posted April 02, 2014 02:24 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Interesting idea. This makes me think that larger conjunctions, either in natal or relationship charts,give you the opportunity to use the planetary energies either combined, or separately. A larger conjunction - more free will, more objectivity. Like my stellium - I could access the energy of the three planets synergestically or each planet separately for specific tasks. I don't see this as a bad thing.
The same could apply in synastry or composite - using the conjunction as a tool or the planets slightly separated as separate tools.

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I've definitely got some thoughts on that, LeeLoo. These days, I tend to approach it like Ceri does, but I used wider orbs for a very long time before.

posted April 02, 2014 02:55 AM            

I am glad something good happened for you today.

I was yesterday juggling. I mean literally. a colleague offered to teach us juggling, and I did. Well only with two balls so far to get a feel for it, but it was rather meditative. LOL

posted April 02, 2014 02:56 AM            

free will - yes

posted April 02, 2014 04:13 AM            

A
Venus-Chiron
His Venus sesquisquare my Chiron 2'47 (i wouldn't count it if.. --> )
My Venus sesquisquare his Chiron 0'18

Mars-Chiron
His Mars trine my Chiron 0'56

Neptune-Chiron
His Chiron sesquisquare my Neptune 2'12

B
Venus-Juno
-
Mars-Juno
His Mars conjunct my Juno 0'42

Jupiter-Juno
-
Saturn-Juno
-
Chiron-Juno
His Chiron opposite my Juno 0'40

posted April 02, 2014 07:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Leeloo,

free will - yes

objectivity - no. doesn`t exist.

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I'll go into detail in a minute. And I'm still looking at your charts with your new beau. And, of course, getting my head back on straight. A good thing happened today. Much clicked for me as well.

posted April 02, 2014 10:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
About these pairs:

A
[b]Venus-Chiron
His Venus sesquisquare my Chiron 2'47 (i wouldn't count it if.. --> )
My Venus sesquisquare his Chiron 0'18

Mars-Chiron
His Mars trine my Chiron 0'56

Neptune-Chiron
His Chiron sesquisquare my Neptune 2'12

B
Venus-Juno
-
Mars-Juno
His Mars conjunct my Juno 0'42

Jupiter-Juno
-
Saturn-Juno
-
Chiron-Juno
His Chiron opposite my Juno 0'40

[/B]

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selene,

posted April 02, 2014 10:48 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Selene:
About these pairs:

A
[b]Venus-Chiron
His Venus sesquisquare my Chiron 2'47 (i wouldn't count it if.. --> )
My Venus sesquisquare his Chiron 0'18

Mars-Chiron
His Mars trine my Chiron 0'56

Neptune-Chiron
His Chiron sesquisquare my Neptune 2'12

B
Venus-Juno
-
Mars-Juno
His Mars conjunct my Juno 0'42

Jupiter-Juno
-
Saturn-Juno
-
Chiron-Juno
His Chiron opposite my Juno 0'40

[/B]

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selene,

posted April 02, 2014 04:54 PM            

Orbs.

If there's a thing in astrology more hotly debated cross-system, it's orbs; and this is the glue that makes our aspects stick. The spark to the wick that ignites the whole experience.

Tightening your orbs is inevitable; as are exploring asteroids, Lots, Midpoints, and other branches of astrology.

In the first several years of study, astrology is a vast, uncharted landscape brimming with possibility. Indeed, in our quest to acquire knowledge, we start incorporating everything. We latch on to every possible aspect once used or proposed by an astrologer somewhere at some point.

It's normal, but silly, behaviour.

We're desperate for answers and insight, so we'll take a 4° triquintoceptinovilisquare - and 12° conjunctions. Out of sign, of course.

But time, experience, and a wealth of information at one's fingertips brings a kind of overwhelming deluge of charts, aspects, and 'uncanny' conclusions.

Some become dejected and confused. 'But we have an aspect!' we proclaim, speaking of love's labours now lost, and some delineation someone wrote expressing our fatedness to be together.

The finger of blame often turns about on astrology itself. Else, why would these things be happening?

If you're still here - congratulations. You cleared the first big hurdle which weeds out many. You stuck with it. You decided it's likely not the practise itself, but the fault lies somewhere with the method. And you were right.

Orbs too wide lead to false positives.

But, I hear you object - what of what we can miss by keeping them too narrow?

Agreed.

