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Selene
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posted April 11, 2014 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does 9th harmonic chart imply? Does it deal with karma/soul?

Why does trines and conjunctions also show up as conjunctions in the 9th harmonic chart? I thought it would show only aspects of novile kind?

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In Jyotish the 9th harmonic chart is called "Navamsa" or "Navamsha", and it is the chart Vedic astrologers rely most on, after the Rasi chart (the normal natal).
It is said to represent the "soul", yes, and also is used mostly as a "marriage- (partner)-chart", but also said to describe what the later part of life will be like.


The 9th harmonic chart shows noviles of any kind, and the trine is part of the novile-series. It is the trinovile, or trine (novile = 40°, and 3x40= 120°, the trine).

Conjunctions, if they are close in orb, stay intact through all the harmonic charts, as they represent 1st harmonic, and the lower harmonics are represented in the higher ones as well.

Which also means that even though the 4th harmonic aspect technically is just a square, the 4th harmonic chart also shows conjunctions and oppositions as 4th harmonic conjunctions, because they are 1st harmonic (conuj.) and 2nd harmonic (opposition) aspects, and thus part of the higher 4th harmonic, too (4 is divisible through 1 and 2 of course).

If you look at an 8th harmonic chart - this is the semisquare and sesisquare, however squares also come up as conjunctions in that chart, because the lower harmonic "4" (the square-harmonic) is part of the "8", too.


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posted April 11, 2014 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking about a specific thing I would like to check the charts for, and though I think there is a Venus/Pluto-theme, though puzzingly we do not have the synastric aspect, just the natal resonance and composite-square.
And also a Pluto-Proserpina-theme.

I was most curious about his ARTHUR conjunct my GUINEVERE within about a degree orb in tropical synastry.


I found it VERY interesting to see now that in


tD30:
his GUINEVERE (and Chiron): 17 Cancer
my ARTHUR: 18 Cancer


trD60:
his GUINEVERE: 4 scorpio
his ChiroN. 5 Scorpio

my ARTHUR;: 6 Scorpio

so while in the basic chart it is HIS Arthur conjunct MY Guinevere, in the D30 and D60 it is MY Arthur on HIS Guinevere both times.
this is interesting.


it doesnīt come up in the 11th chart though.


In the SD30:

his GUINEVERE 29 Cancer
his Chiron 00 Leo
my ARTHUR 02 Leo

in the SD60:
the conjunction is even wider


Interestingly though
my sidereal D60 GUINEVERE conjuncts composite ARTHUR exact
and my sid D60 ARTHUR conjuncts composite GUINEVERE

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posted April 11, 2014 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is D30 and D60?

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posted April 11, 2014 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Divisional charts in Vedic, or 30th and 60th harmonic chart.

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posted April 11, 2014 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Divisional charts in Vedic, or 30th and 60th harmonic chart.

Do we need to see them in sidereal?

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posted April 11, 2014 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Depends if you are a Vedic astrologer or not.

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posted April 11, 2014 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So if in tropical D30

my Sun conjunct his Neptune EXACT (DW)
his Sun conjunct my Neptune 1

my Sun conjunct his Pluto EXACT

my Moon opposite his Neptune 1,5
my Moon opposite his Pluto 2

My Mars conjunct his Psyche EXACT

my Uranus opposite his Sun EXACT - the theme continues

my IC conjunct his Sun 1,5

We both have Moon opposite Sun in our respective charts.

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posted April 11, 2014 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, i'm surely not. So just in tropical, ok.


What do these divisional charts mean on their own?

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posted April 11, 2014 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In D60

My Sun conjuncts his Neptune 1,5
My Sun conjuncts his Pluto EXACT

My Moon conjuncts his Neptune 3

My Venus conjuncts his Vertex EXACT

My Mars opposite his Chiron EXACT

My Uranus conjuncts his Sun EXACT

My Neptune conjuncts his Sun 2,5

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posted April 11, 2014 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
David Cochrane mentions the 30th harmonic in his book, too. He finds it to be of utmost importance, but not in any negative sense, just in the sense that -in his observation- it seems to describe the internal personality quite aptly.

