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Ceridwen
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posted April 12, 2014 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lavender,

welcome back.


Some interesting things are in this thread, though it is not the answer to all and everything of course, just very inspiring.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/002174.html

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posted April 12, 2014 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indigo,

" it's just 'fowst'. "
It is how the name is spelled in Germany.


"but I JUST noticed him then, and realised, he WAS cast in the role already. And I hadn't done it."


It wasn`t for you to decide, as it was already decided before. Not a choice by the intellectual mind.

"I get angry there's no asteroid having anything to do with Fauste. 'Goethe' isn't enough for me. No Marlowe, either. But - chrissake! Faustus! Faust! It's not hard, people!"
Yes, thought the same yesterday, when I was searching for one.


Well, in the Goethe-drama Dr Faust`s first name is "Heinrich". (2943).
Yes, I know TOO reaching, grasping for straws, I put it into Jude`s and my Davison nevertheless.
HEINRICH on 8 Libra right on ATLANTIS and conjunct the IC-Pluto-PROSERPINA:


And THIS, THIS Is breaking my heart and gives me major goosebumps, though I sort of knew before WHERE it would fall in the composite.

So in the composite we have

VALENTINE 17.01 Virgo

VESTA 16.53 Pisces
KARMA 18.01 Piscesa

and HEINRICH?
17.45 Virgo, right on Valentine. lol

It is falling nowwehere important in my composite with Mr SAg, which I used as control. lol

And natally?

HEINRICH conjunct my ASC (and therefore also ANGEL, ATLANTIS and NN. lol)

HEINRICH 8.27 Sagittarius in my chart (same degree as my ATLANTIS).

conjunct

Jude`s name (using Judd though) in my chart by 3 degrees

HEINRICH in his chart on 27 Gemini
opposite
my name in his chart on 29 Sagittarius


in my Heinrich-Persona chart

my name 17 Leo
Heinrich 16 Aquarius

conjunct my natal Moon on 17 Aquarius (oh and his second name in my natal 19 Leo, his sec name in his natal 16 Aquarius)


in his Heinrich Persona chart

Heinrich conjunct Valentine but not connected to any name asteroids.


However MY name in this chart falls onto 16 Aquarius.


For a possibly unrelated asteroid, this seems to be quite a focused result. lol
Whatever Heinrich really means, seems significant for us.

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posted April 12, 2014 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lavender CrystalSwan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Hi Lavender,

welcome back.


Some interesting things are in this thread, though it is not the answer to all and everything of course, just very inspiring.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/002174.html


Thank you Ceri!

Oh I remember that thread, very insightful info about Mercury/Hermes relating to kundalini

In our composite we have..

Parvati on Can 11°35
Hermes on Cap 11°23
Uranus on Cap 12°04

They are also exactly linked via declinations.


Helio composite:

H. Comp. Mercury trine Parvati 2°
H. Comp. Mercury sextile Siva 1°
H. Comp. Mercury quincunx Tara 0°

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posted April 12, 2014 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cusp and me:
Tropical composite:
Mercury square Parvati 1'
Tara semi-sextile Hermes 1'
HERMES conjunct KAALI 3'

Helio composite:
HERMES conjunct KAALI 1'
Mercury contra parallel Tara
Mercury sesquisquare Kaali exact
Tara semi square Hermes and Parvati 1'
Hermes trine Siva 2' and square Parvati 1'

Tropical synastry:
His mercury square my Siva and contra parallel my Hermes
His mercury sesquisquare my Hermes

My Hermes square his Tara 1'
My Hermes trine his Hermes 1'
My Hermes contra parallel his Kaali

My Kaali square his Tara 4'
My Kaali trine his Hermes 4'

My mercury sextile his Tara exact
My mercury square his Hermes exact

My Tara trine his Tara 4'

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posted April 12, 2014 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri.. I thought you might like this video from Cochrane. That's when I found out the significance of 'same phase angles'.

They're not that easily to spot but I think it's really worth to have a focus on it .. an example (remember) is Chiron/Venus with your Sag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfAZHfQ2yEs

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posted April 12, 2014 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL

Mir,

I think I posted the link to that video some weeks ago (at least it was highlighted as already seen by me).

And yes, fascinating again.
Not that easy to spot (for now - maybe just takes some time to get used to), and yes you remember it right


his natal:
Venus biseptile Chiron 0°49

my natal:
Venus biseptile Chiron 1°03

mixed midpoints:

his Venus/My Chiron:7°58 Pisces
his Chiron/my Venus: 7°51 Pisces

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posted April 12, 2014 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My connection with Cochrane is an exact Composite Saturn/Mercury (0'11) conjunction

The result of an exact Saturn/Mercury square natally both.

Ow and a Composite Sun/Venus conjunction at 1'57 .. yea I loveee him lol.

And this ^^ allll in the 1st!

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posted April 12, 2014 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Hello everyone, after a long time.
How are you all?
Man, this grand cross energy has been extremely intense...

