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Lavender CrystalSwan
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posted March 28, 2014 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lavender CrystalSwan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I`ve been coming across this before. One of the better articles actually.

However I don`t agree to only use oppositions/ contrascions.


Because as far I define twinflames they are the same or a very closely mirrored soul, but with a complementary energy/ expression/ frequency; you have the core that is twin-like, but one is predominantly Yin, the other Yang.


While that might be expressed in oppositions (not really sure though), I was more thinking about having the Yin-Yang-objects coupled, unified.

Which actually means conjunctions or antiscis of complementary bodies.

Sun conjunct Moon
Isis conjunct Osiris
Siva conjunct Parvati.

But maybe it could also be like stated in the article. I keep an eye on both actually.


Yes, exactly my thoughts as well.

Twin Souls are similar in frequency (they have the same core) and yet they are complementary energetically/gender wise at the same time.

Therefore it'd make sense that they have a balance of both conjunctions/oppositions, antiscia/contra-antiscia, parallel/contra-parellel aspects.

Like you said, its a unision of yin/yang energies.

Plus they are called "twins" for a reason. hehe

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posted March 28, 2014 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lavender CrystalSwan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tgem:

I don't get the antiscia thing though..not sure how to calculate it.

Oh its easy.

You just have to know what the mirror signs are for each sign.

They are:

Sign-----Antiscia/Contra-antiscia
Aries ~ Virgo/Pisces
Taurus ~ Leo/Aqua
Gemini ~ Cancer/Capricorn
Cancer ~ Gemini/Sag
Leo ~ Taurus/Scorpio
Virgo ~ Aries/Libra
Libra ~ Pisces/Virgo
Scorpio ~ Aqua/Leo
Sagittarius ~ Capricorn/Cancer
Capricorn ~ Sagittarius/Gemini
Aquarius ~ Scorpio/Taurus
Pisces ~ Libra/Aries

Then you just take the degree and second of a placement and subtract it from 29.60


I'll give my Sun as an example: Virgo 8°17

So,
29.60 – 8.17 = 21.43

Virgo's antiscia sign is Aries, and contra-antiscia sign is Libra

Therefor,
my Sun's mirror degrees fall on Aries/Libra 21°43

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posted March 28, 2014 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:

Plus they are called "twins" for a reason. hehe

My exact thought. haha.
Why call them twins if they really are opposites?

I also agree with what you said there, balance of conjunction/ opposition, antiscion / contrascion, parallel/contraparallel.


T-Gem;
antiscion-degrees are mirrorpoints, equidistant from the tropical of Capricorn-Cancer, the solstice.

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posted March 28, 2014 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
http://www.ncgr-turkey.com/astrology_and_reincarnation.htm

highly recommeded, as his book "Yesterday`s sky".


I have jupiter square my aries/libra nodal axis (skipped step) and it conjuncts my cancer ASC. No planets conjunct my nodal axis though. NN in 4th, SN in 10th.

I think I'm supposed to focus on my partnerships and family rather than a high profile career. Problem is, I did that (sacrificed my career- 12th house moon and venus) to focus on my family and my marriage/family still fell apart. Ugh...I don't it.

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posted March 28, 2014 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Oh its easy.

You just have to know what the mirror signs are for each sign.

They are:

Sign-----Antiscia/Contra-antiscia
Aries ~ Virgo/Pisces
Taurus ~ Leo/Aqua
Gemini ~ Cancer/Capricorn
Cancer ~ Gemini/Sag
Leo ~ Taurus/Scorpio
Virgo ~ Aries/Libra
Libra ~ Pisces/Virgo
Scorpio ~ Aqua/Leo
Sagittarius ~ Capricorn/Cancer
Capricorn ~ Sagittarius/Gemini
Aquarius ~ Scorpio/Taurus
Pisces ~ Libra/Aries

Then you just take the degree and second of a placement and subtract it from 29.60


I'll give my Sun as an example: Virgo 8°17

So,
29.60 – 8.17 = 21.43

Virgo's antiscia sign is Aries, and contra-antiscia sign is Libra

Therefor,
my Sun's mirror degrees fall on Aries/Libra 21°43


OHHH, I get it now...thanks 😁

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posted March 28, 2014 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Yes, exactly my thoughts as well.

