posted May 16, 2014 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Indigo,

I'm very inclined to say that this (or the final result of this meeting) will not turn out well for you.
You're going through a Bi-level applying heartbreak transit. Saturn in the declinations & longitudes is going
backwards to make a contra-parallel and opposition with your Chiron.
That's why I want to share this.

He's seeking for relief. There's nothing worse than living with hate in your heart. And when it comes to love it's even more worse. Hate is as a magnet which draws people together, but it's a very negative pull.
Hate is not something you can wipe out like the wind.. it takes a very long time to process but there's
always a moment to start. A new beginning. He's seeking for relief so that he can go on with his life.

You go through rituals to let go. And it works, at least a bit. But what about him? Be honest to yourself, wouldn't these rituals just be a temporary stopgap, to fly from the lie you live with? Can you really and truly go on while letting him live with the hate in his heart? Keeping him from going on? I don't think so.
We're not an Island on which the spirit has such power to relieve. That's what you will find out.

You're aware of the hate/pain in his heart, but are you truly? Do you know what it is to live with such pain?
Can you *feel* it? Or are you deluding yourself with the pain of separation? it's not the separation.
It's the hate that longs for the first step to recover and pass. And even this will take time, a lot of time.
Why not start now before the guilt will truly break you? Let him know you feel his pain ('if' you can).
Give him the space he needs to also forgive 'you'. There's nothing more he needs now. But again, time is the big factor here.

Don't let this transit break you while relieving him (only).
I really hope you'll have the power to take care of this. Relieve him *and* yourself.
Make that step. Time flies.

This is what I wanted to share. Thank you.

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mir,

I appreciate your thoughtful analysis. Deeply.

I DO feel that this is an impending culmination. 'Popular opinion' around here is speculating that he's tired of the hatred - and DOES genuinely miss what we had. Since I'd written the whole thing off, my head is rather spinning here.

I think it's interesting that the heartbreak transit (CHIRON contraparallel SATURN) you're indicating feels like something of a bookend to the original transit (CHIRON opposite my VENUS, conjunct DSC) during which it all came apart.

As to 'don't let this break me' - oh, honey. Been there, done that. Gone through Hell. Now it's minus a few pomegranates, and Persephone is sitting pretty on the throne. But I DO appreciate your genuine concern.

And I don't want hatred in his heart - of course, I don't. But the limits of my patience were reached last March, and I had to extricate myself - for my own sanity, and even health.

Has it been a bowl of cherries since then? Ohhh, no. For one, exactly one year later to the day, I find out that he's my Twin Flame - and there's really no such thing as TRUE 'escape'.

And I can't help be reminded of this segment, a really, big turning point from the story:

'Why are you here?' she asked pointedly, not sure what was in her eyes. While she was secretly grateful to see him, she wouldn't show it. After all, that was a game she knew he played to perfection.

Lane leaned back and stretched his arms and legs out. 'Well, see, I'm having second thoughts about this whole, 'you leaving' thing,' he explained. 'Seems entirely wrong, which I now know to be the case. Wanna know how I know?'

Fiona sighed again, curling into herself, curiously inverse to his spreading out. 'Oh?' She cleared her throat, not wanting to seem too eager for his explanation and change of heart. 'Yes, enlighten me.'

Addison gave her a couple pats on the knee. ''Cause it's too easy,' he said. 'Why not, right? Just leave. It'll solve my intimacy issues, you won't have to hammer me for information, and you get to leave this crazy life - I'll get back to that point in a second. It's the easiest thing to do. 'Cause who wants to actually face a fear these days?' If not confined to the limousine, Lane would have been pacing.

'Fact is, despite it making sense, I knew it was wrong ... and not until about two hours ago did I realise, YOU know it just as well. You're just clouding it with a nostalgia for the good ole days.'

She snickered. 'You? Issues with intimacy?' she propped her hand under her chin and looked at him. 'Why, I hadn't noticed.' Her eyes searched then for anything else in the vicinity upon which to focus. It wasn't everyday - actually, she couldn't count a time - that Lane actually spoke so candidly about something so avoided. But she wasn't about to be avoided again. 'And ... how,' she began, 'would my leaving solve them? Or,' she said, looking back up at him, dropping her hand to her lap, 'I suppose, would my staying ... prolong them? Because ... that's actually what I'm looking to ... get away from,' she admitted.

Lane switched seats, so he'd be next to Fiona instead of across from her. 'Your staying will prolong the exact problems we have already. But with problems come solutions, and if you leave, neither of us will be able to deal when those problems come up again. And believe me ... everything comes full circle.'

That scene always haunted me in a way. 'Everything comes full circle'. The irony that HE was the one who wrote that - since he wrote Lane.