I've been thinking of what could be held responsible in a synastry that triggers one's kundalini/intense metaphysical experiences, as well as a heart awakening.
Would it be something having to do with the outer planets aspecting the inner planets?
Or any other asteroids prominent besides the obvious:

Vesta
BML
Kaali
Mahakala
Siva
Shankar
Parvati


Also, based on what we have discussed so far about graduate souls and TFs, is it now clear what in the chart would distinguish a TF from an ordinary soulmate?
We should regather and reorganize the markers.


EDIT:

I have also found that certain Indigo/Crystal/Starseed natal markings parallel to those of potential TwinFlame/one-soul beings' natals.

Such as;

• planets/points on certain important fixed stars, important constellations
• outer planets aspecting inner planets, causing a high level of sensitivity (hence being open to higher energies, which would give one special abilities, such as: heightened intuition, clairvoyance, empathic abilities, healing abilities)
• having the twinflame couple asteroids making an aspect, or being prominent somehow
• having the signs Leo/Aquarius prominent or on an important axis
• having the signs Gemini/Sag prominent or on an important axis

I'm sure there is more that I'm missing.


What do you think of this?


Ohh, yes. Welcome back, Lavender! We've been BUSY. Heck, we might have a whole new method for you to explore, too!

What'd you miss? Lessee ...

Ahem. Lemme put on my best TV recap VO voice ....

Last time on ... Twinflame Astrology on Lindaland ...

• Ceri continues the battle of Jude versus Mr Sag. Who will win? Who's the Twin Flame and who's the Guardian Soulmate? Decisions, decisions .... Though, she will be seeing Mr Sag performing soon, and that Cardinal across is promising a few fireworks ... Do the answers lie in the past-life recalls involving the three of them? Maybe her D60 can shed light on these karmic relationships ...

• tgem returned with a crushing blow: a handful of trusted psychics and empaths saying that Cusp isn't it. Even with sharing her heartfelt letter, his suspected betrayal of her trust has led to a lengthy period of estrangement which may not end anytime soon. But the astrology holds some intriguing clues. We're all pretty sure tgem is a Twin Flame, but that Cusp may not be - or simply isn't here. What's next?

• Despite Internet craziness, Michelle pops in to say things are going unusually well with New Guy, who we discussed somewhere around page 100. We're beginning to wonder what this makes Jace ....

• Morph stumbled upon her birth certificate - and found her time was off by an hour and a half! She's been reincorporating and reevaluating - as expected.

• And, of course, iQ dropped by to remind me that I've no escaping Fate. I might as well face it, he's my Twin Flame. Unconditional love is a good approach to take.

• But I've been delving into just what a Guardian Soulmate REALLY means on the Twin Flame / Graduate journey.

• As well as 'devising' a new cross-system method drawing from Jyotish and Tropical. Real 'East meets West' cooking here. That remains in development with some staggering revelations.

• Biggest personal hurdles? Accepting a spiritual destiny that impacts thousands - even millions, and the increasing likelihood that my Guardian Soulmate is also my killer from the most recent incarnation - maybe more. Thank goodness for unconditional love! :dramatic chord:

• I also shared a photo of my parents along with synastry. They'll have their 40th anniversary 8 June. We all 'aww'd'.

• I also found that one of my oldest soulsisters has a composite that mimics mine and Fate's. Are she and her girl Twin Flames? The jury's out.

• We've got a few new additions to the TFA family: Astro keen is in and out, LeeLoo has become a regular contributor, and Selene is sharing her insights. Some of their astrology is outstanding, but a couple of charts have been done. We determined high level Soulmates at first brush. Now we're evaluating likelihood of Guardian Soulship.

• The Guardian Soul thread is going, even if we're still spending 80% of our time here.

• Gabby has been swallowed by a black hole. We hope you're okay, Gabby! summerlite is in and out, as is Delilah. They've both shared fantastic insights from their relationships, though.

• We've definitely refined our methods and I updated the front page to reflect these findings.

... and that's what you missed on ...

TWINFLAME ASTROLOGY!

How'd I do?

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posted April 12, 2014 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

But the heavy karma ... that may be what's missing from Twin Flames. It's not that it's not there, but it's ... different. I'm not having to settle anything of THAT nature with Fate.


That is what had surprised me so much about Mr Sag. I am USED to that heavy feeling of Karma around someone I meet and who leaves an impact, used to have the urge to run away "before it`s too late and Ican`t turn back anymore".


But with MR Sag? NOne of this.
Actually in the early days I did a breath of relief telling myself. "Finally someone I donT have a soul/spiritual connection with. Finally someone without Karma."

It was becuase it was so unfamiliar to me, though as we know now noone else ever triggered such insane spiritual experiences like he does, and it seems like sometimes there is a very direct psychic link. And of course I can tick of all the boxes. LOL

But the thing is, and even now, even after having recalled dying together, being entombed together (which gave me the feeling of oxygene going missing when I was watching Aida - and probably one of the reasons why I always tend to prefer seeing him open-air.lol).