Astrology, in its finest hour, is a brilliant harmony of sacred geometry manifested here on earth; it's what we mere mortals hope to decode of God's intrinsic wonder. It's a marvellous Rosetta Stone - when used properly.

In my humble experience, Ceri's got the right idea; Delilah found the logic of why, and, LeeLoo, I came to your conclusion before I realised all of that.

There's wisdom in all of these methods. And, what I've decided is:

ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL.

Astrology becomes a bit more art than science as I enter a quarter-century of study. But that's okay. It's following the little rules which keeps us to a sure course.

Orbs are variable; dependent upon many other factors.

There's a definite logic in keeping synastric orbs tight so as to grasp a greater synergy with the composite. That feels quite right to me.

But I agree with LeeLoo's realisation that some degrees hold traces of a kind of undeniably intelligent design. It's no accident why we 'don't have the aspect we want'. We might just find - we get the one we need.

And, yes, Midpoints, more than anything, illuminate this concept for me. Over time, you can't help but eyeball why something is 'missing', because it's energy is being fused into a Midpoint. But that takes time and practise.

So I use a striated method.

Encouraged by Ceri's success with doing so, I began tightening my orbs a few years ago. I added to it a kind of review-and-filtre practise atop of it. (Really, it should only be used when you're very serious and getting into the real guts of a chart. Otherwise, it's a little overkill.)

I wish someone could recall the thread which discussed individual weighting of points, and how these influenced acceptable orbs. It was quite useful. Until I have that, I won't steer you wrong with misinformation.

Suffice it to say, wider orbs were allowed for the luminaries, and more heavily weighted points.

HOW they're weighted can be very dependent upon one's individual chart. Key point there.

For example, is the aspect to a singleton planet - but wide? That's a different story. They're weighted heavier than average. A 5° synastric conjunction to it will be felt.

But as much as a 2°?

Aye, there's the rub.

I'm attracted to a system of individual weighting by applying simple calculations - but not for quick and dirty charting.

So what do we do?

Let's go in a slightly different direction than usual.

I once fell head over heels for a man in my junior year of college. Luckily, he felt the same for me. What had been a relatively frequent online association by way of a mutual local friend culminated in a single meeting a few years later. Sparks more than flew. It was an instantaneous bonding.

Happily ever after? Obviously, not in my case. It wasn't just the distance; he gladly made the 3-hour drive to spend each weekend with me for the handful of months we had a relationship.

I was involved with someone else. Going into 2 years, in fact. A lifetime for a university student. The relationship had been dwindling, slowly. There were things missing. Big things. I wanted out. He didn't, and so I found myself in a polyamorous association for the first time.

But what drew me to this man like a magnet? What brought him to fall for me unlike he ever had before - to where he never recovered from our uncoupling of mere months?

Incredible synastry, right?

Remarkable composite?

Well, there's this ...

KARMA quindecile DESTINN (0°48)
KARMA opposite MOON (0°50)
DESTINN opposite MOON (3°50)
KARMA quadronovile KARMA (0°50)

• Or, the more standard fare:

ASC trine ASC (1°90)
VENUS trine ASC (3°95)
SATURN conjunct ASC (1°65)
MOON sextile ASC (1°15)
SUN trine SUN (0°08)
MERCURY trine SUN (0°84)
MARS square MERCURY (0°30)
JUPITER trine MARS (2°00)

• Or adding a bit of texture:

JUNO conjunct DSC (0°88)
APHRODITE sextile VENUS (0°22)
LUST-MOON sextile VENUS (0°80)
EROS sextile SATURN (0°60)
APHRODITE sextile ASC (1°85)
MOON sextile DESTINN (0°75)

• How about ...

CHIRON trine VENUS (3°17)
MARS quincunx CHIRON (3°17)

• Or:

MOON sextile EROS (2°20)
PSYCHE square SUN (3°80)

• Is this valid?

PSYCHE quindecile EROS (0°70)
EROS sextile PSYCHE (3°19)

• Which direction is the erotic energy flowing?

MARS semisextile VENUS (3°19)
VENUS triseptile MARS (2°50)

• Is this even worth my time? Is it a double-whammy?

SUN conjunct PLUTO (0°05)
PLUTO trine SUN (2°30)

All valid questions.