Twin Souls are similar in frequency (they have the same core) and yet they are complementary energetically/gender wise at the same time.

Therefore it'd make sense that they have a balance of both conjunctions/oppositions, antiscia/contra-antiscia, parallel/contra-parellel aspects.

Like you said, its a unision of yin/yang energies.

Plus they are called "twins" for a reason. hehe


I agree with this completely. Along with our 7 oppositions, we have 5 conjunctions. 4 out of 5 are parallel.

So that makes total sense about the yin/yang.

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posted March 28, 2014 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Tgem,

*hugs*
I know how you feel

But you must trust and have faith.
It wouldn't make you love for him any less if the cards proved otherwise right?

Astrology, tarot, numerology etc cannot draw any conclusions on weather or not someone is your TwinFlame, though they certainly are useful secondary tools to help guide you.
But they alone aren't THE answer.

Only you hold the answer within you.
Your soul knows, you can't deny that inner knowing/recognition.

So trust that.


Also,

If I may ask, which cards came up for you in the reading?


No she forgot, but she did remember the 9 of wands being prevalent.

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posted March 28, 2014 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-waJt4r5oHqc/UNFdu2mHX6I/AAAAAAAAA_g/AmMO5GLuNWg/s1600/antiscia_table.gif&imgrefurl=http://advanced-charts.blogspot.com/ 2012/12/antiscia-contra-antiscia-equinoctial.html&h=386&w=235&tbnid=xU607rdP390YMM:&zoom=1&tbnh=90&tbnw=55&usg=__0SuVtlPRA25fOS1ha2tLmBEiC6c=&docid=ol34MuiooQASxM&sa=X&ei=0aA1U466D oTNtAaQ-oGQAw&ved=0CDsQ9QEwATgK&dur=448


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posted March 28, 2014 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tgem:
I have jupiter square my aries/libra nodal axis (skipped step) and it conjuncts my cancer ASC. No planets conjunct my nodal axis though. NN in 4th, SN in 10th.

I think I'm supposed to focus on my partnerships and family rather than a high profile career. Problem is, I did that (sacrificed my career- 12th house moon and venus) to focus on my family and my marriage/family still fell apart. Ugh...I don't it.



you probably have to analyse it more thoroughly, and I don´t think sacrificing anything is ever the right path.
But that is just my personal opinion.

Also, have you read the article?
HE suggests, an I agree, starting with the sign and houseposition and then add piece for piece.

However i was thinking more in terms of a composite.


For me personally.

NN in Sagittarius in 1st house, conj. ASC, Neptune and Mars.
Jupitr in Pisces in 3rd house being the skipped step AND showing how I can fulfill my purpose (as ruler of NN).


But actually I would have to start from the SN. SN in Gemini in 7th house, ruler of SN conjunct Sun in Sagittarius in 1st.


Jupiter in Pisces in 3rd house squaring my Gemini-South Node.
Neptune opposing my Gemini - South- Node.

To make it short, Is uppos in the past I surrendered too easily to other peoples´thoughts and opinions, maybe being too gullible, and also too analytical in relationships, making the heart and soul go missing. Also doubts were probably a negative thing.

Jupiter in Pisces in 3rd house squaring this - too easily influenced by mentors, which might even have been wellmeaning, but were leading me astray nevertheless. Or my dependence on someone telling me what to think prevented me from developing thoughts of my own. These "teachers/ gurus/ mentors", this getting too easily influenced by others thoughts is something I have to work on. Also giving my own thoughts more depths (it is of course MY job to solve the skipped step).

Neptune on the NN plays into it, seens as opp from SN, it is what was denied to me, what stayed out of reach - and hence as to be strived for in THIS life.
In this case a true deep spirituality.