Right. He's discussing the aspect, though, if I recall correctly. Which surprised me. I was reading The First 32 Harmonics yesterday, and it suddenly occurred to me that we were discussing aspects in a natal.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
In Jyotish the 9th harmonic chart is called "Navamsa" or "Navamsha", and it is the chart Vedic astrologers rely most on, after the Rasi chart (the normal natal).
It is said to represent the "soul", yes, and also is used mostly as a "marriage- (partner)-chart", but also said to describe what the later part of life will be like.


The 9th harmonic chart shows noviles of any kind, and the trine is part of the novile-series. It is the trinovile, or trine (novile = 40°, and 3x40= 120°, the trine).

Conjunctions, if they are close in orb, stay intact through all the harmonic charts, as they represent 1st harmonic, and the lower harmonics are represented in the higher ones as well.

Which also means that even though the 4th harmonic aspect technically is just a square, the 4th harmonic chart also shows conjunctions and oppositions as 4th harmonic conjunctions, because they are 1st harmonic (conuj.) and 2nd harmonic (opposition) aspects, and thus part of the higher 4th harmonic, too (4 is divisible through 1 and 2 of course).

If you look at an 8th harmonic chart - this is the semisquare and sesisquare, however squares also come up as conjunctions in that chart, because the lower harmonic "4" (the square-harmonic) is part of the "8", too.


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posted April 11, 2014 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Depends if you are a Vedic astrologer or not.

Yeah, I'm discovering there's benefit to using Tropical for these, if we're looking at the current karma here, in the present incarnation.

Sidereal more provides information regarding the motivations driving those actions - in my humble, limited research thus far.

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posted April 11, 2014 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there a point in comparing these harmonics to natal charts?

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posted April 11, 2014 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

Yeah, I'm discovering there's benefit to using Tropical for these, if we're looking at the current karma here, in the present incarnation.

Sidereal more provides information regarding the motivations driving those actions - in my humble, limited research thus far.


I can see that, buts eriously sometimes i feel overwhelmed. How do you NOT lose the view on the "big whole"? Sometimes one can drown in so many single aspects.
And it starts feeling meaningless.

Its like one needs to have a good roadmap to see which signs are really pertaining to us and the path we are following to our destination.

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posted April 11, 2014 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Selene:
Is there a point in comparing these harmonics to natal charts?

Some do.

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posted April 11, 2014 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Is there a point in comparing these harmonics to natal charts?

Absolutely.

Whatever these are, I'm discovering they provide something of a 'missing link' between the other more commonly used tropical systems - our geocentric, Draconic, and Helio natals, synastries and composites.

Why this is, I'm not yet sure. But these results are uncanny. I can't find any true mathematical reasons for them, either. The linkages and aspects that appear in these don't have any sound reasoning. None.

I'm not sure WHAT these are. But this method is very, very familiar to me.

... Atlantean Astrology? Kidding. ... I think ...

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I believe the tropical chart is our portal, through which all experiences need to be filtered/ let through to manifest in the Here and now.

That is the reason I focus on conjunctions of other dimensional charts to the tropical - direct access, you know?

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posted April 11, 2014 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Besides his 9th VALENTINE is conjunct my natal Sun exact (on GC).

Sooo ... of course I would like to think this is a meaningful aspect. It sounds rather nice actually.

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posted April 11, 2014 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I can see that, buts eriously sometimes i feel overwhelmed. How do you NOT lose the view on the "big whole"? Sometimes one can drown in so many single aspects.
And it starts feeling meaningless.

Its like one needs to have a good roadmap to see which signs are really pertaining to us and the path we are following to our destination.


For me, this method feels like a machete. I've been able to slice through so much underbrush and dross, finally seeing what's underneath. THAT's the part that's overwhelming me. Not so much the methodology, but its revelations.

I CAN become overwhelmed and feel as if I'm losing my footing in things, however. Too many points. Too many rocks. Too much ... of everything. That would force me to pare down dramatically and start all over again, from the basic 9.

But this time ... it was all there, RIGHT there, without my having to look for anything.

