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Topic: Twinflame Astrology: Techniques, Investigations, Validity
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MorpHnStorM Knowflake Posts: 245 From: Registered: Oct 2013
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posted March 31, 2014 12:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: Sorry, Morph. Thanks for looking at things. I do. I knew that'd be asked for. Heh. Lemme text her and ask for that link.No, it's more of my being floored at the similarities. I vaguely remember she wanted me to look at them before, in comparison. Months ago. Hell, maybe even in 2012. And she and I (Justine) have texted before. She's really tried! I'm just always busy, so we haven't really connected. It doesn't help she's in Australia. Now, their story is that my soul-sister is in my hometown, in Dallas. Justine is somewhere in Australia - - with her fiance. Justine is torn. Really, really, really torn. She loves her - and really, like I said, they're as inseparable as you can be across so many miles, and in such circumstances. I never really gave this the attention it deserved in 2012. I'm regretting that now. Now all I can think is - what if they ARE? What if the reason they're both women is that it has something to do with sexual orientation, and the bigotry that makes so many people choose the societally-acceptable choice? Or am I wrong? Is it the 1H that really stood out to iQ - or the aspects? I guess ... I don't know. I feel like, if they are ... that I should try and have a heart-to-heart with Justine. From the POV of one who had no choice. See, she DOES. She has a wonderful, amazing, talented, and brilliant woman who loves her with all of her heart. Who'd drop everything to be with her. And I just have to know - I have to do what I CAN - to find out - is THAT how it's supposed to be? You might say ... I'm wondering; should I be fighting for true love here? I'd hate for Justine to be looking at things several years later ... and wondering ... wondering if she made the right choice. What are the ODDS that it'd be SO similar - and that I'd be right here, right now, able to show it to you? Not saying I'm supposed to do something ... ... but what if I am?
So if I have this right; Justine is your SS's connection, they are the ones in love , but Justine is conflicted about acting on this love, and she's off about to marry someone else? A man, I take it... I'm even more interested in seeing the synastry now... It definitely couldn't hurt to have a good discussion about this with Justine. If you have that opportunity, I think the discussion should be more centered on being real, honest, and true to herself. Making her own decisions from a true sense of self, love, and understanding, rather than letting society dictate all of her decisions...That would indeed, be a huge mistake...If she can tap into her own spirit, she can then find out for herself what her connection with your SS is really about. If she already feels she knows, then she'll be in a better place to handle the connection. It can then continue to unfold and grow naturally in its own time. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 31, 2014 01:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by MorpHnStorM: So if I have this right; Justine is your SS's connection, they are the ones in love , but Justine is conflicted about acting on this love, and she's off about to marry someone else? A man, I take it...I'm even more interested in seeing the synastry now... It definitely couldn't hurt to have a good discussion about this with Justine. If you have that opportunity, I think the discussion should be more centered on being real, honest, and true to herself. Making her own decisions from a true sense of self, love, and understanding, rather than letting society dictate all of her decisions...That would indeed, be a huge mistake...If she can tap into her own spirit, she can then find out for herself what her connection with your SS is really about. If she already feels she knows, then she'll be in a better place to handle the connection. It can then continue to unfold and grow naturally in its own time.
Correct. Sorry I'm so scattered. And I posted the synastry on the preceding page for you. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 31, 2014 02:08 AM
Indigo," Evidently that was a damned good time, too!" That was exactly what I was thinking. curiously I met mr Sag nearly on their wedding day, just many years later (22nd may). I have to listen to the audios later when i am home again; I am writing from school actually. "And the Aquarianness is pretty prominent.2 my Dad is an Aquarius, too, with Virgo-ASC.
her is their syn [/URL]
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 31, 2014 02:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: Okay. This WILL expire, and I NEED some eyes on this, ASAP. You'll see why. So one of my oldest soul sisters has blown up my phone essentially continuing a conversation we were having in my dream last night. (When I told her this, she naturally just took it in stride.) The random topic? Twin flames. I guess I don't even have to segue now. I'll show our composite, too, but first, this one's been stumping us awhile. http://www.astro.com/cgi/sho wgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_621gw_01_10_blind_writer_justine_h.10760.22346.gif&res=100&va=&cid=rrefileQh0Fgj-u1334110543 And here's the Helio: http://www.astro.com/cgi/show gif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_621gw_01_10_blind_writer_justine_h.9776.30811.gif&res=100&va=&cid=rrefileQh0Fgj-u1334110543 Okay. Long and short. They're inseparable. Justine's in Australia - and engaged. We've always looked at their GT composite like - WTF! But only today I asked her to add in ISIS, OSIRIS, and ALMA. Now ... I'm just ... stumped! Thoughts? There's no doubt they love each other with such enormity that it's a really beautiful thing. But ... is she letting pragmatism get in her way? Is there karma she's got to clear? It mimics mine and Fate's to the point where I'm just floored. Does it matter it's not 1H? And that EROS and PSYCHE don't aspect? Gah! Help!