But then ... I hadn't run yet. Now, I have.

It's a good question. What will happen? I don't know. All I can continue doing is what I can. Showing love, generosity, and acceptance - and then pulling back if he lashes out at me.

The important thing is that I'M loved. I'm surrounded by loving, supportive people, and I offer them the same in return.

Maybe rather than the 'heartbreak' transit this usually is, this will finally allow a little crack in the door to healing. I can hope. Realistically, that is.

posted May 23, 2014 11:44 AM            

Questions related to the first page compilation:

Question 1: why the fixed stars? Some notable examples?

Question 2: So we're looking directly at asteroid pairs? What about planets and angles? Any significant aspects here? (sorry, question 2 is 3 questions )

Question 3: Why Atlantis? And not Hyperborea for instance? Any notable examples of Atlantis involved in Twin Flame charts?

Question 4: What are the natal markers for Twin Flames?

posted May 23, 2014 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:

Its also possible that one experiences several "heart connections" or "soul connections" prior to meeting their TF, to get you to do the work so you can be ready.
The universe will put these connections before you to get your attention so that you can begin doing some soul work.

But again, not everyone has a twin flame because not everyone on this earth plane is a GRADUATE soul.
A graduate soul has experience several lifetimes and played every role, they've been in all sorts of relationships in those lifetimes and have learned and experienced all that it has needed ~ and now they have come back as TwinFlames, a one soul-being in two bodies.
They are here to be a new template of love and relationships/unions, to help in shifting the paradigm and clear out their ancestral/cultural energetic patterns, dysfuctions and belief systems.
Its what they signed up for because they are the ones who can bring in this change.

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posted May 23, 2014 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Oh man, as Indigo and Ceri both know, I could just go on and on about this subject as I have been studying it intensely for quite some time. Here's what I agree with as far as TwinFlames:
1. Yes, all TF's are graduate souls. Not everyone is a TF, however.

2. The relationship is most definitely about a spiritual purpose together!..changing the old thought-patterns, raising conscoiusness, filling the world with unconditional love etc. No, the main feeling is not about romance and having a family blah blah, although it can and does happen.

3. Syncronicities are definitely important and will help you recognize your spiritual awakening and the recognition of one's TF.

4. You absolutely must go through soulmate relationships first (sometimes a few) before you meet your TF as the TF connection is so incredibly strong and hard. A TF will have difficult learning lessons before they meet and are put on this earth to experience the extreme highs and lows of relationships and soul growth.

5. One will have their spiritual awakening either right before or after meeting their TF. The awakening will completely breakdown and change one's previous beliefs about spirituality.

Upon investigation you find that TF's have lived almost completely parallel lives and you see yourself in the other person when you look at them.

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posted May 23, 2014 12:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

But ultimately I think of twinflames or twinsouls or Twinselves or Twinrays (I do not differentiate there, it seems hairsplitting to me, a thing of confusing terminology, if they are meant to describ something different, why put the word "twin" in all of these?).

Anyway I think of twinflames as complementary souls actually.
Or let me put it this way, there is a core, that is shared, a twin-core, so to speak, but it is expressed in complementary ways usually.

The complementary expression is necessary for magnetism/ attraction to take place, the Yin - to Yang, and for well complementing each other.

The "twin-core" or core of sameness is necessary for the experience of union at a basic level.

I do not care much for the "mission"; ironically my take on this is probably not even that different from some kind of mission or purpose, I just might not call it that way, as I have found that the conceptualizing and abstraction and finding new shiny intellectually and spiritually sounding names, distorts it all.
Of course it is only my opinion and take, but I find that it has to be EXPERIENCED at a soullevel and can`t be analyzed into existence. Though if it exists, it can be analyzed of course.
Now I managed to confuse even myself.

Seriously though, as I put it into another thread, I am big on the "Become who you are" thing. I mean who you really are underneath all the reality-constructs that sometimes help, sometimes take away from a pure core of Self or Soul. (SElf is a dangerous word to use in esoteric circles as I noticed. lol)

I believe that really is the purpose in twinflames to merge again, to become who they are, individually and together, to realize that indeed they already have arrived in a balanced state of consciousness. It sounds gushy and shallow, but this feeling of "Everything is as it should be and it is perfect"-feeling.

From this state there can`t be anything but light. With that I mean the good sites of life, some call it peace, serenity, bliss, happiness, joy, mirth, wonder, hope, faith, love.

And this love, which actually is some sort of Self-love as well, can`t be contained inside. It spreads and radiates out of the person, and in THIS the person influences their environment, and as I think and hope, brings an uplifting, furthering, enriching, loving, inspiring influence onto the environement, without pushing any kind of personal beliefs on other people.