But even with that recall - and it should be totally traumatic - it doesn`t feel like it. It does not feel heavy, even with all the turmoil that might have been there in past lives (though I think they might not be as numerous as the ones I recall with Jude), despite all this, it all feels carefree, alright, light even. Not at all the heavy,pulling-me-under-undertow, not the tied-to-you-against-my-will-and-better-knowledge kind of feeling.
Just this pull because, just because. No reason really, just him.

And it startled me almost, but before we met that night, after seeing his performance as Jesus, usually there is this feeling of wanting to run away. With him, there is always the feeling, the instinct to run TO him, not away. As a matter of fact, leaving the audience, the theater, the location, putting more distance between us, it feels more and more difficult. I remember when I left the theatre after seeing Aida, I got that feeling like I do in these astral dreams, when it feels like you are wading through some heavy, slowing you down-fog, a feeling as if walking away, is the wrong direction. lol

Whenever I see him, my first instinct (that I have very strictly under control) is to run up to him and hug him. And I never feel like that.

Hormones. Probably.


With Jude, seeing him, it is a magical feeling, oh most certainly, in a calm unexcited way actually. Never feeling giddy about him. There is also something very natural seeing him. Even the first time, it should have felt surreal. It never does.

Though sometimes it is strange, I remember that during the Anna Christie-performance, there was the interval, and my friend asked me what was wrong with me, and I said to her: "I already miss him"

I had seen and sensed him just 5 minutes ago, and would so in 10 minutes from then, and still during THAT time, in the interval I was missing him. Insanity, I tell you. But somehow in that very unexcited manner. Not manic, as I would have expected.


In a way, and it seems strange, I feel like I am there still, in London, I am still there at the theatre, still seeing him on stage, it is like a parallel thing that is happening, maybe we have seen it just a few times too often.

But as much as I respect and admire him as an actor, as much as I feel a resonance, and agree with his opinions on education, and feeling almost relieved to know he is just a flawed human being like everyone else, but all that normality-stuff aside, all that celebrity-stuff aside, on a level I have always been very cautious to not let him too close to me (internally - I am of course just talking internally, only important for me), because there is the feeling that we could destroy each other, being perfectly sane on our own, I can`t fight that feeling, that if you put us together and if things would go just a tiny little bit lopsided, we would perfectly be able to kill each other.
This is overdramatizing of course, not literally, it is just an emotional imprint, a shadow of a feeling really, just barely nothing, and certainly no realness to it, but it is there, just a little pinch of that, a notion of a certain destructiveness. I suppose though that is just the karmic imprint.

I actually had a series of past life recalls involving him (well there were many, and most involved a war of some kind), but these were, well I did n want to have them, I even was screaming and kicking within the dream to not be pulled intot hat "movie in my mind". But as I said, not one, several ones.
And in these I was in a concentration camp in Brno (waking up I thought my brain had go mumbly-jumbly, can`t be a real place, can it? turned out not only it IS a real place, but there WAS a concentration camp, and the building looked like in my dream, and many many months later a story got published, well I had to do a lot of digging. lol, that resembled mine too creepily, just that it had not been on the internet or somewhere else when I had my dream, so it was not that I was influenced by something I had read).

Anyway I was there, and actually the one I called my guardian soulmate played a peripheral role, too, as my friend and mentor in this environement, and Jude was well, prison guard. And itw asn`t pretty, though at the same time it was not as easy and black and white as I would prefer it to be.

Stockholm syndrome maybe?


Even if nothing of it really was a real past life recall, if THAT is how my subconscious sees Jude, as some kind of bipolar prisonguard, THEN I should stay far far away from him, best leave a few oceans between us. lol

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posted April 12, 2014 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

How'd I do?


Ah I LOVE your style.


THIS could really make some TF-Drama!


I wanted to write TV-drama, but TF-drama seems just as apt.


And not really a fight in my case, is it?
It is not my decision anyway.

But you reminded me of something.


Actually when I was writing so much about Jude on here, the musical radio played the song from "Artus-Excalibur", when ARtus loses it, thinking Guinevere has cheated on him with Lancelot, and tries to kill both of them in a fit of jealousy, but instead just bans them from court.


Reminded me of how Mr Sag`s ARTHUR conjuncts my GUINEVERE, and Jude`s LANCELOT Opposes it.
I just can`t get over this single aspect (and tight, too, 1 degre=).

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posted April 12, 2014 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You gave me quite a Hercules-task there! D60 chart.

So far I only checked for our respectie individual D60 charts


Mine
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1)
DESC on 1 Sag conjunct KARMA On 00 Sag,
trine PSYCHE on 2 Aries
sextile EROS on 29 Virgo
trine CHIRON on 2 Leo


So, not only do I have a loose Eros-Psyche-opposition there (2°38 - not THAT loose), but it happens to fall near the AP AND it is tried to the DESC-KARMA conjunction, which coincidentally falls onto my natal AMOR on 2 Sag in 12th house I suppose, and also conj. VALENTINE on 27 Scorpio (seems to be right on the AMOR/VALENTINE-mp).