I mean seriously how can bcome really spiritually, if you are repeating phrases like a parrot (Gemini SN squaring Jupiter in 3rd hoiuse). And at the same time I was probably sporting an inflated Ego (ruler of SN conjunct Sun).


Just one layer of my nodal structure.

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posted March 28, 2014 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I didnt know that. Why is that?


Well, to go with Cochrane, planetary orbits make beautiful patterns and because of the immense gravity fields of Jupiter and Saturn there are safe, stable orbits near them for small bodies. I guess we can call them the Jupiter- and Saturn family asteroids.
And so, when you get a same-phase angle (after appr. 19 years) between those 2 Giants heliocentrically you will get a repetition of alignments between the same asteroid pairs, Jupiter and Saturn.

And so then the same angle will occur, not only between Saturn-Saturn and Jupiter-Jupiter but also Juno-Juno, Vesta-Vesta, Ceres-Ceres.. and many more .. which all causes (synastrically) midpoint-to-midpoint alignments (conjunct or opposed midpoint between the same pairs) AND same-phase angles (mixed midpoint alignments)...

And so you would say that many of the smaller bodies can be traced back to the phase angle of Jupiter and Saturn .. very interesting.

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posted March 28, 2014 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well, to go with Cochrane, planetary orbits make beautiful patterns and because of the immense gravity fields of Jupiter and Saturn there are safe, stable orbits near them for small bodies. I guess we can call them the Jupiter- and Saturn family asteroids.
And so, when you get a same-phase angle (after appr. 19 years) between those 2 Giants heliocentrically you will get a repetition of alignments between the same asteroid pairs, Jupiter and Saturn.

And so then the same angle will occur, not only between Saturn-Saturn and Jupiter-Jupiter but also Juno-Juno, Vesta-Vesta, Ceres-Ceres.. and many more .. which all causes (synastrically) midpoint-to-midpoint alignments (conjunct or opposed midpoint between the same pairs) AND same-phase angles (mixed midpoint alignments)...

And so you would say that many of the smaller bodies can be traced back to the phase angle of Jupiter and Saturn .. very interesting.


Wow! I did not know that, but it is VERY interesting, absolutely.


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posted March 28, 2014 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
T-gem

thank you for clearing up that Sabian for me. I didn`t know that but will keep it in mind.


Interestingly in the composite with my GS, whom I had thought to be the One for many years and suffering from it, before falling into some sort of numbness, we have composite TRISTAN on 17°40 Libra, which seems more than just fitting.
ISOLDA on 17°43 Aquarius is perfectly trine.

What makes it even more amazing is two things:

composite ISOLDA Is ocnjunct my natal Moon on 17 Aquarius and his SN on 16 Aquarius.

composite TRISTAN is opposite his natal Sun on 16 Aries and trines my KARMA and squares my Saturn.


Secondly I have the square between Tristan and Isolda natally, he has the quinkunx, and Tristan is additionally conjunct Lancelot (in Leo).

Furthermore his TRISTAN is trine my ISOLDA exactly, and his ISOLDA is conjunct my TRISTAN by 2 degrees.

definitely goosebumpworthy.

And not it shouldn`t be in this life. I have let it go, thoroughly, but it wsa quite a journey to get there.

"Composite mars @ Lib 26'50 opposite venus @ Ari 28'48"
I love that. For several reasons actually.
First of all I find it interesting how we BOTH have composite North Node in Libra and South Node in Aries.

Secondly this means that Venus and Mars, ttwo strong archetypical symbols of the feminine and masculine are the nodal rulers. How could love and attraction and relationship NOT be a part of the path of this connection, no matter how it will be resolved in the end?