Just like the great love stories of the world, and also and especially the ones freom real life, inspire us and make our heart sing and our soul soar.
At least that happens to me on a regular basis. Don`t tell me other people do not experience it like that.

Of course that kind of spreading energy into the world, can hapen through so many different things, writing, creating art, teaching, healing, dancing naked around a campfire or whatever areas of life there are, I haven`t covered here.

So maybe I do think twinflames have a mission after all.
But mission sounds so heavy to me, or even worse, so much like "I am holier than thou", in worst case scenario, and i don`t like that.

I think if people come together who genuinely love each other in the way twinflamelove is being described, they shine a light into the world and make it a more colourful and happier place for all being touched by that love, just by being near them.
But it is not something they plan or structure or organize, but it just happens, cause it is love, you know?
Love spreads, contagious like the flu. lol
Maybe.

However, I still feel uncomfortable with the term twinflames, because I have read such alot of stuff about it, some of it resonated, but some of it was very esoteric in the worst kind of sense.
And if anyone will say again: "I am enlightened". and the other will respond: "I am much much enlightened-er than you. Archangel Gabriel told me so." and stomps their foot to validate their words, I will scream. I swear it. I. Will.Scream.
And if I scream, EVERYONE can hear it (and probably some glass will shatter).

No I am not at all denying that we are all on a spiritual path and growing and evolving, but I sincerely genuinely from the deepest depth of my heart DETEST this kind of spiritual competition/ contest that so often ensues and I just find it silly.

I am not talking to anyone in particular, just wanted to get it out of the way (and I remember quite a few spats because of that a long time ago, and actually those were a huge part I was leaving LL back then for quite some time
O and while I am on a roll, noone owns the "real absolute truth".

I only have my own truth, and so has everyone else, we are operating on beliefs here, on personal resonance, but this does not mean it must be true for hte next person.
So I want to stress that whatever I write here, is of course based on my experiences up to the moment of writing.

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posted May 23, 2014 01:23 PM            

This is one of the reasons I don't believe a twinflame reunion =pain, sorrow, cheating etc.

Some of the stories of couples I know who are believed to be twinflames or at least living a great love involved meeting your twinflame when you are with someone else or in a situation that makes being together quasi-impossible. In those cases, the love they had for each other spread around as generosity and the transition was carried out with utmost love and respect for everyone involved, including the exes. Also, they did everything in their power to be together as soon as possible, even against all odds. Moreover, it was pretty obvious in most cases the universe itself does everything in its power to reunite them.

posted May 23, 2014 07:42 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thanks, tgem

Questions related to the first page compilation:

Question 1: why the fixed stars? Some notable examples?

Question 2: So we're looking directly at asteroid pairs? What about planets and angles? Any significant aspects here? (sorry, question 2 is 3 questions )

Question 3: Why Atlantis? And not Hyperborea for instance? Any notable examples of Atlantis involved in Twin Flame charts?

Question 4: What are the natal markers for Twin Flames?

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LeeLoo,

The first page has changed a few times since the thread 'launched'. After more extensive research, we all came to realise certain markers and features were indeed appearing in a statistically significant manner. I did save copies of the original page, and the one that followed.

This one has remained because it encompasses the bulk of what we learnt since starting out. How it was discovered was through research, contributed by mostly all of us, namely Ceri, myself, tgem, Michelle, Lavender, Astro keen, Gabby, Delilah, and ... I KNOW I'm missing people.

Then iQ would come along and refine, tuck, and analyse more deeply. Sometimes, it was back to the drawing board; a lot of the time, we hit upon something - and we felt like scientists on the edge of a grand discovery. Heh. Other times, we acted as a bit of a support network, sharing our personal experiences and running them through the astro-lens.

At the present time, those are what have remained consistent throughout.

For example, you're more than welcome to plug in HYPERBOREA, and see if that yields anything for you. I think ATLANTIS may've emerged from Ceri and IQ's research. Then, when compiled with mine, Lavender's, and a few others who aren't regulars here, we had more votes in the 'ATLANTIS' box.

Honestly, I started investigating LACHESIS (120), which may have some promise. It's going to take further study.

But those pairings or Fixed Stars are listed because they've been run through several experiments and feature in multiple case studies. Sadly, our sample size is too small for significance, as the Twin Flame population is rather tiny. But, within its bounds, these aspects and markers present with astonishing consistency.

Of course, we're just getting started!

We have a wonderful direction now, and are always contemplating further ways of deciphering the mysteries of Twin Flame astrology. The latest to emerge from it has been Guardian Souls. So who knows what'll follow?

posted May 25, 2014 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Indi, do you want this one moved?

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