Of course this comes together with a GT of KARMA(DESC)-PSYCHE-CHIRON,
which actually is a Kite, as EROS opposes PSYCHE, though it is a bit wide for the Chiron-sextile.

Still oh and Mercury is on the ASC 2 Gemini, and actually Pluto is also opposing PSYCHE, but too far for conjuncting EROS (Pluto on 4 LIbra on my natal MC exact and Draco KARMA. lol)

So to summarize, we have TWO Kites here. To make that a STar of David or Seal of Solomon, there would need to be something on the early degrees of Aquarius 00-05 degrees roundabout.

My Moon is at 6 Aquarius, but it is a bit too far off. the really early degrees would be better.


Somehow, at this juncture, we already KNOW that one or both gentlemen will have something there, right?

(as a matter of fact both have Mars there, Jude on 1 Aquarius, Patrick on 5 Aquarius; Jude fits intree there. Though Patrick`s Mars there fits better in another respect).


Anyway so for me personally Desc-KARMA, PSYCHE, EROS, Chiron, Pluto, Mercury (natal DESc-ruler).
I get the feeling, if that is my Karma chart (is it, Indigo? the D 60?), I knew love; Psyche starts the cycle, being the first planet crossing 00 Aries, EROS has not yet crossed the Libra-point, just shortly before, so maybe while I knew love, I didn΄t quite know passion or the consummation of passion, it was there, almost to touch, but just a bit out of reach yet.
And with Chiron-Karma-Pluto involved, I most probably also know vulenerability and defencelessness and being subject to power (Pluto opposes PSYCHE).

Sabians are:

KARMA 00 Sag
Retired Army Veterans Gather To Reawaken Old Memories

The story did not start there, it continued from an even earlier time.


DESC 01 Sag
White-capped Waves Display The Power Of Wind Over Sea
Whipped up feelings.


ASC 01 Gemini
Santa Claus Furtively Filling Stockings Hanging In Front Of Fireplace

Mercury 02 Gem
The Garden Of The Tuileries In Paris


PSYCHE 02 Aries
The Cameo Profile Of A Man, Suggesting The Shape Of His Country

EROS
Totally Intent Upon Completing An Immediate Task, A Man Is Deaf To Any Allurement

Pluto
A Man Revealing To His Students The Foundation Of An Inner Knowledge Upon Which A "New World" Could Be Built


Chiron
A Middle-Aged Woman, Her Long Hair Flowing Over Her Shoulders And In A Braless Youthful Garment

(2)
Venus on 7 Aries opposite Pluto on 4 Libra
(of course theVenus-Pluto had to be there again)

Venus trine AMOR 8 Leo
Pluto trine Moon 6 Aquarius

(and MOon opp. Amor of course)

Venus-Moon-Amor-Pluto
Another hint at the emotionality of my karma?

Venus 7 Aries
A Large Woman's Hat With Streamers Blown By An East Wind

Moon 6 Aquarius
A Child Is Seen Being Born Out Of An Egg


Amor 8 Leo
Glass Blowers Shape Beautiful Vases With Their Controlled Breathing


I get the feeling there was a lot of "creating" going on, maybe to the point where other things seemed to lose impact and meaning.

3)
Uranus on 21 Gemini conjunct VESTA on 22 gemini
(can`t escape the Uranus-Vesta - in the natal they are exactly sextile)

Uranus
Dancing Couples In A Harvest Festival

Vesta
Three Fledglings In A Nest High In A Tree

THREE?????


(4)
Saturn on 27 Cap conjunct JUno and MC both on 28 Cap,
opposite Sun on 26 Cancer

Sun also trines Neptune on 26 Scorpio

Saturn
A Large Aviary

Juno and MC
A Woman Reading Tea Leaves

Sun
A Violent Storm in A Canyon Filled With Expensive Homes

Neptune
A Military Band Marches Noisily On Through The City Streets


(4)
VALENTINE on 2 Scorpio square CHiron on 2 Leo
(and quinkunx Psyche and ASC, making the apex of a Yod.)

2 Scorpio
A House-Raising Party In A Small Village Enlists The Neighbors' Cooperation


So exact Valentine-Chiron-square?
Just been thinking of this song here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRJaZdodEgI


With the Sabian for Valentine - too many people involved and having their say?


Not much going on with LANCELOT and GUINEVERE

though having said that
GUINEVERE on 17 Sagittarius opposes my natal KARMA on 16 Gem.