Wow! that looks like yours! And no I donīt really think it is that relevant that the stellium is not in 1st or 7th house - their emphasis will just be a bit different. Also about Eros-psyche. they are biseptile and pretty exact at that the ruler of their SN is conjunct Pluto, the ruler of their Nn is conjunct Venus, I find that intriguing.
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IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 31, 2014 03:48 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Wow! that looks like yours!And no I donīt really think it is that relevant that the stellium is not in 1st or 7th house - their emphasis will just be a bit different. Also about Eros-psyche. they are biseptile and pretty exact at that the ruler of their SN is conjunct Pluto, the ruler of their Nn is conjunct Venus, I find that intriguing.
Isn't that astounding? It can't be coincidental. So rare, and yet, the one so near to it is one of my dearest friends - who really is a member of my family by this point? Can't be. I'm eager for what iQ will say .... And, if he agrees ... goodness - what do I do, I wonder? Have a heart-to-heart with Justine, I suppose. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 31, 2014 03:54 AM
For the hell of it: That's she and I. Also, when I ran our composites - me with Justine, she with Fate, and he with Justine - phenomenally, ONLY Fate and myself and she and Justine yield such a composite. The only one which comes close is she and I. IP: Logged |
superman13 Knowflake Posts: 33 From: Registered: Jan 2014
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posted March 31, 2014 05:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: It's not actually conjunct. Their VALENTINE is conjunct MARS-VERTEX in composite. It's too far out for a MOON conjunction. I DO have that aspect with my Twin Flame (so weird to say that!) however in our composite. 0°70. 1H. With the rest of the smorgasbord Scorpio stellium. Heh.
Ahhh.. makes sense, i was going to say, yes i have it HER within a very very close degree i believe. Like exact as well Indigo : ) IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 2053 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted March 31, 2014 05:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: I'll definitely be taking a look at it, once I respond to Ceri's very insightful take on my other posted composite.
Thanks, IndigoDirae, I'm looking forward to it IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 2053 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted March 31, 2014 06:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by superman13: Ahhh.. makes sense, i was going to say, yes i have it HER within a very very close degree i believe. Like exact as well Indigo : )
I disagree with this excessive preoccupation for exact orbs, but I'm open for a debate. There's a reason why the orbs used in relationship charts range from 1 to 10 degrees. After all, what we have here is an astronomical perspective and if, hypothetically, you could look at the sky, you would see that 5-7 planets conjunction (in my ex composite or ID's) as a cluster in the sky, like a "personal" composite constellation, which will obviously act/react synergistically. That's why when we look at a chart, we first look at its geometry, at the patterns, that's the reason the aspects (which are geometrical aspects) are calculated. We first look at the big picture, than we decide the importance of the aspects, not based on orbs. It would be ridiculous to consider a 5 degree trine which is part of a Kite for example less significant than an isolated 1 degree trine. After all, everyone here uses the Astrodienst charts. These are the orbs used by the Swiss program, which, BTW, I adore: Orbs used for compatibility charts Conjunction: 10 Opposition: 8 Trine: 6 Square: 6 Sextile: 4.5 Quincunx: 2 Semi-sextile: 1 Semi-square: 1 Sesqui-square: 1.5 Quintile: 1 Bi-quintile: 1 In synastry charts, we add an extra degree of orb for the Sun and the Moon. Thus, a Sun-Moon conjunction is given a 12 degree orb, a Moon-Mars opposition, 9 degrees, etc. Just to give an example, IndigoDirae, in your composite chart: Venus conjunct Pluto in the 11th house by 7 degrees. One cannot say this conjunction is less important than, let's say, the Juno/Mercury conjunction (0 deg.), because it involves Venus, a major planet in a composite and the chart ruler, because it's the focal point of a Love Trine (the emotional Minor Grand Trine), connected with Jupiter/NN/MC and Mars/Alma, connected with the stellium in the 1st house and its midpoint is linked with the surrounding clusters of planets. Well, that's just my opinion, I might be wrong. But for me, this is the reason we calculate aspects: for the overall pattern, first and foremost. I would be very grateful if you could give me your opinion on my charts at page 116, IndigoDirae. IP: Logged |