To be honest, this became a wonderful example for me, as it illustrates SO many 'orb issues' I've faced over the years.

posted April 02, 2014 05:04 PM            

I'll go for Juno conj DSC if it was your Juno and Lust/Moon sextile Venus if it was his Lust

posted April 02, 2014 10:06 PM            

So, I found myself looking through some things yesterday...looking through the stash of obituaries that I have of those that have transitioned over the last few years, and happened to find a little note (a card sent to a late aunt) that had my birth info on it...It was one of those birth announcement cards one might send out after having a child. According to this note, my birth time is actually about 1.5 hours later than what I'd been given...And guess where I happened to find this card? Tucked in the obituary of the late brother (literally a brother from another mother, yet one of the very few family members I was actually close to) that shares a birthday with my "TF"...The one that transitioned exactly one year and 2 days before "TF" did...I don't even know how the card got there, it was actually a birth announcement that was sent to an Aunt, who also transitioned a few years ago. I suppose the time could be off, but...I don't know. It's an exact time, down to the minute...I'm...I don't know...annoyed I guess.

I'm just so put off by that...The time. With the house positions now...My Sun and Venus are now back in the 11th, a Cancer Asc (which now conj. my Vesta by a degree), my Moon now on my IC (1.5), and my MC in Pisces sitting right on that Pallas-Lilith conj. I also now have a 5th house stellium, with Saturn a part of that. I can see the Asc, and even the MC, but over all not so much.

The synastry with "TF" and this new chart, well now my MC conj. his Moon (exact) and Asc, with my IC now exactly on Ceres and my Moon now about a degree away. We have an MC-AC/IC-DC conj. now, instead of an AC-IC. It falls along our Moon-Moon opposition, placing further emphasis on that Vir/Pis axis. My vertex also now rests along our Mars-Sun-Mars aspect (Tau/Sco axis), with his Mars on my Avx (2). Our Asc. are now trine, my Asc. sextile his Sun-Juno (and more loosely, Pluto), and my MC squ. his MC-Saturn.

I'm having trouble digesting the new house placements, esp. the 11th and 5th house stellia, Jupiter in the 7th, Neptune in the 6th...Some things I can see, but eh...I'm mostly put off by this new chart. Maybe I just need time to explore it to make sense of it.

This probably isn't the place to post this, but I thought I'd share it here anyway. If for nothing else than the "new" synastry aspects with "TF" (interesting that we still ended up with that angle contact), but I lose certain important aspects with just about every other connection I've looked up. Particularly the the ones with family (it's one reason I was going through those obituaries in the first place, looking for birth info. to run charts), which is also a bit off-putting. Though, if this really is the case, I guess I really shouldn't be surprised...I'm inclined to believe the note since it was written shortly after birth, and it included an exact minute, but I intend to get verification from the hospital anyway. Until then, I guess my angles (and any aspects/info. I posted involving them) are pretty much useless.

posted April 02, 2014 10:37 PM            

It made me think of that Helio composite, where I was looking for something on 11 Sag. Not sure how a MP (from the gt-natal) would fit in here though. Do you think there's a connection here?

Also, what orbs do you use for MP conjunctions/oppositions? I thought it was 1 degree, or something like that.

posted April 03, 2014 01:56 AM            

I'm glad you did tell us! That's quite something, and there are many ways to view the situation. Strangely, for no viable reason at all, I had the random thought to take a snapshot of the copy I received of my BC, (when I was trying to acquire a casino work permit, which ultimately led to marrying my husband) to 'prove' the 'legitimacy' of my data. I guess now I know why?

If we go by the premise we create the reality in which we live, then maybe you were creating influences that were in alignment with the chart you thought had. I don't think it makes it invalid, either. You lived under that impression - under 'those stars' - whether they're the ones under which you were born, so to speak, or not.

Could you tell me more about the situation with the man you believe to be your Twin Flame? Also, are you working with iQ to seek an astrological 'confirmation' of that belief or conclusion?

I'm coming to decide that, in my case, I suspected there would be external forces at work in each other's lives to complicate and delay Reunion. I think that I devised / 'designed' circumstances in which I would study astrology as it would be the tool I, personally, would need in order to commit to a spiritual path - and one that would lead to an eventual reuniting.

posted April 03, 2014 05:52 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Morph,

I'm glad you did tell us! That's quite something, and there are many ways to view the situation. Strangely, for no viable reason at all, I had the random thought to take a snapshot of the copy I received of my BC, (when I was trying to acquire a casino work permit, which ultimately led to marrying my husband) to 'prove' the 'legitimacy' of my data. I guess now I know why?

