posted March 21, 2014 02:02 PM            

Ceri and Indigo, I am *so* looking forward to a detailed discussion of VESTA. I think it is so overlooked. I probably have an affinity for it because it appears so often in my charts.

For whatever it may be worth, here is how Vesta functions with my current flame (whether he be twin or not). I'm throwing in a few other asteroids I particularly like, but that's a little hodge-podge; I haven't systematically run all of them in every type of chart.

Synastry:

Vesta conjunct Vesta (1) [no, we aren't really close in age; that's due to a complete orbit of Vesta]

His Vesta conjunct my Saturn (0)
opposite my Pallas (0) [DW]
square my Valentine (1)
biquintile my Neptune (0)
quincunx my Juno (1)

My Vesta opposite his Jupiter (1)
sesquisquare his Moon (0)
quintile his Pallas (0) [DW]
semisextile his Mars (0)
trine his Isis (0)
trine his Osiris (2)
trine his Alma (0)
square his Spirit (1)
sextile his Link (1)

Composite:

Vesta opposite Eros (0)
sextile Psyche (1)
trine Kaali (1)
semisquare Persephone (1)
sextile Compassion (0)

helio Composite:

Vesta trine Jupiter (0)
semisquare Uranus (0)
square Pluto (0)
conjunct Valentine (0)
trine Destinn (0)

Davison:

sextile Sun (0)
conjunct Valentine (0)
opposite Pallas (0)
trine Destinn (0)
quintile Union (0)
semisextile Link (0)
quintile Compassion (0)

posted March 21, 2014 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by MorpHnStorM:
Vesta is strongly configured in all of our charts as well.

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posted March 21, 2014 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Thank you for this 💙I've always wondered what kind of aura I give off...do you think the indigo aura is present in TF's?

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Holy God, contrast. Let's just blame my feeling sucky yesterday for the oh-my-GOD-HIGH-CONTRAST. I'll fix that. Heh.

Indigo is a tricky thing.

Are you super-passionate and have been accused of being a psychopath even though you have no sadistic personality?

There's a weird mix of aloofness, detachment, and 'otherness', to indigo. An intense need for solitude with interims of powerful relating on very deep levels.

The superficial feels frustratingly restrictive. This is why the need to delve deeply into everything tends to override most other things.

I have to say, since that day, and especially my meditation, I have a constant faint indigo tinge to me. Damned freaky. When I close my eyes, everything is 'through an indigo lens' as it were. Just making that image caused my brain to shift into everything-indigo.

Now it's just ... THERE.

I think that twin flames will be representing many parts of the spectrum. Some will certainly be indigo. I would suspect Graduates to fall in the Violet and Indigo spectrum, surely, but there may be just as many of the Tans, Greens, Blues - those who are here to arise out of the mental and ascend to the spiritual.

Found something interesting in my book, too.

When my two main characters, Deviche and Castalia have decided to accept the prophecy's dictates (for the time being), and visit a Sage, it's almost describing what's been called the Red Overlay. Are you familiar?

The Sage says, 'this is a constant sense of frustration. You are one but divided. It seeks to reach beyond you, to connect both of you, but there is a band which extends from within to beyond it that prevents it from doing so.'

Basically, the Sage, (which is a hermaphrodite, incidentally, because ... I thought that was fitting?) is saying that there are these bands which are surrounding each of them so tightly that their auras are being restricted from joining, as they're naturally inclined to do, being of the same essence.

Man. I knew WAY too much at fifteen. I wish I knew that much now!

If THAT's not oddly descriptive of Twin Flames, I dunno what is. I'm floored how it's been all over my work since I started writing seriously, in my mid-teens.

The 'remedy', of course, is forgiveness.

Since they're tasked with the ability to rejoin Valdonia and Zandora (aka 'the twin worlds' - no, I'm not kidding; could I've been more obvious?) after generations of separation via a forcefield that emerged, they've decided that it's worth at least trying to put their differences behind them - but only for 6 Sol revolutions - or, 6 earth days.

That put me into a weird headspace, reading that. Made me wonder. Contemplate.

If we were demanded to spend, essentially a week, with our twin flame, right now, as things currently exist, what would it yield?