tgem Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted March 31, 2014 07:08 AM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: I do, too. I think it's so important, like iQ perfectly conveyed in his description of going to sleep alone because he had been so cramped, and awaking to find himself surrounded by his family. It becomes trickier when it's no longer a mere concept, however. 'Only You' IS a wonderful examination of that. I think I was half-hoping against hope - but never so seriously - hence 'half' - that I could escape it - as iQ put so elegantly. ;P. I think I needed the exact words, 'YOU CAN'T' before it sunk in. Did I think otherwise? Oh, hardly. Too much I'd have to somehow convince myself out of. Things I wouldn't know where to begin if I was to play the 'well, he isn't' game. And it's a game I know well. Did I secretly hope that I could leave him be and he'd be happy with some soulmate with whom he'd settle down and I could move on with my life? Probably not. See, I have a hard time accepting the mutuality part - but then I can't help but be reminded of how much it once was. And then I KNOW we would've been happy. And THAT's hard. Could I move on with my life? No. Never truly. Never completely. It's no one's fault, either. It just simply is. No one's to blame. Do I simply have to have faith now that it'll all sort out? I suppose I sort of do. I've had too many things over the weekend straighten me out. I unconsciously set myself upon a path that made the opposite 'true'. In my anger, fear and desperation, I suppose, I set forth an intention that 'made' it so it was untrue. So that I could live as if it were. That iQ had responded on the contrary. And what does tgem post? The Coffee bit. And for whom does it NOT 'work'? I partially blame the sinus migraine and fending off my husband's cold, but I was a wreck. It was THE worst time for something to come along and toss a wrench. And what a wrench it seemed! So, I essentially lived the entire day, trying to sort out what I was going to do, facing a very different reality. The one I'd unintentionally intended for myself! Didn't even hit until the next day my neighbour posts about - INTENTION! And I think ... D'OH! Talk about cosmic egg on one's face. I remember looking at the chart of 'his twin flame' and my inner voice being rather fed up with my vacillation. It was sort of a, 'don't like it, do you? Well, maybe you should stop running and start being grateful!' With a few more expletives. No, I didn't like it. I realised I was perfectly fine with his having relations with whomever he so chose, so long as he didn't think it was off-limits for him to love me. And tell me so. And likewise. That I didn't care about whatever others might exist. So long as I'M still the one who matters most to him - all is well with the world. And all of that started feeling threatened. And THEN I got scared. And then I thought I was WRONG. See? Just a mess. I'm trying to devise the best way to come clean with him. But I've promised I'll wait until the Mars Retro has cleared. I'll stop acting hastily and wanting to hatchet everything. That's what HE did. And now ... I can't deal with that, and I realise it. I'm in love with him. Still. Always have been. Nothing's changed. And I can't maintain the masquerade that what's between us isn't, or isn't any longer. I'm not sure HOW to handle it yet. I'm having some faith in the guidance finding me when I need it. I'll just be honest. It'll be hard - admitting that I can't pretend anymore; that I tried being his friend. That I was 99.99% sure I couldn't be - but I tried anyway. For a year. Strangely, it was his coworker's words which really resonated. Literally moved me. Galvanised. Even though I didn't know WHAT it was I was to do. (Still don't. Again - faith.) As he'd posted the recent shot, she hadn't Liked it - until later that night. But she'd commented, too. 'You're my favourite.' My head spun. What? Favourite what? Is that a complete sentence? Is this slang? I honestly found myself online seeking answers. (Yes. I was THAT nuts.) My research yielded 'she's flirting,' or 'she's just kidding' or 'you're her favourite person to be around.' And I thought ... hang on. Wait a minute. He's MY favourite. My favourite anything! Everything! He's just - that's my phrase! You don't know him enough to know that! Is he your favourite drunk-dialler? Your favourite navigator? Your favourite dream partner? Writing partner? Costar? Confidante? Your favourite comedian? How about culinary expert? Person to randomly sing showtunes with? Offer directions to? Get advice from? Vent to? Rant with? Watch your favourite series with? Is he your favourite - period? Because he's mine. And that was when it hit me - as I was ranting silently inside my head at this poor girl literally ten years my junior. He's my favourite. Of everyone. Of everything. He never failed to put a smile on my face - even for all the tears I shed because of him, too. I was always - it was always - everything was just better somehow - because of him. I was sure that, for me, the sentence ended there. He's my favourite. Period. I'm trying to figure out how to construct that into something which bears meaning. Heh. Oh, well. I will when I have to. It'll come to me. Oh, I was also sure he'd Like her comment and that would be that. My heart would break thrice-over once again, and I'd be sharply reminded what a fool I am. He never did. He was on, too. An hour later, he logged off. He COULD have. But he didn't. And I thought ... Maybe. Maybe, just perhaps ... he continues to try and maintain something - anything - with me - against all logic and sense, for no real good reason except something that can't be so easily explained away ... I thought - maybe even silently prayed that, it might be possible that ... ... I'm still his favourite, too? Well, I can hope. And do that having faith thing. And ... that's about it.