I looked up the Sabian for 18š PISCES, too.

A smattering from about the 'net:

In A Huge Tent, A Famous Revivalist Conducts His Meeting With A Spectacular Performance.

Keywords: Energy and inspiration. Having a lot to say. Evangelism. Whipped up emotions. Media circus. Instructional or dogmatic. Ecstasy. Loud voices. Mind control. Performing. Showmanship.

... I don't think I just shivered because it's cold in here.

Sigh. God in heaven .... This is just too much.

But I'm ready for it. You know? I'm tired of guessing. Tired of NOT knowing. Tired of being afraid. I'm ready to accept. To move on. To move forward.

I've been released a little - given a bit of slack, but I'm not free. Ohhh, no. I'm not free. I've been 'released' into HIS custody. I can FEEL it.

This is not a comfortable place for me, karmically speaking. I've spent many, many lifetimes fighting for my individuality against him - my freedom from him - from this ownership, this being so beholden.

Here, it's a warm, yet not romantic, but very unconditional, love. Rooted in friendship. Very genuine. Very real. Here, the balance of power is equal, the respect mutual, and clear acknowledgement of each other's individual boundaries.

But THEN ... oh, God, THEN!

Without fail, every time this man and I are together, and sharing a level of emotional intimacy (ANY level is a stretch for us) the dreams that night ... in my case, this just last night .... they're so telling. So thematic. So clear.

I'm understanding the essence now, of the Guardian Soulmate relationship. How it differs from other Soulmate relationships, connexions, and bonds.

The balance of power. It's NOT in your favour. It's shifted SO far to the other side, it's a wonder you have any independence, any individuality, at all.

Because, well, you don't.

I suppose for some it's a platonic matter, even parental in nature. But it is certainly NOT that way for me. But I blame the means with which humanity as a whole struggles to obtain connexion. To merge. TRULY. MERGE.

Our Guardian is not our Twin Flame. We do not share their ray; they are not the 'other half' of our soul. But WE are so like them - so adjoined to them - because WE have been fused with them. INTO them.

It's likely a frightening sort of thing, as while you are joined to your Guardian, they encompass, embody, and exhibit shades, pieces, and elements of your entire soul-family. With them, you are home - but you are NOT free.

Someone like me ... THAT really sets my teeth on edge. Being so independent as to be solitary, and very, very hard to reach. Seems my soul, too, is NOT fond of this concept; I can't begin to count or even trace how long I've been raging against his hold.

But. BUT. I shouldn't.

This is one of those troublesome things that goes beyond my comprehension as a human being. This 'assimilation' into this older, (oh, BELIEVE me, they're older; maybe they don't seem it - maybe they even seem lost themselves, 'in the third dimensional pattern' - but they've got a few aeons on us) soul.

Do they volunteer?
Are they chosen?
Are we paired for some reason? Karma? Similarity? No doubt we come from the same soul-family. They're likely to just be a few 'generations' back. A good 'octave' or so from us.

Dare I even say WE are a 'harmonic' of them?

So there's an instant similarity, as we no doubt feel the pull to every piece of our soul-family resonating somehow within or through them.

Hence, the name. Guardian. Not only do they guard, direct, and guide us - they are RESPONSIBLE for OUR development. OUR failure is THEIR failure.

Perhaps that's why the soul connexion is so bloody intense. Anyone with an ounce of 'me' to them, with a fierce sense of individuality is going to rage all hell against anyone with THAT much power over them.

Because that's EXACTLY what it is. It's power. Not academically. Energetically.

I noticed something, yesterday, in comparing my experiences, so to speak. Something was very, very different here - and I was beginning to show signs of what I'd consider to be sexual obsession. Me! That's so incredible as to be completely absurd!

On top of that, sexual obsession is chemical. It's oxytocin surges and brain chemistry and a bit of synaptic rewiring (for lack of better) which creates a powerful behavioural response not that far off of addiction.

We hadn't even been together since - a month! Maybe longer? And it's never been what anyone would consider 'good'. Tantric is a more accurate comparison. And yet! That pull .... It diminished completely for nearly the entire month. As I was trying to sort things (on multiple levels) with Fate, and going on my own complicated journey of a kind.