LANCELOT on 17 Capricorn
The Union Jack Flag Files From A British Warship


opposing my natal Saturn, conjunct Jude`s NN-Jupiter-Shakespeare-Destinn-conjunction. lol


and then there is ARTHUR on 6 SCorpio
Deep-Sea Divers

loosely conjunct VALENTINE (3°20)
squaring Moon on 6 Aqua exact
squaring AMOR on 8 Leo

Lastly NESSUS On 12 Sag
A Widow's Past Is Brought To Light

but at least it is sextile Jupiter on 12 Aquarius

Just with THAT Sabian: A Barometer

the sextile does not look too nice even.


DEJA on 10 Taurus exactly squares Mars on 10 Aquarius
and squares AMOR on 8 Leo of course.
And ΑLREADY I am anticipating that at least one of the gentlemen will have something not so nice on about 10 Scorpio probably. lol


Deja
A Woman Watering Flowers In Her Garden.

Mars
During A Silent Hour, A Man Receives A New Inspiration Which May Change His Life


Dejanira-Mars in a square aspects looks a bit like victimization to me, not as insidious as Nessus-Deja, but not really all that nice. Maybe the victimization here could be due to social idealizations (Mars in Aquarius) taking away from a more personal Venusian relationship (Deja is in taurus after all).

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Jude`s D60
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ASC on 6 Libra
DESC on 6 Aries conj. Neptune 8 Aries
and square Sun 7 Cancer
(on his natal Valentine and opp. his natal Sun)

ASC
A Woman Feeding Chickens And Protecting Them From The Hawks

DSC
A Man Succeeds In Expressing Himself Simultaneously In Two Realms


Neptune
A Crystal Gazer


Sun
A Group Of Rabbits Dressed in Human Clothes Walk As If On Parade


The Sun-Sabian is a very sexual one (at least I read that somewhere), it seems to get in conflict with the more protective oriented one of the ASC

KARMA on 00 Leo conj. EROS on 2 Leo conjunct JUNO on 3 Leo (yes, I already noticed that I have read the early degrees of Leo before, in MY D60 Chart, what was it again, being there, Chiron? squaring Valentine? Could it be that somehow MY wounds are connected to HIS erotic marriage karma?

anyway KARMA here suqares Saturn on 29 Libra
opposies Mars on 1 Aquarius
square VALENTINBE on 28 Aries

also includes
Saturn opposite VALENTINE
Saturn square Mars
Mars square VALENTINE.

Can it bet there has been a "bit" of a problem expressing or manifesting or just balancing out love, relationship, sex and a certain task at hand?
This Saturn there - it just looks like it put a serious block or damper on expressing love. And with Mars-square Valentine, it might not even have been love, but looks more like lust to be honest.


KARMA
Blood Rushes To A Man's Head As His Vital Energies Are Mobilized Under The Spur Of Ambition

looks like quite a temper, and also a bit aggressive right there, but most of all ambitious

EROS
A Middle-Aged Woman, Her Long Hair Flowing Over Her Shoulders And In A Braless Youthful Garment

JUNO
A Formally Dressed Elderly Man Stands Near Trophies He Brought Back From A Hunting Expedition

A trophy-wife???

Saturn
Three Mounds Of Knowledge On A Philosopher's Head


Valentine
The Music Of The Spheres
That is such a beautiful sabian


Mars
An Unexpected Thunderstorm


A temper, aggressive behaviour in terms of ambitions, and maybe also sexual attractions might have proved a problem, striking unexpectedly but strongly and challenging his control?


NN on 20 Cap conjunct PSYCHE on 21 Cap,
trine CHIRON on 21 Taurus

This one looks nicer, though of course on the NN it could also mean that he was MEANT to develop more sensitivity or intuition. Did he manage to do so?


NN
A Relay Race

Psyche
By Accepting Defeat Gracefully, A General Reveals Nobility Of Character

Chiron
White Dove Flying Over Troubled Waters


There was probably vulnerability that could have led to healing talent through compassion (interestngly I also have a Chiron-Psyche-trine)

Moon on 25 Scorpio sextile AMOR on 26 Cap (nice) and square VESTA on 24 Leo (not so nice)


Moon
American Indians Making Camp After Moving Into A New Territory

Amor
Pilgrims Climbing The Steep Steps Leading To A Mountain Shrine


VESTA
A Large Camel Is Seen Crossing A Vast And Forbidding Desert


Quite a journey right there. Exhausting. Immigrating somewhere. But also it seems like it might have clashed with the more egocentric urges and ambitions.


ARTHUR on 11 Cancer trine NESSUS on 11 Scorpio and opposite URaus on 10 Cap

(this is in so far even more important, as my GUINEVERE in natal is 10 Cap, Patrick?s Arthur on 11 Cap, Jude`s Lancelot on 10 Cancer).

11 Cancer
A Chinese Woman Nursing A Baby Whose Aura Reveals Him To Be The Reincarnation Of A Great Teacher

10 Cap
A Large Group Of Pheasant On A Private Estate

GUINEVERE on 13 Leo squares NESSUS on 11 Scorpio
That is quite a thing, right?

Guinevere
A Human Soul Seeking Opportunities For Outward Manifestation

NESSUS
An Official Embassy Ball


Looks like social expectations or restraints or ambitions did their part there.


