posted February 28, 2014 03:55 AM            

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Originally posted by micole maree:
Ceri,

I think we've ALL hit moments/days/weeks/months where we think we're completely deluded! This stuff is just too WEIRD!!!!

But what strikes me is the consistency and close similarity, if not sameness, between our experiences.

Just one of us? Yeah, maybe deluded. I know I've had that thought about myself. But in this forum, this thread in one section of one of many astrology forums on the net, there are a group of us experiencing the same things.

Take heart. We're not only living in this and with this, we're delving into precisely what "this" is. It's real.

Michelle

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Oh man, I myself have had countless doubts and insecurities cropping up many times in the past on whatever "this" is...

But in the end that knowing is just too strong to be ignored...

Especially when you see here how many others are having similar experiences...
You get the sense that there may be a force beyond all of which we know, at work here...Could be destiny perhaps.

Its funny though, everytime I've a certain doubt come up, I would be faced time and time again with signs/synchronicities that validate the connection, no matter how much I tried to argue with myself that I was being irrational/delusional.

Some things you just have to surrender to and accept, instead of resist, no matter how painful and confusing it may be at times...
Eventually, you WILL know, and the answers will be clear as day.

posted February 28, 2014 04:08 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Possibly..my ex and I have our NN's conjunct. "Cusp" and my NN's are in the same sign Libra but too far to be conjunct. That would make my Ex and "Cusp's" NN's in the same sign but not conjunct.

What's REALLY interesting is that (and now it TOTALLY makes sense) my Ex and Cusp have practically all the same personal planet placements except venus and mars...bear with me here..
Comparison:
Sun: Ex- Aquarius/ Cusp- Cap but a couple degrees from Aquarius cusp which brings out strong Aquarian qualities.
Moon: both have Saggie
Mercury: both have Capricorn

Differences:
Venus: Ex- aquarius/ Cusp- Pisces
Mars: Ex- Cancer/ Cusp- Capricorn

Now I have venus in Gemini so you can see the trine between my Ex and my venus. However, I have my venus in the 12th and Cusp has venus in Pisces so you can see the compatibility there as well.

What really gets me is the mars aspects: they are opposite between my Ex and Cusp. I had a lot of incompatibility with my Ex's cancer mars because I have mars in Leo and I desperately longed for more passion and aggression. Here comes along Cusp with his mars exalted in Cap..and my Leo mars...Holy Hannah!!! Well, you get the picture...My Ex and Cusp have extremely similar placements, except the mars which what was so desperately lacking in my marriage...and now...well mars shows up.

So again...linking this concept to my Ex leading me to my TF? I don't know. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I still love my husband and we had a very close (brother/sister/ best friend like) bond...just minus the passion. Then comes in Cusp ...with the passion on top of all that familiarity and deep bond.

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Thanks for replying, tgem. I totally get lost in this thread and forget to get back to some of you.

Interesting. I DID wonder if you might have the conjunct and flipped nodes as well, given the similarities between our stories. But I'm probably using too wide an orb anyway, given that I keep hearing 2 degrees. They're at 3.

Then again, there is somebody who keeps chiming in on these threads, saying basically that maybe we need to loosen up on these tight and exact orbs. I can't remember her name but at the time, I thought, hmm. That did resonate with me. Because it seems reasonable to think that the energy of a conjunction (or any other aspect) doesn't cut abruptly off at the 2 degree mark as though a guillotine is resting there, waiting; it might fade out but still have some noticeable impact. That's just my take on it. I'm clear that I'm the newbie here and I have SO much to learn.

At the time, I was curious, as I said, because of the similarity of our stories. But it's probably just a distraction from the main inquiry here. Still, who knows? There might be some really interesting interplay between a third-party "helper" that points to something significant about Twin Flames.

I just don't know.

posted February 28, 2014 04:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Oh man, I myself have had countless doubts and insecurities cropping up many times in the past on whatever "this" is...

But in the end that knowing is just too strong to be ignored...

Especially when you see here how many others are having similar experiences...
You get the sense that there may be a force beyond all of which we know, at work here...Could be destiny perhaps.

Its funny though, everytime I've a certain doubt come up, I would be faced time and time again with signs/synchronicities that validate the connection, no matter how much I tried to argue with myself that I was being irrational/delusional.

Some things you just have to surrender to and accept, instead of resist, no matter how painful and confusing it may be at times...
Eventually, you WILL know, and the answers will be clear as day.

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Lavender,

THAT IS IT! EXACTLY!

I too, have questioned so deeply, so often. Wondered if this truly is simply an obsession or some strangely intense infatuation. And as soon as I would question, there it is again. Something, or several somethings, usually synchronicities, that say, "Nope. Sorry, but this thing is real".

