posted January 29, 2014 04:46 PM            

2. I met my the person I believe to be my TF 9 years ago and have never been the same since. Without having to do anything he completely opened my eyes. I really didn't notice anything going on around me I was so naive lol. At the time I didn't realise what had happened but I felt like I could see a deeper meaning to everything.

3. I only found out about the concept of twin flames last year after years of trying to figure out this connection I have with TF. He has never left my mind since the day I met him. This is something that has never happened me before. I am very independent and never felt like I "belonged" to anyone nor they to me. But with him I just know him inside out. It's almost like a family member. I know how he feels and what goes on in his life without even communicating with him. Then when we do check in with each other (every few years) our situations are always the same. We'll both have gone through very similar experiences around the same times. Anyway I just know he is a TF because the experiences I have had with him defy logic and so far the TF theory is the only thing that makes sense.

We have many astrological factors. Mainly:

His Venus conj my Neptune exact at 28 degrees Sagittarius

His neptune conj my Neptune and Mercury
His Mercury conj my Sun
His Saturn conj my MC and my Saturn conj his MC

My saturn conj his Karma exact. I didn't pay attention to this until I saw I have the exact same conj with the only other person I would consider a soulmate.

My pluto opposite his Eros
And his Eros conjunct my Saturn

His Spirit opposite Neptune and my Spirit opposite Vertex

My SN conj his Uranus

Our composite DC conjunct the vertex in Leo
Sun square Moon
Sun conj Venus

His Asc is Aqua DC-Leo. And same with our composite. These signs play a big role for me personally but I won't go into all the details.

We have a Sun/Moon midpoint at (I think) 15degrees Scorpio which again is the same Sun/Moon midpoint I have with this other soulmate.

posted January 29, 2014 05:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
• What does 'Twinflame' mean to you?
• What has brought you to conceptualise it this way?
• Why do you feel this is your Twinflame?
• What astrological factors persist in your determination? Are you using any specific techniques which confirmed your hypothesis?
• Does the degree 2° LIBRA figure in your natals, synastry, or composite? How about 27° SAGITTARIUS?

Can I join in :/

My idea of TF is more romantic theory like Romeo and Juliet.
That no matter what both people Want to be with each other, neither of them runs, or separates, or has any desire to do so.
But that they must overcome "something" to be together usually outside sources. Family, friends, life.. Etc
That both have to figure out Way to be together, this needs to be done together.

Idk where this is coming from, it's just my thoughts/opinion.. Lol

If TF exists I have not met him.
I do feel like I met a SM, or karma..
Because it's been a soul searching relationship, but we just can't make it work..
In astrology wise with this SM, we have just about everything in composite, dw in synastry, asteroid, vertex connections in some way or another, even some mirroring aspects. Even cross sun/mercury and asc in cross signs.
I wouldn't want this to be a TF... Lol

I have Pluto at 0libra
Jupiter at 28sag opps Venus

I also have a t square with
Pluto/Venus/Jupiter with Pluto being the apex.

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Of course you can! I'm happy to have your thoughts.

I do respectfully disagree, but with several notes.

What you're envisioning as Twinflame is very much what I had done myself since a very young age. I think to overcompensate for this powerful need, I went to the opposite extreme becoming an island; pathologically self-sufficient and independent.

While I've changed my view of Twinflames, I must say there's SOMETHING to your concept of them. I certainly used to feel it a very potent romantic thing.

Now I feel that it's more along the journey. And there's not really a word for it - with bothers me. While Twinflame is the destination, there's a LOT along the way. Sadly, not many of us get to live our lives with our Twin. Most will reunite in the 11th hour. Some will have the chance to do more sooner.

Addressing the R&J issue, as it's a common rebuttal. I don't disagree that they seem to embody the Twinflame connexion: but it's not because of their intense infatuation. It's because they changed the status quo. Their tragic deaths rippled throughout their society, bringing to everyone's gruesome attention, the detrimental effect the feuding of these two powerful dynasties had wrought.

THAT's right in line with what Twinflames can, and often, do.

If romantic love is the means by which mammals are drawn to maintain a procreative agenda, then it stands to reason that it may also be the 'glue' for an earthly agenda.

Follow me.

The currently biggest raging battle on the subject is whether or not Twinflames have karma. Now I'll concur THEY may not have special karma. But. I'm undecided - unclear - whether or not they have SEPARATE karma - and some of it special.

The leading theory goes that Graduate souls have no karma. They volunteered to come on back and raise consciousness. Okay, that's well and good. And a bit simple. Oversimplified, I think.