Then, like a switch had been flipped, Monday, I was a crazed, secret addict. I HAD to be with him again soon. Or I'd ... just ... go mad.

The whole thing's insane! But I couldn't deny it, either, and I think ... yesterday ... I may've finally learnt WHY.

FINALLY.

Bear with me. It's going to get ... a bit odd. (Ha! Like it hasn't already?) But I FEEL it SO completely ... I have to share. It seems right somehow. At least to me.

There's something to the very conscious act of surrendering; of lowering your defences, and releasing what contains you. For me, it was in the simple, basic activity of the merging in and of itself which allowed me to be absorbed - and become GREATER than I was.

... I know. It's strange. Difficult to articulate. VERY much so.

He and I both acknowledged our great difficulties in this area - of connexion. But as we're both attempting to 'rejoin the human race', as it were, since we've been spectators for so, so long - we were each, I think, contributing a bit more this time, on levels of which neither of us were aware.

It was heady for us both (as he told me) but for me ... per my personal experience ... VERY dizzying, indeed. Not literally dizzying like that fantastic experience I had last month - the bizarre combination of the physical and aethereal. Just ... intense. Things were going on I couldn't process consciously - so I honestly didn't.

But afterward, and even a bit during, the reality that I'd been slowly accepting, hit me squarely.

It isn't passion, in the classical sense, that draws me to this man, to the intimacy we share. I'm not in love with him, either. There is a love there. It goes beyond friendship. Beyond companionship. It goes beyond HERE. It goes beyond US.

There's a dialogue going on now, an undercurrent, in tongues I don't speak yet. But the noise is deafening if I try and 'listen'. Yeah. I know. Cryptic enough for you? Sorry. It's just SO hard to explain.

But it's a constant stream. A transmission. It's going on underneath everything, on a level far below my cognisance, and the power of it is frightening. Usurping. Overwhelming.

This is what's transpiring when we're physically together. That channel of sorts was trying to open - and now it has.

What was released into my subconscious ... OH. God help me. I'm still recovering.

What I'm recovering from is the reality of this connexion. The INESCAPABILITY (hello, ATROPOS!) of this thing. Of its power, control, and sheer dominance over ANYTHING I might feebly HOPE to throw at it, to break, lessen, or otherwise alter it.

IT. WON'T. BE. DONE.

Until it's done. And when THAT is? Who knows? We've been at this a VERY long time. I've been in his 'care' and 'control' for a VERY long time.

Something about that channel, though, which I think defines the Guardian Soulmate relationship - in its essence. As I said, your lack of control. Your lacking individuality away from this person. Your INABILITY to break FREE of them, and establish yourself AWAY from them.

Terrifying enough?

Well, you'd better accept it. Or learn to. I am. SLOWLY.

That part of him which underlies the conscious experience draws directly from my surrendering - my vulnerability. My acceptance. It bolsters, and is empowered, and strengthened, and intensified by that energy.

Now, I KNOW what you're thinking. It sounds a lot like a very weak form of psychic attack. Like an energy drain. So, why on earth would anyone in their right mind be cool with someone literally pulling something from them - in a fashion?

Well, I know I'M not. I had the unfortunate exploration of such things back in my teens. Learnt a lot. I also learnt how to identify certain things - luckily. What is, and what isn't. As, it's true. You never know. And my mother and I've both been 'attacked' in our present lives.

But today I'm ... well, outside of that whirlwind of a dreamstate trip, and the overwhelming insights it leant me - outside of the fact I'm recovering from THAT -

I feel fantastic. Clear. Sharp. Calm. Focussed. Driven. Powerful.

I actually feel quite powerful. Quite empowered.

He gives nothing, I give everything - and yet, what's lost? Nothing.

It's an EXCHANGE. It's ... alchemy! In its most incredible, potent form. In what I give, I MUST be receiving FAR more than that of which I'm even aware, because I'm more balanced, more 'complete', more capable than I've been in a long, LONG time.

