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Topic: Twinflame Astrology: Techniques, Investigations, Validity
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 30, 2014 05:29 PM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: We need a life just to study these charts, and another one to actually be with the person
LOL As a matter of fact just a bit ago, I was zapping through the TV-channels and stumbled across the end sequence of "Only You" with Robert Downey Jr, the scene when she finally meets the one she had deemed her soulmate and been searching all through Italy I think, just because some soothsayer once told her her soulmate would have this name. And it is this moment she finally realizes that her soulmate has always (well for the time of her search at least) been with her and she almost lost him because she was clinging to the "idea of a soulmate". I find this to be very true actually. That is why now and then I stop and just listen to what my heart or gut or whatever is telling me. And actually it is only sionce a few months that I would even consider the possibility Mr Sag might be my soulmate, for all the years before he was "that weirdness, that is on my way, and makes things unpredictable, uncomfortable and so totally not like I planned it" Well, the film that was starting after this, was "Across the universe", and the main protagonist was named Jude. lol but sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence, right?
Well, I know what my heart is saying in the current timeframe, fixed ideas or not.
Crap, and now I can`t get Downey Jr, singing "Chances are" out of my pretty little head. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnQtSUbgFL0&list=PLE-DQCoDkipvJSep8JTCl6sjTQjTZXUhe
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tgem Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted March 30, 2014 05:37 PM
OMG that's like my favorite movie!!!!! I just watched it again for the millionth time!!!! I love that movie soooo much! And guess want? RDJ looks incredibly similar to Cusp!!! Even more so now if you've seen the latest Iron Man's. Anyway, so if you ever wondered what Cusp looked like, think RDJ...god I love him...shivers LOL 💓💓💓 IP: Logged |
tgem Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted March 30, 2014 05:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: I appreciate your sharing this. This is why we're studying these in-depth.For starters, I'm not sure I buy the theory regarding highly condensed geo-tropical composites. I've seen the reverse to be true; not just once, either. Many, many times. And, I must point out, that your composite is not like the one I have posted with my Twin Flame. Yes, you do have a stellium - in SCORPIO, no less! And it's in the 7H, which is a more common placement for such connexions and relationships. So why do I get the immediate sense of Soulmates? Perhaps the fact THAT it's in the 7H, and SCORPIO, and involving SUN-VENUS-LUST, and MOON-VALENTINE-MARS-VERTEX, and MERCURY-NEPTUNE. At first brush, this may be a similar, but it's VERY different. There's no contact between EROS and PSYCHE. PSYCHE is conjunct BML, however, at the top of the chart. To me that speaks of a deeply transformative experience in the area of raw sexuality. Very prominent, too. NNODE-VESTA in 8H is even further indicative of this. In short, this is a VERY intense, undeniably sexual composite. UNION-ANTEROS is the likely reason it came into being and was manifested into physical reality. AMOR-URANUS shows an unpredictability, fickle, on-again / off-again regarding something quite crucial in a love relationship: agape. Unconditional love. Here, in SCORPIO, it seems subject to the whims and moods of the sexual relationship. Sex really is the barometre for the whole thing here. The CERES-JUPITER is a good indication of genuine caring, compassion, and sympathy, trine VALENTINE-MARS. Actually, let's talk about VALENTINE. It's kind of a lynchpin here. VALENTINE is part of a very intense, clearly sexual stellium: MOON-MARS-VERTEX. It's emotional, volatile - and fated. I have no doubt that, when lessons are learnt, off you go. VALENTINE is conjunct MARS, however. Not the MOON. When it's good, it's AMAZING. When it's bad, it's HORRIBLE. That sort of thing. And SCORPIO is all about highs and lows. I can't say that MOON-VALENTINE is that much better - or would be here - with MARS. But it may at least add a sense of deep true love to your emotional portrait. You need that, I feel, to weather the rougher storms. What about