Who chooses? Do we just 'raise our hands'? Names drawn from a hat? Drafted? Assigned?

Nobody knows that. We just know, when we get here, we have a LOT to do. Once we realise it, that is.

Something with which I do agree is the basic purpose. But let's get back to soulmates for minute. They're unfairly placed low on the totem pole. 'Just soulmates.' One of my dearest soulmates taught me the value of friendship again, so I never again uttered the phrase 'just friends'.

Soulmates have karma. Some have special karma. They're here to balance or correct something, be it familial, in a certain soul family or interest group, or circle of friends. So several are tasked with that intention. It's their responsibility to balance things. To resolve past problems. To heal and evolve.

Twinflames do this on a large, global, earthly scale. Humanity's greatest failings. Abuse, war, violence, poverty, greed, egocentricism, racism, sexism - anything that throws the earthly energies out of whack.

THAT's what we're here to do.

Now, does romantic love work as a binding force to keep us on task? Sure, I can see how that jives. After all, you can fall so completely in love with someone else and decide, 'eh. I'll get to it.' Most of us aren't THAT evolved straight outta the box.

It keeps soulmates connected to each other to do their work, so why not Twinflames?

That's why we need more stringent methods of identification. So that we know who are here as soulmates to correct a specific sort of karma, and those who are, frankly, saddled with an enormous responsibility.

Now, as I'd said before, I think there's a special type of soulmate which Twinflames most certainly can have, which are crucial to their development. It's going to take a LOT to be able to do what must be done, so it follows a certain logic there's going to be many along the way, and some of a VERY intense nature which prepare us.

I've heard this referred to as the Near Twin phenomenon. I'm not sure about that one yet. Maybe. But that lacks something.

It may be, in part, that because my Twinflame and I embody Scorpio themes together that we'd both have to deal with those both separately and together. He's suffered death of a parent at a young age (as did my lover, same age) and the inability to break from familial bonds (same). I suffered childhood sexual abuse, and deep family corruption. Narcissism in both our families. We're both schizoid with potent fears of intimacy as a result. We battle betrayal, jealousies, mistrust, paranoia, and fears of abandonment. We're snarky, penetrating, geniuses with uncanny perception. Natural investigators and intense creatives. We write many of the same themes.

Together, when we DO come together, we'll have a collective experience of everything we could need - some of it his, some of it mine. He's the biochemist, I'm the forensic psychologist. He's the stand up comedian, I'm the therapist - which all comics need. 😉

In our strange oneness, we're an equally bizarre complement.

And one day, when the time's right, we'll have what we need between us to succeed in doing our part - cleaning up whatever portion of those Scorpio themes which are ours.

So, I wait, and continue developing myself in the meanwhile. Part of that essential development is healing from that abuse with my soulmates - and helping them do the same. Wholeness. Completion.

We have to be ready for our Twinflame when the time comes. These wonderful, passionate love relationships with our soulmates - especially that for which there's just currently no term - which allow us to heal our special karmas and evolve together - get us there.

posted January 29, 2014 05:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW I am currently a little annoyed with my subconsciousness.
Before going to sleep, I had been asking my subconsciousnes or Higher Self to show me in a dream, who my twinflame, if something like that exists, and I was dreaming of Jude Law.
*sighs* I once was asking the same thing before falling asleep, many years ago, and he was then appearing in my dream as well.
Did I mention this really ****** me off?
He should be staying out of my dreams, clearly!

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Okay, clearly I need to email you privately. I haven't even asked that question, but things have just COME to me.

I told you, by the way, he used to double for him, right? Especially in AI? That just gets me, because it's a weird 'link' between you and he.

posted January 29, 2014 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I used to be quite compelled or even driven with the thoughts of twinflames, too. (is someone? Are they not?)

In a way I have stopped caring (too much). Still some analytical curiosity.
However in some way it seems just like a label to me, or being used as a label to find out the "best possible option", maybe even giving a certain guaranteee.

I have found that life doesn`t quite work that way.

Even though I think there is something to that concept, it *can* get just a lifeless brain-born concept, if the feeling is missing.

What to me personally is more important now, is the emotional experience in the Here nad Now. And I honestly do not care as much anymore if someone is a karmic mate, soulmate, crush, twinflame, twinray, twinsoul, whatever.

It is what it is.

Though having said that I heartily believe that not all sets of twinflames are the same and with the same "mission" on earth. Sometimes a mission might just be romantic love and procreation.
In the end there is nothing greater than love. And it is a wonderful thing to experience that this is enough. Just love.