I grit my teeth and surrendered. I stamped my foot, but gave in. I exhaled an aggravated sigh, weeping for some semblance of my 'lost individuality' - and I gained more than I can articulate.

I would understand if THIS is what people are always raving about when they talk about sex, but I know that just isn't the case. And, frankly, no wonder I found myself so ... underwhelmed in this area.

So. Enough rambling.

Guardian Soulmates. I've come to now understand what defines that relationship apart from other Soulmate bonds, and why it is SO crucial to becoming what you are. To fulfilling your purpose, as a Graduate, or Twin Flame - however you want to call it.

NOT something to take lightly at ALL.

Which is why I'm pretty sure we have heavy karma with our Guardians. I'm theorising that may be why we've become so bound to them. Maybe we travelled similar roads for so long, that it made sense, whenever whatever 'decree from on high' came down, they were the ones ultimately saddled with us.

And here we are.

Wow. What a complex, yet beautiful, relationship of frightening potency and ability.

I am, in a word, amazed. And much, much more enlightened than I was.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I believe the tropical chart is our portal, through which all experiences need to be filtered/ let through to manifest in the Here and now.

That is the reason I focus on conjunctions of other dimensional charts to the tropical - direct access, you know?


EXACTLY. Couldn't have put it better myself.

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A part of me is really revolting against what you wrote, especially the power-thing, but the other part - I think it`s what I loathe most about my attention to Jude.

It`s so uncharacteristic, so not-me, when it comes to him I feel so uncharacteristically judgemental (my Saturn exactly conjunct his SN. ello?), and also bound. No, not, bonded, Freaking BOUND, tied, overpowered (and maybe empowered all the same).

Ever since I have seen him, now and then there will this little piece from the musical Les Miserable play in my head:
"One word from him and I'd be back
Beneath the lash, upon the rack"

Well, actually some parts of the whole song are oddly fitting, though others do not fit at all

"What have I done?
Sweet Jesus, what have I done?
Become a thief in the night,
Become a dog on the run
And have I fallen so far,
And is the hour so late
That nothing remains but the cry of my hate,
The cries in the dark that nobody hears,
Here where I stand at the turning of the years?

If there's another way to go
I missed it twenty long years ago
My life was a war that could never be won
They gave me a number and murdered Valjean
When they chained me and left me for dead
Just for stealing a mouthful of bread

Yet why did I allow that man
To touch my soul and teach me love?
He treated me like any other
He gave me his trust
He called me brother
My life he claims for God above
Can such things be?
For I had come to hate the world
This world that always hated me

Take an eye for an eye!
Turn your heart into stone!
This is all I have lived for!
This is all I have known!

One word from him and I'd be back
Beneath the lash, upon the rack
Instead he offers me my freedom
I feel my shame inside me like a knife
He told me that I had a soul,
How does he know?
What spirit comes to move my life?
Is there another way to go?

I am reaching, but I fall
And the night is closing in
As I stare into the void
To the whirlpool of my sin
I'll escape now from the world
From the world of Jean Valjean
Jean Valjean is nothing now
Another story must begin!"

My friend and me actually have been to the V&A when we were in London and watching Dr Faustus (and Les Enfants terribles).

I HATED Dr Faustus, with every beat of my heart, with a frenzied feverish passion that still creeps me out. I donīt even remember it to a big part, don`t ask me where my mind has been while watching it.
Curiously though I dreamed of it last week (that was what started the whole Jude-reminiscence-phase=), I was actually looking at that stage, where it was being performed, saying to someone who was there, that I would not have been able to cope had I been there, seeing it live. The words I used were "too close, too ******* close. I can`t deal."
Not "I wouldn`t have been able to deal", but "I CAN`t deal". Present tense.

The past life recalls I have had about Jude, they ALL deal with power, the disbalance of it.

I suppose it must be a reflection of his Sun conjunct my Venus (and his PARVATI/KAALI - my ISIS/OSIRIS - it is not just a Sun-Venus-conjunction, it is loaded with archetypes. lol) and his Sun/my Venus squared by both Pluto`s made angular by being placed on the MC.