If we, say, suddenly appeared in some inescapable apartment suite, with no doors, and only windows which allow us to see out, but not leave - what would we do?

What would we say?

Would we be grateful? Terrified?

If we were told that the means of escape is through genuine forgiveness and the cultivation of unconditional love - could we do it?

Really makes you wonder.

Damn, fifteen-year-old Me. You were kinda bright. Little did I know I wrote a strange 'how-to' guide to my future self then.

Complete with having a semi-peaceful, but very-obligatory marriage to contend with, as, she, too, had gotten married once she decided he'd forgotten her, or was never serious, etc., essentially, had not made her feel as if there was a real future for them.

posted March 21, 2014 03:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Do you think it is where we dedicate ourselves to each other? And in what way we do?

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posted March 21, 2014 03:14 PM            

I have a soft spot for VESTA, too. In my chart she is on 1°22 Capricorn, though not exact but still in orb with the ARIESPOINT.

Additionally and maybe even more so, VESTA falls onto my Sun/Venus-midpoint on 1°02 Capricorn. My Mercury/Venus-midpoint is on 0°35 Capricorn.

Interestingly when we first met and spoke Tr Moon on 1°55 Capricorn conjuncted Tr Pluto on 0°32 Capricorn.

So whatever VESTA really is about, it seems that this meeting triggered my own Vesta.
But also, since the first meeting chart is a chart of the birth of the relationship or union or connection as well, it means that my VESTA is attached to the Moon-Pluto-conjunction-side of this union.

My VESTA is additionally exactly sextile my Uranus on 1.21 SCorpio on the 11th house cusp on 1°35 SCorpio.

His VESTA plays into this, because it is on 2°59 Taurus in my 5th house, and hence it is conjunct my 5th house cusp, opposing my Uraus and trine my own VESTA, and very widely trine my Venus on 6.07 Cap, though that might be reaching.

His NN is on 1.22 Virgo, and thus PRECISELY trine my VESTA on 1.22 Capricorn.

Of course that means that our composite VESTA on 2.11 Pisces falls onto his natal SN.

I see the pattern but I am not exactly sure how to interprete it other than that it feels me with warm feelings. lol

Also we both have a rather earthy Vesta.

"Vesta conjunct Vesta (1) [no, we aren't really close in age; that's due to a complete orbit of Vesta]"
That is interesting.
We have the trine.

Anyone else have a reasonably close aspect between VESTA and VESTA?

Well my VESTA also widely conjuncts his Moon at 28°39 Sagittarius (but still under 3 degrees, so I count it) and his MC at 28.18 Sagittarius..

his VESTA (2.59 Cap) actually trines my asteroid stellium of:

VESTA 1.22 Cap
GILGAMESH 0.43 Cap
EVA 1.51 Cap
KNIGHT 1.54 Cap
STONEHENGE 1.59 Cap
SINDBAD 2.44 Cap
BODA 3.39 Cap
TRISTAN 3.43 Cap
CHALDAEA 4.23 Cap

There`s a clearly Sumerian as well as Arthurian/ Ancient English theme here I think.

"His Vesta conjunct my Saturn (0)"
This looks very serious, binding possibly?
But in what way?

"Composite:

Vesta opposite Eros (0)
sextile Psyche (1)
trine Kaali (1)
semisquare Persephone (1)"

So ANOTHER composite with VESTA configured with KAALI and PERSEPHONE, along with some other soulmate asteroids.
I wonder though, frequently it also seemed to be configured with Venus or Valentine, but maybe Eros is sufficient as love asteroid here, and might actually intensify the erotic vibe?

"conjunct Valentine (0)"
Ah, and there it is! The connection to Valentine! And an exact conjunction at that!
Amazing!

You like quintiles, don´t you?
I start doing so, too. I just can`t help but notice that our composite has quite a lot of quintiles. Maybe the predominant aspect colour the specific connection, too. In the context of quintiles probably something zany. lol

posted March 21, 2014 03:16 PM            

Strangely enough, it isn't VESTA which seemed to denote 'the Twin Flame mission'. But it IS crucial to one of mine.