I guess my own emotional development and experience keeps me too much on my toes to worry about these concepts anymore. lol
For some reason that compulsiion to know just disappeared after meeting Mr Sag.
I am not saying he is my twinflame or soulmate, actually you probably haven ever heard me saying anyone was my twinflame.

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EXACTLY, Ceri.

I feel it's too often being used as a justification in some way. 'So what if I'm cheating - they're my Twin!'

Augh. NO.

A Twinflame shouldn't DO that. Soulmates can put each other through all manner of hell, but a Twinflame is going to be wracked with an awful guilt if they seek to cause abuse due to selfishness.

Anyway.

You and I are on a path to being human; to accepting emotion and knowing love. Just like your Sag (and mine, hah) and my Hatter have done. The record-scratch moment. The now-let's-wipe-the-board-and-see-what-we-missed reevaluation.

Maybe I had to start at this zero point in order to be 'reborn' into love. And, let's face it - THIS much Scorpio? Sex. But that 3H MOON-URA is pretty tight. If I was born an emotional being, it's unknown to me; all of my earliest friends - age 8, 10, 12 - know me as the Vulcan I've known myself to be.

So when Fate came along ... I thought I was possessed. FEELINGS? Of an almost human nature?

But I digress.

These days, it's my damned analytical mind that wants names and figures to put along with ideas. That VIR JUP wants to quantify EVERYTHING.

And, no, I KNOW life doesn't work like that.

And I don't need justifications.

I've enough of a background in both science and paranormal research that I know these things I've experienced with him are BIZARRE. And recorded, too. Filed. Evidence. Proof. Not just Fate, either; my Hatter, too, in lesser ways.

So - it is what it is.

IIWII.

Don't you love the weird symmetry of it?

I I W I I

It's become a mantra for me. 'It is what it is.' I tell myself to accept, to have faith that - no, I can't know everything now. The time will come. Patience.

I'm learning that, too.

So while I can't label things like what I've got with my Hatter, I know they're bushels full of pieces to my big puzzle. I know it all provides so much and means more to both of us than we can really articulate.

Sometimes ... that's enough.

The Grand Plan ... that'll come.

I married a companion, and I'm raising another, and I'm loving something I can't quite define, or place. And that bothers me - but I accept it.

And my Twinflame is living his life, and we ping off of each other when we start feeling too apart during those weird periods. And that's fine for now. It's what I'm doing, too.

And, in our way, we're all loving each other the best ways in which we know how.

posted January 29, 2014 06:40 PM            

Thank you so much for sharing that with me. I'm sure it gets you in the same place it does me. It's a locked-down place. An I-don't-go-there-if-I-can-help-it place. I know it's not easy. I've got to say, it's an honour you're 'here'.

So let me keep it simple.

In terms of type of connexion, I think the sorts of linkages can determine whether we're looking at a more karmic bond or one that is also influencing our direction in this life. Not that there's not option C: all of the above! But as to why ... I think that modern physics better explains that. (And your ponderance re: several lives. Indeed, simultaneity is a key aspect of Einstein's special relativity, and combined with Schrodinger's work into the concept of eigenstates, we can see why that's possible.)

Now, I've seen instances where Twinflames and soulmates have bounced off of and 'just missed' each other for decades. It's the content which MAY shed some light.

That soulmate which I can't presently define left the city of my birth which he'd moved to and lived in for over a decade - the month OF my birth. A couple of weeks later, in fact.

... Wow.

We found out, incidentally, while reading lines for a project (how we met). Our characters come upon the startling revelation that they were raised just half an hour away from each other, and yet never met. He pauses, as if suddenly struck, and says, 'where are you from, off-chance?' I tell him. His eyes widen. I blink. 'Why?' He fumbles out the name of the city a half-hour driving distance from where I was born.

We just stated at each other for several seconds! Then, given the nature of the story, he blurts, 'I'm not going to attempt to kill you, I promise!' Which was both apropos and interjected just enough levity.

But ... we were still taken WAY aback.

My Twinflame was instead born in the hospital where my uncle - my favourite uncle - passed. We've never lived in the same city, or state (though he wants to retire to the city of my birth). I did move closer. He joked, 'you wanted to see what it was like being west of me.' Yeah. That was it. 😉

But my husband and I listened to the same Sting album, at the same time, despite being 7 years apart. Makes sense for a 24-year-old man coming off heartbreak; not so much a 17-year-old girl who just 'resonates to the songs' (me). But I've never 'been my age'.