There is this weird thing, we both have angular Neptune (on ASC) and angular Pluto (on MC), however natally these are not exact.
Each other`s angle is what makes them exact!

His Neptune - my ASC: 0°53
my Neptune - his ASC: 0°50

his Pluto - my MC: 0°34
my Pluto - his MC: 0°46

I am usually relatively sane and rational, and I know I am totally irrational when it comes to him, and I am sure he is a perfectly normal, if flawed, human being. Nothing out of the ordinary. And I donīt even know him. lol
But sometimes I feel like I react to a compilation of gathered past life experiences rather than the present incarnation.

Anyway, I donīt like feeling these ties.
Get them off me!

EDIT:
Also in our Davison

VALENTINE 3.51 Libra

IC: 6.38 Libra
PROSERPINE: 6.40 libra
Pluto: 6.45 Libra

ATLANTIS: 8.11 Libra


plus

SIVA: 4.02 Virgo
KAALI 4.10 Pisces

I made some divisional charts from our Davison (yes you can do that )


D11:
IC: 13.00 Sag
PROSERPINA 13.21 Sag
Pluto 14.16 Sag
SIVA 14.27 Sag
SN 14.45 Sag

opposite

MC: 13.00 Gemini
NN 14.45 Gemini
KAALI 15.49 Gemini


my basal( radix) KARMA on 16.00 Gemini
his radix Saturn on 15.30 Gemini
his radix Venus on 13.03 Sagittarius


D30
MC 19.06 Libra
PROSERPINA 20.04 LIbra
Pluto 22.32 Libra

Jupitr 19.33 Aries

---------------

SIVA 1.15 Aquarius
KAALI 4.57 Aquarius


and

D60
too wide to be really relevant


however this one has Sun on 16-17 Cancer right on his radix SN and my Saturn.


in D12

MC 19.38 Gem
Pluto 21.01 Gem
PROSERPINA 20.01 Gem
(opp his KARMA)

VAL 16.16 Taurus (my name ast.)
SIVA 18.30 Taurus
KAALI 19.59 Taurus

and for a finish, the D9

Pluto 0.46 Sag
PROSERPINA 0.01 Sag
IC 29.44 Scorpio


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SIVA 6.21 Aqua
KAALI 7.29 Leo


here Sun is on 16.01 Cap, OPPOSITE our synastric Saturn-SN-conjunction


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posted April 11, 2014 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After being knocked over by the D11 chart where the Siva-Kaali and the Pluto-Proserpina theme comes together, I was having a look at the D11 chart with Mr SAg as well.

No, not these themes, but what I see is this:


AMOR conjunct JUNO conjunct PROSERPINA exact (19and 20 Aqua)
oposite Moon on 18 Leo

and

ISIS on 9,00 Virgo conjunct OSIRIS on 8,11 Virgo


making a perfect Grand trine with ARTHUR and Neptune.


in D9

ISIS 18.16 Scorpio
OSIRIS 17.36 Scorpio
JUNO 19.28 Scorpio (his natal Valentine)


Venus conjunct NN

Sun conjunct AMOR On the one side and conjunct GUINEVERE on the other side (Guinevere on my SN)

Sun-GUINEVERE sextile the ARTHUR-LANCELOT-conjunction with Saturn and Neptune.
Well Guinevere is actually sextile Arthur, Lancelot might be a bit too wide. Also Saturn is tied to lancelot, Neptune to Arthur

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posted April 12, 2014 04:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
A part of me is really revolting against what you wrote, especially the power-thing, but the other part - I think it`s what I loathe most about my attention to Jude.

It`s so uncharacteristic, so not-me, when it comes to him I feel so uncharacteristically judgemental (my Saturn exactly conjunct his SN. ello?), and also bound. No, not, bonded, Freaking BOUND, tied, overpowered (and maybe empowered all the same).

...