SUN-VENUS-LUST? That may be the more stable one - except it's getting ticked by CHIRON from the 12H. Quincunx. Tight, too. Karma-city, that one. There's a necessity for adjustment at the very core of your relationship (SUN), how it expresses love and affection (VENUS) and its 'spark' (LUST). Hard to see, but it appears EROS is tightly trine AMOR-URANUS? If the very nature of your unconditional love is dependent upon freedom of expression, and the space and friendship you afford each other, it stands to reason that all-things-EROS might be part of that package, too. If all's well there, then all's well everywhere. And, contrariwise. If it ain't - it ain't. I can imagine the NEPTUNE-MERCURY brought some wonderful, telepathic, soulful communications. I think the KARMA-VESTA opposition is key to what you were here to do together. With NNODE-VESTA in the 8H, 'sexual devotion' might be a worthwhile phrase; NNODE there is only pushing you towards it. But what of KARMA opposing from the 2H? The 2H is an oft-overlooked house; represents our values. Self-esteem. What we have to offer others. What we hold dear. Our possessions. And what we DETERMINE as possessions. I think you both held on to each other too tightly in the past. AMOR-URANUS is saying, 'if you love it, set it free'. In the 6H, this is part of the 'service' this relationship was offering to the Grand Cosmic Scoreboard. KARMA, in GEMINI, as we know, is the two-which-is-one. Your karma's wrapped up in that. In what you term possessions. What you call 'MINE'. VESTA in devoted. But here, she's not aligned with your karma. She's pulling against it, desperate to devote herself to the resources OTHERS may provide. That which may be held JOINTLY. SATURN is hanging out in a loose quincunx as if to make absolutely sure you follow through on it, too - while throwing some nice trines to MOON, MARS-VALENTINE-VERTEX. Yes. You were absolutely meant - fated, I'd say - to meet, to love, to merge, and to bring greater understanding to the questions: what am I? What is Other? How do Self and Other join? How do they separate? What is MINE? What is OTHER'S? IS Other MINE? The answer should be: no. Other is NOT yours. Other is contracted to, or bound to, you. They do not BELONG to you. I have some similar things in another composite, actually. It's the one in which I'm learning a similar lesson. I should add, something that I'm becoming strangely certain about. There's GOT to be connexion between the SUN and MOON in such a composite. That doesn't make it one of Twin Flames - but it certainly increases the likelihood. Granted, the one I share with mine is a loose conjunction, indeed. But it's HOW the conjunction is taking place - and where. It conjoins JUPITER, on the ASC. It's linked with VENUS, then VALENTINE, which then links to MOON. VALENTINE is the link between JUPITER-SUN-VENUS, and MOON-MERCURY. The way it's nestled between VENUS and MOON, I think, matters a great deal. The VALENTINE in your chart points to - yes - a powerful, explosive, intensely karmic bonding. Soul-gripping, heart-rending kind of love. But a love that needed to ultimately learn not to cling so tightly.
Great analysis Indigo- always love to hear your thoughts..very interesting IP: Logged |
tgem Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted March 30, 2014 05:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: See, THAT I love. SUN conjunct MOON MOON septile SUN THAT is the essence of synergy. I learnt a while back that it'll either bowl us over synastrically, or in composite, or we have to dig deeper. People used to go, 'oh, no, HIS MOON conjunct HER SUN. The energies are all off!' This was 1950s-era thinking, I assure you. My father's MOON is on my mother's SUN, and their MOONs are conjunct. And ... oh, screw it. and GEO TROPICAL SYNASTRY: The adoration my father has for my mother is practically palpable. Needless to say, she turned away dozens of wealthy suitors - even a count - to marry the charming, hardworking rockstar. My grandparents were quite flummoxed, too. She had gotten a (gasp!) psychology degree! And, while from a good, very well-off family - he was touring the country with - (gasp!) a rock band! And - worst of all - he's a Catholic! (She grew up Methodist.) Yeah. Those were the times. 1974. 8th of June. This year will mark their 40th wedding anniversary. They're doing something right. The photo, incidentally, is from this past January when my father received a very high Masonic honour. It was an incredible ceremony. And I, as usual, was proud of them both.