Mine, specifically:

'Understanding, and dedication to the development of personal charisma and fame in subjects devoted to spirituality, creativity and psychology as a means of overcoming mental confinement. (12H LEO NN conjunct VESTA trine 4H SAGITTARIUS NEPTUNE.)

If we generalise it a bit, we should surely get that to which we're devoted - so we're all on the same page there.

Let's break down what iQ said into an astrological picture.

'Understanding, and dedication (VESTA) to the development (NNODE) of personal charisma and fame (LEO) in subjects devoted to spirituality, creativity and psychology (NEPTUNE) as a means of overcoming mental confinement (12H).'

Hardly an exact word-for-word there, but I think I get the basic gist of where he's going with it.

posted March 21, 2014 03:23 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
Vesta shows where you are hopelessly devoted.

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Well, the word "dedicated" came to my mind, but I think it is very close in meaning.
Yes, I def. can see that.

Morph,

posted March 21, 2014 03:26 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
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'Understanding, and dedication (VESTA) to the development (NNODE) of personal charisma and fame (LEO) in subjects devoted to spirituality, creativity and psychology (NEPTUNE) as a means of overcoming mental confinement (12H).'

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That is how I would have broken it down, too.

posted March 21, 2014 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
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'Understanding, and dedication (VESTA) to the development (NNODE) of personal charisma and fame (LEO) in subjects devoted to spirituality, creativity and psychology (NEPTUNE) as a means of overcoming mental confinement (12H).'

H

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That is how I would have broken it down, too.

posted March 21, 2014 03:46 PM            

STONEHENGE 24.55 Pisces
TRISTAN 22.29 Pisces
CHALDAEA 22.32 Pisces

So we BOTH have a natal triple conjunction of these asteroids, and pretty close.
Well, sharing hte same 2 aseroids in conjunction I find already interesting, but THREE of them?

It seems to imply a tight connection for both of us in regards to Sumeria and Ancient England. As a matter of fact we also have IRELAND conjunct IRELAND; but that is for another day. lol

The thing that seems to connect it also is Tristan. Tristan, like Lancelot, who fell in love with his uncle`s wife.
In my own chart TRISTAN is exactly square ISOLDA on my IC, but he doesn`t share that. so we are good I suppose. lol

But obviously it means that this will come up in the composite again, and it does:

TRISTAN 13.06 Aquarius
STONEHENGE 13.27 Aquarius
CHALDAEA 13.28 quarius

This ties directly into our helio composite VENUS 13.27 Aquarius (exact to the minute of tropical c-Stonehenge)

which is the most fascinating corner of our Star of David in helio composite.

I also find it interesting that his natal SAPPHO is on 13.29 Aquarius

(our pr composite Mercury on 13.25 Aquarius)

posted March 21, 2014 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well, the word "dedicated" came to my mind, but I think it is very close in meaning.
Yes, I def. can see that.

Morph,

that is an interesting thought about the mission, and I can see how dedication, focus, devotion can be connected to one`s mission, but somehow, I do´n`t know it doesn`t quite sit right with me, just intuitively. Almost, yes, but not completely.
Sorry, it is frustrating, I can´t quite put into words what I mean.

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posted March 21, 2014 04:06 PM            

I was noticing last night how Fate's and my crazy-close conjunction in our composite stems from our natal mutual ALMA-JUNO conjunctions:

08º LIB 04' | JUNO
08º LIB 37' | ALMA

(And let's not forget his are on VINDEMIATRIX.)

03º LIB 37'
04º LIB 13'

His are within minutes, and yet, it's central to me. I can only imagine it is for him, too.

Since mine is on SGC and SATURN, mine, specifically, is:

'Identification and critical analysis of all physical and religious restrictions that prevent the human soul from understanding multidimensional existences and love and relationships across multiple incarnations.'

Well, I'm glad that's a big part of why I'm here, because I'm already obsessive about it! Heh.

Honestly, though, does that not smack very much of the Twin Flame mission?

I think JUNO-ALMA is a feature of this being part of the soul's mission in the present incarnation.

Now. Here's what made it all click for me.

I noticed my JUNO is parallel only one thing in his chart.