Forces were diligently at work to bring my parents together. Everything from shared acquaintances to crossing paths, to my gran throwing up her hands and exclaiming, 'why can't you date a nice boy like [my father]?' Who was, uh, a hard rocker. Not a 'nice boy' in the least! 😉

It'd take them years to finally meet, and when they did, my father was floored. My mother, hardly foreign to this attention, being a beautiful heiress, shot his romantic overture down, on the floor of his father's showroom (oh, ouch) on the grounds of being presently involved. But. She did give him her number. He, Mr lunar Leo, solar Aquarian wasn't about to take scraps! He pouted all the way to Los Angeles, did American Bandstand, came back 3 years later and asked her out for the Fourth of July.

The Triple Leo lady said, 'yes'. They've now been married 40 years. 😊

Well, if THAT's not a bit of an act to follow! 😜

They've done a lot both separately and together. But they also brought me here - so, to THAT end, some may be here TO bring in Twinflames. Who knows?

But if he's your Twin, think back on what you've learnt together over time. Think on what it is you're doing - or can do - to raise consciousness. To heal something, some part of our human wound, our aching earthliness.

I like to think astrology can help us better see our themes and purposes. Especially true of Twins.

But what of soulmates?

The gentleman whom I 'just missed', with whom I share bizarre synchronicities, but isn't my Twin?

He and I seem to be laying groundwork for the eventual work with my Twin. Healing and discovering and loving. Some of that involving quantum theories and the nature of our universe.

So more on that.

The concept of 'living many lives at once' is quantum simultaneity, or more simply, hyperdimensionality. Whether this is soul fragmentation or merely existing across many eigenstates remains to be known. While we can only observe one primarily, (and that alone does impact it!) we're ALWAYS existing across MANY.

And who knows what's what there?

I married my Twin elsewhere. That knowledge was VERY hard to accept when it came to me. Even more so for the means by which it arrived: my mother. 'You were SO happy!' she said, knowing that here, I wasn't. At all.

I have personal proof that I also have observed several eigenstates with my Twin, and one or two with the gentleman I mentioned above. That's probably the one in which we married. I was also inexplicably gaining and losing 6 pounds within less than 24 hours. My mother was convinced that I was experiencing a pregnancy and miscarriage - in that other eigenstate. Equally inexplicably, my Twin became despairing, anxious, and hit a terrible depression. He had to break from me. He felt married to me, and 'we hadn't even slept together yet!' I gave him his space, and later broke away myself.

I think when we become aware of our quantum nature, our primary eigenstate can get a bit weird. I often dream of the other eigenstates and what I'm doing. A lot of my work centres around this concept.

As to Twinflames, the Graduate theory is simple.

Graduate souls are said to be those who've completed the cycle and returned to Earth in order to raise consciousness and Do Something.

That's all we know.

Why we volunteer, or if we're selected, or what? Who knows. But the soul with whom we've marched down the cosmic aisle - that's the one. And it's only one to a customer Up There, apparently. (Or, for all we know.) Not the case for me here.

Though, I'll admit - I've seen my name with his surname more than a few times. I know it's MY name.

Yeah, that bugs me.

Just about everything I changed to my married name has been slowly and systematically changed back. Computer errors. Glitches. 'Never got the paperwork.' 'It never came through.' Only the social security office remains - and I recently saw something there that STILL had my maiden name, even though I changed it the year I got married (2010). Engaged on my Twin's birthday.

... Ugh.

It can feel very much like that film, The Adjustment Bureau, without (spoiler alert!) the ease of just 'proving your love'. Lovely faerie-tale, but not quite how it works, I fear. Bit more complicated than that.

So ... you make do. You soldier on.

I'm learning how to love. A lot. Fully. Eagerly. Him, too. I know deep down he needs and wants it. No matter how he can't let himself be loved. He values that I do.

It's a force of the universe, to quote one of my favourite TV characters. Those two mean a lot to us. Anyway. Unchangeable. Simply is.

Heh.

I I W I I.

posted January 29, 2014 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:
Graduate souls is just another euphemism for saying that some people are supposedly higher beings or more evolved than others, which is BS.

Unless you're willing to die for humanity - and don't just mean it, you'd actually follow through - then you're full of sh*t. If anybody was oh-so-evolved, they wouldn't have incarnated here again in the first place.

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I never said that and nor do I think that way.
That is YOUR misconception that a graduate soul is somehow "higher of better" than others.

Graduate simply means that they've experienced it all, several different types of (relationship) roles in various lifetimes and have now left the earth plane.
But they have come back now to help in raising the vibration of the planet.

Graduate souls aren't better or higher at all, they just serve a different purpose.
Everyone has a purpose and they're all unique.

posted January 29, 2014 07:32 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
After reading ceridwen's article, twinflames sound like full souls going through spiritual growth to me.