Amazing Pic!! You can just sense the love and devotion...so beautiful..hit the heart chakra IP: Logged |
superman13 Knowflake Posts: 33 From: Registered: Jan 2014
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posted March 30, 2014 07:03 PM
I think the Composite MOON conjunct VALENTINE is a winner and connected to VERTEX LeeLoo. I am pretty sure I have that with this girl I know.I believe regardless of time that in synastry we have SUN opposite MOON exact. I am 110% sure, what is weird my DIANA and MENTOR asteriods aspects her MOON then. Wouldn't SUN opposite MOON be more towards TF's? the conjunct? MOON conjunct VALENTINE has to be the strongest asteriod connected with VALENTINE. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 30, 2014 07:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Indigo,your parents are GORGEOUS! Actually your mom seemed so familiar to me. It took men evne a few seconds to realize that as a matter of fact she resembles MY mom. lol Not too much to have them for sisters, but actually there are pictures of my Mom when she still had long hair (she is wearing it shorter today), from her youth, she was looking like a younger version of YOUR Mom. In fact my Dad has a black-and-white picture of her on his nightstand from her 20`s, and she was looking like some glamourous filmstar from the early ages of Hollywood. But even more so the loving vibration on that picture, yes, that is just how my parents "glow" when together, as well. They do have a Sun-Moon-opposition, and again, my Dad`s Moon in Taurus to Mum`s Scorpio Sun. "My father's MOON is on my mother's SUN, and their MOONs are conjunct. And ... oh, screw it." Wow! And Moon as well! nteresting Mr Sag and me share something similiar, just more solar oriented, as his Sun-Moon-conjunction falls onto my Sun. And as I mentioned my parents also had a Sun-Moon-aspect synastrically. "he was touring the country with - (gasp!) a rock band! And - worst of all - he's a Catholic! (She grew up Methodist.)" AH I LOVE That! " Yeah. Those were the times. 1974. 8th of June." My birth year. Not to mention the year my parents got married, just a few weeks before yours. 24th may. lol "This year will mark their 40th wedding anniversary. They're doing something right. " Yes. here, too. Right now they are planning their honeymoon-revival-trip to Italy
Again, this doesn't surprise me in the least. Man, we've got some photos to dig out. Can't believe I can't find the bridal one. The fact that their wedding charts are barely ten days off? Okay - that - doesn't surprise me, either ... but - WOW! Evidently that was a damned good time, too! They are such phenomenal people. They tell me - genuinely - I don't have to live up to them ... but I try! I want to, you see. And I know you get that. But you're also right about the two of us needing to stop playing anything but the lead actress in our own lives. It's our lives, for crying out loud! I can't nab the photos I really want to right now, but I've got something else ... www.aubianne.com/Files/Aria/tourlesharnellsleepingthoughtsofyou.mp3 www.aubianne.com/Files/Aria/tourlesharnellsoonerorlater.mp3 www.aubianne.com/Files/Aria/tourlesharnellaforecastintime.mp3 www.aubianne.com/Files/Aria/tourlesharnellflyingdutchman.mp3 I'm gonna bet they're all from 1974-1976. Recorded in my father's studio (the same one in which he recorded Eric Clapton and The Pointer Sisters - back in the day). The first one is sung by my father's long-standing best friends - I'm pretty sure he said it was 1967, at the ceremony. (He was actually the MC.) They're the ones who were also on American Bandstand together a few years before this recording; Orpheus cover of 'Can't Find The Time' which became a hit record. The vocals for the other three are supplied by my mother. All songs written by my father, naturally. And the Aquarianness is pretty prominent. 'Sooner or Later' is about astral travelling, as my mother was taking him on some pretty amazing trips then. They're all really something, though, and just felt like sharing them. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 30, 2014 07:11 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: lol but sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence, right?
And here I thought you were learning things! ;P IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 2053 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted March 30, 2014 07:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by superman13: I think the Composite MOON conjunct VALENTINE is a winner and connected to VERTEX LeeLoo. I am pretty sure I have that with this girl I know.I believe regardless of time that in synastry we have SUN opposite MOON exact. I am 110% sure, what is weird my DIANA and MENTOR asteriods aspects her MOON then. Wouldn't SUN opposite MOON be more towards TF's? the conjunct? MOON conjunct VALENTINE has to be the strongest asteriod connected with VALENTINE.
Thanks, superman, but this is the composite with my ex. So you see, not even the greatest of aspects in a composite can replace a weaker synastry. I believe both Moon conjunct Sun and Moon opposite Sun are superstrong. It is also important, IMO, to look for the aspects the natal chart (of each person) needs more to feel completed. IP: Logged |
HiddenAries Newflake Posts: 17 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted March 30, 2014 07:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: Hello, "twinflamers" Another idea I've been picking from several readings: twinflames MUST have something significant in Gemini (in synastry/composite, especially a composite Gemini Sun/maybe Moon)), since one of the meanings of being born a Gemini is the karma of finding your "twin" soul.