Awww Indigo...sorry my timing stunk with my "Coffee" theory...it's just one theory after all....and I totally understand your response...just like I do the same thing and go NUTS when something in the charts of you, Ceri and the others isn't found in the chart of me and Cusp..then I go crazy...doubting myself..freaking out...and let logic sneak in and suffocate my heart and soul's intuition. I'm really glad you're processing these feelings...I see the transformation in you with each post you write...it's true... And I'm so glad to be here to heal and support you through it. ...and yes...whether he consciously believes it or not....you ARE his favorite...regardless of what his ego tells him...it just IS. 💙
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 31, 2014 07:19 AM
i would only consider bigger orbs if,1. planets are clustered together and we have a rolling conjuncton (and even then the effect is watered down) 2. they come with a declinational aspect 3. they make close midpoint pictures. But most of thje times this is not even necessary. Iīve often be amazed at the exactness of orbs in relevant aspects.
Everyone can of course use orbs like they want to. To me it simply becomes arbritrary from a certain degree on.
OR i decide and use whole sign aspects as I mentioned. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 2053 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted March 31, 2014 07:22 AM
And I thought ... hang on. Wait a minute.He's MY favourite. My favourite anything! Everything! He's just - that's my phrase! You don't know him enough to know that! Is he your favourite drunk-dialler? Your favourite navigator? Your favourite dream partner? Writing partner? Costar? Confidante? Your favourite comedian? How about culinary expert? Person to randomly sing showtunes with? Offer directions to? Get advice from? Vent to? Rant with? Watch your favourite series with? Is he your favourite - period? Because he's mine. And that was when it hit me - as I was ranting silently inside my head at this poor girl literally ten years my junior. He's my favourite. Of everyone. Of everything. He never failed to put a smile on my face - even for all the tears I shed because of him, too. I was always - it was always - everything was just better somehow - because of him. I was sure that, for me, the sentence ended there. He's my favourite. Period. I'm trying to figure out how to construct that into something which bears meaning. Heh. Oh, well. I will when I have to. It'll come to me. Oh, I was also sure he'd Like her comment and that would be that. My heart would break thrice-over once again, and I'd be sharply reminded what a fool I am. He never did. He was on, too. An hour later, he logged off. He COULD have. But he didn't. And I thought ... Maybe. Maybe, just perhaps ... he continues to try and maintain something - anything - with me - against all logic and sense, for no real good reason except something that can't be so easily explained away ... I thought - maybe even silently prayed that, it might be possible that ... ... I'm still his favourite, too? Well, I can hope. And do that having faith thing. And ... that's about it. This really touched my heart, IndigoDirae. I hope you find your happiness. IP: Logged |
tgem Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted March 31, 2014 07:26 AM
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tgem Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted March 31, 2014 07:51 AM
@Indigo: "It definitely couldn't hurt to have a good discussion about this with Justine. If you have that opportunity, I think the discussion should be more centered on being real, honest, and true to herself. Making her own decisions from a true sense of self, love, and understanding, rather than letting society dictate all of her decisions...That would indeed, be a huge mistake...If she can tap into her own spirit, she can then find out for herself what her connection with your SS is really about. If she already feels she knows, then she'll be in a better place to handle the connection. It can then continue to unfold and grow naturally in its own time."THIS!!!!! Hit the nail on the head!!!! If I were in your shoes, I'd definitely have the talk....