But I don't exactly see it based on some of the stories here.

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Sometimes spiritual growth happens peeling potatoes or talking with a homeless person.

The mundane path is no less important than more obviously expressed spiritual endeavors, though it may be harder for others to see.

posted January 29, 2014 07:49 PM              

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
I never said that and nor do I think that way.
That is YOUR misconception that a graduate soul is somehow "higher of better" than others.

Graduate simply means that they've experienced it all, several different types of (relationship) roles in various lifetimes and have now left the earth plane.
But they have come back now to help in raising the vibration of the planet.

Graduate souls aren't better or higher at all, they just serve a different purpose.
Everyone has a purpose and they're all unique.

But then again, that's just what I resonate with, I am not impying that others believe the same, I'm just sharing my views on it.

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Oh, don't play that projection bullsh*t with me. By the very act of using the term "graduate" it implies a higher level of knowledge and enlightenment as compared to everybody else.

And like I said, if you aren't willing to be crucified - literally - for other people or a cause you believe in, then odds are you are NO graduate soul and you reincarnated again to learn the stuff you need to learn. JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

posted January 29, 2014 07:54 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

You misunderstand me. I never said they CANNOT have a romantic relationship. And they're almost never from the same actual blood.

Are you reticent to share why you've determined he's your Twinflame? I'm simply saying your description is more akin to my experience and research into soulmates. But I'm certainly open to changing my view with the introduction of other stronger, distinct information.

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posted January 29, 2014 08:09 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Thanks. And, yes, it does. Having your DSC conjunct the Galactic Centre inclines me to think you've got a tremendous potential there; a 'built-in' drive or ability for deeply transformative relationships.

I'd keep those aspects tight, too. It'd be wonderful to know how it goes when someone / some thing does hit your DSC-GC. I can imagine at least a minor quake and some distant lightning. 😉

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Well I suspect there might be one, but I'm not sure since the TOB isn't accurate. The estimated TOB resulted in an early Sagittarius asc so there's a possibility. This is one relationship I could say, is deeply transformative.

posted January 29, 2014 08:14 PM            

"So get off your ludicrous high horse, you unjustifiably smug moron."

LOL are you serious?!!!

You do realize that you are the one projecting and assuming ridiculous things about people right?
You really think you know it all despite what we've all experienced? Well reality check bro — you DON'T.
And nor are you any important than anyone else.
And I don't mean this in an insulting way at all.

We're all equal here, with purposes unique to our own soul path.
And again, I'm not saying that anyone is "better" than the other.
I hope you can get it this time.

No one knows the "total absolute truth", everyone has their own take on things based off their personal experiences and what resonates with them, and that's perfectly fine!
It doesn't make one opinion any better or justifyable than the next one.
Everyone is entitled to their own, and that doesn't mean you have to go around abusing and insulting others who don't share the same views as you do.

If you have nothing else to contribute to this thread but spread negativity and bully others, then why even reply at all? What's the point really? I just don't get it?

I've seen you do this countless times in sevels threads – and I don't know if you do it just cause you get a kick out of it and its fun for you, or maybe you're just bored and have nothing better to do.
But in any case, its just not cool at all and no one appreciates it.

Just because you can hide behind a screen name and conceal your identity, doesn't mean you can get away with bullying and attacking anyone and everyone.
This isn't high school or middle school.
So please grow up, learn some manners, and find something better and positive to do.

You know what, this is getting very out of hand.
I joined this thread so I could share my views and read others experiences and perhaps try and comprehend whatever it is that I'm going through more... but all its doing is just opening a can of worms.

If people on here aren't willing to cooperate like mature adults and insult others for expressing their personal opinions, then its not even worth continuing this discussion anymore.
Why even bother if some people are so intolerant and narrow in their ways of thinking?

We're all well aware of our own truth and experiences, thank you very much.
We don't need you to tell us what is and what isn't.

I have had it with your immature silly attitude.

posted January 29, 2014 08:33 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I missed this, Claire. Mea culpa. And I know how elitist smartphones can be. And I appreciate that you tend to dig my blatherings. Really.

SN-VX on ASC exact. Ohhhh, boy. That's one of those basic pings for me. I see that, I pay close attention.

The fact you broke your MO, and 'were cast off' and refuse to return rings very loudly and clearly to me. It's a sentiment I know well.

I'd be interested to know the details of your story, all the same. The fact it's initiated you into greater soul development at least shows it's moving in the right direction. But damn if it doesn't take a lot of blood, sweat and tears to arrive at that point.