I think it should be important to note that there is a difference between tropical Gemini (May 21 - June 21) and the constellation Gemini which is in the sign Cancer in tropical. The two main fixed stars that make up the Gemini constellation are Pollux (currently at 23°25'CAN) and Castor (at 20°27'CAN), whom in Greek and Roman mythology were twin brothers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_%28astrology%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_%28constellation%29 http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Pollux.html http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Castor.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castor_and_Pollux Does this indicate a connection between TFs and the fixed stars Pollux and Castor? Also I was wondering, in my own composite we have Mars at 24°CAN, which sits right between fixed stars Pollux(~23°CAN) and Procyon(~25°CAN). We also have ASC at 15°42'CAN conjunction fixed star SIRIUS at 13°58' (opposite Neptune/VALENTINE at 14°CAP Conjunct Vega at ~15°CAP right on the Descendant), is this significant? Composite(fixed stars): [IMG]http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag371/rickysbobbies/fixedstars_zps72d76144.gif[/ IMG] Composite(asteroids): [IMG]http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag371/rickysbobbies/completecompiste_zpsdd f83381.gif[/IMG] quote: Originally posted by tgem: I don't know...maybe the 11th house goes deeper than then we think.. It could encompass more than integration in the social context.. I'm not convinced the 11th is just about social integration... Let's not forget the 11th is ruled by Aquarius which is the sign that strives for humanitarian efforts, helping to make the world a better place..isn't that a main purpose of the TF relationship?
I think you might be onto something here tgem. Uranus is exalted in Scorpio which rules the 8th house. Maybe there is an element of transformation in TF relationships that is also related to the 11th house, Uranus, or the sign Aquarius.
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 2053 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted March 30, 2014 07:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by HiddenAries: I think you might be onto something here tgem. Uranus is exalted in Scorpio which rules the 8th house. Maybe there is an element of transformation in TF relationships that is also related to the 11th house, Uranus, or the sign Aquarius.
Interesting. Thank you, HiddenAries. Castor-Pollux conjunction is exactly on my DSC, specifically Castor (0 degrees), the mortal twin, forming a Grand Trine with his Sun and Moon. IP: Logged |
tgem Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted March 30, 2014 07:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by HiddenAries: I think you might be onto something here tgem. Uranus is exalted in Scorpio which rules the 8th house. Maybe there is an element of transformation in TF relationships that is also related to the 11th house, Uranus, or the sign Aquarius.
Hidden Aries, We have found that in composites of TF's a planet, asteroid or significant point will fall on a fixed star...usually this occurs multiple times on multiple fixed stars. This also seems to occur in each natal as well. Castor and Pollux being fixed stars would fit into this category. Your Valentine conjunct Vega is definitely significant as Vega is a fixed star that has been specifically linked to TF's. however, I must add that the conjunction to fixed stars must be almost exact- maybe an orb of 1 degree at the very most! And yes, I like your thought about Uranus being exalted in Scorpio and TF's going through transformation (Uranus/aquarius.). Because, as has been talked about here, the purpose of a TF union many times is to aid the world in breaking old patterns and Paradigms. Tearing down what's been considered status quo and pave the way to transform the world toward achieving unconditional love. . IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 2053 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted March 30, 2014 07:39 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by tgem: Hidden Aries, We have found that in composites of TF's a planet, asteroid or significant point will fall on a fixed star...usually this occurs multiple times on multiple fixed stars. This also seems to occur in each natal as well. Castor and Pollux being fixed stars would fit into this category. Your Valentine conjunct Vega is definitely significant as Vega is a fixed star that has been specifically linked to TF's. however, I must add that the conjunction to fixed stars must be almost exact- maybe an orb of 1 degree at the very most! And yes, I like your thought about Uranus being exalted in Scorpio and TF's going through transformation (Uranus/aquarius.). Because, as has been talked about here, the purpose of a TF union many times is to aid the world in breaking old patterns and Paradigms. Tearing down what's been considered status quo and pave the way to transform the world toward achieving unconditional love. . [/QUOTE Hi, tgem! Why is Vega connected with TF...I missed this one
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tgem Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted March 30, 2014 07:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: [QUOTE]Originally posted by tgem: [b] Hidden Aries, We have found that in composites of TF's a planet, asteroid or significant point will fall on a fixed star...usually this occurs multiple times on multiple fixed stars. This also seems to occur in each natal as well. Castor and Pollux being fixed stars would fit into this category. Your Valentine conjunct Vega is definitely significant as Vega is a fixed star that has been specifically linked to TF's. however, I must add that the conjunction to fixed stars must be almost exact- maybe an orb of 1 degree at the very most! And yes, I like your thought about Uranus being exalted in Scorpio and TF's going through transformation (Uranus/aquarius.). Because, as has been talked about here, the purpose of a TF union many times is to aid the world in breaking old patterns and Paradigms. Tearing down what's been considered status quo and pave the way to transform the world toward achieving unconditional love. . [/QUOTE Hi, tgem! Why is Vega connected with TF...I missed this one [/B]
Here's two links in which IQ talks about it.. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/002529.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/002398.html IP: Logged |
tgem Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted March 30, 2014 07:52 PM
Also look for anything that hits the Pleiades constellation which sits between 29 Taurus and 0 Gemini. That one is said to be associated with TF's as well. From Darkstarastrology: " “The Pleiades’ role, then, is to help seekers become consciously aware of Divine Knowledge and Wisdom, which is why their etheric, astral and mental bodies must be purified before being able to integrate with that spiritual realm" IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 2053 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted March 30, 2014 08:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by tgem: Also look for anything that hits the Pleiades constellation which sits between 29 Taurus and 1Gemini. That one is said to be associated with TF's as well.