LANCELOT on 2 Cap quinkunx Venus on 3 Geminie and quinkunx EROS and JUNO on 2/ 3 Leo.


Lancelot
A Human Soul, In Its Eagerness For New Experiences, Seeks Embodiment

Venus
Holly And Mistletoe Reawaken Old Memories Of Christmas

ERos
A Middle-Aged Woman, Her Long Hair Flowing Over Her Shoulders And In A Braless Youthful Garment

Juno
A Formally Dressed Elderly Man Stands Near Trophies He Brought Back From A Hunting Expedition

Adding to that

DEJANIRA on 27 Aquarius not only sextiles VALENTINE and trines Saturn, but opposes VESTA and squares Moon.

DEjanira-Moon-VEsta in T-square; something was quite off with the feminine principle

Dejanira is on the same degree as my natal Nefertiti (and close to Lilith), and I associate the Sabian with "sacrifice" for some reason. Sacrificing something (like personal happiness, fulfllment, growth, love, whatever) or someone for a greater good (or one that is perceived as such).

"A Tree Felled And Sawed To Ensure A Supply Of Wood For The Winter"

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Patrick`s D60
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ASC on 7 Cancer conjunct VALENTINE on 5 Cancer

ASc
A Group Of Rabbits Dressed in Human Clothes Walk As If On Parade


VAL
Game Birds Feathering Their Nests
(right on my natal EXCALIBUR btw)


So it seems like love was part of his idenity or least his Karma, and there seems to have been a combination of sexual manifestation and the wish to, well, for commitment I suppose, to build something lasting for the future.


it trines JUNO on 9 Scorpio
A Fellowship Supper Reunites Old Comrades


also trines GUINEVERE on 4 Scorpio and Chiron on 5 Sorpio

Guinevere
A Massive Rocky Shore Resist The Pounding Of The Sea

Chiron
The Gold Rush Tears Men Away From Their Native Soil


Definitely noteworthy that Guinevere appears tied to Chiron here. A wound connected to Guinevere?

There is also a T-square of

DESC 7 Cap conjunct Moon 9 Cap
and squaring
NESSUS on 7 Aries


DESC
In A Sunlit Home Domesticated Birds Sing Joyously

Moon
An Albatross Feeding From The Hand Of A Sailor

#Nessus
A Large Woman's Hat With Streamers Blown By An East Wind


With the Moon-DESC, and the ASC-VAlentine in Cancer and the Sabians involved here, it just looked so nice, homely, comfy, but with the Nessus square, that looks definitely not that nice. Obsessive? Maybe obsessing too much about home and family and family background even national background, which eventually would poison the very thing he was striving to accomplish or receive?
Moon-Nessus of course could also relate to emotional abuse.

Sun on 27 Virgo conjunct VESTA on 29 Virgo

Sun:
A Baldheaded Man Who Has Seized Power

VESTA:
Totally Intent Upon Completing An Immediate Task, A Man Is Deaf To Any Allurement


It is rather isolated from the rest of the chart, but it evokes the image of a man in a position of power, who is so focused on his goal, that he starts becoming blind to other things around him, possibly.

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Pluto conjuncts MErcury on 23 Libra exact
trine Uranus on 24 Aquarius
trine NN on 22 Gemini
squares Veus on 25 Cancer

Well, again, enus-Pluto-square like the one he has in natal.


Pluto-Mercury
A Butterfly With A Third Wing On Its Left Side

Uranus
A Butterfly With The Right Wing More Perfectly Formed


NN
Three Fledglings In A Nest High In A Tree


Venus
Guests Are Reading In The Library Of A Luxurious Home


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ARTHUR on 10 Pisces
opposite Saturn on 12 Virgo
trine JUNO on 9 Scorpio
sextile Moon on 9 Capricorn


ARthur
Men Traveling A Narrow Path, Seeking Illumination

Saturn
A Powerful Statesman Overcomes A State Of Political Hysteria

Juno
A Fellowship Supper Reunites Old Comrades

Moon
An Albatross Feeding From The Hand Of A Sailor


Okay, again a Sabian dealing with political power, but at the same time the Arthur Sabian shwoing he was walking a fine line, definitely rather karmic.
But supported by Juno and Moon, a harmonious connection to the feminine, supportive and protective.


GUINEVERE on 4 Scorpio conjunct CHIRON on 5 Scorpio
trine VALENTINE on 5 Cancer

no comment.


but at the same time also squares
the conjunction of
Mars on 5 Aquarius and LANCELOT on 6 Aquarius
(this really gave me goosebumps)


Mars
A Masked Figure Performs Ritualistic Acts In A Mystery Play

Lancelot
A Child Is Seen Being Born Out Of An Egg


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Gosh, just noticed in D 60 chart

Patrick`s ISOLDA: 11 Scorpio
my TRISTAN: 13 Scorpio
Jude`s NESSUS: 11 Scorpio

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posted April 12, 2014 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lavender CrystalSwan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Ah I LOVE your style.