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 2053 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted March 31, 2014 08:02 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: i would only consider bigger orbs if,1. planets are clustered together and we have a rolling conjuncton (and even then the effect is watered down) 2. they come with a declinational aspect 3. they make close midpoint pictures. But most of thje times this is not even necessary. Iīve often be amazed at the exactness of orbs in relevant aspects.
Everyone can of course use orbs like they want to. To me it simply becomes arbritrary from a certain degree on.
OR i decide and use whole sign aspects as I mentioned.
Hi, Ceri, My post disappeared, don't know why. I was asking you: what do you mean by "bigger" orbs? What orbs do you use in relationship charts? What do you mean by "whole sign aspects"? Thanks. IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 4706 From: Chennai, India Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 31, 2014 08:06 AM
Great posts once again from all contributors. Indigo, thank you so much for posting the picture and synastry chart of your parents, definitely inspirational. Have you analyzed the Composite with your step-daughter? Your description of your bonding feels as if she is your daughter in a simultaneous realm where lifespans are far longer than that of Earth. Bonds like these are also part of Soul Contracts and Conditions that decide in which specific Earth Lifetime we re-unite with the Twin Flame. I have read that Edgar Cayce and his secretary Gladys Davis were Twin Flames. She faithfully recorded his prophecies. Was that the contract for a reunion in another life or realm? Is identification and acknowledgment of a Twin Flame another sufficient condition for reunion in another timeline? One more possibility, if a specific Galaxy of sentient Beings is headed to perdition, symbolized by being attracted to a Black Hole, then Twin Flames may deliberately separate from Realms to create an Anchor for pulling the Galaxy out of trouble, because in Higher Realms, Twin Flames can never be separated [i.e, that Galaxy can never be destroyed until all Twin Flames pull out] In this case, physical reunion on a planet like Earth is not as important as the actual Spiritual Development of the incarnating Souls, maintaining unconditional love without physical reunion on Earth. In Bhakti Yoga legend, Meera Bai, a Twin Flame of Krishna, spent her entire life in devotion to Sri Krishna [who died eons ago]. Such people raised the frequency of thousands of people. Why I am writing all this is because nobody should become despondent and stop loving others or life in general just because one cannot physically be with the Twin Flame . Loving the Twin Flame from the fully developed Heart Chakra is the Higher Purpose, its reward of reunion can come in any part of 3D Space/Time in the Universe. ------------------ Astrology Articles New Services and short readings IP: Logged |
tgem Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted March 31, 2014 09:00 AM
IQ this is an interesting thought. Like Indigo and Morph I have quite a significant synastry and composite with the daughter of the man I believe is my TF. I do believe there is a strong possibility I was her mother in another lifetime/realm? Can you take a look at this synastry and composite quickly and tell me what your initial thoughts are? The birth times are accurate: [IMG]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag47/tgem1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps81dd965 8.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag47/tgem1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps06eb727 0.jpg[/IMG] IP: Logged |
tgem Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted March 31, 2014 09:16 AM
DP..again. LL is acting weird today...IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 31, 2014 10:40 AM
Leeloo,my post disappeared, too. "I was asking you: what do you mean by "bigger" orbs?"
O° - 2° very intense and insistent 2°-4° still valid, but certainly weaker (as isolated aspects) 4°-6° subtle. Ususally there is no need to go beyond a 3 degree orb though. and if there is you usually do not deal with soulmates or twinflames. The orbs you mentioned, well the reason for them is that some medieval astrologers started using orbs at all, and used these. But actually had different orbs for planets, not for aspects. harmonic astrologers also have a different orb system. 12 for conjunction, 6 for opposition, 4 for trine and so on. So the harmonic aspects stay consistent and comparable. however they consider the first two harmonics - conj. and opp. more like conditions/ general statements, not like specific aspects. Before orbs came up whole sign aspects were being used, like the Vedic still do today. Means any planet in Aries would be trine a planet in leo or Sag, no matter where it is placed. hence no out of sign aspects there.
it is a differeent approach towards aspects. One is signbased, and the other is based on the harmonics, or and that is more my approach, is based on the lunar-solar relationships.
there is a reason the solar and lunar festivals were held at the dates they were held. and the reason is found in phases of the Moon (in comparision to Earth and Sun), and actually more than in longitudinal aspects, the declinations were the big markers. In the composite I look for VERY close aspects. 2° maybe 2°30 - those are pivotal.