Thanks a lot for looking up those links, tgem IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 30, 2014 08:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by tgem: Amazing Pic!! You can just sense the love and devotion...so beautiful..hit the heart chakra
Thanks, tgem. I was so lucky that day. My camera was blessed. Seriously. The shots I got .... I couldn't have managed that without help! They're so inspiring to me. I get just a bit angry with myself - and impatient - that I'm not living up to the power of their love. Sigh. They get a bit saddened, too. But ... Mommy knows. She knows I'm clearing karma. She knows it's all necessary. Doesn't make it easier, though. I'll have to share a bizarre meditative experience I had last night. So visceral. Sometimes, I can just close my eyes and see my father and Fate poring over some circuit board. (He was in vocational school for EE before he switched to a 4-year and got his biochem BS; my father is an EE). I can see us all watching comedy and his sharing behind-the-scene tales .... Rising to go to the kitchen, automatically taking glasses and plates, offering to get anything for any of us .... My mother silently mouthing to me like, 'oh, my goodness!' Suffice it to say - my husband is too absent-minded, or sometimes flat out too stubborn to be so gracious. Yeah. These're the things that make me cry. Heh. I try and step it up then, because I WANT those experiences. I WANT us all to be able to spend time together. Here! In this eigenstate! ... Damn it! Ah, but then, I see her face. I feel her little toes burrowing beneath my calf, even though I'm typing on my phone, and she's engrossed in the latest Percy Jackson. Or the way she held me so tight before leaving for her trip to Hawaii with her mom and her 'stepfather' and 'stepbrother'. 'I'm gonna miss you so much!' She had just blurted it from nowhere and dove for me. Oh, I love my husband. I do. There's no question. But he would've understood had I said, 'I'm going to avoid becoming legally entangled with anyone, as it's important to me that I maintain this [with Fate] relationship, too.' But SHE? I HAD to be her stepmom. Period, paragraph. It was a force that overtook me against which I was helpless to resist. The second she laid those baby blues on me, setting a plastic bug upon my shoulder as I typed away in her father's office - I was a goner. She was four then; in town with her mother. I can hardly believe she's twelve now. Twelve. A tween, very soon to be a teen. I'm not worried. I was designated disciplinarian and authoritative authority figure. Nobody else had known how to guide with a firm but loving hand. Gobsmacking! Her mom was simply harried, snappish, or a pushover. Her father, well, they're very much alike. She's Daddy's Girl, and she knows it. So they both needed some disciplining there! And here we are. My parents adore her. (What's not to love?) And she's in turn taught ME about this whole mothering thing. About which I was absolutely clueless before her. So, yes, it's ALL worth it. She spun around on Hallowe'en, (my costar accompanied us in his old ensign costume when he worked Voyager) saying - no, announcing - to everyone how grateful she was that I was in her life. That her father found me, and that I'm there to love them. MELTED. I was a MELTED mess. And I DON'T melt! So, long and short ... this child has taught me a whole other side of this love thing. So has her father. I long for the chance to make such wonderful memories with my family and Fate; but I understand that one can't be interchanged or exchanged like a single piece. It's a tapestry, and we're all so interwoven together. No single thread can be pulled. But she loves them all, bless her. Fate and my costar. I felt so terrible when we were warring. 'But he's your best friend,' she'd say, unable to quite grasp the intricacies. It was simple to her. Love is love. Your best friend isn't someone you just don't talk to or avoid. Period. Third-grader logic. Gotta love it. Sometimes WE make it too complicated. And, that brings me to a point, Ceri - but I'll save that for another one. IP: Logged |
tgem Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted March 30, 2014 08:25 PM
Of course you love your husband Indigo..as I still love mine. That's was us TF's do...we love unconditionally..even the unlovable ones we're here to learn to love. You're right it's one big Webb and you all are intertwined... Kind of funny- I have the Amor asteroid conjunct my name asteroid exact in my natal.. Have you found anything like that?I do believe these dreams we're having are giving us clues...I posted a couples pages back about subconscious communication...your soul knows, even if your conscious mind hasn't figured it all out yet...but it will...all in good time 💙 BTW, in Cusp's natal his last name asteroid is conjunct Cupido by 1 minute LOL IP: Logged |
MorpHnStorM Knowflake Posts: 245 From: Registered: Oct 2013
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posted March 30, 2014 08:47 PM
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I think it should be important to note that there is a difference between tropical Gemini (May 21 - June 21) and the constellation Gemini which is in the sign Cancer in tropical. The two main fixed stars that make up the Gemini constellation are Pollux (currently at 23°25'CAN) and Castor (at 20°27'CAN), whom in Greek and Roman mythology were twin brothers.