Also, what I find amazing about yours is that there is this mutual reception.
Venus, is ruled by Mars (loves Mars); Mars is ruled by Venus (Mr Sag and me have something similiar in the composite. Mars is ruled by Venus. Venus in the exaltation of Mars, so Mars listens to Venus, as does EROS btw, while VEnus (and Psyche) listen to Saturn.
And Saturn is in the 7th house conjunct Vertex. LOL

Anyway I disgres. So Venus and Mars are ruled by each other in your case. Interesting how they are the nodal rulers, AND they are opposite each other even.
Mars trines mercury, sesquisquare jupiter and vertex, conjunct Pallas, opposite Amor and semi-square Anubis. It also widely opposes Chiron @ 4 degrees.Within 2 degrees, which is very close for a planetary aspect.
The past and the future are very strongly entertwined with each other in your case. I am not exactly sure what consequences that is going to have. But there is just such a strong connection there.

"However Venus is the ruler of our NN and venus conjuncts Chiron and Amor and trines Juno exact so that's good!"
Yes VERY good actually.

Interestingly I have AMOR conjunct NN in Libra and you have the NN-ruler conjunct AMOR, so for both of us love is part of the path. For you it is through the unconditional love and healing that you can actualize your purpose. For me it is probably more like the unconditional love is part of the purpose itself. (something that was denied to us in the past, as Amor opposes the South Node).

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posted March 29, 2014 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder if our composites feature the personal relationship planets as nodal rulers more frequently, which would be the case of these nodal axis:

Libra-Aries
Cancer-Capricorn

possibly Taurus-Scorpio as well


And what are the nodal rulers doing? Falling into Libra, Aries, Taurus, Scorpio?
Conjunct Venus, Mars or Pluto?
being in dignity of Venus, Mars or Pluto (rulership and exaltation especially).
Aspecting Venus, Mars or Pluto?

(I am more erotically inclined today, for someone who feels more mature presently, maybe Sun, Moon or Saturn would take the cake ):


EDIT:

Aries: Mars (ruler), Sun (exaltation)
Taurus: Venus (ruler), Moon (exaltation)
Cancer: Moon (ruler)
Leo: Sun (ruler)
Libra: Venus (ruler), Saturn (exaltation)
Scorpio: Mars and Pluto (ruler)
Capricorn: Saturn (ruler), Mars (exaltation)
Pisces: Venus (exaltation)


to conclude:


Venus is well received/ liked/ adored/ loved by planets and asteroids falling in :
Taurus, Cancer, Libra, Pisces

Mars:
Aries, Leo, Scorpio, Capricorn

Sun:
Aries, Leo

Moon:
Taurus, Cancer

Saturn:
Libra, Capricorn

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posted March 29, 2014 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Ceri thank you soooo much for clearing this up! It all definitely makes sense and does look positive. So interesting how our composites are so similar (yet different.). Everything totally makes sense. I should check how Tristan and Isolda aspect our natals..didn't do that. So interesting how your GS composite had Lib 18 as well! To me it just proves we (all) are on such a similar path! Sometimes it seems like it's so similar that maybe everyone has similar aspects like this....but then it registers how truly rare and unique we 7 or 8 are (and have DEFINITELY come together ourselves for a divine purpose.). I know God has brought is together to help us through this mission/journey while our males try to get their act together They say the feminine energy is the one who usually awakens and realizes the connection first (with the exception of superman, which I think is so special and interesting that it seems he awakened first.). LOVE hearing things from the male perspective.

My Valentine on your natal name asteroid just strengthens my theory

Anyway you said that your composte NN was at 20 Lib?
Where is your natal NN? What's the sabian?

Mine's @ Lib 5' 12 in my 4th.
Sabian for 6Lib:
PHASE 186 (LIBRA 6°): A MAN WATCHES HIS IDEALS TAKING A CONCRETE FORM BEFORE HIS INNER VISION.

KEYNOTE: The need to visualize clearly one's dreams or ideals in order to make them truly effectual.

According to a French proverb, "What is well conceived can easily be formulated." The process of interior visualization can be quite essential, except in the case of a creative individual who has become a totally pure channel for the descent of spiritual Power, and a clear lens through which the Archetype in the Mind of Man (or God) can be projected without distortion wherever needed. In other cases the creative act is less direct: a man projects into the world what he has "seen" reflected on the screen of his individualized consciousness.