His VESTA.

0º S 17' and 0º S 49'.

There's a reason this is as amazing as it is, and it has to do with another of my soul missions.

(Not to mention the fact he ALSO has ALMA-JUNO means the above applies to him, too, but minus the 'critical analysis' - as that's my Virgo Rising. It'd be something regarding his Aquarius Rising.)

That is:

'Personal transformation of your maternal nature through Soulmate relationships and ultimately, Twin Flame Relationship.' (LIBRA 2H SUN-PLUTO.)

Wow. There it is.

As we were musing on VESTA last night, I just recently looked his up again:

17º LIB 07'

It's 2º conjunct my SUN; it hooks right into that particular soul mission.

AND its parallel to my JUNO links to the one just above it!

Forgive my saying so, but - WOW.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that our natal soul missions will represent Twin Flame-based goals, AND there will be strong synastric aspects to them.

While it's completely logical, I can't help but smile and enjoy a relieved sigh when I see how our ALMA-JUNO are not making synastric conjunctions; instead, are linked directly to our composite ALMA-JUNO.

08º LIB 04' | JUNO - 03º LIB 37 | ALMA = 04º67
08º LIB 04' | JUNO - 04º LIB 13 | JUNO = 03º91

08º LIB 37' | ALMA - 03º LIB 37 | ALMA = 05º00
08º LIB 37' | ALMA - 04º LIB 13 | JUNO = 04º24

Way too wide.

But ...

06º LIB 07'5' | ALMA/JUNO:

08º LIB 04 | JUNO = 1º97
08º LIB 37 | ALMA = 2º30

03º LIB 37' | ALMA = 2º70
04º LIB 13' | JUNO = 1º94

posted March 21, 2014 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Sorry to be away so long; I have about 40 pages to catch up with (had major surgery last week, but done laparoscopically so other than being tired, it has been an easy recovery).

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posted March 21, 2014 04:12 PM            

I guess I think using only the words "devotion" (or "dedication") and "focus" doesn't address the deeply spiritual component.

Maybe this quote attributed to Dawn Bodrogi comes closer to what I intuitively sense about her:

posted March 21, 2014 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well, the word "dedicated" came to my mind, but I think it is very close in meaning.
Yes, I def. can see that.

Morph,

that is an interesting thought about the mission, and I can see how dedication, focus, devotion can be connected to one`s mission, but somehow, I do´n`t know it doesn`t quite sit right with me, just intuitively. Almost, yes, but not completely.
Sorry, it is frustrating, I can´t quite put into words what I mean.

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That makes a whole lot of sense

Btw,
I have to say I appreciate you taking the time to look at everyone's charts, Ceri

posted March 21, 2014 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
I can't quite put my finger on it, and I can't put it into words, but there is something about Vesta, perhaps especially when she aspects another person's chart, that is deeper and goes beyond "devotion" and "focus." She is also keeper of the sacred flame; if this quote from Ovid I found is accurate “Conceive of Vesta as naught but the living flame."

I guess I think using only the words "devotion" (or "dedication") and "focus" doesn't address the deeply spiritual component.

Maybe this quote attributed to Dawn Bodrogi comes closer to what I intuitively sense about her:

“Vesta doesn’t go to extremes unless its badly aspected. Her natural state is interior wholeness. She’s the keeper of the inner flame, she doesn’t care about externals. That’s what gives her strength–it all comes from a deep, inner core and she doesn’t struggle with it. It’s her devotion to the rightness within herself that is her purpose. She’s intact.”

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Yes, I like that quote.
When I go inside to that place where I suppose Vesta resides within me, it`s centred. There are no doubts, no second guessing, just dedication to what is, a feeling of being absolutely PRESENT.
Did anyone notice, too, who the word "present" describes not only the timeframe, but is aso used to describe a "gift", something you give to others?

Anyway, this sacred flame, it is sacred, because it is "whole", "undivided".
In a way it is also the lack of alternatives, not a sad thought, but because this is the RIGHT thing to do, the right path to walk.
Dedication. Devotion.
And at least for me this comes with a deep feeling of warmth.

posted March 21, 2014 04:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
That makes a whole lot of sense

Btw,
I have to say I appreciate you taking the time to look at everyone's charts, Ceri

Thank you

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posted March 21, 2014 04:27 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I hope you're feeling better, Delilah. Rest easy; we'll be here when you recover.