Okay. So we take "real" and try find the map for the experience...

SO with you, Lavender.

Michelle

posted February 28, 2014 04:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes. Vega is a fixed star around 15 Capricorn (and interestingly roughly opposed Sirius).

You would look for significant planets, angles or asteroids cojunct it within one degree approximately.

Personally I would look especially for angles, luminaries, nodal axis, Saturn, (Pluto), love asteroids Amor, Valentine, binding objects Union, Boda, (Juno), soulmate asteroids on this point.

And if you find one of these exactly conjunct there, look if it is aspected tightly by the other soulmate-partner (if you find Eros ther, look if Eros aspects Psyche), karmic, identity or love asteroids/planets.

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Okay great, thank you, Ceri.

I can do some of this work even without his ASC, Moon degree or angle placements.

posted February 28, 2014 04:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Michelle,

at times I am puzzled by my own synastry as well.

I always want to find the conjunctions/ oppositions of soulmate pairings, and they are simply not there. Still the experiences are.

Experience is more important.

It might mean my concept is wrong, or needs to be modified.

It is annoying without Moon or ASC I agree with that. But we should be able to see a little something.

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Again Ceri, thank you.

You're right. Experience IS more important.

Words of wisdom.

posted February 28, 2014 04:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
This is too interesting lol.
The 4 of us now have a Lilith–Priapus conjunction in our synastries!

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posted February 28, 2014 04:31 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Something I'm thinking to add:

While I agree with Ceri that a false twin is merely that - a false Twinflame, there are a few intriguing concepts which could confuse or lead us to presume or assess erroneously.

1) As I've said earlier, I think there's a missing link I'm calling [b]Guardian Soul until further notice.

That is:

• a very high-level Soulmate which tends to not only accompany Graduate Soul incarnates, but is crucial in their development.

One or two may be most prominent, even if several are encountered. Indeed, one may feel akin to a Twinflame at times, and would easily be so mistaken, were it not for the presence of one who supersedes certain characteristics or levels of experience.

For example: one with whom someone is telepathic, has active dreamstate / astral involvement, shares Soulmate / Twinflame astrological markers.

In the case of a Guardian versus a Twinflame, however, I believe the key is 'more' or 'constant'. Telepathy may be variable; the markers may be lesser; the dream / astral presence may be inconsistent, etc.

And:

2) The Near Twin.

This is one of those newer theories I'm evaluating. A NT would be, quite literally, a sort of twin. In this case, one with whom one was created; it's said the Near Twins are those souls who are created at the same instant / ejected from the Source - however you best view it.

While it's a new concept, it may have some merit. Indeed, there are those soul siblings which feel very much like twins of a kind - whilst not being a Twinflame.

But the above is simply going to take more research. Intriguing, though. [/B]

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Indigo,

I was searching for your post on Guardian Souls earlier this afternoon, before you posted this. Do you have any idea where it is in this very long thread? (I think I started searching at about page 27, thinking it was some pages back from where I initially posted.)

posted February 28, 2014 04:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
This is SO apt, and so much how I amf eeling right now. You have no idea.

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Hugs, Ceri. This can be a very rough ride at times.

posted February 28, 2014 04:46 AM            

SYNASTRY:

COMPOSITE:

DRACONIC:

posted February 28, 2014 04:47 AM            

NATAL(TROPICAL)-DRACONIC:

posted February 28, 2014 04:51 AM            

Nothing in life
Holds more power than your smile
I can't describe it,
Even harder to define
Your breath, it soothes me
Your smile, it moves me
Gotta move in, closer to you now.

Nothing can come between us
Nothing can separate us
Nothing can ever break us apart
Well, it only shows
That nothing can keep us from getting close.

In a crowded room
Feels like being miles apart
My eyes on you
Reflects what's deep inside my heart
Your breath, it soothes me
Your smile, it moves me
Gotta move in, closer to you now.

Nothing can come between us
Nothing can separate us
Nothing can ever break us apart
Well, it only shows
That nothing can keep us from getting close.

Your breath, it soothes me
Your smile, it moves me
Gotta move in, closer to you now...

Nothing can come between us
Nothing can separate us
Nothing can ever break us apart
Nothing can come between us!
Nothing can separate us!
Nothing can ever break us apart!

posted February 28, 2014 07:19 AM            

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Originally posted by micole maree:
Which of the four Liliths are you all using?