Of course after that I also take more general lining up into consideration. A 6 degree conjunction can sometimes be quite valid, if it comes with linked aspects or midpoints. But as an isolated aspect it wouldnīt mean much. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 31, 2014 10:44 AM
quote: Originally posted by iQ:
Why I am writing all this is because nobody should become despondent and stop loving others or life in general just because one cannot physically be with the Twin Flame . Loving the Twin Flame from the fully developed Heart Chakra is the Higher Purpose, its reward of reunion can come in any part of 3D Space/Time in the Universe.
Yes, I think that is important to keep in mind. just because someone knows who their twinflame is, does not automatically mean they are going to have a romantic relationship with them here in this dimension. That is why I always - tf-marker or not- also put a focus on astrological markers for possible love and attraction as well as fatedness/ glue and bonding.
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micole maree Knowflake Posts: 272 From: Bay Area, CA, USA Registered: Dec 2013
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posted March 31, 2014 12:13 PM
Popping in to say hi to you all. I am SO massively behind. We had constant internet outages last week before it got fixed and the catching up is brutal. Email, here...I think it was Page One who asked me about Spirit, the asteroid? I had just completed most of that work when I lost internet. And Ceri, you asked for a specific list of asteroids in chartwork but I've lost those notes and heaven knows where that request is buried in earlier pages. Could you tell me again what you wanted? I think Destinn, Karma and Alma were included but I have forgotten the rest. Off-topic on twin flames, but interestingly, New Guy and I have Juno and Alma conjunct in both tropical composites. Blessings to you all. I'll try to catch up as soon as I can! IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 2053 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted March 31, 2014 12:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Leeloo,my post disappeared, too. "I was asking you: what do you mean by "bigger" orbs?"
O° - 2° very intense and insistent 2°-4° still valid, but certainly weaker (as isolated aspects) 4°-6° subtle. Ususally there is no need to go beyond a 3 degree orb though. and if there is you usually do not deal with soulmates or twinflames. The orbs you mentioned, well the reason for them is that some medieval astrologers started using orbs at all, and used these. But actually had different orbs for planets, not for aspects. harmonic astrologers also have a different orb system. 12 for conjunction, 6 for opposition, 4 for trine and so on. So the harmonic aspects stay consistent and comparable. however they consider the first two harmonics - conj. and opp. more like conditions/ general statements, not like specific aspects. Before orbs came up whole sign aspects were being used, like the Vedic still do today. Means any planet in Aries would be trine a planet in leo or Sag, no matter where it is placed. hence no out of sign aspects there.
it is a differeent approach towards aspects. One is signbased, and the other is based on the harmonics, or and that is more my approach, is based on the lunar-solar relationships.
there is a reason the solar and lunar festivals were held at the dates they were held. and the reason is found in phases of the Moon (in comparision to Earth and Sun), and actually more than in longitudinal aspects, the declinations were the big markers. In the composite I look for VERY close aspects. 2° maybe 2°30 - those are pivotal.
Of course after that I also take more general lining up into consideration. A 6 degree conjunction can sometimes be quite valid, if it comes with linked aspects or midpoints. But as an isolated aspect it wouldnīt mean much.