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No worries. I always thought if I born a masochist drag queen my name would be Mea Culpa. Let me know what 'roids I should use pertaining to this topic and I will see what is hitting this synastry aspect. Since I am on the dumbphone again & unable to make paragraphs, I will give just one prominent example of weirdness. My 7H 11 degree Pisces Moon is too wide to conjunct his NN/AVX conjunct my DSC. However, his NN evolution is my instinctual nature. In this second go round, he has learned to respect my moon in contrast to disdain he had for it 20 years ago. Of course, life has pushed me towards my Cappy NN; so there is mutual respect in regard to our individual evolutions. I should change my tag line to "EVOLVE OR DIE." :-P

posted January 29, 2014 10:38 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Of course you can! I'm happy to have your thoughts.

I do respectfully disagree, but with several notes.

What you're envisioning as Twinflame is very much what I had done myself since a very young age. I think to overcompensate for this powerful need, I went to the opposite extreme becoming an island; pathologically self-sufficient and independent.

While I've changed my view of Twinflames, I must say there's SOMETHING to your concept of them. I certainly used to feel it a very potent romantic thing.

Now I feel that it's more along the journey. And there's not really a word for it - with bothers me. While Twinflame is the destination, there's a LOT along the way. Sadly, not many of us get to live our lives with our Twin. Most will reunite in the 11th hour. Some will have the chance to do more sooner.

Addressing the R&J issue, as it's a common rebuttal. I don't disagree that they seem to embody the Twinflame connexion: but it's not because of their intense infatuation. It's because they changed the status quo. Their tragic deaths rippled throughout their society, bringing to everyone's gruesome attention, the detrimental effect the feuding of these two powerful dynasties had wrought.

THAT's right in line with what Twinflames can, and often, do.

If romantic love is the means by which mammals are drawn to maintain a procreative agenda, then it stands to reason that it may also be the 'glue' for an earthly agenda.

Follow me.

The currently biggest raging battle on the subject is whether or not Twinflames have karma. Now I'll concur THEY may not have special karma. But. I'm undecided - unclear - whether or not they have SEPARATE karma - and some of it special.

The leading theory goes that Graduate souls have no karma. They volunteered to come on back and raise consciousness. Okay, that's well and good. And a bit simple. Oversimplified, I think.

Who chooses? Do we just 'raise our hands'? Names drawn from a hat? Drafted? Assigned?

Nobody knows that. We just know, when we get here, we have a LOT to do. Once we realise it, that is.

Something with which I do agree is the basic purpose. But let's get back to soulmates for minute. They're unfairly placed low on the totem pole. 'Just soulmates.' One of my dearest soulmates taught me the value of friendship again, so I never again uttered the phrase 'just friends'.

Soulmates have karma. Some have special karma. They're here to balance or correct something, be it familial, in a certain soul family or interest group, or circle of friends. So several are tasked with that intention. It's their responsibility to balance things. To resolve past problems. To heal and evolve.

Twinflames do this on a large, global, earthly scale. Humanity's greatest failings. Abuse, war, violence, poverty, greed, egocentricism, racism, sexism - anything that throws the earthly energies out of whack.

THAT's what we're here to do.

Now, does romantic love work as a binding force to keep us on task? Sure, I can see how that jives. After all, you can fall so completely in love with someone else and decide, 'eh. I'll get to it.' Most of us aren't THAT evolved straight outta the box.

It keeps soulmates connected to each other to do their work, so why not Twinflames?

That's why we need more stringent methods of identification. So that we know who are here as soulmates to correct a specific sort of karma, and those who are, frankly, saddled with an enormous responsibility.

Now, as I'd said before, I think there's a special type of soulmate which Twinflames most certainly can have, which are crucial to their development. It's going to take a LOT to be able to do what must be done, so it follows a certain logic there's going to be many along the way, and some of a VERY intense nature which prepare us.

I've heard this referred to as the Near Twin phenomenon. I'm not sure about that one yet. Maybe. But that lacks something.

It may be, in part, that because my Twinflame and I embody Scorpio themes together that we'd both have to deal with those both separately and together. He's suffered death of a parent at a young age (as did my lover, same age) and the inability to break from familial bonds (same). I suffered childhood sexual abuse, and deep family corruption. Narcissism in both our families. We're both schizoid with potent fears of intimacy as a result. We battle betrayal, jealousies, mistrust, paranoia, and fears of abandonment. We're snarky, penetrating, geniuses with uncanny perception. Natural investigators and intense creatives. We write many of the same themes.