If we go by the premise we create the reality in which we live, then maybe you were creating influences that were in alignment with the chart you thought had. I don't think it makes it invalid, either. You lived under that impression - under 'those stars' - whether they're the ones under which you were born, so to speak, or not.

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I don't know about creating influences, because I only got into astro a couple of years ago, and much of what I was drawing from had already taken place. I think it would be better to say that perhaps I didn't understand it well enough, and looked at circumstances that lined up with the descriptions I was finding for the chart that I had. I mean, it made sense to believe what I'd read about the 12th/6th (for example), given the issues/experiences I've had related to those houses and placements (though, I do still have my NNode and Chiron in the 12th, with Uranus in the 6th). Not only can I relate to the placements, but it also happens that connections like these show up; my step-Father's Moon-Pluto conj. my Leo IC (with is Aqua Sun on the other end), like my bio Father's Sun-Pluto fell on it, that another SC's Asc-Pluto fell on it (Aries sun with his Sag Moon in my 7th), and the only ex I have, with his Leo Sun and Venus. I tend to get long easily with Leos. The Aqua MC that seemed to be connected to the Aquas that came up in my life; my Mother, step-Father, and other family and associates...Typically older authority figures...The Gemini Asc conj. my bro's Moon and my cousin's Sun. My Sag Dsc, well that's where SC#2's Moon fell, my half-bro's Moon (with a Virgo Sun), my Grandmother's Sun (with a Pisces Moon), a couple of childhood friends and another SC with Sag Suns that have impacted me. An instant connection in each case with those Sags. There's a mutual affinity with Pisces (instant connection, again) and they show up in the form of friends, with Scorpios more in the form of co-workers and colleagues. There's always been a natural affinity/connection with the Virgos (few family, associates, and of course "TF") as well; we just get each other. Very few successful Cancer associations, only 3, but there's a connection with them. Few Libras, and it's typically an intellectual connection with them (likewise with Geminis). While there are Capricorns around, there seems to be a disconnect with them. I could go on, but it's all to say that it would be easy to make a mistake like this (if it is in fact a mistake), esp. as this is what I started with when I knew nothing about astrology. I wasn't considering all the other factors that could also be contributing to such manifestations when I first began looking into this chart.

I'm looking at it now, seeing that instead of a Leo-Aqua angle, I've got a 5th/11th stellium. Instead of the 6th/12th stellium, I've got a Pisces/Virgo angle. Instead of having a Sag Dsc, I've got Jupiter in the 7th with Saturn as its ruler (where as Saturn was actually in the 6th before,now Neptune is in the 6th). I just think that's funny.

I'll study this chart anyway. Seeing Saturn there in the 5th could actually make some sense out of the 11th/5th stellia and how it could be manifesting in my life. I also see the connections there with "TF", but I can't get into that now. Not going any further until I get validation on the birth time.

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Could you tell me more about the situation with the man you believe to be your Twin Flame? Also, are you working with iQ to seek an astrological 'confirmation' of that belief or conclusion?

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Well, he transitioned a few years ago, which is mostly why I haven't said much about it...I've shared bits and pieces here and there, but it's hard for me to really get into it like that. I'm also not really looking for validation in that sense. That part is settled. It's more about curiosity, and learning (regarding the astrological aspects), and offering advice/messages/guidance (outside of astro) when and where I can. It's also hard for me to remain focused here... I have been around more lately because I've been sick, but still...

I haven't contacted IQ yet (and I'm glad I haven't with this recent discovery), hadn't really thought to, but I guess it would be interesting to see what he comes up with. I might send him a note once I have validation on the birth time.

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I'm coming to decide that, in my case, I suspected there would be external forces at work in each other's lives to complicate and delay Reunion. I think that I devised / 'designed' circumstances in which I would study astrology as it would be the tool I, personally, would need in order to commit to a spiritual path - and one that would lead to an eventual reuniting.

:hug:

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Yes, it has been a valuable tool for self analysis, which is really what this is about for me. I've also learned a lot here in the process of looking into our charts, and found yet more validation, so that is also a blessing.

posted April 03, 2014 07:19 AM            

a) solstice points

b) draconic - natal comparison ? For example, tight conjunctions from one persons draconic to another ones natal chart and vice versa? Does it point to something as well?

posted April 03, 2014 07:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
Is it possible to have a dream of someone coming into your life like very important soulmate/possibly TF?