THIS could really make some TF-Drama!


I agree Indigo!

Thanks for the summary!

Question though, can D60 charts be calculated on astro.com?
Can I use the harmonic chart in its place?

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that is how I did it, LC.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
that is how I did it, LC.

Ok, I'm to going to go have a look at mine and Virgo guy's.

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Okay, starting from the individual patterns I found, I was looking for mirrored aspects:

Jude and me
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1)
Me: KARMA sextile EROS 1.27
Him: his KARMA conjunct EROS 2.03
his KARMA trine PSYCHE 1.11

2)
me: Chiron trine PSYCHE 0.09
him: Chiron trine PSYCHE 0.56

3)
me: Moon opsoite AMOR 1.37
him: Moon sextile AMOR 1.23

4)
me: Sun trine Neptune 0.47
him: Sun square Neptune 0.46


Patrick and me
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1)
me: Pluto trine Mercury 1.57
him: Pluto conjunct Mercury 0.11

2)
me: Pluto opp. Venus 2.40
him: Pluto square Venus 2.12

3)
Me: Saturn conjunct JUNO 0.45
him: Saturn sextile JUNO 2.59

4)
me: VALENTINE square Chiron 0.28
him: VALENTINE trine Chiron 0.04


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as for the Arthurians.

Me: ARTHUR conjunct VALENTINE 3.20
Jude: GUINEVERE square NESSUS 2.37
Patrick: GUINEVERE trine VALENTINE 1.36

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quote:
Originally posted by Selene:
In D60

My Sun conjuncts his Neptune 1,5
My Sun conjuncts his Pluto EXACT

My Moon conjuncts his Neptune 3

My Venus conjuncts his Vertex EXACT

My Mars opposite his Chiron EXACT

My Uranus conjuncts his Sun EXACT

My Neptune conjuncts his Sun 2,5


Don't you love the exactitude? That's the best part, I think. So much conveyed SO quickly, and SO easily due to the glaring specificity and super close orbs.

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Don't you love the exactitude? That's the best part, I think. So much conveyed SO quickly, and SO easily due to the glaring specificity and super close orbs.


Yes, especially in the D30 chart, where the exactness is even more striking.

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Regarding your theories, Lavender, I'll just go ahead and share what I know off the top of my head at this moment.

According to iQ, I have many of the markers you've suggested which indicate high-level souls - Indigo, as well as what he determines as Twin Flame. (My aura is actually Indigo with Violet and a Red Overlay - which I'm working through, slowly.) He's also told me that Fate and I are 'extraordinarily young in Earth years', for being so old in general terms of existence. I'm taking this to mean extraterrestrial origins, but what, no specifics have been offered.

I have in my basic geo-tropical natal:

SUN-FORTUNA (0°) conjunct PLUTO-BML on SPICA (2°)
SUN sextile NEPTUNE (1°)
SUN trine PSYCHE (1°)
PSYCHE opposite NEPTUNE (0°)
MOON conjunct URANUS (1°)
SUN sextile VESTA (0°25)
NEPTUNE trine VESTA (1°)
ANGEL-MOON (1°) sextile AMOR (1°)
UNION conjunct MERCURY (0°)
MOON sextile JUPITER (2°)

MOON on MARSIK
URANUS on ZUBEN ELAKRAB
MC on ALDEBARAN
VENUS-ASC on ZOSMA
MERCURY on ZUBEN ELAKRIBI
MARS on KORNEPHOROS
NEPTUNE on ATRIA
PSYCHE on PHACT
EROS on ACRUX
VERTEX on ALTAIR
VALENTINE on RAS ALGETHI and GRAFIAS

• I have near conjunctions of a couple of prominent soul pairings:

ISIS (on REGULUS) and OSIRIS (on TANIA BOREALIS) in LEO (8°);

SIVA and PARVATI are 12° apart in CAN (on ALHENA and POLLUX);

KAALI (on RUBKAT and SHELIAK) are sextile RUDRA (1°50) on ANKAA.

JUNO trine ZEUS (2°)

I also have:

KAALI square SUN (2°)
INNANEN conjunct SUN (3°)
SIVA square SUN (1°)
OSIRIS conjunct NNODE (0°40)
OSIRIS-NNODE conjunct VESTA (1°)
PARVATI sextile VENUS (1°)
KAALI opposite HERA (1°)
JUNO conjunct PERSEPHONE (1°)
JUNO conjunct SATURN (2°)
ADONIS opposite APHRODITE (1°)
PALLAS conjunct PROSERPINA (1°)
PSYCHE conjunct AURA (2°)
NEPTUNE opposite AURA (2°)
PLUTO opposite ANUBIS (2°)
ANGEL sextile JUPITER (2°)

and

NNODE in LEO / SNODE in AQU
VERTEX in AQU / AVX in LEO

ISIS and OSIRIS in LEO
VESTA in LEO
TYCHE in AQU

MC in GEM / IC in SAG

NEPTUNE in SAG
VALENTINE in SAG
PSYCHE in GEM
AURA in GEM

I'll have to look up the rest tomorrow, which I'll do gladly.