Together, when we DO come together, we'll have a collective experience of everything we could need - some of it his, some of it mine. He's the biochemist, I'm the forensic psychologist. He's the stand up comedian, I'm the therapist - which all comics need. 😉

In our strange oneness, we're an equally bizarre complement.

And one day, when the time's right, we'll have what we need between us to succeed in doing our part - cleaning up whatever portion of those Scorpio themes which are ours.

So, I wait, and continue developing myself in the meanwhile. Part of that essential development is healing from that abuse with my soulmates - and helping them do the same. Wholeness. Completion.

We have to be ready for our Twinflame when the time comes. These wonderful, passionate love relationships with our soulmates - especially that for which there's just currently no term - which allow us to heal our special karmas and evolve together - get us there.

Rather, that's how I see it; how I've come to know it over time.

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For the most part, I agree.. The only part that just doesn't feel right for me, is that they may not be together.
My thinking of the TF concept is getting together against the odds.. What ever it is that stands between them (maybe that's their karma) that the powerful of meeting your TF would make you stand up and fight to be together... (Together)
That's how it helps change the world..
An example (from another era)
Long time ago, (even stiff today, in parts if the world)
When 2 people of different nationality got together, they have to fight the world against acceptance.
Some people might say, hey this is just to hard, I don't want to fight family, neighbors... Etc...

In a TF relationship, they stay together, fighting the racism together... Proving how they stand by each other and how the negative world can't break them...
Doing this opens up the doors, for future couples... Then opens up the world to accepting interracial couples..
That in my view is an example of a TF type of relationship.

posted January 29, 2014 11:16 PM            

From what I've gathered here "Graduates" are those "completed" souls who return to help the world. These would probably have already united with their TFs from what I can gather, in a last life or couple of lives before "graduation".

posted January 29, 2014 11:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
I hear you but I don't think every pair is ready for a Final relationship. They may meet onc e or many times in a specific life but our main mission is not "worked" as a couole until the time is right.

From what I've gatheref here "Graduates" are thise "completed" souls who return to help the wirld. These would probably have already united with their TFs from what I can gather, in a last life or couple of lived before "graduation".

Without insulting the obvious intelligence here I don't feel TF relationships are reserved for Graduates, but help each other graduate before their next venture whatever it may be...? And I feel the relationship is strong enough.that a significant percentage of it
Can take place in a bilocal manner.

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Actually I remember somewhere that soulmates (from another soul group) are the final step in graduation, but I honestly am not so sure myself so I can't say.
Just speaking from what I heard of this other TF couple.

But I do personally believe that graduate souls are a one soul being, meaning they are a single soul and when they return as volunteers, they split into two forms (masc/fem) as two beings who share a soul.

Lol sorry if I am confusing anyone.

posted January 29, 2014 11:51 PM            

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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:
Graduate souls is just another euphemism for saying that some people are supposedly higher beings or more evolved than others, which is BS.

Unless you're willing to die for humanity - and don't just mean it, you'd actually follow through - then you're full of sh*t. If anybody was oh-so-evolved, they wouldn't have incarnated here again in the first place.

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You, dear, have just nailed the crux of my second series. Well done.

Indeed, it's about bringing down to a concrete sense, the emotions and experience involved with having to accept THAT.

But, once again, that's why it's a series. You certainly don't get there overnight. Still a damned brilliant concept. Naturally, stumbled upon by such a network of Twinflames, various soulmates, and others 'on the network'. Bunch of crazy creatives.

That's the fascinating part. The evolution. Growing from 'regular' human beings to those who've encountered such a destiny and must go beyond their human desires and experience to achieve it.

posted January 30, 2014 12:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
I din't necessarily think "understanding" is totally necessaryor always desirable, lest we second guess ourselves into dissecting something that cannot be learned but only experienced...

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You know what, you're right.
I have to agree with you...

Only those who have experienced it will understand.
And those who have different purposes don't have to.
It'd be of no use trying to get them to see where we're coming from either, because they will just think its all baloney...

posted January 30, 2014 01:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Now that I think about it, it's closer to 40 years. I just dabbled in early life, then let things sit for decades, so don't know that I have a wealth of information beyond the improved/practiced intuition and common-sense wisdom that comes from advancing age.

If this man is my twin flame, I'm not impressed with the concept of twin flames Here is my skeptic's story:

I first met him 20+ years ago when we took a college class on a specialized topic (which involves my avocation). We didn't interact much in the class, and didn't meet again until last year. Over the years his name would come up in relation to my avocation and I would sometimes refer people to him. We've since discovered we were in meetings/conferences together at least 2 or 3 times in the last few years without recognizing each other.