I am not convinced, but I am still researching, so I'm open to reach your conclusion at some point. In the meantime, I think if the closest orbs are the most important, it is very easy to overlook the patterns in the chart. I do agree with you, however, that things seem to fall into place anyway, in a good chart. But what I've noticed from the charts I've seen is that they do it at the level of midpoints, rather than close orbs, as you said yourself in another post. For example, a planet seems to "position" itself in order to "catch" multiple aspects with several other planets/asteroids, usually on a midpoint. If it had been positioned more to the left or to the right, thus forming (maybe) just one very close aspect with just one another planet, it wouldn't have been connected with so many other planets/asteroids and the pattern wouldn't have existed. But they seem to fall in the right place (in a good synastry/composite) to tell a story, and the story is told by geometrical means. One example are the DW. They always stick out in a synastry and a significant synastry always has several DW (at least two). Another thing that seems to matter a lot is the multitude of aspects. Apparently, there are 80 aspects between Joanne Woodward and Paul Newman, just between the planets and angles alone (and only the major aspects). Nevertheless, you gave me a very interesting explanation and I always learn a lot from your posts thank you, Ceri. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 31, 2014 01:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by micole maree: Popping in to say hi to you all. I am SO massively behind. We had constant internet outages last week before it got fixed and the catching up is brutal. Email, here...I think it was Page One who asked me about Spirit, the asteroid? I had just completed most of that work when I lost internet. And Ceri, you asked for a specific list of asteroids in chartwork but I've lost those notes and heaven knows where that request is buried in earlier pages. Could you tell me again what you wanted? I think Destinn, Karma and Alma were included but I have forgotten the rest. Off-topic on twin flames, but interestingly, New Guy and I have Juno and Alma conjunct in both tropical composites. Blessings to you all. I'll try to catch up as soon as I can!
Hello back. I donT know anymore what Ihave been asking to be honest. How do you feel abuot the New Guy?
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 31, 2014 02:03 PM
Leeloo,"I am not convinced, " You donīt have to. As you know many astrologers have different approaches. But Ihave to stick to what feels right to ME, so just be prepared that I am going to simply ignore any 10 degree sextle between Chiron and Hylonome. "For example, a planet seems to "position" itself in order to "catch" multiple aspects with several other planets/asteroids, usually on a midpoint." Yes, I notice that, too.
However as always the question is HOW MUCH of a leeway do we give, and still look at something really significant? Or have we crossed the line to verify just practically ANYTHING, just because it would be so nice to have this or that aspect? Some astrologers would say using minor aspects is such an overstretching of boundaries, too, but honestly I rather see an exact quintile than a 7 degree conjunction. Though I am open for discussion when it comes to the minor aspects. still researching. The minor aspect that actually seems to be somewhat more important than others, judging from the lunar phases, is the semisquare and sesisquare. "to tell a story, and the story is told by geometrical means." Yes, but those have to be pretty close to exactness to even BE really geometrical, and not some distorted thing. Just my opinion obviously.
"One example are the DW. They always stick out in a synastry and a significant synastry always has several DW." My rule of thumb is that the average orb of a significant DW should not exceed 2° and certainly not 4°. So if we have one exact aspect the other could have a bigger orb.
"Another thing that seems to matter a lot is the multitude of aspects. " Which of course depends on the orb you use.
While I agree, that yes having an interconnected chart is paramount, aspect numbers of 80 or similiar just sound ridiculous to me and often just speak to the thought that "the more is the better", no matter how you reach that number. This is not a judgement, just my personal opinion. I personally prefer to see a handful very close aspects to the luminaries, angles and nodal axi, than 80 between just anything. But it is a different approach, so if it suits you better to be seeing the greater number, than that is just fine. Just for me I do not care that much for sheer number, but rather want to analyze more closely what SPECIFIC aspect I am looking at there.
Still, yes I DEFINITELY agree that if you have a lot of aspects in a synastry, the relating to each other is much more closely. Actually this does not even have to be positive, for if everything you do, evokes a reaction in someone else. Well let`s say there is a Mars-Uranus-square, exact. So everytime you try to assert your independence, he might blow up instantly. definiteyl a strong relation there, actio-reactio. But probably not that welcome all the time. Also in the case of exact orbs the reaction is instantly, instinctual. Ther eis no time passing between trigger and explosion (or whatever the reaction is). If you have wider orbs, you might actually have more of achoice to react or not. One of the reasons also is that if you have close orbs of let`s say 2 degrees, the planets are hit by transits simultaneously, while if the orb is lets say 5-7 degrees, it is not a simultaneous hit, but more like you react first and then it hits your partner a while later. It is not such a hot spot. Of course I have a slightly different approach to transits, too. 1 degree. THAT is the burning-red-zone, when things really happen. Though the transits can be felt before that into coming, and then fading out, the one degree zone is where it gets really intense. I know not everyone will agree with me. But well, at least I am consistent within my own system. "Nevertheless, you gave me a very interesting explanation and I always learn a lot from your posts thank you, Ceri." You`re welcome.