This is the first stage of the thirty-eighth five-fold sequence of symbolized phases in the process of individualized existence. It is a phase of INTERIOR FORMULATION in preparation for a creative projection of one's ideals or concepts.

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posted March 29, 2014 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow so I just checked my progressed chart- get this!

My progressed NN is sitting at Libra 2'09
Pro Pluto sitting on Libra 13'56
Pro IC @ Libra 14'47
Pro Anubis @ Lib 16'33

That's a serious Libra stellium!!

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posted March 29, 2014 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
t-Gem,

"So interesting how our composites are so similar (yet different.). "
I thought he same.

Actually I deteced a peculiar pattern involving my composite nodes, but have to mull about it a bit before noting it down here.

Well, I`ve been feeling strange for the last few days. I can`t quite describe it, not a bad feeling per se,b ut like something`s brewing.
A strong pulling at my heart chakra, but no feeling of frustration or sadness or numbness (that I had earlier when he was spending some days with his gf. lol Sometimes I feel like I am TOO much in tune. Some things I quite do not need to know).


For now it feels, I dont know, like the minutes before something happens, before the fences are pulled up in a race, just that I do not intend to race.

Maybe I am simply nervous because of monday`s vocal training, though that doesn`t make sense. It is just a one time course at our school (the teacher comes from another town though, coincidentally HIS hometown. lol)

But I don`t know, maybe it is just spring.

Also today the cd of "Artus-Excalibur" arrived, and I thought maybe if it did that would make that feeling stop. But it didn`t, so this was not it I guess.
No clue. Just weird, but i guess I will know later.
At least it isn`t negative, it is just some sort of anticiaption, nervosity, excitement (but from a calm place), I don´t know. Did I mention it was strange? lol
I also get the feeling like there was something important that i need to remember, that I still have to do, but I completely forgot what it was.


"ometimes it seems like it's so similar that maybe everyone has similar aspects like this....but then it registers how truly rare and unique we 7 or 8 are (and have DEFINITELY come together ourselves for a divine purpose.). "
Yes, I think so, too.
I do think that probably similiar soul connections will have similiar markers as well (otherwise we would not be able to spot them in a chart); however since we are all individuals, they cannot be exactly the same.


"Where is your natal NN? What's the sabian?"
It depends if we use the mean or true one.

Mean NN and Neptune. 9°19 Sagittarius
A THEATRICAL REPRESENTATION OF A GOLDEN HAIRED GODDESS OF OPPORTUNITY
Rewards, awards, acclaim and beauty are all the promise of this degree. There could be an offer that looks too good to refuse, and it could be full of promise, but it should still be looked at carefully. It can be something of a reward for you, in which case it can lead to bigger and better things. However, it could be just idle chatter, with no basis in reality. Someone or something may seem to be the answer to your dreams - and indeed it may well turn out to be a grand adventure with a big reward.
Distinguishing reality from theatre. Feeling that the 'world is your stage'. Playing out a story. Acting out impulses. Dramatizations. Opportunities that seem too good to resist.
The Caution: Shallow adoration. Propaganda. Constantly chasing 'things' that come to nothing. Judging people by their appearances only.

And the true Node is on 10.09 Sagittarius
IN THE LEFT SECTION OF AN ARCHAIC TEMPLE, A LAMP BURNS IN A CONTAINER SHAPED LIKE A HUMAN BODY
This pictures a need for linking the spirit and the body. Logic is not involved in this equation, this speaks of emotions, spirit and physicality. Sometimes we need to remember to be 'in our bodies' and this shows the rewards that can come from regarding our body as our temple.
Connecting the left and right sides. Yoga. Grounding reality. Working out.
The Caution: Rationalizing intuitive thought until it is rejected. Being caught up in the illusion of the "physical self".


I think the true Node might be a ltile more fitting though, at least in terms of my path.