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posted February 28, 2014 07:21 AM            

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Originally posted by felicity:
Thanks for replying. This thing is haunting me for the past several months. At first I thought it was just a powerful infatuation/obsession. So I reflected how am I going to resolve what's happening to me, I'm always been interested in studying astrology since I was 12 (though I'm no expert) but I know the basics. So I thought that astrology would give me the answers, then I came across the term 'twin flames'. When I read the signs of a twin flame connection, I was flabbergasted. Then a sudden realization came to me. As I looked back, I noticed some striking similarities in our life story, even the timelines are close to each other. (I even discovered that our grandfathers were batchmates in the same medical school). My efforts in forgetting him were in vain, as I keep seeing signs related to him whenever I go. Well, I'm posting this to be able to shed some light because I think I'm going crazy (which is unbecoming of me) and I just to have to let this thing out.

P.S. I managed to get his birth time as I'm following his mom on twitter. I was backtracking her tweets til I saw that he posted his birth time, weird. Could you take a look at our charts?

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posted February 28, 2014 07:26 AM            

coming on here, my gaze fell onto only one line:

"nothing can ever break us apart"

posted February 28, 2014 07:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
This is SO apt, and so much how I amf eeling right now. You have no idea.

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posted February 28, 2014 07:55 AM            

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Originally posted by micole maree:
Again Ceri, thank you.

You're right. Experience IS more important.

Words of wisdom.

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posted February 28, 2014 08:30 AM              

does any of you and your TF have kaali on fixed stars?

posted February 28, 2014 08:38 AM            

So we went to Monterey for our anniversary even though my husband knew I was going to leave him. Curiously, there was both a sense of gravity and enjoyment to the time together. In spite of our troubled marriage, we had had some happy times together and had always loved traveling together.

And yet, Jace went with us as well. Well, he went with me. I was so conscious of this new "presence". He was with me all the time, like a shadow. I wasn't thinking about him EVERY moment but the thoughts and awareness were pretty frequent. Again, I questioned myself. Is this obsession? Am I just infatuated? But the singular weirdnesses of the experiences around him just defy any categories.

I admit. I fell into the trap of thinking this must be "meant to be" and held the unfolding experiences as some kind of cosmic set-up for an off-the-charts romance. (Not that that isn't possible, but I now STRONGLY believe that romance and a stunningly spiritual/sexual connection are only a facet of what this whole Twin Flame experience is. But that isn't how I was seeing this then.) I was definitely caught up in what I thought was an unfolding fairy tale. This just had to work out. How could it not with Spirit setting up all of these events, starting twenty years earlier?

Two things of note happened on this trip. I had become highly attuned to signs and synchronicities since they were showing up all around me. And the reading that I was "led" to was showing me how to be aware of Divine guidance, in whatever form it showed up. (I was reading many of Doreen Virtue's books at the time. Along with "Journey of Souls"; synchronicities, coincidences, ESP, deja vu, etc are mentioned in that book as well.)

Jace's real name is not common. You hear it, but not all that often. I happened to be browsing in Anthropologie and saw a display of attractive mugs. I no sooner had the mental nudge to glance around for a mug with Jace's initial on it than I heard a woman's voice call out "Jace?" right next to me. At the VERY instant he came to mind. Her husband answered her. And he was the ONLY guy in the store at the time. My instant reaction was a kind of internal reverberation as I heard softly, the confirmation: "Yes, this is a sign." I wandered out of the store, just shaken inside.

While we were driving around on our last evening there, we found the Carmel Mission and ambled around the garden outside of the church. The door was opened and a signpost was placed there to hold it ajat. It was nearly time for a special service. We looked at each other and both felt strongly drawn to enter the church and sit down.

My husband and I had both been raised Catholic but had left the Church as teenagers and had never attended Mass together. It didn't escape either of us that our first Mass together was on the eve of the end of our marriage. This church just sang with energy. Roughly a hundred and fifty to two hundred years of faith echoed off of the walls and into my being. I could feel the the spirit of joy and sadness and gratitude and fear that had all been felt there before and it filled me.

I don't remember what the service was called but it was all choral, and all in Latin. There were sets of verses that were repeated several times followed by short periods of silence. Something about the energy of the Mission itself and the Latin verses reverberating off the walls there felt both so deeply spiritual and nurturing and yet like every human passion all caged up in tradition. All of a sudden, while I was singing these words, I started to break down. I started sobbing. No control at all. Just sadness, sadness, sadness. It felt like the tears came from the deepest part of my soul, a soul that had been torn apart, tossed into the flames of a living hell in life and was emerging from those flames as something completely reshaped. I didn't know what triggered this. I only felt and cried. Once again, I was feeling the effects of a heart broken wide open by my Twin Flame.

Oddly, nobody around me seemed to care that I was sobbing. I sure was self-conscious. My husband was actually quite tender in that moment and put his arm around me, asking what was wrong. I could only say, "I'm just so sad. So, so sad. I'm sorry, I can't help this." He just allowed me to cry.