I failed to mention this in my last post, but I think I have mentioned this back somewhere in this thread previously. Our t-composite IC is @ 21 Can 41. I mentioned our Sun-Vesta being on Sirius @ 13 Can 04. Helio Vesta is on it, opp our Earth-Moon @ 13 Cap 01 (actually it's a part of a G-Cross including Chiron, Uranus, Siva,Parvati, and some other asteroids I can't recall at the moment).Our helio Venus conj. Aldebaran as well, which is a part of another major configuration. Our t-composite Venus is on Betelgeuse @ 28 Gem 35, my Asc @ 17 Gem and his SM Midpoint @ 18 Gem are on Rigel, I have my SM midpoint @ 16 Can/Cap. I do have Chiron on 2 Gem, but that may be too wide for Pleiades. This is all I can recall right now. I do remember posting about this some time ago, but I have no idea where in this thread that might be lol.
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IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 30, 2014 09:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen:
And it is this moment she finally realizes that her soulmate has always (well for the time of her search at least) been with her and she almost lost him because she was clinging to the "idea of a soulmate". I find this to be very true actually. That is why now and then I stop and just listen to what my heart or gut or whatever is telling me.
I do, too. I think it's so important, like iQ perfectly conveyed in his description of going to sleep alone because he had been so cramped, and awaking to find himself surrounded by his family. It becomes trickier when it's no longer a mere concept, however. 'Only You' IS a wonderful examination of that. I think I was half-hoping against hope - but never so seriously - hence 'half' - that I could escape it - as iQ put so elegantly. ;P. I think I needed the exact words, 'YOU CAN'T' before it sunk in. Did I think otherwise? Oh, hardly. Too much I'd have to somehow convince myself out of. Things I wouldn't know where to begin if I was to play the 'well, he isn't' game. And it's a game I know well. Did I secretly hope that I could leave him be and he'd be happy with some soulmate with whom he'd settle down and I could move on with my life? Probably not. See, I have a hard time accepting the mutuality part - but then I can't help but be reminded of how much it once was. And then I KNOW we would've been happy. And THAT's hard. Could I move on with my life? No. Never truly. Never completely. It's no one's fault, either. It just simply is. No one's to blame. Do I simply have to have faith now that it'll all sort out? I suppose I sort of do. I've had too many things over the weekend straighten me out. I unconsciously set myself upon a path that made the opposite 'true'. In my anger, fear and desperation, I suppose, I set forth an intention that 'made' it so it was untrue. So that I could live as if it were. That iQ had responded on the contrary. And what does tgem post? The Coffee bit. And for whom does it NOT 'work'? I partially blame the sinus migraine and fending off my husband's cold, but I was a wreck. It was THE worst time for something to come along and toss a wrench. And what a wrench it seemed! So, I essentially lived the entire day, trying to sort out what I was going to do, facing a very different reality. The one I'd unintentionally intended for myself! Didn't even hit until the next day my neighbour posts about - INTENTION! And I think ... D'OH! Talk about cosmic egg on one's face. I remember looking at the chart of 'his twin flame' and my inner voice being rather fed up with my vacillation. It was sort of a, 'don't like it, do you? Well, maybe you should stop running and start being grateful!' With a few more expletives. No, I didn't like it. I realised I was perfectly fine with his having relations with whomever he so chose, so long as he didn't think it was off-limits for him to love me. And tell me so. And likewise. That I didn't care about whatever others might exist. So long as I'M still the one who matters most to him - all is well with the world. And all of that started feeling threatened. And THEN I got scared. And then I thought I was WRONG. See? Just a mess. I'm trying to devise the best way to come clean with him. But I've promised I'll wait until the Mars Retro has cleared. I'll stop acting hastily and wanting to hatchet everything. That's what HE did. And now ... I can't deal with that, and I realise it. I'm in love with him. Still. Always have been. Nothing's changed. And I can't maintain the masquerade that what's between us isn't, or isn't any longer. I'm not sure HOW to handle it yet. I'm having some faith in the guidance finding me when I need it. I'll just be honest. It'll be hard - admitting that I can't pretend anymore; that I tried being his friend. That I was 99.99% sure I couldn't be - but I tried anyway. For a year. Strangely, it was his coworker's words which really resonated. Literally moved me. Galvanised. Even though I didn't know WHAT it was I was to do. (Still don't. Again - faith.) As he'd posted the recent shot, she hadn't Liked it - until later that night. But she'd commented, too. 