"Mine's @ Lib 5' 12 in my 4th.
Sabian for 6Lib: "
My Draco KARMA is at 5.55 LIbra, and my tropical MC is on 4.58 Libra. lol

My MC Sabian is that:

"A MAN TEACHING THE TRUE INNER KNOWLEDGE OF THE NEW WORLD TO HIS STUDENTS
This symbol implies the "channeling" of pure instinctual knowledge. Information is available to you and others. Insight, knowledge and experience are present. Conventional certifications of knowledge are not important, it's what's being brought through that's important.
Looking within. Being a guiding light for others. Seeking the truth. Teachers of the 'New World'.
The Caution: Dogmatism, feeling that one has the only true answer. Do you have the `ears' to listen?"

Wow! Talk about big responsibility there. sounds like a bit much

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posted March 29, 2014 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Wow so I just checked my progressed chart- get this!

My progressed NN is sitting at Libra 2'09
Pro Pluto sitting on Libra 13'56
Pro IC @ Libra 14'47
Pro Anubis @ Lib 16'33

That's a serious Libra stellium!!


Yes, but quite widely spread. What happened when pr Pluto was exactly conjunct oyur pr IC?

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Yes, but quite widely spread. What happened when pr Pluto was exactly conjunct oyur pr IC?

May 24th, 2013: the day my husband filed for divorce!!!
Pro IC Libra 13'53
Pro Pluto Libra 13'56

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May 24th, 2013: the day my husband filed for divorce!!!
Pro IC Libra 13'53
Pro Pluto Libra 13'56

Yes, I was thinking something along these lines. Pluto on the IC can mean a total destruction of the homebase; of course the purpose of it is to transform the soul.

Pluto only burns away what is unreal, the concepts we (our mind-Self) cling to to feel more safe somehow, to be secure of our place in the world. But Pluto demands to have a HARD look at of what is REALLY underneath it all. If it is really what your soul needs, than it will further the growth, make people coming closer to each other.
But if it is not, if something is past its sellingdate, and we somhow did not pay attention (maybe out of fear of th eunknown), then Pluto will take it away. The very ground beyond our feet.

Though it probably is to our spiritual best and nudging you into the right direction, when it happens, it hurts like hell. We do not want to let go of our past, even if we know that this is what it is, in the past. Things that have passed.

It can feel utterly destructive and humiliating, but fortunately in most cases we will rise like Phoenix from the ashes from this. But to do that something has to go, be eliminated, burned away.


Or something like that. lol

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posted March 29, 2014 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ironically, transit Saturn is conjunct my natal vertex in 5th house Scorpio right now. My vertex is very widely conjunct Uranus (5) and semi-sextile neptune (2.). Anti-vertex is conjunct my sun. Found this info. when researching the transit and thought I would share:

"Before getting to the analysis of the vertex it’s good to give a quick interpretation in terms of its position in the natal chart. In fact, among other things, this also tells us the type of “destined relationship” we need to live to be able to evolve to the next level emotionally and spiritually through distancing ourselves from links and conditioning that come from previous lives. Generally speaking the activation of the vertex happens with transits in conjunction with, and secondarily the square and opposition of Saturn, Chiron and Uranus.

Saturn transits point to the possibility of having to sacrifice something that we consider important in our life because it turns out to be the greatest obstacle to finding (or refinding) our twin soul. The meeting presented in this transit at the beginning seems difficult. It makes us nervous, misunderstood, we have the feeling to have made a huge mistake but then with time we understand that these feelings are no more than defenses and that our sentimental life can now truly go forward towards long lasting solidity and resolution of deep conflicts that go back to past lives."

Vertex in the 5th house: Generally in this position the individual lives a full emotional life and tends to give a lot of space to passion. It might be that all of a sudden in this person’s life a partner can completely change your existence pushing you towards extremes.
The person with this position of the vertex doesn’t resist even one hour of love and doesn’t shy away from the possible emotional risks that come along. A more calm and balanced approach, and even the possibility to find the twin soul can come through a saturn vertex conjunction transit.


Astrologers often have Uranus and/or Neptune in close contact with the Vertex. Our own host, Noel Tyl, has Vertex in Scorpio quindecile Uranus in the 11th house. It seems he was destined to re-discover this very important aspect (the quindecile) and present it to the astrological community.