In late spring, I attended a luncheon related to my avocation: I was late, and took the only remaining seat. The gentleman to my left turned to shake my hand and introduce himself, and I immediately recognized him as the person from my class long ago. At the same time, I felt an intense peace and calmness flowing from and between our hands (he continued to hold my hand for a long time). It seems strange to describe it as electric, given how peaceful and calming it was, but that's the only word that comes to mind. [I remember telling friends afterward I wasn't sure if I was feeling his energy or our energy combined; I think now it is/was our energy combined].

He claims to have no conscious memory of holding on to my hand for a long time (and touching me a lot during the rest of the afternoon), of immediately telling me intimate details about his recent relationship history, or of saying to me "our meeting again is no accident; we need to keep in touch."

It took another 2 or 3 months, but we started dating and have been together (living separately) since. During that period, I didn't see him at all and we rarely communicated, but whenever I thought of him, I would be overcome with this spontaneous pulsing/electrical shock kind of feeling involving my solar plexus. It was kinda sorta but not exclusively sexual in nature. It still happens occasionally.

This is, without a doubt, the most unusual relationship I've been involved in, mostly because (1) we are so alike, but also so different - the differences are sometimes extremely difficult to deal with, and yet (2) I have an abiding sense of it will be all right; this is how it's meant to be; there is no need to worry; whatever happens in the relationship happens in the relationship. [That is a new experience for me; usually I'm very anxious about the future in relationships]. He seems to feel the same way. We have also both talked about how we are confident that we will always maintain some kind of relationship/friendship.

As for the purpose/mission thing, yes, I have that feeling, but I tend to have that feeling with all my relationships, platonic or romantic/sexual, so I don't see that as anything unique, although with him the feeling is more intense in a subtle way, if that makes any sense. I tend to suspect the mission has to do with dealing with (1) cultural/racial/ancestral differences and issues, and (2) seeing each other toward or through the last years of life.

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Hang on, Delilah - you didn't even mention the Heiros Gamos, which means it couldn't have been amazing.

Okay, that's it. I'm done. I'm not gonna go risk life and limb unless there's incredible, mind-blowing sex involved.

I jest. 😉 But that should be clear enough that I appreciate your scepticism, AND yet, that sounds like Twinflames to me. There were a few key features that jumped out at me. The fact that you're likely taking on things related to ancestry and racial differences and issues is wonderful.

Your relationship sounds about what I'd expect. You're 'close by'; you're 'connected'. But it's an unconventional, unique style of relating.

I can only hope I and mine will be so fortunate. I sense we will. That we'll always be connected - somehow, in some way.

Would you share your composite? I've got some theories, and I'd love to see if yours is either in line, or if I've got some stuff to learn there which this one will teach me.

posted January 30, 2014 01:41 AM            

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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
I've been on this website since 2009 and gosh knows I read my share on this sort of thing.
I've seen members with new composites and synastries every month because they are convinced that they have met their twinflame. I must admit, I have doubted the validity of it. Not because I'm not a romantic, quite the opposite, but because I feel that we are here on Earth to balance karma and with that in mind, we are going to go through a lot of up and down relationships, that seem very wonderful, but turn out bad or sad. Or maybe some that don't really turn out at all. I do believe in soul mates and I know I have encountered and lived with several.

The notion of twinflame was something I was perfectly prepared to go on living the rest of my life ignoring but I noticed a funny thing happening to me. The further I got into my own spiritual studies and working on myself, the more I felt drawn to this "other" person who I knew would if not complete the story, at least shed light on the answers that I can't fully know alone.
I used to dream of him. I have my whole life long, and his face was always kept from me, but I could see certain features.

To keep this from turning into a giant book, I wanted to add that someone from the past has come back into my life. It was not expected and quite disruptive. The past relationship we did have was very intense, thought rather short. By my standards. After the break up, he moved away immediately and I never heard a word about him until recently. We found out that our lives have taken a similar journey to such and extent that it really bends the mind to wrap around it. I don't want to jump on a band wagon, so I cannot for certain say this person IS my twinflame, but I would like to participate in finding out, along with you other fine people who I am sure are in the same boat.

We have NN in 12th in composite. Much on the axis.

*27 degrees in Sag, in synastry.

*2 degree libra in composite.

This relationship has been painful in that the feeling of things missed out on, and can never be fulfilled (like having children) seems to come up every so often. We go from joy to pain. I'm not sure how things will end. If feel they can never end.

Thanks for listening.

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Very interesting.

I like how you are keeping a cool head through it all. Not rushing in, not creating scenarios or fantasies. Being grounded. I think that is how I would like to approach the possibility of twinflames for myself.