We left the Mission, went and got some dinner and then walked down to Ocean Beach in Carmel in the dark and listened to the surf hitting the shore, covered by a diamond-studded starlit blanket above. We hugged and talked, more connected than we'd been in a very long time. I told him I had to leave him, that it was time for me to find a love who was able to love me in the way that I loved, that I had had enough pain. I spoke calmly, sure of myself and my direction. The energy of Jace was hovering nearby while I said those words even though I knew Jace himself wasn't a sure thing. (I mean, look at the circumstances!) I know he responded to how sure I was, how at peace, because he didn't react or get offended; he actually heard me. (Or very likely, was stepping carefully in hopes that he could yet persuade me stay.) He said he didn't think he could bear to let me go. (Cancer Moon)

When we left the next day, the reality was settling in upon him and he was very withdrawn, sometimes sad, once a bit angry and accusing. But we returned home knowing that home would never be the same again. And as I continued to ask Spirit HOW this was all going to happen, especially financially, I kept hearing, "Trust. Just trust". And so I did.

(To be continued)

posted February 28, 2014 08:58 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
In a sense, this is what makes me doubt the connection between us. I haven't had the astro-traveling experiences you guys have (at least I don't think I have.). I have I dreamed about him? Absolutely. Have I felt the longing, pulling, heart chakra opening, the pain...and the. Trying to distinguish are these my feelings or his? I know I have awakened- that's a definite. I don't think he has, but I don't know. I know I've had the clairaudience experiences and the synchronicities...but as far as having these extreme spiritual experiences with him? Not sure that I have? But yet, it seems the astrological markers are so clear? That's why I tend to post multiple charts...validation maybe? I don't know...I'm frustrated...I just don't know that my experiences can compare to you all. Then again, could it be because he hasn't awakened so the the experience won't be that strongly felt? Or is it the fact that I have I have an unaspected moon in the 12th which is classic for not beig in touch with their feelings (so maybe I was in denial/or not recognizing things when they did happen back when him and I had a "relationship" per se.). Yeah...now I'm pretty much feeling obsessed, crazy and delusional....

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tgem,

You're not obsessed, crazy or delusional. None of us are. Right now, we're attempting to find an astrological foundation for these experiences and we're dredging up ALL of the events, emotions, and experiences. This is INTENSE. At least it is for me. It sounds like it is for you as well.

As far as the astro-travel or whatever it really is, from what I've read, it is common to have astral experiences and to not remember them. Which begs the question: How do we KNOW that then? (LOL. Can't answer that one. I can only go by what I've experienced and what I've read.)

I've had three astral experiences with Jace, THAT I KNOW OF. I've described two of them here. The second two happened when I was out of my marriage. The third one was the one where I had the least recall, and yet I knew I had visited him again. I was awakened by the chime of a text message hitting a cell phone "next to me" in the room. I awakened in my own bed but I knew I had heard that cell phone "there". How do I absolutely know this? That internal "knowing" for one. And because: 1. My phone had a different sound 2. My daughter wasn't with me that week so it wasn't her phone 3. I lived in such a quiet home and location, even with another rental on the property, that there simply was no other possible source of that chime. I simply remember awakening to that chime, in my own bed as I opened my eyes, unable to move for a few seconds (this is apparently the norm when the astral body rejoins the physical body), knowing I had been "there" and the rational mind came to the conclusion that I just listed above. All very quickly, within a handful of seconds.

My point is this: You may very well be astral traveling and simply not have conscious memory of it. I STRONGLY believe I have traveled many, many more times than I remember. I am not sure how many of these trips involved Jace.

Be gentle with yourself. We're doing some hard work here and dredging up a lot of "stuff".

Michelle

posted February 28, 2014 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
just wondering.

does any of you and your TF have kaali on fixed stars?

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I have Kaali on Spica and Arcturus (1°), conjunct my Venus (1°)

posted February 28, 2014 09:21 AM            

I'll add to this comment as I look up what aspects I can find.

I do see a Kaali T-square in synastry. His Regulus at 29 deg Leo square my Jupiter at 29 deg Scorpio opposed my Kaali at 29 Taurus.

Another aspect using the positions above. His Regulus at 29 deg Leo sextile Karma at 27.22 Libra square my Jupiter at 29 deg Scorpio opposed my Kaali at 29 deg Taurus square Regulus again. (I need to look up this aspect; I don't know what it's called.)

No conjunctions found. So far.

Jace has Kaali at 4.27 Leo conjunct Regulus at 5.05 conjuct my name asteroid. (Have to pull the degree but it's there.)

posted February 28, 2014 09:36 AM            

I found a DW Priapus-Lilith (h13) conjuncton at 0.00 degrees Aries!!! In helio!

Argh. Finally, SOMETHING.