For those with a natal Vertex highlighted there is usually one powerful period of destiny in the life that is designed to awaken the person to a wider reality.

Must add that Cusp has natal vertex in 8th house Cancer sextile/trine his MC/IC axis. I have mentioned before on my birthday in 2011 he took a bunch of us out to celebrate and I'm pretty convinced that was the night we fell head over heels for each other. That night his transit Chiron was tightly trine his natal vertex and conjunct his IC. I found the following info:

"Vertex in the 8th house: In many cases the sentimental life of these people seems rather temultuous and torturous without any routine or domestic warmth. These people have a rather idiosynchratic approach to these joys because their ideal relationship is definitely unusual and non alligned with what is traditionally considered necessary and satisfying for a couple. These people are attracted by “different” partners something unusual, intriguing that would allow a relationship full of surprises and drama. It is the transit of Chiron to act as a stimulator. To bring into the lives of these people the partner able to satisfy their intelligence and curiosity."

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posted March 29, 2014 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, I was thinking something along these lines. Pluto on the IC can mean a total destruction of the homebase; of course the purpose of it is to transform the soul.

Pluto only burns away what is unreal, the concepts we (our mind-Self) cling to to feel more safe somehow, to be secure of our place in the world. But Pluto demands to have a HARD look at of what is REALLY underneath it all. If it is really what your soul needs, than it will further the growth, make people coming closer to each other.
But if it is not, if something is past its sellingdate, and we somhow did not pay attention (maybe out of fear of th eunknown), then Pluto will take it away. The very ground beyond our feet.

Though it probably is to our spiritual best and nudging you into the right direction, when it happens, it hurts like hell. We do not want to let go of our past, even if we know that this is what it is, in the past. Things that have passed.

It can feel utterly destructive and humiliating, but fortunately in most cases we will rise like Phoenix from the ashes from this. But to do that something has to go, be eliminated, burned away.


Or something like that. lol


HA!!! So completely appropriate... You just summarized the last two years of my life perfectly...astrology....sigh...again just floors me...

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posted March 29, 2014 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The day I first set a step into the Weight WAtchers-course (21st november 2012), it was a step towards a total lifechange. Not that WW really was making that change, it was more or less a tool to facilitate the change, that came out of me.
AT that point I sort of knew either I did take that chance or I would die. There was no other option anymore. No, I wasn`t having a medical disease or something like that, but I just FELT that I could not go back to how things were before, only forwards. And I have never regretted it.
I had to burn a lot of strange selfconceptions about myself on the way, and what other people think of me. Pluto definitely forced me there, and it was exhausting, and it started as a big fight at home (with my parents), too.

But it was for the good. The funny thing is at the same day the **** hit the fan at home, I had been at school the morning for Parent`s day, and my pupils were performing a little play (on Latin!), that i had been doing with them beside school.

The play was "Pyramus et Thisbe", and of course it was not to my choice that I was doing that, I was pushed to, and didn`T have the strength to say No.
It was chaos, toolittle time, but it was one of the best experiences in my life as well, and it gave a lot more depth to the relationship between those pupils who participated and me (actually some other pupils later on admitted they regretted not having been part of it).

Yes, and after that creative success, there was the big fight at home, and it was big.
And I toook 2 days to mull it over, and decided it is time to behave like a grown-up and take responsibility for my own life, as if I don´t live it, noone else will do for me, or can do for me.

And it was an insight and decision in an instant. the time it takes to snap your fingers. I suppose someone of my guides DID snap their fingers and said: "You`re awake now".


The day this happend TR Uranus on 4.54 was precisely conjunct my natal IC on 4.58 Aries

(I walked into the WW-meeting 4 days later)


Pr Pluto: 9.12 LIbra
n Pluto: 9.04 Libra

pr ASC: 8.58 Capricorn
pr PROSERPINA: 9.12 Capricorn

Tr Pluto: 7.50 Capricorn
exactly conjunct n OSIRIS on 7.50 Capricorn


Tr OSIRIS himself was on 24.15 Sag on my MERLIN, and would reach the GC And a conjunction to my Sun by 2 minutes the day I started the WW-program.