'You're my favourite.' My head spun. What? Favourite what? Is that a complete sentence? Is this slang? I honestly found myself online seeking answers. (Yes. I was THAT nuts.) My research yielded 'she's flirting,' or 'she's just kidding' or 'you're her favourite person to be around.' And I thought ... hang on. Wait a minute. He's MY favourite. My favourite anything! Everything! He's just - that's my phrase! You don't know him enough to know that! Is he your favourite drunk-dialler? Your favourite navigator? Your favourite dream partner? Writing partner? Costar? Confidante? Your favourite comedian? How about culinary expert? Person to randomly sing showtunes with? Offer directions to? Get advice from? Vent to? Rant with? Watch your favourite series with? Is he your favourite - period? Because he's mine. And that was when it hit me - as I was ranting silently inside my head at this poor girl literally ten years my junior. He's my favourite. Of everyone. Of everything. He never failed to put a smile on my face - even for all the tears I shed because of him, too. I was always - it was always - everything was just better somehow - because of him. I was sure that, for me, the sentence ended there. He's my favourite. Period. I'm trying to figure out how to construct that into something which bears meaning. Heh. Oh, well. I will when I have to. It'll come to me. Oh, I was also sure he'd Like her comment and that would be that. My heart would break thrice-over once again, and I'd be sharply reminded what a fool I am. He never did. He was on, too. An hour later, he logged off. He COULD have. But he didn't. And I thought ... Maybe. Maybe, just perhaps ... he continues to try and maintain something - anything - with me - against all logic and sense, for no real good reason except something that can't be so easily explained away ... I thought - maybe even silently prayed that, it might be possible that ... ... I'm still his favourite, too? Well, I can hope. And do that having faith thing. And ... that's about it. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 30, 2014 10:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by superman13: I think the Composite MOON conjunct VALENTINE is a winner and connected to VERTEX LeeLoo. I am pretty sure I have that with this girl I know.I believe regardless of time that in synastry we have SUN opposite MOON exact. I am 110% sure, what is weird my DIANA and MENTOR asteriods aspects her MOON then. Wouldn't SUN opposite MOON be more towards TF's? the conjunct? MOON conjunct VALENTINE has to be the strongest asteriod connected with VALENTINE.
It's not actually conjunct. Their VALENTINE is conjunct MARS-VERTEX in composite. It's too far out for a MOON conjunction. I DO have that aspect with my Twin Flame (so weird to say that!) however in our composite. 0°70. 1H. With the rest of the smorgasbord Scorpio stellium. Heh. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 30, 2014 10:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: Thanks, superman, but this is the composite with my ex. So you see, not even the greatest of aspects in a composite can replace a weaker synastry.I believe both Moon conjunct Sun and Moon opposite Sun are superstrong. It is also important, IMO, to look for the aspects the natal chart (of each person) needs more to feel completed.
Not true! It can delay things, however. I do think that there's a tremendous potency in SUN conjunct or opposite MOON, yes. In your case, the VALENTINE aspect is conjunct MARS-VERTEX. I feel that's more volatile - and extremely fated. It seems that the relationship did actually fulfil its purpose. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 30, 2014 11:03 PM
Okay. This WILL expire, and I NEED some eyes on this, ASAP. You'll see why. So one of my oldest soul sisters has blown up my phone essentially continuing a conversation we were having in my dream last night. (When I told her this, she naturally just took it in stride.) The random topic? Twin flames. I guess I don't even have to segue now. I'll show our composite, too, but first, this one's been stumping us awhile. http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_621gw_01_10_blind_writer_justine_h.10760.22346.gif&res=100&va=&cid=rrefileQh0Fgj-u1334110543 And here's the Helio: http://www.astro.com/cgi/show gif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_621gw_01_10_blind_writer_justine_h.9776.30811.gif&res=100&va=&cid=rrefileQh0Fgj-u1334110543 Okay. Long and short. They're inseparable. Justine's in Australia - and engaged. We've always looked at their GT composite like - WTF! But only today I asked her to add in ISIS, OSIRIS, and ALMA. Now ... I'm just ... stumped! Thoughts? There's no doubt they love each other with such enormity that it's a really beautiful thing. But ... is she letting pragmatism get in her way? Is there karma she's got to clear? It mimics mine and Fate's to the point where I'm just floored. Does it matter it's not 1H? And that EROS and PSYCHE don't aspect? Gah! Help!