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IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 31, 2014 02:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by iQ: Great posts once again from all contributors. Indigo, thank you so much for posting the picture and synastry chart of your parents, definitely inspirational. Have you analyzed the Composite with your step-daughter? Your description of your bonding feels as if she is your daughter in a simultaneous realm where lifespans are far longer than that of Earth. Bonds like these are also part of Soul Contracts and Conditions that decide in which specific Earth Lifetime we re-unite with the Twin Flame. I have read that Edgar Cayce and his secretary Gladys Davis were Twin Flames. She faithfully recorded his prophecies. Was that the contract for a reunion in another life or realm? Is identification and acknowledgment of a Twin Flame another sufficient condition for reunion in another timeline? One more possibility, if a specific Galaxy of sentient Beings is headed to perdition, symbolized by being attracted to a Black Hole, then Twin Flames may deliberately separate from Realms to create an Anchor for pulling the Galaxy out of trouble, because in Higher Realms, Twin Flames can never be separated [i.e, that Galaxy can never be destroyed until all Twin Flames pull out] In this case, physical reunion on a planet like Earth is not as important as the actual Spiritual Development of the incarnating Souls, maintaining unconditional love without physical reunion on Earth. In Bhakti Yoga legend, Meera Bai, a Twin Flame of Krishna, spent her entire life in devotion to Sri Krishna [who died eons ago]. Such people raised the frequency of thousands of people. Why I am writing all this is because nobody should become despondent and stop loving others or life in general just because one cannot physically be with the Twin Flame . Loving the Twin Flame from the fully developed Heart Chakra is the Higher Purpose, its reward of reunion can come in any part of 3D Space/Time in the Universe.
I have, iQ, and I'm not certain. I'll gladly share it, however. Perhaps then I am confused by what I'm here to DO in regards to Fate. What our relationship is to be. It seems that I'm holding on to my marriage for reasons I don't even understand. While I clearly love my husband, I wonder, I have to question, how it is he loves me? He doesn't even know why - which smacks of soul contracts to me. But I DO tire of the sense we're just spinning our wheels many days. I feel we're effectively trapped. Just last night, he was taking stock of our poor rate of physical intimacy for the past few years. Much of it's been OUR issues needing resolution. Then I grew frustrated with a sense that I was processing sexuality and physical intimacy on levels he doesn't even acknowledge exist. I started to feel very alone. He processes only on the physical level. He engages in sex for pleasure. That's it. It serves a biological function. Anyway. What he said last night, which is hardly the first time, stuck with me. Resonated with me. We WOULD no doubt be better friends. He 'would be more supportive and have no expectations of me' if we were friends, rather than spouses. I just didn't want to hear it last night. I hate hearing that. But why? Why do I feel like THIS is what we should be doing right now? That THIS makes sense? Don't I feel I deserve happiness? To be madly and passionately in love? Supposedly that's a big part of this whole Twin Flames thing. That seems to just come as part of the package. Perhaps I need to put our charts under the microscope now, as I DO believe we're both deserving of happiness. That's why I can't figure why it is we keep each other stuck in this loop, making slow progress, and then thinking it's 'better now' when it's never what we WANT. We end up content for the time being because we love each other, and we love her. It becomes enough to BE that; I let the marriage part - the stuff of which great marriages are made - fall by the wayside. It's like THAT isn't as important as giving her everything she needs, and our growing as people. Even if it's bringing us apart. He married a lost woman looking to exchange her identity for whatever he suggested she become. She trusted him to remake her as a loveable, wonderful person. It wasn't until he came back into her life, the one she'd written off for too complicated reasons, that she realised that she WAS once loved, and by someone SHE loved, too. And she didn't have to change at all. She didn't have to be remade into someone's fantasy. She was HERSELF, of her OWN choosing - and HE loved her! That was my epiphany in the summer of 2012. It changed everything. Even if it was effectively too late for me and Fate. It still reconnected me with ME - even if my life no longer accommodated it. Since then ... I've just been trying to keep my head above water. I sensed she was the link. In my moments of utmost frustration, I'd sigh and tell her portrait how much I love her but that she MUST know this is hard on me. We have such a psychic link - who knows? When she came into my life, the desire to have a child of my own never took shape. It was never really there, and it just quit with her. Completely. I'd say, 'I don't need to. SHE's my child. SHE's enough.' I still feel that's true. ... But what about me? IP: Logged | |