Tr ISIS On 9.54 Sagittarius was very clearly conjunct my n Neptune and n NN on 10.09 Sag, and my pr VALENTINE on 10.27 Sag


Tr NN was conjunct my SIVA with half a degree, and also conjuncted my n VALÉNTINE by 1 degree.

my pr Moon had JUST moved into Cancer with Tr Ceres conjunct (still in my 6th house at that time). It actually crossed the DESC a few weeks after seeing Mr Sag last march, and when it did. it was being joined by Transiting Moon on my pr DESC and transiting Pluto on my pr ASC. lol


It definitely was quite a year.

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posted March 29, 2014 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Ceri that's crazy!!! You're right- someone definitely snapped their fingers with that tr Uranus over your IC! Well it sure did pay off- your look great - you feel great and as we said before- you're ready! Now is the time- cant wait to see what happens

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posted March 29, 2014 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
T-gem

"Vertex in the 8th house: In many cases the sentimental life of these people seems rather temultuous and torturous without any routine or domestic warmth. These people have a rather idiosynchratic approach to these joys because their ideal relationship is definitely unusual and non alligned with what is traditionally considered necessary and satisfying for a couple. These people are attracted by “different” partners something unusual, intriguing that would allow a relationship full of surprises and drama. It is the transit of Chiron to act as a stimulator. To bring into the lives of these people the partner able to satisfy their intelligence and curiosity."


Thank you for this.


I have Vertex in Cancer in 8th house as well, though I DID have a lot of domestic warmth, always, but it was family-warmth. I did stay away from romantic relationships.

in my chart Vertex is losely conjunct Saturn (orb: 4°33) and also parallel Vertex (orb: 0°13).


it is part of a configuration that is sometimes called "God`s fist" or "Thor`s hammer" (where the Yod is said to nudge you into a direction, this one apparently hammers it into your brain. lol)


It is made of a square at the base and two sesisquares to a third planet.


Vertex squares Chiron and both sesisquare Mars-ASC.

Vertex-Chiron-square: 1°27
Vertex-Mars-sesissquare: 1°18
Vertex-ASC-sesisquare: 0°33
Chiron-Mars-sesissquare:1°18
Chiron-ASC-sesisquare: 1°59


midpoints:

Mars= Chiron/Vertex 0°35
ASC = Chiron/Vertex 1°16

but that is not all action with the VErtex


Vertex is also conjunct my EROS and opposite/conjunct my Sun/Moon-mp

Vertex-EROS: 0°28
Vertex = Sun/Moon: 0°03

Also

Vertex quindecile Venus 0°21

When I met Mr Sag

pr Venus, 5th ruler, conjunct pr AVX: 0°09
pr Mercury, 7th ruler, conjunct pr AVX: 0°10
(Venus and Mercury were conjunct by one minute)

n Moon, 8th ruler, conjunct pr AVX: 0°48

he was having natally

n Pluto, 8th ruler and in 7th, conjunct pr VX: 0°16

pr composite had:

pr c-Venus conjunct n-c-Antivertex 0.25
pr c-Venus conjunct n c PSyche 0°09, which is of course the position of both natal Psyches as well


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posted March 29, 2014 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tgem:
Wow Ceri that's crazy!!! You're right- someone definitely snapped their fingers with that tr Uranus over your IC! Well it sure did pay off- your look great - you feel great and as we said before- you're ready! Now is the time- cant wait to see what happens


Thanks.

I do feel pretty good about myself. Especially if I consider how I was just 2 years ago. And I do not wish to ever go back there again. no matter what transpires with Mr Sag - or not. THIS is something that can`t be taken away from me again, and for that I am happy.


On another note, I was watching "The black Rider" in our local theatre yesterday, and there was this song "Briar and Rose". I couldn`t quite make a sense of it, but something about it got "stuck".

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