commerce; trade;
industry; peaceful efforts. The glyph is a combination of Jupiter and Gemini, and Apollon is
truly a Superduper Jupiter.

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I have mercury in Sagittarius, so it's like really super duper Jupiterized. lol. But what really got me curious is that Apollon is a blend of Jupiter and Gemini, and I have mercury as my chart ruler (Gemini asc). It seems that Jupiter or Jupiterian themes really are significant in my life.

posted January 12, 2014 05:03 AM              

That way I only have three aspects :

posted January 12, 2014 03:55 PM            

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
Anyone have the numbers for these? I know cupido (763) is conjunct my sun. Zeus is 5731. Can't find Kronos and that astro list takes forever on my phone.

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posted January 12, 2014 04:08 PM            

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
Anyone have the numbers for these? I know cupido (763) is conjunct my sun. Zeus is 5731. Can't find Kronos and that astro list takes forever on my phone.

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posted January 12, 2014 04:12 PM            

I have cupido (h40) conjunct ascendant by 3.
Admetos (h45) conjunct moon and descendant by less than 1. Seems very Taurus and it's in Taurus for me.
Zeus (h42) conjunct Karma (3811).

posted January 12, 2014 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
[b]Anyone have the numbers for these? I know cupido (763) is conjunct my sun. Zeus is 5731. Can't find Kronos and that astro list takes forever on my phone.

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posted January 12, 2014 04:18 PM            

Any insight appreciated.

posted January 12, 2014 04:35 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I have
Zeus in the 1st, trine Mars and NN exact
Poseidon conjunct Moon exact
Cupido conjunct Pluto (2)
Hades conjunct MC (3)
Kronos in the 10th
Apollon square Neptune (1)
Admetos trine Neptune (1)
Vulcanus opposite Neptune (1)
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/009816.html

Any insight appreciated.

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posted January 12, 2014 05:09 PM            

I have
Cupido sextile Sun (3)
Cupido sextile Mercury (exact)
Cupido conjunct Pluto (3)
Hades conjunct Moon (3)
Hades trine Venus (3)
Zeus opposite MC (exact)
Apollon square Sun (2)
Apollon sextile Mars (exact)
Apollon square Saturn (1)
Apollon square Ascendant (exact)
Vulcanus conjunct Chiron (1)
Vulcanus conjunct ASC (exact)

posted January 12, 2014 11:58 PM            

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Eris’s great joy is troublemaking, and when she throws her Apple of Discord, friendships end and wars begin. In geopolitical developments, Eris can bring bad news, since her archetypal pattern resonates with the bomb thrower, and any actions stemming from being rejected. The Greek poet Hesiod described Eris as “she who is only a little thing at first, but thereafter grows until she strides on the earth with her head striking heaven.”

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"Bomb thrower" lol

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Moon square Vulcanus 0', oppose Apollon 0'

Mercury square Zeus 1'

Venus square Eris 0', oppose Vulcanus 1', square Apollon 1'

MC conjunct Poseidon 0'

posted January 13, 2014 01:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Lunae:
Cupido conjuncts my mars exact and my sun by 2 degrees. Kronos also conjuncts my asc but with a wider orb of 5. Apollon sextiles my mercury exact.

Interesting description of Apollon though:

I have mercury in Sagittarius, so it's like really super duper Jupiterized. lol. But what really got me curious is that Apollon is a blend of Jupiter and Gemini, and I have mercury as my chart ruler (Gemini asc). It seems that Jupiter or Jupiterian themes really are significant in my life.

I have yet to fully understand the descriptions of these transneptunian planets. I have only encountered these now

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posted January 13, 2014 03:08 AM              

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
Anyone have the numbers for these? I know cupido (763) is conjunct my sun. Zeus is 5731. Can't find Kronos and that astro list takes forever on my phone.

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