I HATED Dr Faustus, with every beat of my heart, with a frenzied feverish passion that still creeps me out. I donīt even remember it to a big part, don`t ask me where my mind has been while watching it.
Curiously though I dreamed of it last week (that was what started the whole Jude-reminiscence-phase=), I was actually looking at that stage, where it was being performed, saying to someone who was there, that I would not have been able to cope had I been there, seeing it live. The words I used were "too close, too ******* close. I can`t deal."
Not "I wouldn`t have been able to deal", but "I CAN`t deal". Present tense.

The past life recalls I have had about Jude, they ALL deal with power, the disbalance of it.

...

I am usually relatively sane and rational, and I know I am totally irrational when it comes to him, and I am sure he is a perfectly normal, if flawed, human being. Nothing out of the ordinary. And I donīt even know him. lol
But sometimes I feel like I react to a compilation of gathered past life experiences rather than the present incarnation.

Anyway, I donīt like feeling these ties.
Get them off me!


Oh, DON'T get me started on Faustus. There's a reason that Dr Penderan Fauste is, well, Fauste!

Yes, with the 'e'. It's not 'fow-stuh', either; it's just 'fowst'. And it's spelt that way. I KNOW THIS.

Oh, so many dreams last night.

One of them was quirky. The other deeply disturbing. In the one preceding the nightmarish astral travel into the past, I remember I was casting. And of the casting I was doing, I had a strange thought about the character, and the role. It's as if someone else was in the role. And I thought - how odd! Nobody else can hack Fauste. And I noticed my costar then, as if he was there the whole time but I JUST noticed him then, and realised, he WAS cast in the role already. And I hadn't done it.

Hmmmmm. If THAT's not pretty telling ....

I get angry there's no asteroid having anything to do with Fauste. 'Goethe' isn't enough for me. No Marlowe, either. But - chrissake! Faustus! Faust! It's not hard, people!

And so I find myself returning to the other ever-present theme: the Wonderlandian one. Because - we're all mad.

I see your Arthurian one blooming ever more brilliantly across so many charts now. That's the ticket for me. The confirmation. When the theme carries no matter what you're evaluating. That's not apophenia. Nor is it coincidence. It's a firm significance.

As to the balance of power - or lack thereof - ohhhh, could you not hear the fight in my voice? Heh. It's not something I just accept, either. But, y'know what? I have very little choice in the matter there. I do trust him, and he's such a lovely man.

But the heavy karma ... that may be what's missing from Twin Flames. It's not that it's not there, but it's ... different. I'm not having to settle anything of THAT nature with Fate. It's as if what's come to me has clued me into things then. Now we're just playing out our Psyche and Eros thing. I'm learning to keep faith, and he's there in the background, quietly helping me, even if it's going to take awhile.

And as it's taking awhile, I have a very crucial, complex relationship with my Guardian Soulmate. Even if I find myself gnawing at these damned ties that bind me to him in a way that's truly too difficult to articulate. Heh.

I need to check the D9 and D12, too.

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posted April 12, 2014 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lavender CrystalSwan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello everyone, after a long time.
How are you all?
Man, this grand cross energy has been extremely intense...

I've been thinking of what could be held responsible in a synastry that triggers one's kundalini/intense metaphysical experiences, as well as a heart awakening.
Would it be something having to do with the outer planets aspecting the inner planets?
Or any other asteroids prominent besides the obvious:

Vesta
BML
Kaali
Mahakala
Siva
Shankar
Parvati


Also, based on what we have discussed so far about graduate souls and TFs, is it now clear what in the chart would distinguish a TF from an ordinary soulmate?
We should regather and reorganize the markers.


EDIT:

I have also found that certain Indigo/Crystal/Starseed natal markings parallel to those of potential TwinFlame/one-soul beings' natals.

Such as;

• planets/points on certain important fixed stars, important constellations
• outer planets aspecting inner planets, causing a high level of sensitivity (hence being open to higher energies, which would give one special abilities, such as: heightened intuition, clairvoyance, empathic abilities, healing abilities)
• having the twinflame couple asteroids making an aspect, or being prominent somehow
• having the signs Leo/Aquarius prominent or on an important axis
• having the signs Gemini/Sag prominent or on an important axis

I'm sure there is more that I'm missing.


What do you think of this?

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