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MorpHnStorM Knowflake Posts: 245 From: Registered: Oct 2013
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posted March 30, 2014 11:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: Okay. This WILL expire, and I NEED some eyes on this, ASAP. You'll see why. So one of my oldest soul sisters has blown up my phone essentially continuing a conversation we were having in my dream last night. (When I told her this, she naturally just took it in stride.) The random topic? Twin flames. I guess I don't even have to segue now. I'll show our composite, too, but first, this one's been stumping us awhile. http://www.astro.com/cgi/sho wgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_621gw_01_10_blind_writer_justine_h.10760.22346.gif&res=100&va=&cid=rrefileQh0Fgj-u1334110543 And here's the Helio: http://www.astro.com/cgi/show gif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_621gw_01_10_blind_writer_justine_h.9776.30811.gif&res=100&va=&cid=rrefileQh0Fgj-u1334110543 Okay. Long and short. They're inseparable. Justine's in Australia - and engaged. We've always looked at their GT composite like - WTF! But only today I asked her to add in ISIS, OSIRIS, and ALMA. Now ... I'm just ... stumped! Thoughts? There's no doubt they love each other with such enormity that it's a really beautiful thing. But ... is she letting pragmatism get in her way? Is there karma she's got to clear? It mimics mine and Fate's to the point where I'm just floored. Does it matter it's not 1H? And that EROS and PSYCHE don't aspect? Gah! Help!
I'm sorry, but what's the problem? Why are you stumped? How does Justine feel about her/their union? You said they love each other greatly, are inseparable, and they are engaged. So, I'm a bit confused... Do you have a synastry chart? <Edit> Are you trying to compare her situation to yours, wondering how she's together with her SC, while you and Fate are not? Is that what this is about?
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IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 31, 2014 12:20 AM
quote: Originally posted by MorpHnStorM: I'm sorry, but what's the problem? Why are you stumped? How does Justine feel about her/their union? You said they love each other greatly, are inseparable, and they are engaged. So, I'm a bit confused...Do you have a synastry chart? <Edit> Are you trying to compare her situation to yours, wondering how she's together with her SC, while you and Fate are not? Is that what this is about?
Sorry, Morph. Thanks for looking at things. I do. I knew that'd be asked for. Heh. Lemme text her and ask for that link. No, it's more of my being floored at the similarities. I vaguely remember she wanted me to look at them before, in comparison. Months ago. Hell, maybe even in 2012. And she and I (Justine) have texted before. She's really tried! I'm just always busy, so we haven't really connected. It doesn't help she's in Australia. Now, their story is that my soul-sister is in my hometown, in Dallas. Justine is somewhere in Australia - - with her fiance. Justine is torn. Really, really, really torn. She loves her - and really, like I said, they're as inseparable as you can be across so many miles, and in such circumstances. I never really gave this the attention it deserved in 2012. I'm regretting that now. Now all I can think is - what if they ARE? What if the reason they're both women is that it has something to do with sexual orientation, and the bigotry that makes so many people choose the societally-acceptable choice? Or am I wrong? Is it the 1H that really stood out to iQ - or the aspects? I guess ... I don't know. I feel like, if they are ... that I should try and have a heart-to-heart with Justine. From the POV of one who had no choice. See, she DOES. She has a wonderful, amazing, talented, and brilliant woman who loves her with all of her heart. Who'd drop everything to be with her. And I just have to know - I have to do what I CAN - to find out - is THAT how it's supposed to be? You might say ... I'm wondering; should I be fighting for true love here? I'd hate for Justine to be looking at things several years later ... and wondering ... wondering if she made the right choice. What are the ODDS that it'd be SO similar - and that I'd be right here, right now, able to show it to you? Not saying I'm supposed to do something ... ... but what if I am? IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 31, 2014 12:45 AM
Here's their synastry. (I went ahead and uploaded it onto mine.) I really appreciate everyone looking into this, whoever does. We all deserve to be happy - and she's put in more hours, days, years of loneliness than she ever 'deserved'. She's been dear to me - in this life, that is, heh - for nearly 20 years. So, this means a great deal to me. IP: Logged | |