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Yes, hope you recover soon Delilah,

posted March 21, 2014 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Oddly enough, I see [b]why ALMA-JUNO is a central component of the Twin Flame mission now. Why it keeps popping up. It didn't hit me until iQ's analysis regarding my individual missions in this life.

I was noticing last night how Fate's and my crazy-close conjunction in our composite stems from our natal mutual ALMA-JUNO conjunctions:

08º LIB 04' | JUNO
08º LIB 37' | ALMA

(And let's not forget his are on VINDEMIATRIX.)

03º LIB 37'
04º LIB 13'

His are within minutes, and yet, it's central to me. I can only imagine it is for him, too.

Since mine is on SGC and SATURN, mine, specifically, is:

'Identification and critical analysis of all physical and religious restrictions that prevent the human soul from understanding multidimensional existences and love and relationships across multiple incarnations.'

Well, I'm glad that's a big part of why I'm here, because I'm already obsessive about it! Heh.

Honestly, though, does that not smack very much of the Twin Flame mission?

I think JUNO-ALMA is a feature of this being part of the soul's mission in the present incarnation.

Now. Here's what made it all click for me.

I noticed my JUNO is parallel only one thing in his chart.

His VESTA.

0º S 17' and 0º S 49'.

There's a reason this is as amazing as it is, and it has to do with another of my soul missions.

(Not to mention the fact he ALSO has ALMA-JUNO means the above applies to him, too, but minus the 'critical analysis' - as that's my Virgo Rising. It'd be something regarding his Aquarius Rising.)

That is:

'Personal transformation of your maternal nature through Soulmate relationships and ultimately, Twin Flame Relationship.' (LIBRA 2H SUN-PLUTO.)

Wow. There it is.

As we were musing on VESTA last night, I just recently looked his up again:

17º LIB 07'

It's 2º conjunct my SUN; it hooks right into that particular soul mission.

AND its parallel to my JUNO links to the one just above it!

Forgive my saying so, but - WOW.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that our natal soul missions will represent Twin Flame-based goals, AND there will be strong synastric aspects to them.

While it's completely logical, I can't help but smile and enjoy a relieved sigh when I see how our ALMA-JUNO are not making synastric conjunctions; instead, are linked directly to our composite ALMA-JUNO.

08º LIB 04' | JUNO - 03º LIB 37 | ALMA = 04º67
08º LIB 04' | JUNO - 04º LIB 13 | JUNO = 03º91

08º LIB 37' | ALMA - 03º LIB 37 | ALMA = 05º00
08º LIB 37' | ALMA - 04º LIB 13 | JUNO = 04º24

Way too wide.

But ...

06º LIB 07'5' | ALMA/JUNO:

08º LIB 04 | JUNO = 1º97
08º LIB 37 | ALMA = 2º30

03º LIB 37' | ALMA = 2º70
04º LIB 13' | JUNO = 1º94

There's something wonderfully synergistic about that.[/B]

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posted March 21, 2014 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
I can't quite put my finger on it, and I can't put it into words, but there is something about Vesta, perhaps especially when she aspects another person's chart, that is deeper and goes beyond "devotion" and "focus."

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Yes, it is deep, and I think that's why we're struggling to articulate it.

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She is also keeper of the sacred flame; if this quote from Ovid I found is accurate “Conceive of Vesta as naught but the living flame."

I guess I think using only the words "devotion" (or "dedication") and "focus" doesn't address the deeply spiritual component.

Maybe this quote attributed to Dawn Bodrogi comes closer to what I intuitively sense about her:

“Vesta doesn’t go to extremes unless its badly aspected. Her natural state is interior wholeness. She’s the keeper of the inner flame, she doesn’t care about externals. That’s what gives her strength–it all comes from a deep, inner core and she doesn’t struggle with it. It’s her devotion to the rightness within herself that is her purpose. She’s intact.”

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I really like this too.