Great theories and hypotheses!

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Oh, crap! It turns out that he messed up his birthtime the first time he told me it. He mixed it up with his brother's time, and now finally found out from his mom, that the time was another.

It messes up. But maybe gets even more interesting. My Neptune therefore isn't on his DSC.

But this new birth time makes his ASC 5'11 Leo, and that is exactly conjunct my South Node on 4'21. Makes sense, since his nodes are also conjunct my nodes, just MC/IC instead of AC/DC.

This also changes the house positions, my stellium of Sun-Venus-Mercury falls in his 4th house instead of 5th. But also my Moon and Jupiter in his 1st, near his ASC, though not conjunct (Jupiter 5 degrees from his ASC, Moon degrees). That explains the emotional rapport and the fact that we are so close as friends, despite the fact that his Moon is mostly unaspected in synastry, except for an exact quintile to my Pluto and an opposition to Chiron).

These changes also gives a full 5th house in composite, with Venus-Uranus-Saturn-Neptune-Sun in there. And what's really fascinating, it gives us IC that falls exactly on that Moon-Pluto conjunction of ours (exactly on Moon, 3 degrees from Pluto).


And i think what's really important as well, this birth time makes his ASC Leo, instead of Cancer - that means his DSC is Aquarius. Thus Uranus is the ruler of his DSC, and by a chance - THE theme planet in our synastry, which makes a ton of exact aspects. Also his Chart ruler Sun is exactly squared by my Uranus, and we met when transit Uranus was exactly on his Sun and exactly squared my Uranus.

Makes sense.

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what do you think would composite IC exactly conjunct Moon (conjunct Pluto) mean? (they both fall in 4th house)

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So of the patterns I noted individually we have these degrees covered:


Mine
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1st pattern

ASC 01 Gem
MErcury 02 Gem
DESC 01 Sag
KARMA 00 Sag

PSYCHE 02 Aries
EROS 29Virgo
CHIRON 02 Leo
VALENTINE 02 Scorpio


2nd pattern:

Venus 07 Aries
Pluto 04 Libra
AMOR 08 Leo
Moon 06 Leo
ARTHUR 06 Scorpio


3rd pattern:
Uranus 21 Gem
VESTA 22 Gem

4th pattern:
Saturn 27 cap
JUNO 28 Cap
MC 28 Cap

EROS 29 Virgo
Sun 26 Cancer
Neptune 26 Scorpio

5th pattern:
GUINEVERE 17 Sag
LANCELOT 17 Cap


6th pattern:
NESSUS 12 Sag
Jupiter 12 Aquarius


7th pattern:
DEJA 10 Taurus
Mars 10 Aquarius
NN 09 Sag

Jude`s patterns
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1st pattern:
ASC 6 Libra
DESC 6 Aries
Neptune 8 Aries

Sun 7 Cancer
Mercury 6 Virgo


2nd pattern:
KARMA 00 Leo
EROS 02 Leo
JUNO 03 Lleo

Saturn 29 Libra
Mars 1 Aquarius
VALENTINE 28 Aries


3rd pattern:
NN 20 Cap
PSYCHE 21 Cap
Chiron 21 Taurus


4th pattern:
Moon 25 Scorpio
AMOR 26 Cap
VESTA 24 Leo
Pluto 24 Sag
(DEJA 27 Aqua)


5th pattern:
ARTHUR 11 Cancer
NESSUS 11 Scorpio
Uranus 10 Cap


6th patternb:
NESSUS 11 Scorpio
GUINEVERE 13 Leo


7th pattern:
LANCELOT 2 Cap

Venus 3 Gemini

EROS 2 Leo
JUNO 3 Leo
(maybe could be counted to the large Karma-one as well)

Patrick`s pattern in D60
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1st pattern
ASC 7 Cancer
VALENTINE 5 Cancer

GUINEVERE 4 Scorpio
Chiron 5 Scorpio

plus
JUNO 9 Scorpio (only ASC)
Moon 9 Cap (only ASC)
NESSUS 7 Aries

Mars 5 Aqua
LANCELOT 6 Aquarius


2nd pattern:
Sun 27 Virgo
VESTA 29 Virgo


3rd pattern:
Pluto 23 Libra
Mercury 23 Libra
Uranus 24 Aqua
NN 22 Gemini
Venus 25 Cancer


4th pattern:
ARTHUR 10 Pisces
Saturn 12 Virgo
JUNO 09 Scorpio
Moon 9 Cap

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Oh yes, i love patterns!

We have a pattern of Diamond.

My Mars Gemini 14'07
My Moon Leo 13'24
My Venus Libra 14'24
His Uranus Saggitarius 13'32
His Venus Pisces 14'34
My ASC Virgo 13


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