Some time ago i had a casual dream of me being somewhere where i haven't been in real life, and suddenly i feel that i start singing some unexplainable sounds (LOL), my feet got off the ground, and i was sort of floating somewhere (at this moment i realised i was dreaming). Where this floating got me, He came in. It was a man i hadn't seen in my life, but i recognised him as being someone very important to me. I touched his face and hair, and it felt so real... then he just said - wait. And then i woke up. What would this mean?

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posted April 03, 2014 07:37 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yes, he should be your Animus

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posted April 03, 2014 07:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
What does it mean?

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Here:

Anima / Animus

These are terms that Jung created to describe the opposite-gender self that lives within each of us.

The anima is the feminine component dwelling inside a male's unconscious mind. The animus is the masculine component dwelling inside a female's unconscious mind.

In dreams, this opposite-gender self can be a helper or an antagonist. These dream figures can appear as translations of persons we meet with whom we have a tremendous sense of romantic love or platonic camaraderie. One of Jung's interpreters held that the anima/animus character was only understandable to those who have known true love.

However, our opposite-gender selves may reveal to us negativity in ourselves or negativity we perceive in dealings with the opposite sex. It is important to note that sometimes, when you dream about a person of the opposite sex, they may be representing your own inner self. Carefully consider all persons of the opposite sex in your dreams as a possible appearance of your own anima / animus.

What do these strangers teach you about how you view the opposite sex-do you fear, lust for, or despise these strangers for any apparent reason?

posted April 03, 2014 10:27 AM            

My Dr.Sun conjunct His N.Uranus 1'30
My Dr.Moon opposite His N.Sun 3'00
My D. Venus conjunct his N.SN 0'02
My D. Jupiter opposite his N.Sun 0'08
My D. Saturn conjunct his N.Venus 0'05 ( conjunct my N.DSC 1, my N.Karma 1)
My D.Uranus opposite his N.Sun/Moon MP 0'45
My D.Pluto conjunct his N.Jupiter 1 (conjunct his N.DSC 1, my N.Neptune 1, our composite Sun exact)
My D.Chiron conjunct his N. Atlantis 0
My D.Amor conjunct his N.Mars 0

His D. Sun opposite my N. Chiron 0
His D.Moon conjunct my N.Pluto 3
His D.Moon conjunct my N.POF 1
His D.Mercury opposite my N.Moon 0
His D.Venus conjunct my N.Uranus 0
His D.Neptune conjunct my N.Sun 3
His D.Vertex conjunct my N.ASC 0'03!!!!
His D.Karma opposite my N.Uranus 0
His D.Eros conjunct my N.Sun 1
His D.Valentine conjunct my N.Psyche 0
His D.Atlantis opposite my N. Neptune 1 (opposite his N.Jupiter&DSC 1, opposite our composite Sun 0)
His D. Destinn conjunct my N. Mars 0
His D. IC conjunct my N. Psyche 0

posted April 03, 2014 10:36 AM            

My Moon in 11H, his Sun in 11H
My Mars in 10H, his Venus in 10H
My Saturn in 5H, his Saturn in 5H, etc.

Also similar aspects with planets. For example, we both have (with tighter or wider orbs, but still) Sun trine Mars, Moon square Pluto, Moon sextile Mars, Venus sextile Jupiter, Venus square Uranus, Sun square Neptune, etc.

posted April 03, 2014 11:20 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Soooooo.... Can we discuss more about this idea that "everyone has a TF". Some agree, some don't. And if not everyone does have a TF, I'm having a difficult time grasping why we were "chosen" per se...or why we volunteered...either way.

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posted April 03, 2014 11:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
Also, does it count in the mirroring (?) pattern in charts, if we have in our natals:

My Moon in 11H, his Sun in 11H
My Mars in 10H, his Venus in 10H
My Saturn in 5H, his Saturn in 5H, etc.

Also similar aspects with planets. For example, we both have (with tighter or wider orbs, but still) Sun trine Mars, Moon square Pluto, Moon sextile Mars, Venus sextile Jupiter, Venus square Uranus, Sun square Neptune, etc.

It gives some kind of resonating energy between us. I mean, we're both opposites - I'm Libra, he's Aries. Our Suns are in an exact quindecile to each other, so are our Moons and Marses respectively. But these similar positions and aspects gives that vibe that we simply get each other, can understand where the other is coming from and with what we're dealing. I guess.

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yes it counts for a lot actually.